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NormanI suspect that you are entirely correct.Steve, my electrical engineer friend, made sure I had a good working scope, to apply to the problem.Bedini, and I, agreed that the solution involves using several concepts together, to make practical self runners, to harvest energy.Much like, all the ways in mechanics, that we have to achieve certain results, not all of them at an advantage, yet in the final outcome, it can be a smooth running machine.
Here we are splitting up time, and using select parts of that time.It seems, as fond as I am for things mechanical, that this is where computers really shine.Thet can cut time into very tiny chunks, very precisely, with attention to some other moving variable, like frequency, with ease, opening and closing switches, at speeds beyond human perception.The grunt work in the trenches, is getting switches that can stand the speed stress, to be reliable.All of us are dealing with discrete components, as this is all new prototyping. It is the only way I know, of debugging stuff. Look for the smoke, or the dud component.Hector brought up a very important point. Components don't measure out the same even if they have the same numbers. My experience with manufacturers found about 17% of custom chips are junk right from the boards you cut them out from, out of the plant. Then with the rest, you have to test, and debug them, ending up with a small set that actually work in your application.This seems to happen across the industry. These things are difficult to make, and a lot of people are involved in trying to improve the product.That doesn't mean the dross, or less than perfect components are garbage, it just means they are a bit wonky, and are sold retail, to guys like us. We just have to measure everything, in any way we can.Keep up your excellent work Norman. Mankind, is the beneficiary.Cheers Warren
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On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 at 8:47 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:
Warren! The problem that we experienced with the strange extraction of anomalous energy from the aether was in our unsuccessful attempts at make the circuits self power. Tom Bearden, personally, in a face to face conversation stated that it was not possible. Sparky Sweet in his testimony said it was not possible to interface the anomaly with conventional power. Your idea as to making hot water has merit, for we powered DC motors and powered light bulbs (incandescent) with the output. Yes! You can dissipate the energy via a load resistor.
You mentioned Tickling it into life, Ultra high Q in a series resonant circuit is the answer.
https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-6/q-and-bandwidth-resonant-circuit/
At resonance the series resonant circuit appears purely resistive. Below resonance it looks capacitive. Above resonance it appears inductive.
We found that you have to extract this energy just to the right side of the resonance peak which is ever so slightly on the inductive side of the peak but in the still in the lossless region of the peak! A good scope will allow you to establish this relationship in your circuit! It is possible to achieve Q values up to 200.
On 10/3/2018 9:33 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
Norman
This is quite an interesting, and I must say, exciting tale. I am just a little sad to see that such good work still sits sputtering, and fizzing, after all these years. The patents have expired, yet these promising ideas just sit there, waiting for some blond haired prince, on a white stallion, to come, and whisk them up.
Hmmm? How about a hoard of baby boomed, geriatric toothless gimps, giving it a try? On the surface, it seems darn easy. Could this be practical to power a hot water tank? How would one go about, doing that? Sure, it is a big leap from a tiny transformer. What if you used a great big mother of a beastly transformer? How would one tickle it into life? I suppose we are talking about a couple of kw, just guessing? OK, 220 volts 2 KW , let's say. How would you tackle such a problem? Cheers Warren
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On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 at 6:41 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
http://www.rexresearch.com/1hodomra/05-5-20.htm Joel & I became great friends with Greg and it was one of his Mini MRAs that tested 256X over unity and was submitted to Patent Office as final affidavit! Greg (RIP) was an Engineer at RCA Corp. Sven, this is the use of silver mica caps as piezo substitute!
On 10/2/2018 5:38 PM, SF [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
Hi Norman, I would like to try a Silva Mica capacitor as additional capacity to the mp oil filled capacitors around the q value increase if it is possible have already stable values over q 30. extraction about diodeplug, search I still a way the scrs later after the peak trigger, I think through the phase shift has the classic phase control a problem, I still think about a inductor after the ignition energy something later after supplies. Greetings Sven
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We substituted the planar, silver mica capacitors 680pf into the mini MRA very successfully. They mimic the piezo in an electronic circuit!
On 10/2/2018 4:27 PM, SF [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
Hi Mick, in other words Mica silver or Mica capacitors have the same effect as piezo materials, what is cog? Because I with low frequencies work do I need already capacities in uf area. Under Mica can I find what. Greetings Sven
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Sven,
Anytime one adds more capacitors Q drops as ESR increases so it works better if one can use the piezo for both functions, if possible. Many capacitors are also piezoelectric materials such as the mica and COG. Lower frequencies do not matter as much.
On 10/2/2018 12:12 PM, SF [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
Hi Mick, so I could try in addition to the caps piezo elements for this purpose to turn, there is there an increase of the q value or did you only with piezo worked?
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Hi Sven
Yes I have used the little piezo transformers and have also used disks in a tank circuit acting as the capacitance. On the transformers I was able to get the most gain by using sine waves as they like a clean signal without distortion components being of high Q at the designed frequency. Something I need to get back to in order to determine more facts.
On 10/2/2018 5:37 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
Hello Mick,
Many thanks for the hints, unfortunately I can not find distribution in Germany or I have to search again.
Have you ever included piezo elements in a reactive circuit?
regards
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Sven
Have a look here:
http://steminc.com/
http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.7567/JJAP.55.086702
On 10/1/2018 7:57 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
Hello everyone, is it possible to use resonant capacitors in the case of FR transformer in addition to switching piezo elements in parallel or do the thin elements hold over 400V?
The MRA of Norman works with a large piezo element, unfortunately I can not get something like this or I search wrong via google.
regards
Sven
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