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Its self exited reluctance alternator and it operates similar to QEG and Ecklin - Brown generator  and its a mechanical MEG - MEMA  mix , the idea is the rotor have lower  lenz resistance due to
the non polarization of its rotary core under the influence  of the stator field dynamics, the energy is generated by phase shift caused by impedance change to induce self induction in the circuit result of rotation of the magnetic switch part  ( transformer steel laminate rotor ) no shorts !

the tests will give the results as this thing operates similar to a class c tube amplifier ( not a triode VTA ) quality of the experiment and construction  will determine results ... those that wasted $K of dollars in QEG may get it to work on application of this circuit to it ! they have to remove the shorted coil turns,  the bad design of the unit screw settings got  to make shorted turns in the QEG coil & core ....

`just give proper CREDIT & USE !   as i got real tired of the scammers & bullshiters !

ITS FREE  !   © 1988,1992,2018,2019 other publishing rights apply replication permitted in full !

But with enough exlax he would have the runs faster?


---In [email protected], <arkresearch@...> wrote :

 simply a hamster wheel with speedy Gonzales on it will not develop the sufficient speed ! 



(H)

Hector, one question, does the rotor need a little motor to drive it? 

 Thanks
 

 Ron

simply a hamster wheel with speedy Gonzales on it will not develop the sufficient speed ! 



(H)

HectorWhat ideal rpm would be your target.Chipmunks on steroids?Just name qa useful rpm range?We can then choose the appropriate motor.Perhaps a muffin fan?(blades machined off) 12 volts DCCheers Warren
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simply a hamster wheel with speedy Gonzales on it will not develop the sufficient speed ! 



(H) 
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to have variable speed in a QEG or in a reluctance alternator  is the way to insure it will work as all ways there is an OPTIMAL  speed for each case . 

(H)

---In [email protected], <schoonersolsticemoon@...> wrote :

 
Hector What ideal rpm would be your target.
 Chipmunks on steroids?
 Just name qa useful rpm range?
 We can then choose the appropriate motor.
 Perhaps a muffin fan?(blades machined off) 12 volts DC
 Cheers Warren
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 On Wed., 7 Aug. 2019 at 9:00 p.m., arkresearch@... [EVGRAY]
 <[email protected]> wrote:
 
   simply a hamster wheel with speedy Gonzales on it will not develop the sufficient speed ! 



(H)

Hi  Warren 
With AC motors usually you need to spin the motor to a  specific rpm so it will latch up witb tbe A C sinewave using an external "pony" motor to do tbis...tben disconne the pony motor afterwards. Exampke 4 pole AC motor with 60bz sinewave needs to be going 1800rpm. Of course different with rotovertor since it can start from stop using start caps. 
So to make tbe motor in Hectors drawings loop, in or order to spin by itself, the "sweetspot" in frequency of self resonance (whatever ypu call it) needs to be also a specific frequenxy of rotation too. Maybe octaves or harmonic 5ths will be strong emough...
I think the sweet spot in frrquency for less draw and mucb more power has similar effects asThane Karl Heinz delayed lenz effect where according to Woopys tests a few years ago with a 16 mag ns rotor and 36 ohm coil needs 2100 to 2300 rpm to get it to speed up umder load...so 2 pole rotor needs maybe 16 to 17k rpm range this why hopng octaves can work tpo so drop it down x12 or x24 less?  
Kone

Frequency drive "RVed" = rotor speed control = rotor speed control = QEG  will WORK ! instead of farting blood & going dead like all the replications out there ...

and i am not collecting 400 EURO  per head to tell it ! 



(H) 

---In [email protected], <koneheadx@...> wrote :

 Hi Warren 
 With AC motors usually you need to spin the motor to a specific rpm so it will latch up witb tbe A C sinewave using an external "pony" motor to do tbis...tben disconne the pony motor afterwards. Exampke 4 pole AC motor with 60bz sinewave needs to be going 1800rpm. Of course different with rotovertor since it can start from stop using start caps. 
 So to make tbe motor in Hectors drawings loop, in or order to spin by itself, the "sweetspot" in frequency of self resonance (whatever ypu call it) needs to be also a specific frequenxy of rotation too. Maybe octaves or harmonic 5ths will be strong emough...
 I think the sweet spot in frrquency for less draw and mucb more power has similar effects asThane Karl Heinz delayed lenz effect where according to Woopys tests a few years ago with a 16 mag ns rotor and 36 ohm coil needs 2100 to 2300 rpm to get it to speed up umder load...so 2 pole rotor needs maybe 16 to 17k rpm range this why hopng octaves can work tpo so drop it down x12 or x24 less? 
 Kone

Hi Doug

I tried to send a couple of photos but got the mailer demon message, as I put it with a long text. I'll try sending the separately.

It looks like I may have to lose the text, as my phone is an editing pain in the butt.

More coming separately.

Cheers Warren

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With AC motors usually you need to spin the motor to a specific rpm so it will latch up witb tbe A C sinewave using an external "pony" motor to do tbis...tben disconne the pony motor afterwards. Exampke 4 pole AC motor with 60bz sinewave needs to be going 1800rpm. Of course different with rotovertor since it can start from stop using start caps. 
So to make tbe motor in Hectors drawings loop, in or order to spin by itself, the "sweetspot" in frequency of self resonance (whatever ypu call it) needs to be also a specific frequenxy of rotation too. Maybe octaves or harmonic 5ths will be strong emough...
I think the sweet spot in frrquency for less draw and mucb more power has similar effects asThane Karl Heinz delayed lenz effect where according to Woopys tests a few years ago with a 16 mag ns rotor and 36 ohm coil needs 2100 to 2300 rpm to get it to speed up umder load...so 2 pole rotor needs maybe 16 to 17k rpm range this why hopng octaves can work tpo so drop it down x12 or x24 less? 
Kone

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Aquarium pumpCheers Warren

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  On Fri., 9 Aug. 2019 at 2:31 a.m., [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Warren 
With AC motors usually you need to spin the motor to a specific rpm so it will latch up witb tbe A C sinewave using an external "pony" motor to do tbis...tben disconne the pony motor afterwards. Exampke 4 pole AC motor with 60bz sinewave needs to be going 1800rpm. Of course different with rotovertor since it can start from stop using start caps. 
So to make tbe motor in Hectors drawings loop, in or order to spin by itself, the "sweetspot" in frequency of self resonance (whatever ypu call it) needs to be also a specific frequenxy of rotation too. Maybe octaves or harmonic 5ths will be strong emough...
I think the sweet spot in frrquency for less draw and mucb more power has similar effects asThane Karl Heinz delayed lenz effect where according to Woopys tests a few years ago with a 16 mag ns rotor and 36 ohm coil needs 2100 to 2300 rpm to get it to speed up umder load...so 2 pole rotor needs maybe 16 to 17k rpm range this why hopng octaves can work tpo so drop it down x12 or x24 less? 
Kone

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This is a weird little scrap yard find that has been in my orphan collection.It suggests what we are discussing, except we are talking generators.Cheers Warren

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  On Fri., 9 Aug. 2019 at 2:31 a.m., [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Warren 
With AC motors usually you need to spin the motor to a specific rpm so it will latch up witb tbe A C sinewave using an external "pony" motor to do tbis...tben disconne the pony motor afterwards. Exampke 4 pole AC motor with 60bz sinewave needs to be going 1800rpm. Of course different with rotovertor since it can start from stop using start caps. 
So to make tbe motor in Hectors drawings loop, in or order to spin by itself, the "sweetspot" in frequency of self resonance (whatever ypu call it) needs to be also a specific frequenxy of rotation too. Maybe octaves or harmonic 5ths will be strong emough...
I think the sweet spot in frrquency for less draw and mucb more power has similar effects asThane Karl Heinz delayed lenz effect where according to Woopys tests a few years ago with a 16 mag ns rotor and 36 ohm coil needs 2100 to 2300 rpm to get it to speed up umder load...so 2 pole rotor needs maybe 16 to 17k rpm range this why hopng octaves can work tpo so drop it down x12 or x24 less? 
Kone

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Hi DougYour Muller is similar to Hector's drawing, except the magnets come at right angles to the gap in the core if the coils were united by their cores in a horseshoe on either side of the magnet containing disc. Your same array of coils sit on that laminate core.The advantage of the disc is that you can have an unlimited number of magnets sequencing through the gap, like carbide teeth in a saw blade, with Hector's variable speed motor, choosing the frequency.Because of the number of magnets(easy to obtain little disc type) the rotor disc need not turn so fast, keeping everything nice, and practical, using normal stuff, like permanent magnet motors.I put up those pictures of the aquarium pump being driven by a weird method, of ac motor, I haven't seen many examples of. I am not sure how it works, or what it is called.It is slow, quiet, and torquey, and drives a little oscillating piston pump.Something fun to note:Compressed air, put to the pump will spin it, as a motor driving that disc.Cheers Warren

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  On Fri., 9 Aug. 2019 at 2:31 a.m., [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Warren 
With AC motors usually you need to spin the motor to a specific rpm so it will latch up witb tbe A C sinewave using an external "pony" motor to do tbis...tben disconne the pony motor afterwards. Exampke 4 pole AC motor with 60bz sinewave needs to be going 1800rpm. Of course different with rotovertor since it can start from stop using start caps. 
So to make tbe motor in Hectors drawings loop, in or order to spin by itself, the "sweetspot" in frequency of self resonance (whatever ypu call it) needs to be also a specific frequenxy of rotation too. Maybe octaves or harmonic 5ths will be strong emough...
I think the sweet spot in frrquency for less draw and mucb more power has similar effects asThane Karl Heinz delayed lenz effect where according to Woopys tests a few years ago with a 16 mag ns rotor and 36 ohm coil needs 2100 to 2300 rpm to get it to speed up umder load...so 2 pole rotor needs maybe 16 to 17k rpm range this why hopng octaves can work tpo so drop it down x12 or x24 less? 
Kone

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Hi Warren,

"I put up those pictures of the aquarium pump being driven by a weird method, of ac motor, I haven't seen many examples of.  I am not sure how it works, or what it is called."
It is driven by eddy currents and is an eddy current motor. They were used to drive the old analog electric energy meters.
Cylinder rotor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-peoqu_MRnA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-peoqu_MRnA (1:10).
Disc rotor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViapciJ7G3k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViapciJ7G3k (2:55).

Two out of phase AC magnetic fields are set up in the rotor. The magnetic field made from the induced current in the rotor opposes the moving field of the two phase shifted stator coils. This pushes or drags the rotor along the moving field. The principle is like that used in Tesla's asynchronous induction motor if the iron of the rotor is omitted or exchanged to a nonmagnetic electric conductive material.

Regards
Ole

 

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 Hi Doug Your Muller is similar to Hector's drawing, except the magnets come at right angles to the gap in the core if the coils were united by their cores in a horseshoe on either side of the magnet containing disc. Your same array of coils sit on that laminate core.
 The advantage of the disc is that you can have an unlimited number of magnets sequencing through the gap, like carbide teeth in a saw blade, with Hector's variable speed motor, choosing the frequency.
 Because of the number of magnets(easy to obtain little disc type) the rotor disc need not turn so fast, keeping everything nice, and practical, using normal stuff, like permanent magnet motors.
 I put up those pictures of the aquarium pump being driven by a weird method, of ac motor, I haven't seen many examples of. 
 I am not sure how it works, or what it is called.
 It is slow, quiet, and torquey, and drives a little oscillating piston pump.
 Something fun to note:
 Compressed air, put to the pump will spin it, as a motor driving that disc.
 Cheers Warren

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 On Fri., 9 Aug. 2019 at 2:31 a.m., koneheadx@... [EVGRAY]
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   Hi Warren 
 With AC motors usually you need to spin the motor to a specific rpm so it will latch up witb tbe A C sinewave using an external "pony" motor to do tbis...tben disconne the pony motor afterwards. Exampke 4 pole AC motor with 60bz sinewave needs to be going 1800rpm. Of course different with rotovertor since it can start from stop using start caps. 
 So to make tbe motor in Hectors drawings loop, in or order to spin by itself, the "sweetspot" in frequency of self resonance (whatever ypu call it) needs to be also a specific frequenxy of rotation too. Maybe octaves or harmonic 5ths will be strong emough...
 I think the sweet spot in frrquency for less draw and mucb more power has similar effects asThane Karl Heinz delayed lenz effect where according to Woopys tests a few years ago with a 16 mag ns rotor and 36 ohm coil needs 2100 to 2300 rpm to get it to speed up umder load...so 2 pole rotor needs maybe 16 to 17k rpm range this why hopng octaves can work tpo so drop it down x12 or x24 less? 
 Kone

OleThank you, I did think it was a strange little motor.I never was able to run it, though it is very well made, and nothing wrong with it.
I picked it up at a scrap yard, as it was likely brought to Canada, from the UK, where it was a fish bubbler. It might be a challenge to run it on single phase120 volt, 60 hz AC?The little pump, is very precisely made, to be durable for decades.Cheers Warren
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  On Sat., 10 Aug. 2019 at 7:08 p.m., [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Warren,

"I put up those pictures of the aquarium pump being driven by a weird method, of ac motor, I haven't seen many examples of. 
I am not sure how it works, or what it is called."
It is driven by eddy currents and is an eddy current motor. They were used to drive the old analog electric energy meters.
Cylinder rotor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-peoqu_MRnA (1:10).
Disc rotor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViapciJ7G3k (2:55).

Two out of phase AC magnetic fields are set up in the rotor. The magnetic field made from the induced current in the rotor opposes the moving field of the two phase shifted stator coils. This pushes or drags the rotor along the moving field. The principle is like that used in Tesla's asynchronous induction motor if the iron of the rotor is omitted or exchanged to a nonmagnetic electric conductive material.

Regards
Ole


---In [email protected], <schoonersolsticemoon@...> wrote :

Hi DougYour Muller is similar to Hector's drawing, except the magnets come at right angles to the gap in the core if the coils were united by their cores in a horseshoe on either side of the magnet containing disc. Your same array of coils sit on that laminate core.The advantage of the disc is that you can have an unlimited number of magnets sequencing through the gap, like carbide teeth in a saw blade, with Hector's variable speed motor, choosing the frequency.Because of the number of magnets(easy to obtain little disc type) the rotor disc need not turn so fast, keeping everything nice, and practical, using normal stuff, like permanent magnet motors.I put up those pictures of the aquarium pump being driven by a weird method, of ac motor, I haven't seen many examples of. I am not sure how it works, or what it is called.It is slow, quiet, and torquey, and drives a little oscillating piston pump.Something fun to note:Compressed air, put to the pump will spin it, as a motor driving that disc.Cheers Warren

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On Fri., 9 Aug. 2019 at 2:31 a.m., koneheadx@... [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote: 
Hi Warren 
With AC motors usually you need to spin the motor to a specific rpm so it will latch up witb tbe A C sinewave using an external "pony" motor to do tbis...tben disconne the pony motor afterwards. Exampke 4 pole AC motor with 60bz sinewave needs to be going 1800rpm. Of course different with rotovertor since it can start from stop using start caps. 
So to make tbe motor in Hectors drawings loop, in or order to spin by itself, the "sweetspot" in frequency of self resonance (whatever ypu call it) needs to be also a specific frequenxy of rotation too. Maybe octaves or harmonic 5ths will be strong emough...
I think the sweet spot in frrquency for less draw and mucb more power has similar effects asThane Karl Heinz delayed lenz effect where according to Woopys tests a few years ago with a 16 mag ns rotor and 36 ohm coil needs 2100 to 2300 rpm to get it to speed up umder load...so 2 pole rotor needs maybe 16 to 17k rpm range this why hopng octaves can work tpo so drop it down x12 or x24 less? 
Kone



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Here is a video with Eric Laithwaite demonstrating magnetic and electromagnetic motors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWiYsRi2Dss https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWiYsRi2Dss (19:40). I wouldn't discern between magnetic and electromagnetic as they're both present and two sides of the same cause. But the efficiency of the fields depends on the size of the motors as the professor demonstrates. Laithwaite calls the moving field a magnetic river. The conductive metal rotor is a hysteresis motor.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <onielsen@...> wrote :

 Hi Warren,

"I put up those pictures of the aquarium pump being driven by a weird method, of ac motor, I haven't seen many examples of.  I am not sure how it works, or what it is called."
It is driven by eddy currents and is an eddy current motor. They were used to drive the old analog electric energy meters.
Cylinder rotor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-peoqu_MRnA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-peoqu_MRnA (1:10).
Disc rotor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViapciJ7G3k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViapciJ7G3k (2:55).

Two out of phase AC magnetic fields are set up in the rotor. The magnetic field made from the induced current in the rotor opposes the moving field of the two phase shifted stator coils. This pushes or drags the rotor along the moving field. The principle is like that used in Tesla's asynchronous induction motor if the iron of the rotor is omitted or exchanged to a nonmagnetic electric conductive material.

Regards
Ole

 

---In [email protected], <schoonersolsticemoon@...> wrote :

 Hi Doug Your Muller is similar to Hector's drawing, except the magnets come at right angles to the gap in the core if the coils were united by their cores in a horseshoe on either side of the magnet containing disc. Your same array of coils sit on that laminate core.
 The advantage of the disc is that you can have an unlimited number of magnets sequencing through the gap, like carbide teeth in a saw blade, with Hector's variable speed motor, choosing the frequency.
 Because of the number of magnets(easy to obtain little disc type) the rotor disc need not turn so fast, keeping everything nice, and practical, using normal stuff, like permanent magnet motors.
 I put up those pictures of the aquarium pump being driven by a weird method, of ac motor, I haven't seen many examples of. 
 I am not sure how it works, or what it is called.
 It is slow, quiet, and torquey, and drives a little oscillating piston pump.
 Something fun to note:
 Compressed air, put to the pump will spin it, as a motor driving that disc.
 Cheers Warren

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 On Fri., 9 Aug. 2019 at 2:31 a.m., koneheadx@... [EVGRAY]
 <[email protected]> wrote:

   Hi Warren 
 With AC motors usually you need to spin the motor to a specific rpm so it will latch up witb tbe A C sinewave using an external "pony" motor to do tbis...tben disconne the pony motor afterwards. Exampke 4 pole AC motor with 60bz sinewave needs to be going 1800rpm. Of course different with rotovertor since it can start from stop using start caps. 
 So to make tbe motor in Hectors drawings loop, in or order to spin by itself, the "sweetspot" in frequency of self resonance (whatever ypu call it) needs to be also a specific frequenxy of rotation too. Maybe octaves or harmonic 5ths will be strong emough...
 I think the sweet spot in frrquency for less draw and mucb more power has similar effects asThane Karl Heinz delayed lenz effect where according to Woopys tests a few years ago with a 16 mag ns rotor and 36 ohm coil needs 2100 to 2300 rpm to get it to speed up umder load...so 2 pole rotor needs maybe 16 to 17k rpm range this why hopng octaves can work tpo so drop it down x12 or x24 less? 
 Kone

Hi Warren,

" It might be a challenge to run it on single phase120 volt, 60 hz AC?"
There has to be a capacitor in series with one of the stator coils to make the phase shift. Else the field isn't moving.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <schoonersolsticemoon@...> wrote :

 Ole Thank you, I did think it was a strange little motor.
 I never was able to run it, though it is very well made, and nothing wrong with it.
I picked it up at a scrap yard, as it was likely brought to Canada, from the UK, where it was a fish bubbler.
  It might be a challenge to run it on single phase120 volt, 60 hz AC?
 The little pump, is very precisely made, to be durable for decades.
 Cheers Warren
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 On Sat., 10 Aug. 2019 at 7:08 p.m., onielsen@... [EVGRAY]
 <[email protected]> wrote:

   Hi Warren,

"I put up those pictures of the aquarium pump being driven by a weird method, of ac motor, I haven't seen many examples of. 
 I am not sure how it works, or what it is called."
It is driven by eddy currents and is an eddy current motor. They were used to drive the old analog electric energy meters.
Cylinder rotor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-peoqu_MRnA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-peoqu_MRnA (1:10).
Disc rotor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViapciJ7G3k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViapciJ7G3k (2:55).

Two out of phase AC magnetic fields are set up in the rotor. The magnetic field made from the induced current in the rotor opposes the moving field of the two phase shifted stator coils. This pushes or drags the rotor along the moving field. The principle is like that used in Tesla's asynchronous induction motor if the iron of the rotor is omitted or exchanged to a nonmagnetic electric conductive material.

Regards
Ole

 

---In [email protected], <schoonersolsticemoon@...> wrote :

 Hi Doug Your Muller is similar to Hector's drawing, except the magnets come at right angles to the gap in the core if the coils were united by their cores in a horseshoe on either side of the magnet containing disc. Your same array of coils sit on that laminate core.
 The advantage of the disc is that you can have an unlimited number of magnets sequencing through the gap, like carbide teeth in a saw blade, with Hector's variable speed motor, choosing the frequency.
 Because of the number of magnets(easy to obtain little disc type) the rotor disc need not turn so fast, keeping everything nice, and practical, using normal stuff, like permanent magnet motors.
 I put up those pictures of the aquarium pump being driven by a weird method, of ac motor, I haven't seen many examples of. 
 I am not sure how it works, or what it is called.
 It is slow, quiet, and torquey, and drives a little oscillating piston pump.
 Something fun to note:
 Compressed air, put to the pump will spin it, as a motor driving that disc.
 Cheers Warren

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 On Fri., 9 Aug. 2019 at 2:31 a.m., koneheadx@... [EVGRAY]
 <[email protected]> wrote:

   Hi Warren 
 With AC motors usually you need to spin the motor to a specific rpm so it will latch up witb tbe A C sinewave using an external "pony" motor to do tbis...tben disconne the pony motor afterwards. Exampke 4 pole AC motor with 60bz sinewave needs to be going 1800rpm. Of course different with rotovertor since it can start from stop using start caps. 
 So to make tbe motor in Hectors drawings loop, in or order to spin by itself, the "sweetspot" in frequency of self resonance (whatever ypu call it) needs to be also a specific frequenxy of rotation too. Maybe octaves or harmonic 5ths will be strong emough...
 I think the sweet spot in frrquency for less draw and mucb more power has similar effects asThane Karl Heinz delayed lenz effect where according to Woopys tests a few years ago with a 16 mag ns rotor and 36 ohm coil needs 2100 to 2300 rpm to get it to speed up umder load...so 2 pole rotor needs maybe 16 to 17k rpm range this why hopng octaves can work tpo so drop it down x12 or x24 less? 
 Kone

OleCool! I get it. Thank you, yet again!20mf? 40mf?How do you do it? Perhaps, I should just use my handy dandy Rotoverter capacitor tuning box, and experiment?Now, the two coils should be parallel, except one has a capacitor to shift the phase, an unspecified amount, connected in series with its connection to the other coil?Cheers Warren
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  On Sun., 11 Aug. 2019 at 7:25 a.m., [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Warren,

" It might be a challenge to run it on single phase120 volt, 60 hz AC?"
There has to be a capacitor in series with one of the stator coils to make the phase shift. Else the field isn't moving.

Regards
Ole



---In [email protected], <schoonersolsticemoon@...> wrote :

OleThank you, I did think it was a strange little motor.I never was able to run it, though it is very well made, and nothing wrong with it.
I picked it up at a scrap yard, as it was likely brought to Canada, from the UK, where it was a fish bubbler. It might be a challenge to run it on single phase120 volt, 60 hz AC?The little pump, is very precisely made, to be durable for decades.Cheers Warren
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 


On Sat., 10 Aug. 2019 at 7:08 p.m., onielsen@... [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote: 
Hi Warren,

"I put up those pictures of the aquarium pump being driven by a weird method, of ac motor, I haven't seen many examples of. 
I am not sure how it works, or what it is called."
It is driven by eddy currents and is an eddy current motor. They were used to drive the old analog electric energy meters.
Cylinder rotor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-peoqu_MRnA (1:10).
Disc rotor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViapciJ7G3k (2:55).

Two out of phase AC magnetic fields are set up in the rotor. The magnetic field made from the induced current in the rotor opposes the moving field of the two phase shifted stator coils. This pushes or drags the rotor along the moving field. The principle is like that used in Tesla's asynchronous induction motor if the iron of the rotor is omitted or exchanged to a nonmagnetic electric conductive material.

Regards
Ole


---In [email protected], <schoonersolsticemoon@...> wrote :

Hi DougYour Muller is similar to Hector's drawing, except the magnets come at right angles to the gap in the core if the coils were united by their cores in a horseshoe on either side of the magnet containing disc. Your same array of coils sit on that laminate core.The advantage of the disc is that you can have an unlimited number of magnets sequencing through the gap, like carbide teeth in a saw blade, with Hector's variable speed motor, choosing the frequency.Because of the number of magnets(easy to obtain little disc type) the rotor disc need not turn so fast, keeping everything nice, and practical, using normal stuff, like permanent magnet motors.I put up those pictures of the aquarium pump being driven by a weird method, of ac motor, I haven't seen many examples of. I am not sure how it works, or what it is called.It is slow, quiet, and torquey, and drives a little oscillating piston pump.Something fun to note:Compressed air, put to the pump will spin it, as a motor driving that disc.Cheers Warren

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On Fri., 9 Aug. 2019 at 2:31 a.m., koneheadx@... [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote: 
Hi Warren 
With AC motors usually you need to spin the motor to a specific rpm so it will latch up witb tbe A C sinewave using an external "pony" motor to do tbis...tben disconne the pony motor afterwards. Exampke 4 pole AC motor with 60bz sinewave needs to be going 1800rpm. Of course different with rotovertor since it can start from stop using start caps. 
So to make tbe motor in Hectors drawings loop, in or order to spin by itself, the "sweetspot" in frequency of self resonance (whatever ypu call it) needs to be also a specific frequenxy of rotation too. Maybe octaves or harmonic 5ths will be strong emough...
I think the sweet spot in frrquency for less draw and mucb more power has similar effects asThane Karl Heinz delayed lenz effect where according to Woopys tests a few years ago with a 16 mag ns rotor and 36 ohm coil needs 2100 to 2300 rpm to get it to speed up umder load...so 2 pole rotor needs maybe 16 to 17k rpm range this why hopng octaves can work tpo so drop it down x12 or x24 less? 
Kone





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Hi Warren,

"Perhaps, I should just use my handy dandy Rotoverter capacitor tuning box, and experiment?"
Yes. Good idea. Else use a run capacitor from a one phased motor. It's same principle. The capacitive value must be big enough to let enough current through. It only needs to be phase shifted. A small value capacitor limits the current too much.

If the voltage and frequency isn't specified put an incandescent lamp in series with the coils or use a variable transformer to find the proper operating voltage for not heating the coils. One coil goes directly to the supply and the other one has the capacitor in series before going to the supply voltage.

Regards
Ole
 

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Ole Cool! I get it. Thank you, yet again!
 20mf? 40mf?
 How do you do it? 
 Perhaps, I should just use my handy dandy Rotoverter capacitor tuning box, and experiment?
 Now, the two coils should be parallel, except one has a capacitor to shift the phase, an unspecified amount, connected in series with its connection to the other coil?
 Cheers Warren
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 On Sun., 11 Aug. 2019 at 7:25 a.m., onielsen@... [EVGRAY]
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   Hi Warren,

" It might be a challenge to run it on single phase120 volt, 60 hz AC?"
There has to be a capacitor in series with one of the stator coils to make the phase shift. Else the field isn't moving.

Regards
Ole

 

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 Ole Thank you, I did think it was a strange little motor.
 I never was able to run it, though it is very well made, and nothing wrong with it.
I picked it up at a scrap yard, as it was likely brought to Canada, from the UK, where it was a fish bubbler.
  It might be a challenge to run it on single phase120 volt, 60 hz AC?
 The little pump, is very precisely made, to be durable for decades.
 Cheers Warren
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 On Sat., 10 Aug. 2019 at 7:08 p.m., onielsen@... [EVGRAY]
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   Hi Warren,

"I put up those pictures of the aquarium pump being driven by a weird method, of ac motor, I haven't seen many examples of. 
 I am not sure how it works, or what it is called."
It is driven by eddy currents and is an eddy current motor. They were used to drive the old analog electric energy meters.
Cylinder rotor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-peoqu_MRnA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-peoqu_MRnA (1:10).
Disc rotor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViapciJ7G3k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViapciJ7G3k (2:55).

Two out of phase AC magnetic fields are set up in the rotor. The magnetic field made from the induced current in the rotor opposes the moving field of the two phase shifted stator coils. This pushes or drags the rotor along the moving field. The principle is like that used in Tesla's asynchronous induction motor if the iron of the rotor is omitted or exchanged to a nonmagnetic electric conductive material.

Regards
Ole

 

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 Hi Doug Your Muller is similar to Hector's drawing, except the magnets come at right angles to the gap in the core if the coils were united by their cores in a horseshoe on either side of the magnet containing disc. Your same array of coils sit on that laminate core.
 The advantage of the disc is that you can have an unlimited number of magnets sequencing through the gap, like carbide teeth in a saw blade, with Hector's variable speed motor, choosing the frequency.
 Because of the number of magnets(easy to obtain little disc type) the rotor disc need not turn so fast, keeping everything nice, and practical, using normal stuff, like permanent magnet motors.
 I put up those pictures of the aquarium pump being driven by a weird method, of ac motor, I haven't seen many examples of. 
 I am not sure how it works, or what it is called.
 It is slow, quiet, and torquey, and drives a little oscillating piston pump.
 Something fun to note:
 Compressed air, put to the pump will spin it, as a motor driving that disc.
 Cheers Warren

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 On Fri., 9 Aug. 2019 at 2:31 a.m., koneheadx@... [EVGRAY]
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   Hi Warren 
 With AC motors usually you need to spin the motor to a specific rpm so it will latch up witb tbe A C sinewave using an external "pony" motor to do tbis...tben disconne the pony motor afterwards. Exampke 4 pole AC motor with 60bz sinewave needs to be going 1800rpm. Of course different with rotovertor since it can start from stop using start caps. 
 So to make tbe motor in Hectors drawings loop, in or order to spin by itself, the "sweetspot" in frequency of self resonance (whatever ypu call it) needs to be also a specific frequenxy of rotation too. Maybe octaves or harmonic 5ths will be strong emough...
 I think the sweet spot in frrquency for less draw and mucb more power has similar effects asThane Karl Heinz delayed lenz effect where according to Woopys tests a few years ago with a 16 mag ns rotor and 36 ohm coil needs 2100 to 2300 rpm to get it to speed up umder load...so 2 pole rotor needs maybe 16 to 17k rpm range this why hopng octaves can work tpo so drop it down x12 or x24 less? 
 Kone