Re: [EVGRAY] charging a coil like a cap

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2018-05-27T11:03:13-04:00
Karl Wagner <[email protected]>

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This is the way the circuit should be for pure back "EMF only" charging. This is what I use to charge all my AA, AAA and 9 volt batteries. No forward DC pulse with current, as in Rene's circuit. I need a large Toroidal Ferrite core to try this on large 6 or 12 VDC flooded batteries. Haven't tried that yet. But for small batteries, this has worked perfectly, batteries remain cold, and brings back almost all dead alcalines, Ni-Mh and NiCads. It's basically a joule thief but instead of taking the output from collector and emitter, as it's usually done to light LEDs, I take the output from the high spike collapsing coil.

The input power supply is a 5VDC wall power supply. The measured output voltage  across the coil is around  73 VDC, measured without charging  battery and from collector to anode of diode and a temporary cap so it can be measured correctly due to high frequency. Frequency varies from 15 Khz to around 150 Khz  or more, depending on the bias. Transistor is a standard NE-3055

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On May 27, 2018, 10:00 AM, at 10:00 AM, "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Hi Mick
> I think I can help since I made quite a few rene chargers....
>The circuit first sends an 18VDC to 22VDC charge through the
>battery...call this a forward-charge....it does this via a
>self-oscillating transistor pulsing in the DC charge, this charge is
>not from a cap-discharge , but simply a rectified to DC charge from the
>power-supply such as a transformer 120VAC to 20VAC, then rectified
>(what I did)
>So think of this primary charge to 12V battery simply a transformer
>120VAC to 20VAC, rectify it, and pulse it into battery....This is the
>"first stage" of a rene charger....
>Now AFTER this pulsing happens, and after each pulse, there is a
>backemf spike that gets recovered and also shoves itself into the
>battery that Rene calls a "RE-backemf charge" so for every pulse that
>happens there are two that charge the battery, one "forward" then one
>the backspike coming off  of the pulsing too...
> 
>
>To ne I think the Bedini wheel charge is superior, since it is a PURE
>backemf/recoil/flyback charge going into lead acid batteries...no
>"forward" conventional pulse through the battery first as in a rene
>charger...
> 
>
>Perhaps with a rene charger you can find a very particular charging
>cycle for particular batteries in how far to deplete until charge
>cycle, and how high to charge during charge cycle where a rene charger
>will work overunity via comparison of watts to charge over time  vs
>watts to run load over time...
> 
>
>So, I would say  Bedini wheel is superior especially from the very
>believable reports Warren did of charging every battery from just about
>everyone in his marina one winter....he ran his bedini wheel on a small
>7AH 12V battery (4AH?) that he only needed to charge back up once a
>week and this took only a couple hours,  and during that week, he
>managed to charge up many big marine batteries (that all do serious
>work in people's boats)...it seems to be way overunity, and very
>practical for of overunity too.
>Warren also reported that his marina-friends would keep bringing the
>batteries back after running them down and they charged up better than
>they had ever seen before....
> ciao
> Kone
> 
>
>

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