magnet hydrogen

Warren,

Would you mind posting for the group your Lexan hydrogen maker you
replicated of Bedini's?

Thanks,

Mick

Thanks Warren,

Like watching paint dry, but fascinating none the less as you proved the
postulate.  As you know from the magnetic field studies of Johnson there
are optimal ways to stack magnets, sometimes I find they have to be a
foot away from what I am working on to have the largest effect so in
other words what you proved with massive force could be improved on
geometrically.

Did not know about the pad in acid but rather the beer can.

I was buying some gas yesterday, some nitrogen for an HVAC install.  I
asked form some Helium which I need for an experiment, said they could
not sell it to me as it is rare and there is no more being made, only
going to medical institutions to run their MRI's no more party balloons
with that stuff he said.

I said OK can I buy some Hydrogen then, "oh no sir, that has been
labeled as a weapon of mass destruction by homeland security"  So that
is the strategy they intend to use to prevent us from using it for energy!

On 6/8/2019 3:44 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Mick 
>
> It was not a replication of Bedini, but I made the little experiment,
> as a result of a discussion our Bedini group was having, regarding the
> theoretical possibility of using very strong magnets, rather than
> electrical current to separate o then and hydrogen, in a manner not
> unlike the Hoffman apparatus.
> I had everything to do a test in my studio lab in Toronto, so I made
> what I imagined we were talking about.
> Using flat boiled Toronto tap water from the tea kettle, I made a
> single cell. It had a division, between two pockets of water
> sandwiched as a stack much like playing cards, about the size of a
> cell phone the water was free to move through holes located in the
> lower section of the middle. Tubes and bleed screws were able to bleed
> off either side up at the top, closed with nylon screws.
> Two big 450 lb super magnets were placed on either side opposite each
> other.
> After some time, small bubbles formed between the magnts, much like a
> glass of ginger ale, only slower.
> After a week or so, with this dull and boring experiment, a small test
> was filled using the submerged tap method. The lesser one is hydrogen,
> and gave the chracteristic sharp pop, when ignited and tilted upright
> I can't imagine excitement over this experiment!, over four computers ago.
> Need lots of hydrogen quick?
> A fine steel wool pad in sulphuric acid.
> Or my black lab after eating the neighbor's cow manure, next field
> over, so deadly hydrogen sulphide, he flaps his tail like a fan. That
> mix would power a car to the next city!
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
>     On Sat., 8 Jun. 2019 at 2:33 p.m., Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>      
>
>     Warren,
>
>     Would you mind posting for the group your Lexan hydrogen maker you
>     replicated of Bedini's?
>
>     Thanks,
>
>     Mick
>
>

Warren,

Try this sometime

https://www.greenoptimistic.com/aluminum-hydrogen-hho-soda-can/

On 6/8/2019 4:28 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
>
>
>
>
> Mick
> The Hoffman apparatus works and can easily made from plastic sewage
> pipe parts.
> Water, a tiny bit of sulphuric acid, two electrodes, two 1 1/2" 
> titanium coated spade drill bits? A solar panel.
> Cheers Warren
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
>     On Sat., 8 Jun. 2019 at 7:10 p.m., Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>      
>
>     Thanks Warren,
>
>     Like watching paint dry, but fascinating none the less as you
>     proved the postulate.  As you know from the magnetic field studies
>     of Johnson there are optimal ways to stack magnets, sometimes I
>     find they have to be a foot away from what I am working on to have
>     the largest effect so in other words what you proved with massive
>     force could be improved on geometrically.
>
>     Did not know about the pad in acid but rather the beer can.
>
>     I was buying some gas yesterday, some nitrogen for an HVAC
>     install.  I asked form some Helium which I need for an experiment,
>     said they could not sell it to me as it is rare and there is no
>     more being made, only going to medical institutions to run their
>     MRI's no more party balloons with that stuff he said.
>
>     I said OK can I buy some Hydrogen then, "oh no sir, that has been
>     labeled as a weapon of mass destruction by homeland security"  So
>     that is the strategy they intend to use to prevent us from using
>     it for energy!
>
>     On 6/8/2019 3:44 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>      
>>
>>     Mick 
>>
>>     It was not a replication of Bedini, but I made the little
>>     experiment, as a result of a discussion our Bedini group was
>>     having, regarding the theoretical possibility of using very
>>     strong magnets, rather than electrical current to separate o then
>>     and hydrogen, in a manner not unlike the Hoffman apparatus.
>>     I had everything to do a test in my studio lab in Toronto, so I
>>     made what I imagined we were talking about.
>>     Using flat boiled Toronto tap water from the tea kettle, I made a
>>     single cell. It had a division, between two pockets of water
>>     sandwiched as a stack much like playing cards, about the size of
>>     a cell phone the water was free to move through holes located in
>>     the lower section of the middle. Tubes and bleed screws were able
>>     to bleed off either side up at the top, closed with nylon screws.
>>     Two big 450 lb super magnets were placed on either side opposite
>>     each other.
>>     After some time, small bubbles formed between the magnts, much
>>     like a glass of ginger ale, only slower.
>>     After a week or so, with this dull and boring experiment, a small
>>     test was filled using the submerged tap method. The lesser one is
>>     hydrogen, and gave the chracteristic sharp pop, when ignited and
>>     tilted upright
>>     I can't imagine excitement over this experiment!, over four
>>     computers ago.
>>     Need lots of hydrogen quick?
>>     A fine steel wool pad in sulphuric acid.
>>     Or my black lab after eating the neighbor's cow manure, next
>>     field over, so deadly hydrogen sulphide, he flaps his tail like a
>>     fan. That mix would power a car to the next city!
>>     Cheers Warren
>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>
>>         On Sat., 8 Jun. 2019 at 2:33 p.m., Mick [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>          
>>
>>         Warren,
>>
>>         Would you mind posting for the group your Lexan hydrogen
>>         maker you
>>         replicated of Bedini's?
>>
>>         Thanks,
>>
>>         Mick
>>
>

Mick It was not a replication of Bedini, but I made the little experiment, as a result of a discussion our Bedini group was having, regarding the theoretical possibility of using very strong magnets, rather than electrical current to separate o then and hydrogen, in a manner not unlike the Hoffman apparatus.I had everything to do a test in my studio lab in Toronto, so I made what I imagined we were talking about.Using flat boiled Toronto tap water from the tea kettle, I made a single cell. It had a division, between two pockets of water sandwiched as a stack much like playing cards, about the size of a cell phone the water was free to move through holes located in the lower section of the middle. Tubes and bleed screws were able to bleed off either side up at the top, closed with nylon screws.Two big 450 lb super magnets were placed on either side opposite each other.After some time, small bubbles formed between the magnts, much like a glass of ginger ale, only slower.After a week or so, with this dull and boring experiment, a small test was filled using the submerged tap method. The lesser one is hydrogen, and gave the chracteristic sharp pop, when ignited and tilted uprightI can't imagine excitement over this experiment!, over four computers ago.Need lots of hydrogen quick?A fine steel wool pad in sulphuric acid.Or my black lab after eating the neighbor's cow manure, next field over, so deadly hydrogen sulphide, he flaps his tail like a fan. That mix would power a car to the next city!Cheers Warren
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sat., 8 Jun. 2019 at 2:33 p.m., Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Warren,

Would you mind posting for the group your Lexan hydrogen maker you
replicated of Bedini's?

Thanks,

Mick


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MickThe Hoffman apparatus works and can easily made from plastic sewage pipe parts.Water, a tiny bit of sulphuric acid, two electrodes, two 1 1/2"  titanium coated spade drill bits? A solar panel.Cheers Warren

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  On Sat., 8 Jun. 2019 at 7:10 p.m., Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

Thanks Warren,
 
Like watching paint dry, but fascinating none the less as you proved the postulate.  As you know from the magnetic field studies of Johnson there are optimal ways to stack magnets, sometimes I find they have to be a foot away from what I am working on to have the largest effect so in other words what you proved with massive force could be improved on geometrically.
 
Did not know about the pad in acid but rather the beer can.
 
I was buying some gas yesterday, some nitrogen for an HVAC install.  I asked form some Helium which I need for an experiment, said they could not sell it to me as it is rare and there is no more being made, only going to medical institutions to run their MRI's no more party balloons with that stuff he said.
 
 
I said OK can I buy some Hydrogen then, "oh no sir, that has been labeled as a weapon of mass destruction by homeland security"  So that is the strategy they intend to use to prevent us from using it for energy!
 
 On 6/8/2019 3:44 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Mick 
 It was not a replication of Bedini, but I made the little experiment, as a result of a discussion our Bedini group was having, regarding the theoretical possibility of using very strong magnets, rather than electrical current to separate o then and hydrogen, in a manner not unlike the Hoffman apparatus. I had everything to do a test in my studio lab in Toronto, so I made what I imagined we were talking about. Using flat boiled Toronto tap water from the tea kettle, I made a single cell. It had a division, between two pockets of water sandwiched as a stack much like playing cards, about the size of a cell phone the water was free to move through holes located in the lower section of the middle. Tubes and bleed screws were able to bleed off either side up at the top, closed with nylon screws. Two big 450 lb super magnets were placed on either side opposite each other. After some time, small bubbles formed between the magnts, much like a glass of ginger ale, only slower. After a week or so, with this dull and boring experiment, a small test was filled using the submerged tap method. The lesser one is hydrogen, and gave the chracteristic sharp pop, when ignited and tilted upright I can't imagine excitement over this experiment!, over four computers ago. Need lots of hydrogen quick? A fine steel wool pad in sulphuric acid. Or my black lab after eating the neighbor's cow manure, next field over, so deadly hydrogen sulphide, he flaps his tail like a fan. That mix would power a car to the next city! Cheers Warren
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  On Sat., 8 Jun. 2019 at 2:33 p.m., Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
Warren,
 
 Would you mind posting for the group your Lexan hydrogen maker you
 replicated of Bedini's?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Mick
 
 
       
   
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regarding the theoretical possibility of using very strong magnets, rather than electrical current to separate o then and hydrogen, 

 

 one isnt separating them, one is transmuting them from water. A magnet is a "lump of electricity'. And the cheapest of Ferrite magnets are the magnets of choice. This was explained in the difference between a neo and a ferrite. No need to complicate it with expensive apparatus. If you want to see it done in the Lab and be a participant and even own the patent if you wish.... you already know the drill.

Just for the record, lets explore the THEORY of splitting of water into two gases by magnetics with a little background info on what we learned after 1000’s of tests using everything magnetic one can find.
  
 The plan is to make a gas that behaves like the gas known as Hydrogen and another like Oxygen. 
 The Negative electrical lead is the source of the H like gas when only 2 electrodes are immersed in water. In other electrolysis experiments, it is known that in the absence of O, objects do not RUST. In the presence of H, there is longer Gevity or no rust. We have found that the South Pole makes things rusty and North Pole cleans things up. So it would be correct that the North pole of the magnets Field Energy should be isolated from the South Pole when its energy is applied to water as a MONO Pole magnet. (yes I have used that term once before) 
  
 When applying a magnet to the water in any fashion, like sticking the north pole onto a water pipe, the entire Field of the magnet is being applied which raises the energy of the water Equally. If one can place a North Pole Mono Magnet onto the water pipe, the vibrational frequency that changes the Density of the water to “Out of Equilibrium” and if its North Pole orientated it will only raise the Negative polarity of the water that is then expelled as a gas to try and maintain equilibrium. If you’ve ever listened to Joe, to explain what his cells do, the word equilibrium is one of his favourites.
 Putting electricity into water creates Out of Equilibrium. This makes it possible to determine the Polarity of the Field Generated. We name a Cell’s Field, “Negative” as it’s a MONO pole Negative Field by what the CENTER of the Field is.  This is some what explained in the pH and Ocean Whites production of electrodes in Sea Water. pH is Equilibrium.  The Negative terminal of the battery is PURE North Pole Energy. 
 Its done with magnets by a specially manufactured (already given) mild steel washer placed between two same poles. Ring magnets so water can be run through. When a mild steel washer is conditioned by its placement between two North Pole magnets, the washer will not rust. The Iron Pillar in Delhi as the Hindu’s tried to keep the tech alive a couple tribulations ago.  Don’t forget to say a prayer over the washer and introduce it to a balloon full of H. Commit that to Memory if you will after all “Everything is Water” said Thales.

Warren how's things going on your motor ? Getting near a test of some kind
.?. I know spring is here and summer so there much on your plate to do
beyond this .

On Sunday, June 9, 2019, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Just for the record, lets explore the THEORY of splitting of water into
> two gases by magnetics with a little background info on what we learned
> after 1000’s of tests using everything magnetic one can find.
>
>
>
> The plan is to make a gas that behaves like the gas known as Hydrogen and
> another like Oxygen.
>
> The Negative electrical lead is the source of the H like gas when only 2
> electrodes are immersed in water. In other electrolysis experiments, it is
> known that in the absence of O, objects do not RUST. In the presence of H,
> there is longer Gevity or no rust. We have found that the South Pole makes
> things rusty and North Pole cleans things up. So it would be correct that
> the North pole of the magnets Field Energy should be isolated from the
> South Pole when its energy is applied to water as a MONO Pole magnet. (yes
> I have used that term once before)
>
>
>
> When applying a magnet to the water in any fashion, like sticking the
> north pole onto a water pipe, the entire Field of the magnet is being
> applied which raises the energy of the water Equally. If one can place a
> North Pole Mono Magnet onto the water pipe, the vibrational frequency that
> changes the Density of the water to “Out of Equilibrium” and if its North
> Pole orientated it will only raise the Negative polarity of the water that
> is then expelled as a gas to try and maintain equilibrium. If you’ve ever
> listened to Joe, to explain what his cells do, the word equilibrium is one
> of his favourites.
>
> Putting electricity into water creates Out of Equilibrium. This makes it
> possible to determine the Polarity of the Field Generated. We name a Cell’s
> Field, “Negative” as it’s a MONO pole Negative Field by what the CENTER of
> the Field is.  This is some what explained in the pH and Ocean Whites
> production of electrodes in Sea Water. pH is Equilibrium.  The Negative
> terminal of the battery is PURE North Pole Energy.
>
> Its done with magnets by a specially manufactured (already given) mild
> steel washer placed between two same poles. Ring magnets so water can be
> run through. When a mild steel washer is conditioned by its placement
> between two North Pole magnets, the washer will not rust. The Iron Pillar
> in Delhi as the Hindu’s tried to keep the tech alive a couple tribulations
> ago.  Don’t forget to say a prayer over the washer and introduce it to a
> balloon full of H. Commit that to Memory if you will after all “Everything
> is Water” said Thales.
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>

JamesI am moving it along with a group devoted to building them.Collectively, they are evolving a good solid circuit diagram for the specific motor control circuit.A local person in Europe is making the  circuit boards, with nice broad traces, with good gaps between to handle the 400 volts DC.Meanwhile tests are being done powering up motors by members of the group.It is not easy to mechanically use these Samsung motors as the rotors are very delicate, and difficult to mount on a shaft, with an orphan, metric, 21 tooth spline.The smart guys remove the plastic Samsung hubs and make heavy duty units capable of the boost up from .9 to 18.5 hp.Duh , I made the stupid spline shaft, but I only need 2.6 kilowatts from it.My friend Tom, from Stratford, Ontario, is sourcing a 300 rpm 10 kw generator from China for his unit, he is building.So, in short it us a group work plodding along just fine, with some wonky high speed units running noisy but with good output, in spite of magnets ticking the coil cores, and sounding like sirens.It is very much a work in progress, with working units running poorly, because of shoddy mechanical engineering by amateurs.It can get better.Cheers Warren

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  On Sun., 9 Jun. 2019 at 2:46 p.m., James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Warren how's things going on your motor ? Getting near a test of some kind .?. I know spring is here and summer so there much on your plate to do beyond this .

On Sunday, June 9, 2019, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:


     


Just for the record, lets explore the THEORY of splittingof water into two gases by magnetics with a little background info on what welearned after 1000’s of tests using everything magnetic one can find.

 

The plan is to make a gas that behaves like the gas knownas Hydrogen and another like Oxygen. 

The Negative electrical lead is the source of the H likegas when only 2 electrodes are immersed in water. In other electrolysis experiments,it is known that in the absence of O, objects do not RUST. In the presence ofH, there is longer Gevity or no rust. We have found that the South Pole makesthings rusty and North Pole cleans things up. So it would be correct that theNorth pole of the magnets Field Energy should be isolated from the South Polewhen its energy is applied to water as a MONO Pole magnet. (yes I have usedthat term once before) 

 

When applying a magnet to the water in any fashion, likesticking the north pole onto a water pipe, the entire Field of the magnet isbeing applied which raises the energy of the water Equally. If one can place aNorth Pole Mono Magnet onto the water pipe, the vibrational frequency thatchanges the Density of the water to “Out of Equilibrium” and if its North Poleorientated it will only raise the Negative polarity of the water that is thenexpelled as a gas to try and maintain equilibrium. If you’ve ever listened toJoe, to explain what his cells do, the word equilibrium is one of his favourites.

Putting electricity into water creates Out ofEquilibrium. This makes it possible to determine the Polarity of the FieldGenerated. We name a Cell’s Field, “Negative” as it’s a MONO pole NegativeField by what the CENTER of the Field is. This is some what explained in the pH and Ocean Whites production ofelectrodes in Sea Water. pH is Equilibrium.  The Negative terminal of the battery is PURENorth Pole Energy. 

Its done with magnets by a specially manufactured(already given) mild steel washer placed between two same poles. Ring magnetsso water can be run through. When a mild steel washer is conditioned by itsplacement between two North Pole magnets, the washer will not rust. The Iron Pillarin Delhi as the Hindu’s tried to keep the tech alive a couple tribulations ago. Don’t forget to say a prayer over thewasher and introduce it to a balloon full of H. Commit that to Memory if youwill after all “Everything is Water” said Thales.

 

 


   
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Hi Warren 
What is this group dedicated to the pancake washing machine  motors ?
Can you give link? 
 I have two of those motors back in the states...also is Gary Porter part of group?
Kone

I really hope this is it  I'll take any over unity at this point .but a lot
would be real nice .good work warren .the board would be a,nice perk !

On Sunday, June 9, 2019, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>
> Hi Warren
> What is this group dedicated to the pancake washing machine motors ?
> Can you give link?
> I have two of those motors back in the states...also is Gary Porter part
> of group?
> Kone
> 
>

DougI have been meeting on zoom, weekly, more, or less, with a group of people researching, and building the Samsung type motor, connected to an Arduino, with a controller, to interface with the motor timing, much as you need to do with your motors.The issue at the moment is getting feedback from the motor coils, to the computer, without damaging the Arduino. Voltages of 400 volts DC can be driving the motors.
So far it is duty cycle control, limiting the actual time the voltage is applied to the coils, that prevents them from incineration, yet reaching saturation.As we both know, the back EMF exceeds the input.There are ample things to be solved.( and used)The group, so far, are altruistic, with the prime concern for making electricity free for everybody, if it can be.Thomas Buie in the US has visited via zoom with his constructions under way.He showed us a 1.5 KW unit he built, plus a shop full of various units up to 30 KW output that he is making for a Cherokee reservation, which are his neighbours.There is no follow up from any of this ,so far.Gary and his friend, are working in isolation, with much bother from folks on the internet. I'm talked to them on the phone.Working in isolation has disadvantages. They don't do machining, and must hire that out, not having cooperation with friends.America in some places, is not used to sharing, so they really struggle to do their research, and development, on their own.They are struggling to achieve any progress. The day job takes most of their available energy.Talk to Patrick Kelly, as he put me on to this group in Scandinavia, and the UK.I am not a firm part of the group, but more of a technical visitor, freely sharing what little I know.Patrick is a fine technical journalist, with his heart in the right place.I hope your projects are going well.Those Samsung motors can be a challenge to make run mechanically since the shafts and bearings must be fabricated accurately.Finally setting up my machine shop, again, is such a luxury for me. I really missed it. Without the equipment, it was like suffering from a stroke. You know how to do something, but you are unable to make it happen.Stone and mortar, stone mortar and timber. It is finally getting under control.Cheers Warren
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JamesAre you working on solving a practical problem?There seem  to be so many over unity devices out there, it is now, more a matter of finding the most practical for your situation.If you need compact, lightweight, high current output, silent, well, that's another problem.If you have setup space....You get the picture.It's still a work in progress like James Watt building a three story high steam engine capable of 3 hp, just to pump water out of a Cornish mine.Cheers Warren

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  On Mon., 10 Jun. 2019 at 12:43 a.m., James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
I really hope this is it  I'll take any over unity at this point .but a lot would be real nice .good work warren .the board would be a,nice perk ! 

On Sunday, June 9, 2019, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:


     
Hi Warren 
What is this group dedicated to the pancake washing machine motors ?
Can you give link? 
 I have two of those motors back in the states...also is Gary Porter part of group?
Kone

   
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Well at the moment I'm trying to solve in my face troubles from heat and
refrigeration .and sanitation .this year might be a time of answers . the
heat is real bad at night so I'm running a underground pipe about a hundred
ft .at 30 inches down to able me to sleep .it seems that it cost around two
hundred dollars to solve a problem here and theres several .I can't work if
I can't sleep .so first things first .but I'm waiting on pins and nettles
concering this motor research .

On Monday, June 10, 2019, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> James
> Are you working on solving a practical problem?There seem
>   to be so many over unity devices out there, it is now, more a matter of
> finding the most practical for your situation.
> If you need compact, lightweight, high current output, silent, well,
> that's another problem.
> If you have setup space....
> You get the picture.
> It's still a work in progress like James Watt building a three story high
> steam engine capable of 3 hp, just to pump water out of a Cornish mine.
> Cheers Warren
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
> On Mon., 10 Jun. 2019 at 12:43 a.m., James Glinski [email protected]
> [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> I really hope this is it  I'll take any over unity at this point .but a
> lot would be real nice .good work warren .the board would be a,nice perk !
>
> On Sunday, June 9, 2019, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Warren
> What is this group dedicated to the pancake washing machine motors ?
> Can you give link?
> I have two of those motors back in the states...also is Gary Porter part
> of group?
> Kone
>
> 
>

JamesSo am I here, with my motor project.One fellow, in the meeting last night, described running his motor at 700 rpm, extremely powerfully, at 120 watts, and 360 volts DC.His feed back software to the Arduino was starting to get glitchy above that speed.It ran silently, except for bearing noise.(use good sealed bearings, and don't cheap out there)My ham friend Tom, has found 300 rpm 10 kw generators in China, which sound interesting.It is looking promising, and practical, and may turn out much cheaper than solar panels.I am disgruntled with my solar panels. I got them for scrap price, but the racking for the roofs, and the meter, as well as the inverter, that has to be certified, is looking expensive. My new steel barn roof is slick as an ice rink, three and a half stories up. Putting the 20 kw panels on, so as to not wreck a perfect job up there, is not for gimppy old farts, like me.So they are sitting in the shed for now. The local utility company will now only pay a pittance for power going back to the grid, but still gives you a percentage off your bill.I can heat hot water tanks, or pump up water to the top of the silo to run a turbine during the night, but we can hit -30C in the winter, and it is useless having antifreeze shit in the water, for irrigation in the Summer, and further, it will end up in our well.
Cheers Warren
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  On Mon., 10 Jun. 2019 at 10:32 p.m., James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Well at the moment I'm trying to solve in my face troubles from heat and refrigeration .and sanitation .this year might be a time of answers . the heat is real bad at night so I'm running a underground pipe about a hundred ft .at 30 inches down to able me to sleep .it seems that it cost around two hundred dollars to solve a problem here and theres several ..I can't work if I can't sleep .so first things first .but I'm waiting on pins and nettles concering this motor research .

On Monday, June 10, 2019, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:


     
James
Are you working on solving a practical problem?There seem  to be so many over unity devices out there, it is now, more a matter of finding the most practical for your situation.If you need compact, lightweight, high current output, silent, well, that's another problem.If you have setup space....You get the picture.It's still a work in progress like James Watt building a three story high steam engine capable of 3 hp, just to pump water out of a Cornish mine.Cheers Warren

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  On Mon., 10 Jun. 2019 at 12:43 a.m., James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
I really hope this is it  I'll take any over unity at this point .but a lot would be real nice .good work warren .the board would be a,nice perk ! 

On Sunday, June 9, 2019, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:


     
Hi Warren 
What is this group dedicated to the pancake washing machine motors ?
Can you give link? 
 I have two of those motors back in the states...also is Gary Porter part of group?
Kone

   
    


   
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Warren if you have a standard old electrical meter. Your panels can zero it
out .and you'll have a very low power bill.so don't use the barn just make
a out side pavilion for summer lunch's and mount them on that .sounds like
the governing authority's are in bed with the utility companies .if there
putting up road blocks .ant that the way of things .I'm using a tech for
India for my night air-conditioning .it's putting a pipe in the ground like
30 inch's down and 100 ft long .when done it will pull in the ground temp
in to cool my sleeping. Area at 65 deges it should be better than
suffocating from the heat and run at 12 Watts .iwas thinking that a three
phase motor like the type used on the RV set up .you were thinking of
working on don Smith again and I had a thought .you know about the
electrical currents in the ground when you douse for water looking for a
well .those currents come from flowing under ground water flowing .what if
you find one and use that for your earth ground ?.may be nothing but don
did talk a lot about the ground energy .there easy to find .I bought an
arduino unit but where the hell is it it's been to long comming !. I'll
have to contract them .

On Tuesday, June 11, 2019, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> James
> So am I here, with my motor project.
> One fellow, in the meeting last night, described running his motor at 700
> rpm, extremely powerfully, at 120 watts, and 360 volts DC.
> His feed back software to the Arduino was starting to get glitchy above
> that speed.
> It ran silently, except for bearing noise.(use good sealed bearings, and
> don't cheap out there)
> My ham friend Tom, has found 300 rpm 10 kw generators in China, which
> sound interesting.
> It is looking promising, and practical, and may turn out much cheaper than
> solar panels.
> I am disgruntled with my solar panels. I got them for scrap price, but the
> racking for the roofs, and the meter, as well as the inverter, that has to
> be certified, is looking expensive. My new steel barn roof is slick as an
> ice rink, three and a half stories up. Putting the 20 kw panels on, so as
> to not wreck a perfect job up there, is not for gimppy old farts, like me.
> So they are sitting in the shed for now. The local utility company will
> now only pay a pittance for power going back to the grid, but still gives
> you a percentage off your bill.
> I can heat hot water tanks, or pump up water to the top of the silo to run
> a turbine during the night, but we can hit -30C in the winter, and it is
> useless having antifreeze shit in the water, for irrigation in the Summer,
> and further, it will end up in our well.
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
> On Mon., 10 Jun. 2019 at 10:32 p.m., James Glinski [email protected]
> [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Well at the moment I'm trying to solve in my face troubles from heat and
> refrigeration .and sanitation .this year might be a time of answers . the
> heat is real bad at night so I'm running a underground pipe about a hundred
> ft .at 30 inches down to able me to sleep .it seems that it cost around two
> hundred dollars to solve a problem here and theres several ..I can't work
> if I can't sleep .so first things first .but I'm waiting on pins and
> nettles concering this motor research .
>
> On Monday, June 10, 2019, Warren Keillor [email protected]
> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> James
> Are you working on solving a practical problem?There seem
>   to be so many over unity devices out there, it is now, more a matter of
> finding the most practical for your situation.
> If you need compact, lightweight, high current output, silent, well,
> that's another problem.
> If you have setup space....
> You get the picture.
> It's still a work in progress like James Watt building a three story high
> steam engine capable of 3 hp, just to pump water out of a Cornish mine.
> Cheers Warren
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
> On Mon., 10 Jun. 2019 at 12:43 a.m., James Glinski [email protected]
> [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> I really hope this is it  I'll take any over unity at this point .but a
> lot would be real nice .good work warren .the board would be a,nice perk !
>
> On Sunday, June 9, 2019, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Warren
> What is this group dedicated to the pancake washing machine motors ?
> Can you give link?
> I have two of those motors back in the states...also is Gary Porter part
> of group?
> Kone
>
> 
>

JamesThe RV ,according to Hector's notes he sent in recently, looks as if it might easily loop.Mine is 1.614 over unity, and it can loop, I bet.It would have to use the Rene charger on the transformer 20 volt tap, to charge as many batteries as you have, using the Bendini observation. Then you would need a a battery sequencer, maybe, with a timer?It certainly will loop in a number of different ways, but I think we can do better, simpler, and easier, when one gets down to using one's hands and trying stuff.Cheers Warren
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Tue., 11 Jun. 2019 at 11:40 a.m., James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Warren if you have a standard old electrical meter. Your panels can zero it out .and you'll have a very low power bill.so don't use the barn just make a out side pavilion for summer lunch's and mount them on that .sounds like the governing authority's are in bed with the utility companies .if there putting up road blocks .ant that the way of things .I'm using a tech for India for my night air-conditioning .it's putting a pipe in the ground like 30 inch's down and 100 ft long .when done it will pull in the ground temp in to cool my sleeping. Area at 65 deges it should be better than suffocating from the heat and run at 12 Watts .iwas thinking that a three phase motor like the type used on the RV set up .you were thinking of working on don Smith again and I had a thought .you know about the electrical currents in the ground when you douse for water looking for a well .those currents come from flowing under ground water flowing .what if you find one and use that for your earth ground ?.may be nothing but don did talk a lot about the ground energy .there easy to find .I bought an arduino unit but where the hell is it it's been to long comming !. I'll have to contract them .

On Tuesday, June 11, 2019, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:


     
James
So am I here, with my motor project.One fellow, in the meeting last night, described running his motor at 700 rpm, extremely powerfully, at 120 watts, and 360 volts DC.His feed back software to the Arduino was starting to get glitchy above that speed.It ran silently, except for bearing noise.(use good sealed bearings, and don't cheap out there)My ham friend Tom, has found 300 rpm 10 kw generators in China, which sound interesting.It is looking promising, and practical, and may turn out much cheaper than solar panels.I am disgruntled with my solar panels. I got them for scrap price, but the racking for the roofs, and the meter, as well as the inverter, that has to be certified, is looking expensive. My new steel barn roof is slick as an ice rink, three and a half stories up. Putting the 20 kw panels on, so as to not wreck a perfect job up there, is not for gimppy old farts, like me.So they are sitting in the shed for now. The local utility company will now only pay a pittance for power going back to the grid, but still gives you a percentage off your bill.I can heat hot water tanks, or pump up water to the top of the silo to run a turbine during the night, but we can hit -30C in the winter, and it is useless having antifreeze shit in the water, for irrigation in the Summer, and further, it will end up in our well.
Cheers Warren
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Mon., 10 Jun. 2019 at 10:32 p.m., James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Well at the moment I'm trying to solve in my face troubles from heat and refrigeration .and sanitation .this year might be a time of answers . the heat is real bad at night so I'm running a underground pipe about a hundred ft .at 30 inches down to able me to sleep .it seems that it cost around two hundred dollars to solve a problem here and theres several ...I can't work if I can't sleep .so first things first .but I'm waiting on pins and nettles concering this motor research .

On Monday, June 10, 2019, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:


     
James
Are you working on solving a practical problem?There seem  to be so many over unity devices out there, it is now, more a matter of finding the most practical for your situation.If you need compact, lightweight, high current output, silent, well, that's another problem.If you have setup space....You get the picture.It's still a work in progress like James Watt building a three story high steam engine capable of 3 hp, just to pump water out of a Cornish mine.Cheers Warren

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Mon., 10 Jun. 2019 at 12:43 a.m., James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
I really hope this is it  I'll take any over unity at this point .but a lot would be real nice .good work warren .the board would be a,nice perk ! 

On Sunday, June 9, 2019, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:


     
Hi Warren 
What is this group dedicated to the pancake washing machine motors ?
Can you give link? 
 I have two of those motors back in the states...also is Gary Porter part of group?
Kone

   
    


   
    


   
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Well I was thinking of using the motor as a generator for the 400 volt
pluse motor .to genererate ac

On Tuesday, June 11, 2019, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
>
> James
> The RV ,according to Hector's notes he sent in recently, looks as if it
> might easily loop.
> Mine is 1.614 over unity, and it can loop, I bet.
> It would have to use the Rene charger on the transformer 20 volt tap, to
> charge as many batteries as you have, using the Bendini observation. Then
> you would need a a battery sequencer, maybe, with a timer?
> It certainly will loop in a number of different ways, but I think we can
> do better, simpler, and easier, when one gets down to using one's hands and
> trying stuff.
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
> On Tue., 11 Jun. 2019 at 11:40 a.m., James Glinski [email protected]
> [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Warren if you have a standard old electrical meter. Your panels can zero
> it out .and you'll have a very low power bill.so don't use the barn just
> make a out side pavilion for summer lunch's and mount them on that .sounds
> like the governing authority's are in bed with the utility companies .if
> there putting up road blocks .ant that the way of things .I'm using a tech
> for India for my night air-conditioning .it's putting a pipe in the ground
> like 30 inch's down and 100 ft long .when done it will pull in the ground
> temp in to cool my sleeping. Area at 65 deges it should be better than
> suffocating from the heat and run at 12 Watts .iwas thinking that a three
> phase motor like the type used on the RV set up .you were thinking of
> working on don Smith again and I had a thought .you know about the
> electrical currents in the ground when you douse for water looking for a
> well .those currents come from flowing under ground water flowing .what if
> you find one and use that for your earth ground ?.may be nothing but don
> did talk a lot about the ground energy .there easy to find .I bought an
> arduino unit but where the hell is it it's been to long comming !. I'll
> have to contract them .
>
> On Tuesday, June 11, 2019, Warren Keillor [email protected]
> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> James
> So am I here, with my motor project.
> One fellow, in the meeting last night, described running his motor at 700
> rpm, extremely powerfully, at 120 watts, and 360 volts DC.
> His feed back software to the Arduino was starting to get glitchy above
> that speed.
> It ran silently, except for bearing noise.(use good sealed bearings, and
> don't cheap out there)
> My ham friend Tom, has found 300 rpm 10 kw generators in China, which
> sound interesting.
> It is looking promising, and practical, and may turn out much cheaper than
> solar panels.
> I am disgruntled with my solar panels. I got them for scrap price, but the
> racking for the roofs, and the meter, as well as the inverter, that has to
> be certified, is looking expensive. My new steel barn roof is slick as an
> ice rink, three and a half stories up. Putting the 20 kw panels on, so as
> to not wreck a perfect job up there, is not for gimppy old farts, like me.
> So they are sitting in the shed for now. The local utility company will
> now only pay a pittance for power going back to the grid, but still gives
> you a percentage off your bill.
> I can heat hot water tanks, or pump up water to the top of the silo to run
> a turbine during the night, but we can hit -30C in the winter, and it is
> useless having antifreeze shit in the water, for irrigation in the Summer,
> and further, it will end up in our well.
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
> On Mon., 10 Jun. 2019 at 10:32 p.m., James Glinski [email protected]
> [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Well at the moment I'm trying to solve in my face troubles from heat and
> refrigeration .and sanitation .this year might be a time of answers . the
> heat is real bad at night so I'm running a underground pipe about a hundred
> ft .at 30 inches down to able me to sleep .it seems that it cost around two
> hundred dollars to solve a problem here and theres several ...I can't work
> if I can't sleep .so first things first .but I'm waiting on pins and
> nettles concering this motor research .
>
> On Monday, June 10, 2019, Warren Keillor [email protected]
> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> James
> Are you working on solving a practical problem?There seem
>   to be so many over unity devices out there, it is now, more a matter of
> finding the most practical for your situation.
> If you need compact, lightweight, high current output, silent, well,
> that's another problem.
> If you have setup space....
> You get the picture.
> It's still a work in progress like James Watt building a three story high
> steam engine capable of 3 hp, just to pump water out of a Cornish mine.
> Cheers Warren
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
> On Mon., 10 Jun. 2019 at 12:43 a.m., James Glinski [email protected]
> [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> I really hope this is it  I'll take any over unity at this point .but a
> lot would be real nice .good work warren .the board would be a,nice perk !
>
> On Sunday, June 9, 2019, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Warren
> What is this group dedicated to the pancake washing machine motors ?
> Can you give link?
> I have two of those motors back in the states...also is Gary Porter part
> of group?
> Kone
>
> 
>

Quite true !  

Watts in  AxVxPF= watts 

watts out ((( A1+A2+A3 / 3 x V1+V2+V3 / 3 ) X√3) X pf ) = WATTS  out 

watts Out / watts in = OU 

in a simple out of the box RV 

(H)