Re: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] The Energy in Negative charge (What is Heat?) [2 Attachments]

Database ID: 108946
2018-07-26T02:05:26-07:00
onielsen2000 <[email protected]>

← View thread

Message-ID
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>

Body

Hi Mick,

"Interesting I have not found patent of Teslas magnetic spark gap but the description and drawing are available in The inventions, researches and writings of Nikola Tesla by Thomas Commeford Martin.  There also seemed to be magnetic vacuum rectifiers build for a short spell but have not found much more about these interesting claimed devices that the occasional mutterings"

The Poulsen arc was the kind of arc transmitters used until the invention of tubes. Here is Valdemar Poulsen's  patent (US789449) which use a flame and magnetism to control the arc: https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=US&NR=789449A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=1&date=19050509&DB=&locale=en_EP https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=US&NR=789449A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=1&date=19050509&DB=&locale=en_EP#

Wikipedia article: https://wiki2.org/en/Arc_converter https://wiki2.org/en/Arc_converter
From the Wikipedia article:
 Duddell arc (and other early types) In the first type of arc oscillator, the AC current in the condenser i0 is much smaller than the DC supply current i1, and the arc is never extinguished during an output cycle. The Duddell arc is an example of the first type, but the first type is not practical for RF transmitters.
 
 Poulsen arc In the second type of arc oscillator, the condenser AC discharge current is large enough to extinguish the arc but not large enough to restart the arc in the opposite direction. This second type is the Poulsen arc. Quenched spark gap In the third type of arc oscillator, the arc extinguishes but may reignite when the condenser current reverses. The third case is a quenched spark gap and produces damped oscillations.
https://www.electronics-notes.com/articles/history/spark-gap-transmitters/poulsen-arc-transmitter.php https://www.electronics-notes.com/articles/history/spark-gap-transmitters/poulsen-arc-transmitter.php

http://ethw.org/Milestones:Poulsen-Arc_Radio_Transmitter,_1902 http://ethw.org/Milestones:Poulsen-Arc_Radio_Transmitter,_1902

The history of Tesla's spark gaps and arcs: https://waveguide.blog/teslas-spark-gaps-literature-review/ https://waveguide.blog/teslas-spark-gaps-literature-review/
After the spark gaps and arcs came the tube era. Tesla used tubes too according to the story from his nephew about the ride in Tesla's electric car.

Regards
Ole 

---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :

 Norm,
 Great stuff on the VTA.  Always found it suspicious that after the Scientific American released the time reversed light article that all slid into obscurity.  We should be using these mirrors for satellite communications and all sorts of other applications but no.  Seems that maybe wireless power is in the same boat as it should have been widely applied by now with all the carbide fets designed just for this purpose, could it be that loose coupling an off the shelf wireless power device might give away the candy store...
 I am very interested in the device you posted about for fire control.  Unfortunately your posts are not parsable by subject matter.  Do you think this application has potential for forest fires and if so what is required to build a prototype?  From the brief description available it appeared to be some sort of air pump connected to a neg ion source.  Do you know the size of the generator used for fuel fires you mentioned?  Is just a series of 15 kv diode rectified flybacks sufficient or are more relativistic voltages employed/required?   Interesting I have not found patent of Teslas magnetic spark gap but the description and drawing are available in The inventions, researches and writings of Nikola Tesla by Thomas Commeford Martin.  There also seemed to be magnetic vacuum rectifiers build for a short spell but have not found much more about these interesting claimed devices that the occasional mutterings.
 I know you also mentioned that some Tesla coils can produce this effect so is this a matter of timing of a rectified primary?  Need to get my thyratron up and online, so many chores and so much to build.

 ...

References

<[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
<[email protected]>

Headers

Return-Path <[email protected]>
X-Sender [email protected]
X-Apparently-To [email protected]
X-Received (qmail 15144 invoked by uid 102); 26 Jul 2018 09:05:28 -0000
X-Received from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.198.29.78) by m15.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2018 09:05:28 -0000
X-Received (qmail 21625 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2018 09:05:28 -0000
X-Received from unknown (HELO mta4000.groups.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.201.194.145) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2018 09:05:28 -0000
X-Original-Return-Path <[email protected]>
X-Received-SPF pass (domain of yahoogroups.com designates 74.6.129.157 as permitted sender)
X-YMailISG NJg8_V4WLDuoymjJqvpOM0PQmgZW7wGkzw0GrEEc8Ar0Tzfa s_8Y75AIE37E58dhhUOLYmOhGlKPa8SOWE1i613hm5ge0aVyo6pNtWpfBEmo rcX7ae.33BD2OrzFCEGCreicUTFIDfkQ8M5pFLwiyVTRAfKVrphM8k.ESaES RCUGl2CUBS84CsSHATLLgh0XUfK4CTN90Xr9MiVcHHrTMTViDrj2V7o2P0uE 9o9SImrZgrkYOR.Uw1ABRwGQfY8bdv3qA6zxjlsdJQMXYCgtC.U7oAK9sFsJ ak8m1U21Ce.eT8vooV.KcAHuMXsemCPAcx6Z9ZLAvCCc7pIt619yy12ZXZDq R86G9UN4y9uw0Sez6o6Hcle9T0gIWtq10BMu2ygcb5BA8H1kEc4kKvgy2yeN tbNcVvvTFSnoMdwta4f8TbasuZ3cjbpeBCSbU6Iexl7VKc.z2VkmOV5bUiAx Yp0buIPHqU_JsduCSw9Wra4pUH87J2xxPKjt5e4qA5sHya1k.wYYbEFRFsct SiVDwkzCQRkLbvFC3zzLUdNTbHI2T2O_BdAtnNjIzlhawzB.Y2fCN02PEB27 MFOT_LKJ8xbEk9MIVIdpwtsRNUUTOb.LqXeIPKMu4q_HIsdrIlkitODZARqj 5hLMsALNDGkiNCF0stR..3XGOkf6SLguZqRRDci6OPS5bmURopZOh4T78G05 dryy02rV6Wr2ffim0GZ_T1fvX2bl5s.HO6yyARY9gYCsMmUjUofXf4upFSsa PsPnvTvrNVvM_v.1ZUn93ASN_qJRGZNYgpN_1f6o0JKUARhENA.WO.0s2YGO 8ktZnSnysuPii_2jZe2GLyiZyn3QZmvaIfon85mbaYEmBcSt_7hM44.KTPVo H9O4VGtWa2kUD9arGclR.QzNO950x9fH18va6mKO53SU8GQiP0zZQDccUQnO djW3vEHgdzakTDxFCzKylPUI8vDxPIjjeQyDqksC4AfjGuZUmGyrD99fcwdf pXkj58KGLdB0yMkSL3e3UTeuRSljf2xcBE0e2oBGDk7RIf7WvI3C4Z5PwB3M L1c1vfR2ktZpseQRNVb5SYRuc7lG_TsACS.Zb645MmmSsNhY2PzNrZRA6hPN kMLpsDByR3MftRC9BFCbEdb_akkF3nxoMsQDn52KVx9R1RCXc8EQjkDJfPSF ICXyBYWqA3WCcP4yN8_pxzDtRA.2QR7xxYp3royVpvMRo2sHK1Z1N4AyHkva mkO5kjXJP5XAbyy4x9QxHRIxYKQVsZ5F_3UK6IeHazIDfXJMM8yUkHsjt3lw aqzGRWuBAfFW1sOTN2HNPbo.s4pNKnvuCyh9xsNxiDCiezkBdNCINZ4-
Authentication-Results mta4000.groups.mail.bf1.yahoo.com from=yahoogroups.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig); from=yahoogroups.com; dkim=permerror (bad sig)
X-Received from 127.0.0.1 (EHLO sonic325-31.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com) (74.6.129.157) by mta4000.groups.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTPS; Thu, 26 Jul 2018 09:05:28 +0000
X-Received from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic325.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 26 Jul 2018 09:05:28 +0000
Date Thu, 26 Jul 2018 02:05:26 -0700
X-Received from [127.0.0.1] by gapi17.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2018 09:05:26 -0000
To [email protected]
X-Original-Return-Path [email protected]
X-Original-From [email protected]
X-Mailer Yahoo Groups Message Poster
References <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
X-Yahoo-Newman-Property groups-compose
Message-ID <[email protected]>
In-Reply-To <[email protected]>
MIME-Version 1.0
Content-Type multipart/alternative; boundary="9nlWnTS9ocNmxdhsK3FKVLWiM6a5jwOaA8HvrLV"
X-Originating-IP 85.81.17.214
X-Yahoo-Post-IP 85.81.17.214
Reply-To [email protected]
Subject Re: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] The Energy in Negative charge (What is Heat?) [2 Attachments]
X-Yahoo-Group-Post member; u=115023864; y=8XZ18_scQyMSkb5e5bpEIjbpPi_K4uwhGUj5taTcDPbHLXv7bMjC
X-Yahoo-Profile onielsen2000
From [email protected]