Re: Watch "power multiplying machine complete demonstration" on YouTube

Hi Warren.
I dunno...2A and 24V...48W...thats  lots of power input.
Only going 800rpm or so
My muller gen with flat disc flywheel of 16 20mmx5mm neoymiums goes 620rpm at 15v and  .20 amps: so .3watts (point 3)
Not to brag eh!
His flywheel power measurements have no mechanical load resistance so that actual HP can be measured ...looks like his measurements/calculations  are only of a spinning mass and how much energy is stored within (but not actual power since no mechanical resistance is being applied so as to.be able to measure torque) 
He could have a generator hooked to it, as a load too (of course generator not lenz free type)
Or Prony brake on shaft:

 https://sites.google.com/site/alternativeworldenergy/testing-horsepower-and-watts-from-shaft-of-motor

https://youtu.be/4M6EInBlv8AI find this is interesting.It is a combination of the flywheel with a pulse motor.Cheers Warren
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DougStealing a few minutes from mortar and stone, I am working on our daisy chain motor experiment of six or is it eight years ago?Anyway, I am very much more careful with exactly separating the source DC from the back EMF noise capture.With just two motors, using two plain blocking diodes, a few minutes ago, both motors are running on 15 volts. There are 90 volt motors. The EMF motor is a very substantial gear head and is turning just fine, and there is nothing I have handy that is going to stop that shaft.The adjustable regulated power supply is reading less than 1 amp load.Must check if it changes with the additional motor.I will keep adding motors as I epoxy the magnets back down.Sitting in unheated spaces and being knocked around loosens the magnets on most DC motors. There are extreme temperature issues with the differential of expansion of materials, like steel and those ferrite magnets, I suspect.No permanent damage that 5 minute epoxy can't fix. Each one must be taken apart, and so on.Nylon fish line is your friend with the brushes to re-assemble. That, and masking tape.So good so far!Cheers Warren

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  On Fri., 6 Sep. 2019 at 2:37 p.m., [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Warren.
I dunno...2A and 24V...48W...thats lots of power input.
Only going 800rpm or so
My muller gen with flat disc flywheel of 16 20mmx5mm neoymiums goes 620rpm at 15v and .20 amps: so .3watts (point 3)
Not to brag eh!
His flywheel power measurements have no mechanical load resistance so that actual HP can be measured ...looks like his measurements/calculations are only of a spinning mass and how much energy is stored within (but not actual power since no mechanical resistance is being applied so as to.be able to measure torque) 
He could have a generator hooked to it, as a load too (of course generator not lenz free type)
Or Prony brake on shaft:

https://sites.google.com/site/alternativeworldenergy/testing-horsepower-and-watts-from-shaft-of-motor


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Hi Warren
Sounds great...can you film wirh your smart.phone and upload to youtube? Its really easy to dovideos  these days. Gettig stuff on youtube means you can deleye from phone afterwards snd save some.memory
Kone

Hi Warren
Maybe put at very end of chain a prony brake on scale witbh rpm meter and/or dc motot working as generator into load. This dc motor generator or prony brake connected to shaft of that last dc motor in daisy/diode chain....now you can compare shaft torque to just one single motor see ifreally is a gain in sbaft torque at end of daizy/diode chain and if so, how much of gain in torque.
Also perhaps add caps on each motor ? Back to back dc type or AC type or dc type...dont know uf values or if will help or hinder just idea.
Kone

Warren are you recycling the back emf ?.bedini showed on one of his bids
that back emf voltage wasn't higher than the source voltage but its still
there .I always wondered what would happen is a DC motor was rewind as
bifiler to get the high slick voltages like bedinis system .any news from
the guys working on the washing machine generators ?.didn't kono add neos
to some DC motors sometime ago ?.might boost your out put ?.some guys on
the three battery system were using DC to DC boaters to up the back emf
above the source voltage .

On Saturday, September 7, 2019, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Hi Warren
> Maybe put at very end of chain a prony brake on scale witbh rpm meter
> and/or dc motot working as generator into load. This dc motor generator or
> prony brake connected to shaft of that last dc motor in daisy/diode
> chain....now you can compare shaft torque to just one single motor see
> ifreally is a gain in sbaft torque at end of daizy/diode chain and if so,
> how much of gain in torque.
> Also perhaps add caps on each motor ? Back to back dc type or AC type or
> dc type...dont know uf values or if will help or hinder just idea.
> Kone
> 
>

Hi JamesI haven't joined the tele conferences as it is in the middle of my work day.We are rushing with this barn construction, trying to get the roof on before the snow flies.The first floor is all stone, from the property, and is nearly finished. Getting the heavy stones up, beyond 10 feet is made possible with the jaws of the excavator covered with wood, to protect the stones, while gripping them tightly to get them to the top.The post and beam portion goes very quickly using Timberlock screws and my steel brackets, I make.I want to make good use of the availability of such lovely long 20' 6"x6", and 8"×8" pine, that we rarely see in Ontario, because the American market usually takes all there is, leaving nothing for us, here, except chipboard crappite. This is a bonus, as it is wonderful to work with.Now to answer you Samsung question:I have not seen much progress on that forum, yet there are all sorts of people in other areas of interest starting independently to use these motors. That youtube to Doug is an example, with a drone motor.They are not anywhere as efficient as Doug's but they are off the shelf as it were.Doing the math, how can they not self run?
I believe the guy was doing an honest presentation.Cheers Warren
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  On Sat., 7 Sep. 2019 at 9:55 a.m., James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Warren are you recycling the back emf ?.bedini showed on one of his bids that back emf voltage wasn't higher than the source voltage but its still there .I always wondered what would happen is a DC motor was rewind as bifiler to get the high slick voltages like bedinis system .any news from the guys working on the washing machine generators ?.didn't kono add neos to some DC motors sometime ago ?.might boost your out put ?.some guys on the three battery system were using DC to DC boaters to up the back emf above the source voltage .

On Saturday, September 7, 2019, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:


     
Hi Warren
Maybe put at very end of chain a prony brake on scale witbh rpm meter and/or dc motot working as generator into load. This dc motor generator or prony brake connected to shaft of that last dc motor in daisy/diode chain....now you can compare shaft torque to just one single motor see ifreally is a gain in sbaft torque at end of daizy/diode chain and if so, how much of gain in torque.
Also perhaps add caps on each motor ? Back to back dc type or AC type or dc type...dont know uf values or if will help or hinder just idea.
Kone

   
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This concept of the washing machine generator motor is a lot like what the
air craft companies use hi voltage hi frequency .one thing bedini said on
his videos was that the more coper used the more free energy thats why he
built the really big units  I'm thinking more copper more isotope flipping
?.

On Saturday, September 7, 2019, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Hi James
> I haven't joined the tele conferences as it is in the middle of my work
> day.
> We are rushing with this barn construction, trying to get the roof on
> before the snow flies.
> The first floor is all stone, from the property, and is nearly finished.
> Getting the heavy stones up, beyond 10 feet is made possible with the jaws
> of the excavator covered with wood, to protect the stones, while gripping
> them tightly to get them to the top.
> The post and beam portion goes very quickly using Timberlock screws and my
> steel brackets, I make.
> I want to make good use of the availability of such lovely long 20' 6"x6",
> and 8"×8" pine, that we rarely see in Ontario, because the American market
> usually takes all there is, leaving nothing for us, here, except chipboard
> crappite. This is a bonus, as it is wonderful to work with.
> Now to answer you Samsung question:
> I have not seen much progress on that forum, yet there are all sorts of
> people in other areas of interest starting independently to use these
> motors. That youtube to Doug is an example, with a drone motor.
> They are not anywhere as efficient as Doug's but they are off the shelf as
> it were.
> Doing the math, how can they not self run?
> I believe the guy was doing an honest presentation.
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
> On Sat., 7 Sep. 2019 at 9:55 a.m., James Glinski [email protected]
> [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Warren are you recycling the back emf ?.bedini showed on one of his bids
> that back emf voltage wasn't higher than the source voltage but its still
> there .I always wondered what would happen is a DC motor was rewind as
> bifiler to get the high slick voltages like bedinis system .any news from
> the guys working on the washing machine generators ?.didn't kono add neos
> to some DC motors sometime ago ?.might boost your out put ?.some guys on
> the three battery system were using DC to DC boaters to up the back emf
> above the source voltage .
>
> On Saturday, September 7, 2019, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Warren
> Maybe put at very end of chain a prony brake on scale witbh rpm meter
> and/or dc motot working as generator into load. This dc motor generator or
> prony brake connected to shaft of that last dc motor in daisy/diode
> chain....now you can compare shaft torque to just one single motor see
> ifreally is a gain in sbaft torque at end of daizy/diode chain and if so,
> how much of gain in torque.
> Also perhaps add caps on each motor ? Back to back dc type or AC type or
> dc type...dont know uf values or if will help or hinder just idea.
> Kone
>
> 
>