Re: [EVGRAY] Digest Number 9346

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Check out this firetube from Daniel in Uruguay.
By mixing Browns Gas with
propane 50 / 50 the burn is complete and very nice and hot!
The best way to heat up fast.
I have tested them and it is absolutely amazing technology. The only
downside is that you will need a bit of equipment for it to all happen.
The upside is literally no emissions.


JAL


tir. 11. des. 2018 kl. 02:21 skrev <[email protected]>:

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> Re: Long wave IR heating. <#m_-5787328808288841260_1a> by "Norman Wootan"
> [email protected]
> 1b
> Re: Long wave IR heating. <#m_-5787328808288841260_1b> by "Warren
> Keillor" schoonersolsticemoon
> 2a
> Re: Wild fires? <#m_-5787328808288841260_2a> by "James Glinski"
> glinski_jim
> 2b
> Re: Wild fires? <#m_-5787328808288841260_2b> by koneheadx
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> 1a Re: Long wave IR heating.
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> Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:54 am (PST) . Posted by: "Norman Wootan"
> [email protected]
> <[email protected]?subject=Re%3A%20Long%20wave%20IR%20heating%2E>
> Steve, I feel your pain for I had 52 acres of heavily wood land and had
> 6 chain saws and it seemed like they all need oil, gas, chain sharpening
> etc. all the time.  Lol  BTW, sold the farm and moved back to city cause
> I spent all my spare time cutting and maintaining the place.
>
> On 12/10/2018 7:35 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
> >
> > Norman
> >
> >  Years ago I got to know the Owner of a Carpet Manufacturing Plant in
> > Dalton Ga ,He had done his research on heating and had talked to every
> > town and manufacturing company from Maine to Cal.he found that the
> > radiant heater will give more BTU's per therm than a blue flame heater
> > and is even cheaper than Coal I did a little research of My own I have
> > a Wood stove in the Basement just in case the power goes out so I
> > turned off the central heat and air and used the Wood heater for my
> > heat,it only made 20.00 diff in the electric price so for 20.00 diff
> > in 30 days I have better things to do than cut wood and buy Gas for
> > the Chainsaw I can put My energy to use elsewhere and make a bigger
> > impact on my bottom line.
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
> > To: EVGRAY <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Sun, Dec 9, 2018 10:09 am
> > Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Re: Long wave IR heating.
> >
> >
> >
> > Warren, The first time I paid particular attention to these radiant
> > heaters was at my Acura Dealership in Arlington, TX where they had
> > this system installed. The Service drive through was 100 ft. long X 60
> > ft. wide with 16 ft. overhead ceiling and 4 ea. 12 ft.wide  roll up
> > doors on each end. Overhead there are 4 ea. Natural gas fired radiant
> > tubes 80 ft. long with combustion blower at one end and exhaust vent
> > to roof on exhaust end. The flat black (perfect IR emitter) combustion
> > tube was mounted in the flat black emitter V trough to direct the
> > energy down to the work  floor in a 60 degree radiation pattern. You
> > could walk around in the service bay in winter with the doors open and
> > were entirely comfortable due to radiant heating. Very efficient for
> > this type of application. The floor radiant system works the very same
> > way but more subtle and usually uses circulating hot water. Warren for
> > a barn work shop like yours, I would recommend this type of comfort
> > heating.
> > On 12/9/2018 7:34 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
> > <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
> > https://www.herschel-infrared.com/how-it-works/types-infrared-heater/
> >
> > On 12/9/2018 7:31 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
> > > https://www.infraredheaters.com/basic.html Warren and James, good info
> > > here.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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> Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:04 am (PST) . Posted by: "Warren Keillor"
> schoonersolsticemoon
> <[email protected]?subject=Re%3A%20Long%20wave%20IR%20heating%2E>
> NormanThanks for the adviceWe used high temperature plastic tubing
> specially designed to be used for infloor heating, cast inside concrete.
> The concrete is re- enforced with steel grid, and about 5" thick, making a
> useful heat capacitor, as well as infrared  radiant emitter. I was worried
> about being able to leave during the winter, and not worrying about power
> failure destroying the heating tubes during a freeze up. Hence, the system
> is using glycol.
> All the tubing connections are heat welded together with a special
> electric tool that clamps over them.The entire system was pressure tested
> for a week.We shouldn't get much calcification, as the water is reverse
> osmosis product along with a major component being glycol.Since the tubing
> is dielectric, as is the fluid, there should not be a galvanic
> problem.Thank you for the copper tubing concerns, as other might make that
> error. The houses designed in the Fifties with in floor heating, by Frank
> Loyd Wright, that I know of, suffered much as you have pointed out.Cheers
> Warren
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> On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 at 1:10 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]<
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Warren!�� You mentioned your plan to lay copper tubing heating loops
> in your concrete floors.� Make note and check out carefully how to do
> this plumbing.� Back in 1947, after WWII, my father had a lawyer friend
> that built a brand new on slab home and had the copper tubing loops in all
> the floors in the house. Great layout for it had a gas fired central hot
> water heater and Grundfos recirculating pumps off a central manifold to
> control the flow to each room.� All ran well for about 5 years, then the
> walls starting to mildew, especially in the various closets. When they jack
> hammered a section of the floor they found that the lime in the concrete
> along with some galvanic action had eaten away the copper tubing and leaks
> were everywhere. Ended up abandoning the whole floor heating system and
> went to central heating furnace.� Some one should be able to advise you
> on this problem.� Maybe the type of copper??� Maybe a problem of not
> having a (- negative) charge on the copper?? The long haul natural gas
> transmission lines have a DC power supply that they potentialize the entire
> line with a low voltage negative (-) charge to prevent erosion of the steel
> lines. When submerged in water they have the sacrifice zinc plates like you
> have on your boat.��� Just a cautionary note.��� Norm
>
> On 12/10/2018 10:58 AM, Randy H�bert [email protected] [EVGRAY]
> wrote:
>
> �
>
> Thanks for the info Warren. Keep us posted on the results of that heat
> pump. Very curious to see how it all works out.�
> ------ Original message------ From: Warren Keillor
> [email protected] [EVGRAY] Date: Mon, Dec 10, 2018 9:38 AM
> To: [email protected]; Cc: Subject:Re: [EVGRAY] Re: Long wave IR
> heating.
> �
> Hi Norman
> We are on it. We put a carefully considered array of tubing down before
> pouring concrete on the insulated under floor, covered by re- rod. This has
> been connected to an elevated domestic hot water tank full of glycol and
> serviced by variable brushless dc pumps, with circuits sensing the local
> temperature of every quadrant of the floor, only operating as needed. The
> heat pump compressor is out of doors, the other side of 30" of rubblestone
> rock wall. There, the heat pump draws heat from the air, extracting what
> little is there, and delivers it to the hot water tank inside.
> The heat pump is called an Arctic model MAFP020A It is supposed to have a
> heating capacity of 10.5 KW, with power input of 2.83 KW, a current input
> of12.86 amps, and a performance COP of 3.71 This will be tested, and
> measured, under harsh winter conditions, here in Gananoque, Canada, this
> winter, to varify these figures, in my application.Stay tuned. I am picking
> up a wood burning stove today, as a back up� should the power be out, as
> it usually does, about once a week. I also have a propane/ gasoline
> generator 9KW backup plant, on order, much the same as my neighbours use,
> around here. Hopefully we can knit, and fiddle, with quantum physics
> enough, to squeeze a little black energy differential this way, as
> experiments progress. Meanwhile, I want us to be warm, and comfortable, no
> matter what happens this winter. We seem to have harvested several years
> supply of firewood, in just one year, since moving in, from cleaning up
> fallen limbs, from mature trees. I hope this answers some of your questions
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
> On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 at 9:56 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
> [email protected]> wrote: �
> Warren, The first time I paid particular attention to these radiant
> heaters was at my Acura Dealership in Arlington, TX where they had this
> system installed. The Service drive through was 100 ft. long X 60 ft. wide
> with 16 ft.. overhead ceiling and 4 ea. 12 ft.wide� roll up doors on each
> end. Overhead there are 4 ea. Natural gas fired radiant tubes 80 ft. long
> with combustion blower at one end and exhaust vent to roof on exhaust end.
> The flat black (perfect IR emitter) combustion tube was mounted in the flat
> black emitter V trough to direct the energy down to the work� floor in a
> 60 degree radiation pattern. You could walk around in the service bay in
> winter with the doors open and were entirely comfortable due to radiant
> heating.� Very efficient for this type of application. The floor radiant
> system works the very same way but more subtle and usually uses circulating
> hot water. Warren for a barn work shop like yours, I would recommend this
> type of comfort heating.
>
> On 12/9/2018 7:34 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> �
> https://www.herschel-infrared.com/how-it-works/types-infrared-heater/
>
> On 12/9/2018 7:31 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
> > https://www.infraredheaters.com/basic.html Warren and James, good info
> > here.
> >
>
>
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> Warren a new socialists utopia in the works
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/dec/10/nicaragua-journalists-press-freedom-crackdown-ortega
>
> And the Brits would round up the town's people and put them into the
> church's and burn them to the ground .did you see the new article today
> about the Communist Chinese are rounding up hundreds of Christians in the
> night ?.what for what organ donation by gun point.?
>
> On Monday, December 10, 2018, Warren Keillor [email protected]
> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > During right after the American revolution, people having a loyalty to
> the
> > king, would be stripped naked, dipped in molten tar, rolled in feathers,
> > and paraded around the villages on a fence rail, by good old boys, just
> > having fun.
> > Any others, feeling unsure of the future of the new revolutionary
> > government, would, if they were lucky, sell their property for a
> shilling,
> > or just pack up, and head North, to Canada, with their family, rather
> than
> > risk a slow painful death by scalding.
> > Humans in a mob are capable of sadistic acts of cruelty. We have seen
> this
> > all through history, motivated by some cause of the day. Worship of some
> > diety, a political cause, a charismatic leader, and abandon all sense of
> > decency, and kindness, to some momentary passionate ideology.
> > It is a flaw.
> > Embarrassment, and shame, are sure to follow, as a society, on sober
> > reflection.
> > Cheers Warren
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> >
> > On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 at 7:41 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
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> >
> > Hector,
> >
> > And real cooperatives are voluntary and do not force people into it. I
> > think socialism always forces one to play and cooperatives are voluntary.
> > I like capitalism as long as it's not crony capitalism as it allows for
> > humans to progress faster as individuals, cooperatives are not at odds
> with
> > capitalism. As parts of a whole of any kind if it is forced then it sucks
> > donkey dick. This is what the united states after Washington forced
> > everyone to play their game. A free inhabitant upon the land is the
> > ultimate position to have, not part of some forced and taxed reality.
> > On 12/9/2018 2:26 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Real socialism creates cooperatives were the mark is to increase
> > accumulative wealth for its members , the socialism you see is a farce ,
> > created as a false enemy against capitalism that is also a farce as they
> > are more communist in the sense they end fucking everyone equally
> including
> > themselves ///
> >
> > don't believe me ? just stop paying your taxes , you will find you are
> > owned ass deep by them !
> >
> > USA 21trillion in debt , a national tax of 36% hangs in the air to fuck
> > you deep !
> >
> > pray for a thermonuclear war so it ends fast ////
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---In [email protected], <jglinski01@...> <jglinski01@....> wrote :
> >
> > Socialist seem to think that taking what doesn't belong to them and
> giving
> > to the poor .solves the underlining problem of lack .instead of going for
> > super abundance .is a minimumlist way of thinking .give things out till
> > there's nothing left doesn't meet the demand of humanity .thats pie in
> the
> > sky thinking ..and ends in violence ..like po pot said that's he would
> kill
> > a billion people to achieve utopia .Hitler was doing the same thing .it's
> > usually a small few who promote it then but the wealth in a bank out side
> > of there country .there answer is killing tomdown size the problem ..none
> > of that solves any problem except there lack .we tried that when America
> > was first founded and it showed it's true colors right there .they
> formed a
> > collective to plant corn .a few did all the work and many just dreamed
> > about how good the idea was .well they almost starved to death ..next
> year
> > they gave each family a portion and made them in charge of there own
> future
> > .it worked no sitting on there ass talking about it they had to go do it
> > .they had more than they needed and could trade with Indians ..no need to
> > take down a whole nation to find out it's a bad idea ..and every time it
> > fails they think only if we had the right person running it ..well there
> is
> > no right person for a bad idea that will make it a good idea .reaching
> for
> > the wealth of the universe will solve the problem .not sitting around
> > talking shit .
> >
> > On Sunday, December 9, 2018, iron1of1@... [EVGRAY] <
> [email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Good post George, Warren too often wears rose coloured glasses.
> >
> > Maybe he didn't see that Canada's Federal Immigration Minister, Ahmed
> > Hussen, (hello?) is going to endorse the UN Global Compact... what could
> go
> > wrong?
> >
> > Ron
> >
> > https://www.cbc.ca/news/ politics/global-compact-un- hussen-1.4935492
> > <https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/global-compact-un-hussen-1.4935492>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---In [email protected], <canowindracd@...> <canowindracd@...>
> wrote
> > :
> >
> > Warren,
> >
> > Your posts indicate that you have not read Agenda 21, Agenda 30, the Lima
> > Declaration and the Barcelona declaration.
> >
> > If you haven't read these then you really are in the dark about world
> > affairs and what danger is fast approaching you on the horizon.
> >
> > The sheeple are asleep and don't know what is coming, and I hope you are
> > not one of them.
> >
> > George
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Pure bullshit propaganda "socialist&quot; government being cause of big
> problems in venezuala. The fucking capitalist war monger pigs in wadhington
> dc are the problem, blockading, sanctioning. Starvng, sending in.metcenarie
> ( paid terrorists) from Columbia and whoever wants to make a CIA buck
> killing innocent plus Supposed humanitarian NGOs paying protestrs to start
> riots and all the other shit capitalist profit first evil pigs from hell
> will do.
> Its all standard procedure for CIA and State department anytime a
> "socialist&quot; government .voted into office tells US capitalist
> orporations to get the fuck out of their country and will never allow US
> military base on their soil.
> Imagine the gal l to kick out US corporations who say they "own" land and
> industry in a country and give the land and industry to the citizens of the
> country!! Fuck that is reason to invade kill thousands of socialist
> peasants who would be better off dead than communist sympathizers eh....
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