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Norm,
Great stuff on the VTA. Always found it suspicious that after the
Scientific American released the time reversed light article that all
slid into obscurity. We should be using these mirrors for satellite
communications and all sorts of other applications but no. Seems that
maybe wireless power is in the same boat as it should have been widely
applied by now with all the carbide fets designed just for this purpose,
could it be that loose coupling an off the shelf wireless power device
might give away the candy store...
I am very interested in the device you posted about for fire control.
Unfortunately your posts are not parsable by subject matter. Do you
think this application has potential for forest fires and if so what is
required to build a prototype? From the brief description available it
appeared to be some sort of air pump connected to a neg ion source. Do
you know the size of the generator used for fuel fires you mentioned?
Is just a series of 15 kv diode rectified flybacks sufficient or are
more relativistic voltages employed/required? Interesting I have not
found patent of Teslas magnetic spark gap but the description and
drawing are available in The inventions, researches and writings of
Nikola Tesla by Thomas Commeford Martin. There also seemed to be
magnetic vacuum rectifiers build for a short spell but have not found
much more about these interesting claimed devices that the occasional
mutterings.
I know you also mentioned that some Tesla coils can produce this effect
so is this a matter of timing of a rectified primary? Need to get my
thyratron up and online, so many chores and so much to build.
On 7/23/2018 12:48 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] The Energy in Negative charge (What is Heat?)
> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 11:08:28 -0500
> From: Norman Wootan <[email protected]>
> To: Toby Grotz <[email protected]>, Bert Pool
> <[email protected]>
> CC: Bob Paddock <[email protected]>, joel mcclain
> <[email protected]>, Jon Gentry <[email protected]>, Lane
> Wootan <[email protected]>, Mbking42 <[email protected]>, Phil
> Rembold <[email protected]>, Jeane Manning <[email protected]>
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> Toby! Back in the early 80s, I was designing some PM motors and became
> friends with the Production Manager at General Magnetics (Southland
> Corp) in Dallas for they manufactured speaker magnets of all size and
> shapes. My frequent visits with him, I saw the mixing, molding, firing
> and magnetizing of the then Barium Ferite magnets. EPA mandated the
> end of the use of barium in the manufacturing process with a strontium
> substitute. The barium magnets became available from Brazil and China.
> Back when I visited with Don Martin and got the dimensions of Sparky's
> magnets I found them at Edmund Scientific so bought the exact same
> Sweet magnets. I was scrapping sown all the main frame (IBM)
> computers in the DFW area and found that the early versions of the
> big hard drives had the barium magnets which Joel and I used in the
> MRA (Mini Sweet).
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> The MRA magnets were barium ferrite taken from these linear servos in
> the read write heads.
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> After talking to Bearden regarding the conversion of cold electrical
> output making a self runner (Sweet said not possible) I realized that
> much more had to be learned about this aspect of research. I know you
> were involved to some extent.
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> See: Sweet attachments in his own words!
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> Before I got all bogged down with my Hydrogen Production Process and
> building Proof of concept prototypes for GAZPROM, Russia, I had
> formulated a real neat Barium, Titanium dioxide, Ferrite magnet to be
> made by a Chinese vendor. I never got the prototype magnets built.
> Over the years with contact with Gunderson, Sweet VTA Yahoo site, I
> accumulated practically all there is to know about the Sweet Project.
> I guess Bearden's Final, Final, Final Secret is still yet to be
> realized! Lol
> Norm
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> On 7/23/2018 8:15 AM, Toby Grotz wrote:
>> Hello all,
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>> Lots of stuff here. I have been busy so need to back and review all.
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>> I did see a reference to barium ferrite. Sparky sweet said the
>> magnets he used had to be barium ferrite. Most ceramic magnets of
>> the size he was using are strontium ferrite. To tell the difference
>> I used, per his instructions, an ohm meter. One conducts, the other
>> doesn’t. I forget which way it is. Somewhere in my collection of
>> boxes I think I have one of his magnets. I’m still unpackingand
>> organizing after many, many moves so it will be awhile before I find it.
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>> BTW, attached is Sweet circuit and plot from a magnet he had used.
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>> Toby
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>>> On Jul 22, 2018, at 7:20 AM, Norman Wootan <[email protected]
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
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>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] The Energy in Negative charge (What is Heat?)
>>> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 22:39:51 -0700
>>> From: Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
>>> Reply-To: [email protected]
>>> To: [email protected]
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>>>
>>> Interesting theory Norm,
>>>
>>> I am sure you have thought far more about Hydrogen than most other
>>> people, I read your patent.
>>>
>>> Protium and molecular, not sure where the electron difference is but
>>> there seems to be the potential of a hole difference or at least a
>>> neutron missing. Very interesting what happens with a Coleman
>>> battery in that it emits neutrons. As no one really seems to know
>>> what a hole is, some say it's protons but I think proton electricity
>>> is a different animal.
>>>
>>> Tesla always said it was a gas and lighter than Hydrogen so maybe
>>> the mono form is one of the light Aether gasses since it has no
>>> neutron and would only need a proton to gather an electron. If it
>>> shows up from out of nowhere that is a key to dimensional tuning.
>>>
>>> It's either coming from the (ZP) aether well or earth well so we do
>>> agree on the origin. Also have a theory about rain forming in a
>>> similar way. When we have these weather systems starting on the
>>> west cost and dumping billions of gallons all across the country
>>> more than the clouds could ever hold. As the high and lower clouds
>>> commingle I thing they convert nitrogen to hydrogen and oxygen.
>>>
>>> I don't think I have seen an influence machine work properly without
>>> a ground connection so they are in fact pumps.
>>>
>>> OK I have been wondering about all the todo of rectifying and then
>>> fractioning the HV to a coil vs straight up static charge from a
>>> serious influence machine for the neutral spike.
>>>
>>> The Felici device sounds like something to build someday. Also
>>> interesting what NASA is doing with the helium to hold H in the
>>> Protium state.
>>>
>>> Bill Lyne had the monoatomic furnace which is a great idea too. I
>>> think there are some deep truths in William Lynes writings even if
>>> some of the whys and wherefores may be misinterpreted.
>>>
>>> Dielectric stress in piezo crytals is another field I intend to
>>> pursue as far as attempting electrets and anisotropic alignments and
>>> restructuring. I think Barrium Ferrite might be piezoelectric,
>>> don't recall right now, but either way it seems to be a very good
>>> insulator and something that can fraction electrons from the B
>>> field. I imagine you played with this stuff quite a bit during your
>>> MRA design and likely noticed some interesting aspects of the
>>> material.
>>>
>>> There was a guy who was using magnetic tape rings and tape heads for
>>> a OU lenz free generator. He had a single sine wave freq and
>>> claimed he could loop generating electricity in this way as the tape
>>> passing by the heads each putting out about 9 volts did not seem to
>>> get loaded down. Probably just another tuned high impedance
>>> system. Find it interesting as mag tape is mostly barium ferrite
>>> particles.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/20/2018 10:50 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>>>>
>>>> Remember Mick, You have been saying Differential? Well, here is
>>>> what is happening which agrees with Hal Puthoff paper on the
>>>> spontaneous formation of hydrogen from space background from free
>>>> protons. Please review Irving Langmuir
>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Langmuir> Atomic
>>>> Hydrogen. Here is my theory as to how the 3000watts of HVDC is
>>>> created in a 30 atm. atmosphere of .9999 pure hydrogen gas. In the
>>>> Lanfmuir torch a high voltage charge breaks the H2 bond creating
>>>> monatomic hydrogen (atoms). Same with the Felici Generator, the
>>>> operating gas is Atomic Hydrogen. According to Hal Puthoff, if a
>>>> hydrogen atom looses an electron it is immediately replenished by
>>>> the Zero Point space background. The Felici Generator is a zero
>>>> Point Energy Generator or PUMP. I had an interesting discussion
>>>> with Ken (RIP) Shoulders at a New Energy Symposium in Denver. I
>>>> asked him what type of power supply he used in charging his HVDC
>>>> capacitor banks for the Charged Cluster experiments. His reply was
>>>> an Electrostatic Influence Machine (Holtz Machine). He said that
>>>> if you apply a potential of lets say 100,000 Volts across a
>>>> capacitor it will charge because you have stressed the dielectric
>>>> (dielectric displacement). Interesting answer to say the least.
>>>> The charged capacitors will do work. Same with the Felici
>>>> Generator for the 3,000 watt output will do work drawing the
>>>> energy from the space background. See! Mick, I had to answer my
>>>> own question for nobody thinks about the perplexing problems. Ha!
>>>> Ha! Norm
>>>>
>>>> https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ja02208a003
>>>>
>>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_hydrogen_welding
>>>>
>>>> On 7/20/2018 11:13 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>>>>>
>>>>> Well, well, well... certainly not from inside the device!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/20/2018 8:12 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>>>>>> http://www.webring.org/l/rd?ring=teslaring;id=1;url=http%3A%2F%2Fu2%2Elege%2Enet%2Fnewebmasters%2Ecom__freeenergy%2Fexternal_links_from_theverylastpageoftheinternet%2Ecom%2Fhighvoltage%2FHVgenerator%2FHVgenerator%2Ehtm
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>>>>>> Speaking of Hydrogen, gas with one proton and one electron /
>>>>>> atom, where does the electrons come from in the Felici HV
>>>>>> Electrostatic Generator?? I have issued this challenge before
>>>>>> with no comments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/20/2018 9:37 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Going back to a subject not fully understood. What is Heat?
>>>>>>> Which has more energy, Holes or Electrons? Hot surface = holes
>>>>>>> due to missing electrons vs cold surface= packing of electrons
>>>>>>> until all holes are filled (absolute zero conditions) BTW,
>>>>>>> absolute zero conditions, there is no Browning Motion for there
>>>>>>> are no holes for electrons to move in the atomic lattice. See:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.aps.org/publications/apsnews/199606/achieve.cfm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallic_hydrogen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am working with the ground return so there is the extra energy
>>>>>>> not just from the additional in the coil collapse but from the
>>>>>>> neutral spike Norm is on to. It is elusive because it requires
>>>>>>> a solid negative pulse for that huge power return strike just
>>>>>>> like lighting. With positive lightening there is no return
>>>>>>> strike. The return mucks up everything silicon so no wonder it
>>>>>>> has been completely engineered around. It's difficult to get
>>>>>>> solid negative with high voltage as the oscillations provide as
>>>>>>> you know the counter field so the proper neg polarity to input
>>>>>>> of a coil doesn't cut it but is a good start. This is why Tesla
>>>>>>> was using magnetic to fraction out the negative traveling wave
>>>>>>> which is what he referred to as radiant. I am sure certain
>>>>>>> materials also contribute to a more pure charge one way or the
>>>>>>> other just like with static charges. We just have to learn to
>>>>>>> use the proper materials in our coils for the expected outcomes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://wxbrad.com/positive-lightning-why-its-so-dangerous/
>>>>>>> <http://wxbrad.com/positive-lightning-why-its-so-dangerous/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you think about this for a moment, I believe you will
>>>>>>> understand the concentration of negative charge (cold) creating
>>>>>>> the huge amounts of ice & hail in the negative thunderstorm.
>>>>>>> Moray is interested in the positive lighting producing the
>>>>>>> sprite events over the storms as photographed by the ISIS Space
>>>>>>> Station. (interaction of the Hot positive charge with the Cold
>>>>>>> Negative ionosphere.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *What is Heat ?*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Norman L. Wootan*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Battle Creek Farms*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *22825 FM709N*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Hubbard, TX 76648*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *(214)907-0010
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *[email protected]*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is Heat #2
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For about 10 years I have been studying the effects of
>>>>>>> heating and cooling associated with the phase change of
>>>>>>> liquids with the hope of building a simple generator of
>>>>>>> electrical power around the phenomenon. The reason for this
>>>>>>> interest is based on the theory that energy can be extracted
>>>>>>> from the ambient background via thermal differentials. My
>>>>>>> line of thinking really took off back when I experimented
>>>>>>> with the all too familiar Peltier junction devices found in
>>>>>>> electronic cooling devices. Would you believe that most
>>>>>>> people do not understand how these devices move thermal
>>>>>>> energy through a current flow across a semiconductor
>>>>>>> junction. Historically we find that German physicist,
>>>>>>> Thomas Seebeck back in 1820 observed that when heat was
>>>>>>> applied to a junction of copper and steel wire that
>>>>>>> electrical energy resulted. Later in 1834 Jean Peltier
>>>>>>> discovered that when a direct current was applied to two
>>>>>>> dissimilar metals the junction got hot or cold. It was not
>>>>>>> until 1838 that Emil Lenz clearly showed the importance of
>>>>>>> both Seebeck and Peltier s discoveries by placing a drop of
>>>>>>> water on the junction of dissimilar metals which froze then
>>>>>>> melted when the polarity of the direct current was
>>>>>>> reversed. These discoveries remained dormant for over 100
>>>>>>> years because of the unavailability of semiconductor
>>>>>>> materials which could provide the wide temperature
>>>>>>> differentials. In the 1930 s semiconductor materials became
>>>>>>> available which revived the electric cooling principles. In
>>>>>>> the 1960 s many companies began building spot cooling
>>>>>>> devices and refrigerators based on these effects using a
>>>>>>> junction material of bismuth-telluride. Today more advanced
>>>>>>> materials are used with the basic parameters of being a pore
>>>>>>> thermal conductor but being an excellent electrical
>>>>>>> conductor. The dissimilar materials must provide a high
>>>>>>> coefficient of voltage temperature relationship. The first
>>>>>>> Peltier devices that I experimented with back about 10 years
>>>>>>> ago were built by Marlow Industries here in Dallas. With a
>>>>>>> small temperature differential across the device a weak
>>>>>>> current with an attendant voltage was developed. Increasing
>>>>>>> the differential provided a proportional increase in current
>>>>>>> and voltage. About 6 years ago I posted a chart of the
>>>>>>> wattage generated from two different size Peltier chips on
>>>>>>> the KeelyNet BBS. My curiosity was based on the puzzle of
>>>>>>> how electron flow could move thermal energy across the
>>>>>>> junctions and how electrical energy was produced by moving
>>>>>>> thermal energy across the junction. This is a directly
>>>>>>> reversible situation based on polarity.
>>>>>>> Now let us look at a very familiar parallel process used in
>>>>>>> refrigeration, cooling and heating devices employing phase
>>>>>>> change material such as water and refrigerants. We have
>>>>>>> always been led to believe that evaporating water provided
>>>>>>> cooling effects which is a mechanical process. By the same
>>>>>>> mechanical process we are provided heating effects by the
>>>>>>> condensation of a gas back to a liquid phase change. Would
>>>>>>> you believe that any material that undergoes a phase change
>>>>>>> provides an attendant electrical effect. Back in 1840
>>>>>>> Armstrong invented an electrostatic generator based on
>>>>>>> escaping steam through insulated nozzles which provided one
>>>>>>> of the most powerful devices of this type ever built.
>>>>>>> Popular belief was that this was a frictional process with
>>>>>>> the electrical output resulting from the steam friction
>>>>>>> passing through the nozzles. After reading an old (1920 s)
>>>>>>> Thermodynamics in Chemistry text book I realized that the
>>>>>>> phase change of materials was an electrical phenomenon and
>>>>>>> not purely mechanical. The atoms of the material lose or
>>>>>>> gain electrons in the process which accounts for the
>>>>>>> discrepancy in the energy equation when a material
>>>>>>> transitions between phases. More energy is present after
>>>>>>> the phase change back to the lower form or atomic state. The
>>>>>>> text book stated that this phenomenon could not be
>>>>>>> explained. When Jerry and I attended a Conference hosted by
>>>>>>> Hal Puthoff down in Austin back about 6 years ago a
>>>>>>> physicist from Austria presented a paper on the phase change
>>>>>>> of water and the attendant electrical phenomenon which is
>>>>>>> totally not understood by modern science. Now my suspicions
>>>>>>> were confirmed that phase changes of materials are an
>>>>>>> electrostatic phenomenon, which leads us to the fundamental
>>>>>>> question of, What is heat? We were told in the school
>>>>>>> that heat is the presence of energy and cool is the absence
>>>>>>> of energy. What is the form of this energy? Let us look at
>>>>>>> a very simple example of heating which may explain this
>>>>>>> process. When sunlight strikes an absorbing surface it is
>>>>>>> heated because electrons in the material are converted to
>>>>>>> photons which are emitted in the infrared band of light
>>>>>>> leaving the material in a net positive state or hot. The
>>>>>>> more electrons a material looses the hotter it becomes. Now
>>>>>>> the inverse situation is explored by evaporating some water
>>>>>>> from the surface of a material which leaves the surface in a
>>>>>>> net negative state or cold. Heat or cold is based on the
>>>>>>> ion relationship in the material. When we apply a flame
>>>>>>> (ionizing) to a material we cause the emission of photons
>>>>>>> which is basically stripping away electrons from the atomic
>>>>>>> structure causing a gross net positive situation to occur.
>>>>>>> Now we are getting a picture as to how an electric current
>>>>>>> across the Peltier junction can transport thermal energy
>>>>>>> (ions). Since the energy is in the form of presence or
>>>>>>> absence of electrons then it is a simple explanation as to
>>>>>>> how the process works. All phase change processes work the
>>>>>>> same way basically via ion transport and are not mechanical
>>>>>>> processes which we were taught. Everything in chemistry is
>>>>>>> an electrical or electrostatic process at the atomic level
>>>>>>> based on the ionized state of the atoms involved.
>>>>>>> At a Vanguard Science Roundtable discussion several years ago
>>>>>>> we talked about the ion wind method of fire fighting in
>>>>>>> which ionized air will extinguish a flame because of the
>>>>>>> cooling effects. Now we see Patents issued based on
>>>>>>> negative ion spraying of a surface causing it to rapidly
>>>>>>> cool because it becomes net negative charged. This is a
>>>>>>> very efficient method of air conditioning because an ion
>>>>>>> generator operates at very high voltages with very little
>>>>>>> current involved. It is possible to develop this ion
>>>>>>> transport (thermal energy) to provide direct electrical
>>>>>>> output from very subtle temperature differentials. Remember
>>>>>>> that this is a direct reversible process where a thermal
>>>>>>> differential will cause a development of current and voltage
>>>>>>> as in the Peltier device. I hope that this dialog will
>>>>>>> provide some food for thought out there on the KeelyNet.
>>>>>>> Please provide some feedback on this very interesting line
>>>>>>> of experimentation. Norm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW, when the Patent Office started researching "Super
>>>>>>> Conductivity" they ran right into Tesla's work with the idea of
>>>>>>> using the Linde, liquid air process to provide a super
>>>>>>> conductive Tesla Coil primary. Tesla understood the power of a
>>>>>>> "Cold Sink" with electron densities of a very high order!
>>>>>>> "Hmmmmn"!
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>>>>>>> **
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