Re: [EVGRAY] Re: Gary Porter looper ready to bideo lnk

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On Sat, 1/26/19, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Re: Gary Porter looper ready to bideo lnk
 To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
 Received: Saturday, January 26, 2019, 9:57 PM
 
 
  
 
 
 
 Thanks Warren,

I actually  asked what  'down ACROSS  the brushes' means .

I learned electronik components and their function some decades ago,
of course a lot changed since then, not much to better, but we had of course 
bridge rectifier in class.

If you connect the DC motors over a bridge rec. on the brush connectors,
 as i understud, you connect the motors parallel atleast for a half wave. 
That would caused 50 percent more current draw, atleast. but you wrote the current draw did not increase
and on 10 motor you had still more voltage then you putted in the first.

I  still do not know what '' DOWN ACROSS THE BRUSHES'' means exactly.




 
 
     
       
       
       JakobOn
 a bridge rectifier chip there are two AC "legs" or
 wires coming out, the other two are the full wave rectified
 DC + - Putting
 the ac across the two brush wires of a dc motor, can capture
 the
 Power that usually manifests itself as
 the blue arc at the brushes, and allow it to be sent on, to
 do useful work, like power yet another dc motor.Diode
 bridge rectifiers are cheap and very useful components to
 have a little drawer full of, for general needs in our
 experiments.Cheers
 Warren
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    On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 at 5:45
 PM, Jakob Wall [email protected]
 [EVGRAY]<[email protected]>
 wrote:   
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
     
       
       
       Warren, a couple month ago i asked for definition
 of your phrase ,
 
 
 
 For this, put a bridge rectifier of 1000 volts, AC legs
 ' DOWN ACROSS ' the brushes, sending the DC out to
 somewhere useful, solving the brush burnout.
 
 
 
 but you did't had time back then to answer every stupid
 question, maybe now is a good time
 
 to say what  'down ACROSS  the brushes' means?
 Thanks.
 
 
 
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 On Sat, 1/26/19, Warren Keillor
 [email protected] [EVGRAY]
 <[email protected]> wrote:
 
 
 
 Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Re: Gary Porter looper ready to bideo
 lnk
 
  To: "[email protected]"
 <[email protected]>
 
  Received: Saturday, January 26, 2019, 2:37 PM
 
  
 
  
 
   
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
    
 
  
 
  
 
      
 
        
 
        
 
        MickI
 
  have found the same DC motor able to go from 100 rpm to
 
  10.000, if the balance, and bearings, are good.
 
  You may get a minor furnace at the brushes, at
 
  higher voltages though.For
 
  this, put a bridge rectifier of 1000 volts, AC legs down
 
  across the brushes, sending the DC out to somewhere
 useful,
 
  solving the brush burnout.Cheers
 
  Warren
 
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  from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
     On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 at 3:00
 
  PM, Mick [email protected]
 
  [EVGRAY]<[email protected]>
 
  wrote:   
 
   
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
    
 
  
 
  
 
      
 
        
 
        
 
        
 
    
 
    
 
      Hector, 
 
  
 
      
 
      What
 
  speed DC motor works really well for this 1800, 3600? 
 and
 
        are higher voltage motors any better than the
 lower
 
  voltage, or
 
        vis versa?  
 
  
 
        Lets say if the end game is building something
 serious
 
  but
 
        somewhat compact and reliable with enough output
 to
 
  get one under
 
        some serious surveillance.
 
      I imagine the higher the RPM the less necessary
 
  larger caps.
 
  
 
      
 
      On 1/26/2019 12:26 PM,
 
        [email protected]
 
  [EVGRAY] wrote:
 
  
 
      
 
      
 
        
 
         
 
        
 
            
 
              
 
  
 
                Have the capacitor charge and at its null
 
  neutral
 
                discharge it with the non reflecting diode
 
  plug method ,
 
                say for 9 phases 18 diodes , 18 capacitors
 and
 
  18 trigger
 
                scr switches.
 
  
 
                
 
  
 
                remember that i had given this in segments
 
  each segment
 
                has specific applications and effects .
 
  
 
                
 
  
 
                assemble them and you have year 2500 ZPE
 
  technology .
 
  
 
                
 
  
 
                list of basic things, way to capture an RE
 
  signal and
 
                transfer it to a JOULE potential as a dc
 
  voltage in a
 
                capacitor.  
 
  
 
                
 
  
 
                Way to discharge this potential with no
 
  reflection to
 
                source ..
 
  
 
                
 
  
 
                relate to Normans neutral spike and you
 have
 
  it all ! 
 
  
 
                
 
  
 
                OU is transformation taking energy from
 one
 
  domain and
 
                converting it to another .
 
  
 
                
 
  
 
                 
 
  
 
                
 
  
 
                (H)  
 
  
 
                
 
  
 
                ---In [email protected],
 
                <schoonersolsticemoon@...>
 
  wrote :
 
  
 
                
 
  
 
              
 
              Hector
 
                Is
 
                  it then better to rectify the AC as soon
 as
 
  it is made
 
                  at the coil, so that it can be combined as
 a
 
  high
 
                  current DC, with the product of the
 other
 
  coils in
 
                  parallel?
 
                Buffering
 
                  this in a capacitor, then inverting it,
 if
 
  one wants AC,
 
                  that can be then changed to the voltage
 
  output, one may
 
                  want?
 
                The
 
                  trick is to have a simple stupid
 
  
 
                  Inverter that has no brain that shuts it
 
  off, when high,
 
                  or low signals, are recieved, due to
 
  fluctuations in the
 
                  power.
 
                I
 
                  used deep cycle 6 volt batteries, instead
 of
 
  a
 
                  capacitor, but would rather not, if
 possible
 
  to replace
 
                  them.
 
                The
 
                  do seem to suck up any signal coming to
 
  them, though,
 
                  and make it tame.
 
                Cheers
 
                  Warren
 
  
 
                  Sent
 
  from Yahoo Mail on
 
                      Android
 
                  
 
  
 
                  
 
                      
 
                        
 
                          On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 at 7:13 AM,
 
                            arkresearch@... [EVGRAY]
 
                          <[email protected]>
 
  wrote:
 
                        
 
                        
 
                          
 
                            
 
                               
 
                              
 
                                
 
                                  
 
                                    
 
  
 
                                      In RV triple flux
 
  capacitor was used
 
                                      to excite alternator
 
  
 
                                      ,rectified at WYE
 center
 
  to get DC 
 
  
 
                                      
 
  
 
                                      
 
  
 
                                      
 
  
 
                                      
 
  
 
                                      
 
  
 
                                       in multi phase WYE
 DC
 
  motor 
 
  
 
                                      you have an 3x3 flux
 
  impedance (9
 
                                      coils) within a
 common
 
  WYE center  .
 
  
 
                                      
 
  
 
                                      can use 9 capacitors
 18
 
  diode
 
                                      bridge  to play
 ...use
 
  40 phases
 
                                      make that 40 caps
 
  
 
                                      80 diode bridge to
 dc
 
  conversion
 
                                      adding the 40 coil
 
  shorting gates to
 
                                      the coils  . 
 
  
 
                                      
 
  
 
                                      
 
  
 
                                      (H)
 
  
 
                                      
 
  
 
                                      
 
  
 
                                      
 
  
 
                                      ---In
 [email protected],
 
                                      <mkjekyll@...>
 
  wrote :
 
  
 
                                      
 
  
 
                                    
 
                                    
 
                                      Hi Ole,
 
                                      Why u instead of V?
 
  
 
  
 
                                        Yes the inductor is
 a
 
  current
 
                                        source and acts as
 a
 
  current
 
                                        flywheel, good
 
  metaphor.  
 
  
 
                                        
 
  
 
                                        Can you explain
 the
 
  fabled flux
 
                                        capacitor of
 Faraday
 
  and what may
 
                                        indeed be
 considered
 
  as such if
 
                                        one uses plasma
 states
 
  for
 
                                        instance?  
 
  
 
                                      
 
                                      On
 
                                        1/25/2019 1:33 PM,
 onielsen@...
 
                                        [EVGRAY] wrote:
 
  
 
                                      
 
                                       
 
                                          
 
                                          
 
                                            Hi Norman,
 
  Mick,
 
  
 
                                              
 
  
 
                                              "...a
 
                                                  reverse
 
  current is being
 
                                                  induced
 into
 
  the iron
 
                                                  core
 coil
 
  with the
 
                                                  reverse
 
  polarity."
 
  
 
                                              The current
 
  continues in the
 
                                              same
 direction
 
  while the
 
                                              voltage or
 
  tension changes
 
                                              sign. The
 
  current can't be
 
                                              stopped or
 
  having its
 
                                              direction
 
  changed in a jump
 
                                              as it is
 always
 
  continuous.
 
                                              It would be
 like
 
  immediately
 
                                              stopping or
 
  changing the
 
                                              direction of
 a
 
  running
 
                                              flywheel.
 The
 
  force required
 
                                              or given off
 is
 
  like the
 
                                              voltage when
 
  speaking coils.
 
                                              The voltage
 or
 
  force will be
 
                                              of infinite
 size
 
  if the
 
                                              change
 happens
 
  in an
 
                                              instant. The
 
  current starts
 
                                              decreasing
 from
 
  whatever
 
                                              value it has
 at
 
  the
 
                                              disruption.
 Only
 
  how fast is
 
                                              related to
 the
 
  size of the
 
                                              induced
 voltage
 
  (u = L x
 
                                              di/dt) where
 u
 
  is the
 
                                              voltage, L
 is
 
  the inductance
 
                                              of the coil,
 i
 
  is the
 
                                              current and t
 is
 
  time. di/dt
 
                                              is the slope
 of
 
  the current.
 
  
 
                                              
 
  
 
                                              Regards
 
  
 
                                              Ole
 
  
 
                                              
 
  
 
                                              
 
  
 
                                              ---In
 [email protected],
 
                                             
 <nwootan@...>
 
                                              wrote :
 
  
 
                                              
 
  
 
                                            
 
                                            
 
                                              Mick, first
 
  envision a
 
                                               
 North-South
 
  magnetic poles
 
                                                embedded
 in
 
  flywheel. When
 
                                                the
 
  North-South magnets
 
                                                bridge the
 
  first two poles
 
                                                of the
 stator
 
  (rotation) a
 
                                                forward
 going
 
  current is
 
                                                induced
 into
 
  iron core
 
                                                coil and
 at
 
  same time
 
                                                charges up
 
  condenser to
 
                                                max.
 Important
 
  note here
 
                                                is that
 the
 
  impedance of
 
                                                coil is LC
 
  matched to the
 
                                                value of
 the
 
  condenser.  
 
                                                When the
 
  North-South
 
                                                magnets
 move
 
  over to the
 
                                                middle and
 
  last poles,
 
                                                breaker
 points
 
  open and at
 
                                                same time
 a
 
  reverse
 
                                                current is
 
  being induced
 
                                                into the
 iron
 
  core coil
 
                                                with the
 
  reverse polarity,
 
                                                the
 condenser
 
  discharges
 
                                                through
 coil
 
  windings to
 
                                                frame
 ground.
 
  With the
 
                                                condenser
 
  being charged
 
                                                via the
 
  forward going
 
                                                current,
 1st
 
  step, when it
 
                                                discharges
 
  into coil a
 
                                                reverse
 
  current is being
 
                                                induced by
 
  moving magnets.
 
                                                In effect
 you
 
  have
 
                                                opposing
 
  currents,
 
                                                opposite
 
  polarity,
 
                                               
 
  (BUCKING-OPPOSED)  which
 
                                                cause a
 
  miniature magnetic
 
                                                flux
 
  annihilation event
 
                                                and a
 
  MAGNETO-ELECTRIC,
 
                                                micro EMP
 
  event. That is
 
                                                the reason
 the
 
  old
 
                                                magnetos
 had
 
  such a
 
                                                powerful
 spark
 
  even when
 
                                                you turned
 
  them by hand at
 
                                                super low
 
  RPM.    I worked
 
                                                on
 thousands
 
  of them on my
 
                                                magneto
 test
 
  bench.  Norm
 
  
 
                                              
 
                                              On
 
                                                1/25/2019
 9:20
 
  AM, Mick mkjekyll@...
 
                                                [EVGRAY]
 
  wrote:
 
  
 
                                              
 
                                             
 
   
 
                                                  
 
                                                  
 
                                                     
 
                                                   
 
  Norm,
 
                                                    So
 this
 
  is the same
 
                                                     
 effect
 
  from the 3
 
                                                      pole
 
  magneto you
 
                                                     
 showed
 
  us, when the
 
                                                      cap
 
  discharges
 
                                                     
 during
 
  the
 
                                                     
 
  collapsing flyback
 
                                                     
 pulse
 
  and compresses
 
                                                      the
 
  delta?
 
                                                    Were
 
  three poles
 
                                                      used
 in
 
  parallel in
 
                                                      order
 to
 
  make sure
 
                                                      the
 iron
 
  was fully
 
                                                     
 
  saturated even at
 
                                                      low
 
  speed in the old
 
                                                     
 
  magneto?
 
  
 
                                                    
 
                                                    On
 
                                                     
 
  1/25/2019 9:35 AM,
 
                                                     
 Norman
 
  Wootan nwootan@...
 
  [EVGRAY] wrote:
 
  
 
                                                    
 
                                                   
 
    
 
                                                      
 
                                                        
 
  
 
                                                       
 
  Your quote,
 
                                                         
 feed
 
  it a
 
                                                         
 
  reverse
 
                                                         
 
  potential as
 
                                                         
 
  voltage is
 
                                                         
 
  maximal peaking
 
                                                         
 and
 
  you have a
 
                                                         
 
  mother of an EMP
 
                                                         
 
  neutral spike on
 
                                                         
 your
 
  hands
 
                                                         
 
  !      
 
                                                         
 
  Yeeeeeeaaaaah! 
 
                                                         
 
  Hector my
 
                                                         
 
  friend, you got
 
                                                         
 it
 
  exactly
 
                                                         
 
  right. In all my
 
                                                         
 
  experience with
 
                                                         
 old
 
  time
 
                                                         
 
  magnetos, this
 
                                                         
 is
 
  exactly how
 
                                                         
 the
 
  conderser
 
                                                         
 
  discharge
 
                                                         
 
  through the
 
                                                         
 
  primary windings
 
                                                         
 
  happens with
 
                                                         
 
  reverse
 
                                                         
 
  polarity.  Bang,
 
                                                         
 you
 
  get a sharp
 
                                                         
 
  crack spark
 
                                                         
 
  discharge in the
 
                                                         
 
  bright blue wave
 
                                                         
 
  lengths.  Not a
 
                                                         
 
  measily  orange
 
                                                         
 
  spark without
 
                                                         
 any
 
  zip to it. 
 
                                                         
 The
 
  5HP
 
                                                         
 
  compressor, EMP
 
                                                         
 test
 
  I did works
 
                                                         
 this
 
  way.
 
  
 
                                                        
 
                                                        On
 
                                                         
 
  1/25/2019 6:35
 
                                                         
 AM,
 
  arkresearch@...
 
                                                         
 
  [EVGRAY] wrote:
 
  
 
                                                        
 
                                                       
 
    
 
                                                          
 
                                                          
 
 
  If you
 
                                                          
 
 
  short a coil
 
                                                          
 
 
  current
 
                                                          
 
 
  becomes
 
                                                          
 
 
  maximal
 
                                                          
 
 
  voltage stays
 
                                                          
 
 
  lag at zero
 
                                                          
 
 
  upon max core
 
                                                          
 
 
  saturation ,
 
                                                          
 
 
  then at short
 
                                                          
 
 
  cut off
 
                                                          
 
 
  ,voltage
 
                                                          
 
 
  becomes
 
                                                          
 
 
  leading and
 
                                                          
 
 
  maximal as
 
                                                          
 
 
  current drop
 
                                                           
 to
 
  zero ...
 
                                                          
 
 
  basic RF
 
                                                          
 
 
  neutral spike
 
                                                          
 
 
  dynamics !
 
  
 
                                                          
 
 
  
 
  
 
                                                          
 
 
  feed it a
 
                                                          
 
 
  reverse
 
                                                          
 
 
  potential as
 
                                                          
 
 
  voltage is
 
                                                          
 
 
  maximal
 
                                                          
 
 
  peaking and
 
                                                          
 
 
  you have a
 
                                                          
 
 
  mother of an
 
                                                          
 
 
  EMP neutral
 
                                                          
 
 
  spike on your
 
                                                          
 
 
  hands !  
 
  
 
                                                          
 
 
  
 
  
 
                                                          
 
 
  (H)   other
 
                                                          
 
 
  methods are
 
                                                          
 
 
  applicable ,,,
 
                                                          
 
 
  rotary is best
 
                                                          
 
 
  for simplicity
 
                                                           
 ,
 
  
 
  
 
                                                          
 
 
  
 
  
 
                                                          
 
 
  
 
  
 
                                                          
 
 
  
 
  
 
                                                          
 
 
  
 
  
 
                                                          
 
 
  
 
                                                          
 
 
  
 
  
 
                                                          
 
 
  
 
  
 
                                                          
 
 
  ---In [email protected],
 
                                                           
 <konehead@...>
 
                                                          
 
 
  wrote :
 
  
 
                                                          
 
 
  
 
  
 
                                                          
 
 
  Hi
 
                                                          
 
 
  Mick
 
  
 
                                                          
 
 
  "would require
 
                                                          
 
 
  shorting to
 
                                                          
 
 
  saturate the
 
                                                          
 
 
  core from
 
                                                          
 
 
  passing a
 
                                                          
 
 
  magnet"
 
  
 
                                                          
 
 
  Did you mean:
 
  
 
                                                          
 
 
  "would require
 
                                                          
 
 
  shorting to
 
                                                          
 
 
  saturate the
 
                                                          
 
 
  core from a
 
                                                          
 
 
  passing
 
                                                          
 
 
  magnet" ?
 
  
 
                                                           
 I
 
  don't know
 
                                                          
 
 
  something
 
                                                          
 
 
  else?
 
  
 
                                                          
 
 
  Also wouldn't
 
                                                           
 a
 
  shorted coil
 
                                                          
 
 
  become rf
 
                                                          
 
 
  transmitter
 
                                                          
 
 
  not so much an
 
                                                          
 
 
  antenna?
 
  
 
                                                          
 
 
  Anyways still
 
                                                          
 
 
  confused but
 
                                                          
 
 
  just half way
 
                                                          
 
 
  confused now..
 
  
 
                                                          
 
 
  Kone
 
                                                          
 
 
  
 
                                                         
 
  
 
                                                       
 
  
 
                                                      
 
                                                   
 
  
 
                                                  
 
                                                
 
                                              
 
                                            
 
                                          
 
                                        
 
                                      
 
                                    
 
                                  
 
                                
 
                              
 
                            
 
                          
 
                        
 
                      
 
                    
 
                
 
              
 
            
 
            
 
        
 
        
 
        
 
        
 
      
 
    
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
      
 
       
 
  
 
      
 
      
 
  
 
  
 
   
 
  
 
  
 
      
 
       
 
  
 
      
 
      
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
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