Re: [EVGRAY] Gary Porter looper ready to bideo lnk

Hi That
Maybe fields not meant to alternate polarity. But rather all pulsed one way then flyback spike and  perhaps actual back emf is harvested? 
Perhaps flyback spike harvested and back emf cancelled?
Left out in diagram I think is rotovertor mode with For example if 3ph motor,  2 phases pulsed and 3rd phase bridged with cap (somehow) l wonder how that would work in DC
Kone

I just caught this so will pass it on. May well be already known but the devil is in the details.
Refering back to Hectors solo post of the diagrams, the one to the left is in fact showing a 
WYE setup in that the brushes are + and - and all the other ends of the coils of the armature
are tied to each other. Not to a source. That would become a radical rewind of the armature
to single fields alternating N and S. 
  This makes it N and S with overlapping fields and I am hooked to see just how they interact.
That can of worms just got over filled. 

thay
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DougI have never tinkered with the windings on my DC motors to see just where they go. I have quite a few of them, and might be able to perhaps spare one for science.However, high on my agenda, is replicating our daisy chain motor experiment, which oddly enough, might be barking at a similar phenomena.
I think Hector might have been quietly sitting on this info for decades. I do find it is so hard to understand.There is that sloppy moment when brushes arc, hence, the diode bridge trick, to quench that arc, and save it, to pass it on to the next motor.Hector's idea is just more efficient in terms of iron, and copper mass, keeping the the mess a lot more tidy, than stretching it out along a long table, lined with motors.I think my experiment just relies on the sloppy overlap in timing of the motors, perhaps?I am pretty ignorant of the fine details of DC motor engineering, and I am sure that Dayton etc, don't publish their trade secrets, so much.Cheers Warren
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  On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 at 7:04 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi That
Maybe fields not meant to alternate polarity. But rather all pulsed one way then flyback spike and perhaps actual back emf is harvested? 
Perhaps flyback spike harvested and back emf cancelled?
Left out in diagram I think is rotovertor mode with For example if 3ph motor, 2 phases pulsed and 3rd phase bridged with cap (somehow) l wonder how that would work in DC
Kone


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    On Friday, January 25, 2019, 5:31:59 a.m. MST, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:  
 
     

DougI have never tinkered with the windings on my DC motors to see just where they go. I have quite a few of them, and might be able to perhaps spare one for science.However, high on my agenda, is replicating our daisy chain motor experiment, which oddly enough, might be barking at a similar phenomena.
I think Hector might have been quietly sitting on this info for decades. I do find it is so hard to understand.There is that sloppy moment when brushes arc, hence, the diode bridge trick, to quench that arc, and save it, to pass it on to the next motor.Hector's idea is just more efficient in terms of iron, and copper mass, keeping the the mess a lot more tidy, than stretching it out along a long table, lined with motors.I think my experiment just relies on the sloppy overlap in timing of the motors, perhaps?I am pretty ignorant of the fine details of DC motor engineering, and I am sure that Dayton etc, don't publish their trade secrets, so much.Cheers Warren
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 at 7:04 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi That
Maybe fields not meant to alternate polarity. But rather all pulsed one way then flyback spike and perhaps actual back emf is harvested? 
Perhaps flyback spike harvested and back emf cancelled?
Left out in diagram I think is rotovertor mode with For example if 3ph motor, 2 phases pulsed and 3rd phase bridged with cap (somehow) l wonder how that would work in DC
Kone


    
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If you check my very old postings i mentioned a million times to convert RVs to PM motors with PM rotors and run DC motors as outrunners wired in WYE ....

not my fault if people were intricately immersed in useless bullshit instead of jumping into the real stuff! 

i was not "sitting" on it, people simply "shit" on it because simplicity is rejected and substituted for fancy bullshit!

One statement I did long ago to Newman ..... why you don't convert a normal PM motor to a Newman motor ?  , the answer was "because i will not have anything to sell"  same answer i got from Bedini & others ..... 

a dc motor in WYE is a compact Newman motor , a compact EV Gray motor and an RV all in one package, just Konemotor it to hell!  and you got OU ! 

and don,t tell me i was sitting on it when i vomited it all over long years in the forum ! 



(H)
 




---In [email protected], <machinationus@...> wrote :

 
 #14 DC machines Basics Armature Winding - Developed diagram of a 2 pole 4 slot machine

 #14 DC machines Basics Armature Winding - Developed diagram of a 2 pole 4 slot machine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVPCzMD_uEc&list=PLPpCFgQP7QKHUOFYvZhQ6ra5XrU3dN2dD&index=13
 

 #14 DC machines Basics Armature Winding - Developed diagram of a 2 pole ... We start our discussion on the developed diagrams of dc machine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVPCzMD_uEc&list=PLPpCFgQP7QKHUOFYvZhQ6ra5XrU3dN2dD&index=13
 

 

 
 On Friday, January 25, 2019, 5:31:59 a.m. MST, Warren Keillor schoonersolsticemoon@... [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote: 
 

 

   
 Doug I have never tinkered with the windings on my DC motors to see just where they go. I have quite a few of them, and might be able to perhaps spare one for science.
 However, high on my agenda, is replicating our daisy chain motor experiment, which oddly enough, might be barking at a similar phenomena.
I think Hector might have been quietly sitting on this info for decades. I do find it is so hard to understand.
 There is that sloppy moment when brushes arc, hence, the diode bridge trick, to quench that arc, and save it, to pass it on to the next motor.
 Hector's idea is just more efficient in terms of iron, and copper mass, keeping the the mess a lot more tidy, than stretching it out along a long table, lined with motors.
 I think my experiment just relies on the sloppy overlap in timing of the motors, perhaps?
 I am pretty ignorant of the fine details of DC motor engineering, and I am sure that Dayton etc, don't publish their trade secrets, so much.
 Cheers Warren
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature
 
 On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 at 7:04 AM, konehead@... [EVGRAY]
 <[email protected]> wrote:
 
   Hi That
 Maybe fields not meant to alternate polarity. But rather all pulsed one way then flyback spike and perhaps actual back emf is harvested? 
 Perhaps flyback spike harvested and back emf cancelled?
 Left out in diagram I think is rotovertor mode with For example if 3ph motor, 2 phases pulsed and 3rd phase bridged with cap (somehow) l wonder how that would work in DC
 Kone

Hi Hector
Most complex idea in world is super simple to even the most monkey brained  when.you finally "get it"
Kone

Hector,

You have a world view of your concepts we often have the view of the
elephant in the room from the blind mans perspective, in other words a
very small slice of the picture. Just remember because you see the whole
unit in your mind and or on the bench we do not.  Had I been working on
the RV as you stated and learned all the ins and outs as a system of
schooling again as you present I think I would have put two and two
together with the DC but then again maybe not when you posted the
schematic with the brush position the other day I went fuck yes! as it
now makes good sense.  Just remember everyone does not have your view or
knowledge of these systems and it does not come naturally to everyone so
verbosity is extremely helpful, even redundancy in your word vomit.

By the way how much capacitance does one require per 100 watt to power
correct the RF DC coming from a modded 90v 1750 PMDC motor running at
rated speed into a 100 ohm load?

Thanks again for the cool disclosure!

On 1/29/2019 9:35 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> If you check my very old postings i mentioned a million times to
> convert RVs to PM motors with PM rotors and run DC motors as
> outrunners wired in WYE ....
>
> not my fault if people were intricately immersed in useless bullshit
> instead of jumping into the real stuff!
>
> i was not "sitting" on it, people simply "shit" on it because
> simplicity is rejected and substituted for fancy bullshit!
>
> One statement I did long ago to Newman ..... why you don't convert a
> normal PM motor to a Newman motor ?  , the answer was "because i will
> not have anything to sell"  same answer i got from Bedini & others .....
>
> a dc motor in WYE is a compact Newman motor , a compact EV Gray motor
> and an RV all in one package, just Konemotor it to hell!  and you got
> OU !
>
> and don,t tell me i was sitting on it when i vomited it all over long
> years in the forum !
>
>
>
> (H)
>  
>
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <machinationus@...> wrote :
>
>
>   #14 DC machines Basics Armature Winding - Developed diagram of a 2
>   pole 4 slot machine
>
>
> #14 DC machines Basics Armature Winding - Developed diagram of a 2
> pole 4 slot machine
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVPCzMD_uEc&list=PLPpCFgQP7QKHUOFYvZhQ6ra5XrU3dN2dD&index=13>
>
>
> 	
>
> 	
>
>
>     #14 DC machines Basics Armature Winding - Developed diagram of a 2
>     pole ...
>
> We start our discussion on the developed diagrams of dc machine
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVPCzMD_uEc&list=PLPpCFgQP7QKHUOFYvZhQ6ra5XrU3dN2dD&index=13>
>
>
>     On Friday, January 25, 2019, 5:31:59 a.m. MST, Warren Keillor
>     schoonersolsticemoon@... [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote: 
>
>
>
>  
> Doug
> I have never tinkered with the windings on my DC motors to see just
> where they go. I have quite a few of them, and might be able to
> perhaps spare one for science.
> However, high on my agenda, is replicating our daisy chain motor
> experiment, which oddly enough, might be barking at a similar phenomena.
> I think Hector might have been quietly sitting on this info for
> decades. I do find it is so hard to understand.
> There is that sloppy moment when brushes arc, hence, the diode bridge
> trick, to quench that arc, and save it, to pass it on to the next motor.
> Hector's idea is just more efficient in terms of iron, and copper
> mass, keeping the the mess a lot more tidy, than stretching it out
> along a long table, lined with motors.
> I think my experiment just relies on the sloppy overlap in timing of
> the motors, perhaps?
> I am pretty ignorant of the fine details of DC motor engineering, and
> I am sure that Dayton etc, don't publish their trade secrets, so much.
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
>     On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 at 7:04 AM, konehead@... [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>      
>
>     Hi That
>     Maybe fields not meant to alternate polarity. But rather all
>     pulsed one way then flyback spike and perhaps actual back emf is
>     harvested?
>     Perhaps flyback spike harvested and back emf cancelled?
>     Left out in diagram I think is rotovertor mode with For example if
>     3ph motor, 2 phases pulsed and 3rd phase bridged with cap
>     (somehow) l wonder how that would work in DC
>     Kone
>
>

---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :

 Hector,
 You have a world view of your concepts we often have the view of the elephant in the room from the blind mans perspective, in other words a very small slice of the picture.
 

 YEP MUST MOVE FROM ELEPHANTS ASS TO ITS BALLS !  BIG STAINLESS STEEL ONES! 

 

 

 

 By the way how much capacitance does one require per 100 watt to power correct the RF DC coming from a modded 90v 1750 PMDC motor running at rated speed into a 100 ohm load?
 
 Thanks again for the cool disclosure!
 

 DEPENDS ON WIRE SIZE AND MOTOR RATING & THE 100 Ω LOAD ( USE A CAPACITOR DECADE BOX FOR TUNING )  https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-3/series-resistor-inductor-circuits/ https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-3/series-resistor-inductor-circuits/
 

     

 

 (H) 

 

 

 
 
 On 1/29/2019 9:35 AM, arkresearch@... mailto:arkresearch@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
 
   If you check my very old postings i mentioned a million times to convert RVs to PM motors with PM rotors and run DC motors as outrunners wired in WYE ....
 
 not my fault if people were intricately immersed in useless bullshit instead of jumping into the real stuff! 
 
 i was not "sitting" on it, people simply "shit" on it because simplicity is rejected and substituted for fancy bullshit!
 
 One statement I did long ago to Newman ..... why you don't convert a normal PM motor to a Newman motor ?  , the answer was "because i will not have anything to sell"  same answer i got from Bedini & others ..... 
 
 a dc motor in WYE is a compact Newman motor , a compact EV Gray motor and an RV all in one package, just Konemotor it to hell!  and you got OU ! 
 
 and don,t tell me i was sitting on it when i vomited it all over long years in the forum ! 
 
 
 
 (H)
  
 
 
 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <machinationus@...> mailto:machinationus@... wrote :
 
 
 #14 DC machines Basics Armature Winding - Developed diagram of a 2 pole 4 slot machine 
 
 #14 DC machines Basics Armature Winding - Developed diagram of a 2 pole 4 slot machine
 
 
 
 
 #14 DC machines Basics Armature Winding - Developed diagram of a 2 pole ... We start our discussion on the developed diagrams of dc machine
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Friday, January 25, 2019, 5:31:59 a.m. MST, Warren Keillor schoonersolsticemoon@... [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> mailto:[email protected] wrote: 
 
 
 
 
   Doug I have never tinkered with the windings on my DC motors to see just where they go. I have quite a few of them, and might be able to perhaps spare one for science.
 However, high on my agenda, is replicating our daisy chain motor experiment, which oddly enough, might be barking at a similar phenomena.
 I think Hector might have been quietly sitting on this info for decades. I do find it is so hard to understand.
 There is that sloppy moment when brushes arc, hence, the diode bridge trick, to quench that arc, and save it, to pass it on to the next motor.
 Hector's idea is just more efficient in terms of iron, and copper mass, keeping the the mess a lot more tidy, than stretching it out along a long table, lined with motors.
 I think my experiment just relies on the sloppy overlap in timing of the motors, perhaps?
 I am pretty ignorant of the fine details of DC motor engineering, and I am sure that Dayton etc, don't publish their trade secrets, so much.
 Cheers Warren
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
 
 On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 at 7:04 AM, konehead@... [EVGRAY]
 <[email protected]> mailto:[email protected] wrote:
 
   Hi That
 Maybe fields not meant to alternate polarity. But rather all pulsed one way then flyback spike and perhaps actual back emf is harvested? 
 Perhaps flyback spike harvested and back emf cancelled?
 Left out in diagram I think is rotovertor mode with For example if 3ph motor, 2 phases pulsed and 3rd phase bridged with cap (somehow) l wonder how that would work in DC
 Kone