Re: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] The Energy in Negative charge (What is Heat?)

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Great stuff Ole!

There was something called a magnetic rectifier using a vacuum tube and
magnet I have heard of but not much info yet.  I found that page about
Tesla spark gaps also, nice job the author did.

A great way for a DC HV impulse supply is mechanically interrupted DC
charged caps, hard to improve on!  A cap can also be considered a
converter between two different types of electricity as it strips out
the B field.  Also converts cold electricity back to hot.


On 7/26/2018 2:05 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Hi Mick,
>
> "Interesting I have not found patent of Teslas magnetic spark gap but
> the description and drawing are available in The inventions,
> researches and writings of Nikola Tesla by Thomas Commeford Martin. 
> There also seemed to be magnetic vacuum rectifiers build for a short
> spell but have not found much more about these interesting claimed
> devices that the occasional mutterings"
>
> The Poulsen arc was the kind of arc transmitters used until the
> invention of tubes. Here is Valdemar Poulsen's  patent (US789449)
> which use a flame and magnetism to control the arc:
> https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=US&NR=789449A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=1&date=19050509&DB=&locale=en_EP
> <https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=US&NR=789449A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=1&date=19050509&DB=&locale=en_EP#>
>
> Wikipedia article: https://wiki2.org/en/Arc_converter
> From the Wikipedia article:
>
> Duddell arc (and other early types)
>
> In the first type of arc oscillator, the AC current in the condenser
> i_0 is much smaller than the DC supply current i_1 , and the arc is
> never extinguished during an output cycle. The Duddell arc is an
> example of the first type, but the first type is not practical for RF
> transmitters.
>
> Poulsen arc
>
>     In the second type of arc oscillator, the condenser AC discharge
>     current is large enough to extinguish the arc but not large enough
>     to restart the arc in the opposite direction. This second type is
>     the Poulsen arc.
>
> Quenched spark gap
>
>     In the third type of arc oscillator, the arc extinguishes but may
>     reignite when the condenser current reverses. The third case is a
>     quenched spark gap and produces damped oscillations.
>
>
> https://www.electronics-notes.com/articles/history/spark-gap-transmitters/poulsen-arc-transmitter.php
>
> http://ethw.org/Milestones:Poulsen-Arc_Radio_Transmitter,_1902
>
> The history of Tesla's spark gaps and arcs:
> https://waveguide.blog/teslas-spark-gaps-literature-review/
> After the spark gaps and arcs came the tube era. Tesla used tubes too
> according to the story from his nephew about the ride in Tesla's
> electric car.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>
> Norm,
>
> Great stuff on the VTA.  Always found it suspicious that after the
> Scientific American released the time reversed light article that all
> slid into obscurity.  We should be using these mirrors for satellite
> communications and all sorts of other applications but no.  Seems that
> maybe wireless power is in the same boat as it should have been widely
> applied by now with all the carbide fets designed just for this
> purpose, could it be that loose coupling an off the shelf wireless
> power device might give away the candy store...
>
> I am very interested in the device you posted about for fire control. 
> Unfortunately your posts are not parsable by subject matter.  Do you
> think this application has potential for forest fires and if so what
> is required to build a prototype?  From the brief description
> available it appeared to be some sort of air pump connected to a neg
> ion source.  Do you know the size of the generator used for fuel fires
> you mentioned?  Is just a series of 15 kv diode rectified flybacks
> sufficient or are more relativistic voltages employed/required?  
> Interesting I have not found patent of Teslas magnetic spark gap but
> the description and drawing are available in The inventions,
> researches and writings of Nikola Tesla by Thomas Commeford Martin. 
> There also seemed to be magnetic vacuum rectifiers build for a short
> spell but have not found much more about these interesting claimed
> devices that the occasional mutterings.
>
> I know you also mentioned that some Tesla coils can produce this
> effect so is this a matter of timing of a rectified primary?  Need to
> get my thyratron up and online, so many chores and so much to build.
>
> ...
>

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