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Hi Norm:
I have a few of these that were in the ice chests and such. You mention that some are coolers and others are generators. Can you elaborate on what the differences are? For someone out in the rough, a solar panel is a dead give away you are there. A black surface in the same area would be hard to notice if you were not really looking. This tech perks my interest for LV generation.
thay
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On Mon, 7/9/18, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] General info!
To: [email protected]
Date: Monday, July 9, 2018, 2:26 PM
Warren, I put together a one square ft. laminated
panel that had
100 Peltier chips that proved the concept and yes,
they do produce
10X more output per square meter of collector surface
over the
photovoltaic collectors with just the differential of
100 degrees
F. It would take a pilot program funded to make sheets
of these
junctions. Dollars $$$$. Purchasing the Peltiers
from Alibaba,
China is the lowest prices I have found for the
Generator chips.
(bulk buy). BTW! They do make both chips,
refrigeration and
generator versions. Norm
On 7/8/2018 12:36 PM,
Warren Keillor
[email protected]
[EVGRAY] wrote:
Norman
If
we can
make test units, it would be good.
Cheers
Warren
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from Yahoo Mail on Android
On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 at 11:43 AM,
Norman Wootan
[email protected]
[EVGRAY]
<[email protected]>
wrote:
I am searching my files as we
write
looking for Peltier tables of
output. If
sheets of bonded junctions
would be made,
this approach has 10X energy
output over
the photovoltaic approach per
square ft.
of space. Uses only temp
differential
from the ambient
environment.
On
7/8/2018 2:54 AM, Warren
Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] wrote:
Norman
You
have written the best
essay on this
subject I have ever
read.
What
an interesting concept,
well
researched.
By
carefully stating the
subject, you
also leave the door open
to further
research on a collective
basis, for
a group effort to build
practical
applications.
This
paper deserves
recognition in a
serious scientific
journal.
Cheers
Warren
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from
Yahoo Mail on
Android
On Sat, 7 Jul
2018 at 8:56
PM, Norman Wootan
[email protected]
[EVGRAY]
<[email protected]>
wrote:
Try
this one:
What is
Heat
#3
For about 10
years
I have been
studying the
effects of
heating and
cooling associated
with
the phase
change
of
liquids with
the
hope of
building a simple
generator of
electrical
power
around the
phenomenon.
The reason
for
this
interest is
based
on the
theory
that energy
can be
extracted
from the
ambient background
via
thermal
differentials.
My
line of
thinking really
took
off back when
I
experimented
with the all
too
familiar
Peltier junction
devices found in
electronic
cooling devices.
Would you
believe that most
people do not
understand how
these
devices move
thermal
energy
through a current
flow
across a
semiconductor
junction.
Historically
we
find that
German
physicist,
Thomas
Seebeck back in
1820
observed that
when
heat was
applied to a
junction of copper
and
steel wire
that
electrical
energy
resulted.
Later in
1834
Jean Peltier
discovered
that
when a direct
current was
applied to two
Dissimilar
metals
the
junction got hot
or
cold. It
was
not
Until 1838
that
Emil Lenz
clearly showed the
importance of
Both Seebeck
and
Peltier s
discoveries by
placing a drop of
Water on the
junction of
dissimilar metals
which
froze then
Melted when
the
polarity of
the
direct current
was
Reversed.
These
discoveries
remained dormant
for
over 100
Years because
of the
unavailability of
semiconductor
Materials
which
could
provide the wide
temperature
Differentials.
In the 1930
s
semiconductor
materials became
Available
which
revived the
electric cooling
principles.
In
The 1960 s
many
companies
began
building
spot
cooling
Devices and
refrigerators
based
on these
effects using a
Junction
material of
bismuth-telluride.
Today
more
advanced
Materials are
used
with the
basic
parameters
of
being a pore
Thermal
conductor but
being
an excellent
electrical
Conductor.
The
dissimilar
materials must
provide a high
Coefficient
of
voltage
temperature
relationship.
The first
Peltier
devices that I
experimented with
back
about 10
years
ago were
built
by Marlow
Industries here in
Dallas. With
a
small
temperature
differential
across
the device
a
weak
current with
an
attendant
voltage was
developed.
Increasing
the
differential
provided a
proportional
increase in
current
and voltage.
About 6
years
ago I posted
a
chart of the
wattage
generated from two
different size
Peltier chips on
the Keely Net
BBS. My
curiosity was
based
on the
puzzle
of
how electron
flow
could move
thermal energy
across
the
junctions and
how
electrical
energy
was
produced by moving
thermal
energy
across the
junction. This
is a
directly
reversible
situation based on
polarity.
Now let us
look
at a very
familiar parallel
process used in
refrigeration,
cooling and
heating devices
employing phase
change
material such as
water
and
refrigerants.
We have
always been
led to
believe
that
evaporating
water
provided
cooling
effects which is a
mechanical
process. By the
same
mechanical
process we are
provided heating
effects by the
condensation
of a
gas back to a
liquid
phase
change. Would
you believe
that
any material
that
undergoes a
phase
change
provides an
attendant
electrical effect.
Back in
1840
Armstrong
invented an
electrostatic
generator based on
escaping
steam
through
insulated nozzles
which
provided one
of the most
powerful devices
of
this type ever
built.
Popular
belief
was that
this
was a
frictional process
with
the
electrical output
resulting from the
steam
friction
passing
through the
nozzles. After
reading an old
(1920
s)
Thermodynamics
in
Chemistry text
book I
realized
that
the
phase change
of
materials was
an
electrical
phenomenon and
not purely
mechanical.
The atoms
of the
material
lose
or
gain
electrons in the
process which
accounts for the
discrepancy
in the
energy
equation when a
material
transitions
between phases.
More energy
is
present after
the phase
change
back to the
lower
form or
atomic
state. The
text book
stated
that this
phenomenon could
not
be
explained.
When Jerry
and I
attended a
Conference hosted
by
Hal Puthoff
down
in Austin
back
about 6 years
ago
a
Physicist
from
Austria
presented a paper
on the
phase
change
of water and
the
attendant
electrical
phenomenon which
is
totally not
understood by
modern
science.
Now my
suspicions
were
confirmed that
phase
changes of
materials are an
electrostatic
phenomenon, which
leads
us to the
fundamental
question of,
What is
heat? We
were
told in the
school
that heat is
the
presence of
energy
and cool is
the
absence
of energy.
What is the
form
of this
energy? Let
us
look at
a
very simple
example of heating
which
may explain
this
process.
When
sunlight strikes
an
absorbing
surface it is
heated
because electrons
in the
material
are
converted to
photons which
are
emitted in the
infrared band of
light
leaving the
material in a net
positive state or
hot. The
more
electrons a
material loses the
hotter
it becomes.
Now
the inverse
situation is
explored by
evaporating some
water
from the
surface of a
material which
leaves
the surface
in
a
net negative
state
or cold.
Heat or
cold
is based on
the
ion
relationship in
the
material.
When we
apply
a flame
(ionizing) to
a
material we
cause
the emission
of
photons
which is
basically
stripping away
electrons from the
atomic
structure
causing a gross
net
positive
situation to
occur.
Now we are
getting a picture
as to
how an
electric current
across the
Peltier junction
can
transport
thermal energy
(ions).
Since the
energy
is in the
form
of presence
or
absence of
electrons then it
is a
simple
explanation as to
how the
process works.
All phase
change
processes
work
the
same way
basically via ion
transport and are
not
mechanical
processes
which
we were
taught. Everything
in
chemistry is
an electrical
or
electrostatic
process at the
atomic
level
based on the
ionized state of
the
atoms
involved.
At a Vanguard
Science Roundtable
discussion several
years
ago
we talked
about
the ion wind
method
of fire
fighting in
which ionized
air
will
extinguish a flame
because of the
cooling
effects. Now
we see
Patents
issued
based on
negative ion
spraying of a
surface causing it
to
rapidly
cool because
it
becomes net
negative charged.
This is a
very
efficient method
of
air-conditioning
because an ion
generator
operates
at very
high
voltages with
very
little
current
involved.
It is
possible to
develop this ion
transport
(thermal energy)
to
provide direct
electrical
output from
very
subtle
temperature
differentials.
Remember
that this is
a
direct
reversible process
where
a thermal
differential
will
cause a
development of
current and
voltage
as in the
Peltier device.
I hope that
this
dialog will
provide some
food
for thought
out
there on the
Keely
Net.
Please
provide some
feedback on this
very
interesting
line
of
experimentation.
Norm
On
7/7/2018 5:38 PM,
[email protected]
[EVGRAY] wrote:
Norm,
Part of
your heat
treatise was
evaporated by
yahoo, feel
free to send
to
my email,
very
interesting
topic that
bummed me out
when I hit
"Would" and
nothing
further!
In
respect to my
wireless
energy
experiment I
have found PNP
to
be superior
to
NPN, maybe
they shut off
faster being
always on or
maybe the end
result is more
hole ish.
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