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MickResonance in an LC circuit:You said it was easy to do.How do you it?I would like to do it mechanically, that is with wire sizes, and lengths of coil, so it does not need a special capacitor, or tuning, as the whole thing is, bang on the money, as far as harmonics go, like a well tuned guitar.Perhaps, I ask for too much, as I hsave not been able to do this yet.I have read that it is a matter of frequency of the input.Hopefully my frequency generator might help, as it is adjustable.Cheers Warren
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  On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 at 12:29 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

Hector,
 
Very true, divide and conquer!  Real actual liberal values and fiscal conservative are much the same.  Both groups have been co-opted by phony actors who are of neither.
 Just tired of all the hate being spread to polarize people such as Kone saying all gun owners or all conservatives should be killed.  This is the shit that is destroying our civilization.  The media politicizing the murder of people after doing their best for years to spread discontent and hatred on every fucking news show hundreds of times a day.  But people want to be polarized into hate groups for some reason.  
 
 
The TTL carrier comment was to present the question: In a wideband class AB RF amp without a LC tank used for the modulation freq, where is the PF of leading or lagging coming from before the antenna load?  Or are you claiming all RF amps even extremely wide-band laboratory amps have an LC tank somewhere such as for the collector bias?
 
 
 

 
 

 
 
 On 10/30/2018 5:46 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Left & right had always being part of one body ......like 2 hands 
 
 one jerks it off wile the other puts a gun to its head and blows it up ! 
 
 calling democrats liberals is like calling a whore house a monastery  ..
 
 the word does not fit , neither conservatives on the republicans , nothing to conserve here !
 
 
 Amen ! 
 
 
 
 (H)  
  
 
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Hi Warren,

Here is a video showing how to do it (LC (tank) circuit addendum Part 2 of 2): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij3I6gZxYEU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij3I6gZxYEU

Just take an inductor and a capacitor. Charge the capacitor and then discharge it through the inductor and the two components will ring at the resonant frequency of the circuit. The circuit is called an LC-tank and is made of two energy storing components. If there's also resistance in the LC-tank circuit the oscillations will decay. If using standard components they will have resistance which is called parasitic resistance when not intended. This makes any practical LC-tank actually being a lossy LCR-tank. 

If instead applying the energy to the inductor the capacitor has to be connected as well as a current source. When letting go the current source (current through the inductor) the energy will oscillate between the inductor and capacitor as in the first example where it was the capacitor that had the initial energy stored.

Regards
Ole


---In [email protected], <schoonersolsticemoon@...> wrote :

 
Mick Resonance in an LC circuit:
 You said it was easy to do.
 How do you it?
 I would like to do it mechanically, that is with wire sizes, and lengths of coil, so it does not need a special capacitor, or tuning, as the whole thing is, bang on the money, as far as harmonics go, like a well tuned guitar.
 Perhaps, I ask for too much, as I hsave not been able to do this yet.
 I have read that it is a matter of frequency of the input.
 Hopefully my frequency generator might help, as it is adjustable.
 Cheers Warren
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature
 
 On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 at 12:29 PM, Mick mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY]
 <[email protected]> wrote:
 
   
 Hector,
 Very true, divide and conquer!  Real actual liberal values and fiscal conservative are much the same.  Both groups have been co-opted by phony actors who are of neither.
 Just tired of all the hate being spread to polarize people such as Kone saying all gun owners or all conservatives should be killed.  This is the shit that is destroying our civilization.  The media politicizing the murder of people after doing their best for years to spread discontent and hatred on every fucking news show hundreds of times a day.  But people want to be polarized into hate groups for some reason.  
 
 The TTL carrier comment was to present the question: In a wideband class AB RF amp without a LC tank used for the modulation freq, where is the PF of leading or lagging coming from before the antenna load?  Or are you claiming all RF amps even extremely wide-band laboratory amps have an LC tank somewhere such as for the collector bias?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 10/30/2018 5:46 AM, arkresearch@... mailto:arkresearch@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
 
   Left & right had always being part of one body ......like 2 hands 
 
 one jerks it off wile the other puts a gun to its head and blows it up ! 
 
 calling democrats liberals is like calling a whore house a monastery  ..
 
 the word does not fit , neither conservatives on the republicans , nothing to conserve here !
 
 
 Amen ! 
 
 
 
 (H)

OleThank you for that very clear, and basic description of how more voltage is in an LC circuit than is put in. That is very useful, and interesting.It brings questions to mind.Will the decay characteristic sign wave change, if the inductor is much fatter wire, or even copper tubing? That should lower the resistance, should it not?If such a case is in, fact, true, how large of inductor cross section can we use to optimize the number of cycles of ringing, by eliminating impedance as much as possible?This is an air core. What happens if we use, for instance, Metglas core, or something with superior ferro magnetic qualities. Where does the Q factor come in to the equation?A very basic question. How do we know there is resonance when looking at the scope?Thank you for your for your help Ole.Cheers Warren

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  On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 at 10:05 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Warren,

Here is a video showing how to do it (LC (tank) circuit addendum Part 2 of 2): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij3I6gZxYEU

Just take an inductor and a capacitor. Charge the capacitor and then discharge it through the inductor and the two components will ring at the resonant frequency of the circuit. The circuit is called an LC-tank and is made of two energy storing components. If there's also resistance in the LC-tank circuit the oscillations will decay. If using standard components they will have resistance which is called parasitic resistance when not intended. This makes any practical LC-tank actually being a lossy LCR-tank. 

If instead applying the energy to the inductor the capacitor has to be connected as well as a current source. When letting go the current source (current through the inductor) the energy will oscillate between the inductor and capacitor as in the first example where it was the capacitor that had the initial energy stored.

Regards
Ole


---In [email protected], <schoonersolsticemoon@...> wrote :



MickResonance in an LC circuit:You said it was easy to do.How do you it?I would like to do it mechanically, that is with wire sizes, and lengths of coil, so it does not need a special capacitor, or tuning, as the whole thing is, bang on the money, as far as harmonics go, like a well tuned guitar.Perhaps, I ask for too much, as I hsave not been able to do this yet.I have read that it is a matter of frequency of the input.Hopefully my frequency generator might help, as it is adjustable.Cheers Warren
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
 
  On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 at 12:29 PM, Mick mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

Hector,
 
Very true, divide and conquer!  Real actual liberal values and fiscal conservative are much the same.  Both groups have been co-opted by phony actors who are of neither.
 Just tired of all the hate being spread to polarize people such as Kone saying all gun owners or all conservatives should be killed.  This is the shit that is destroying our civilization.  The media politicizing the murder of people after doing their best for years to spread discontent and hatred on every fucking news show hundreds of times a day.  But people want to be polarized into hate groups for some reason.  
 
 
The TTL carrier comment was to present the question: In a wideband class AB RF amp without a LC tank used for the modulation freq, where is the PF of leading or lagging coming from before the antenna load?  Or are you claiming all RF amps even extremely wide-band laboratory amps have an LC tank somewhere such as for the collector bias?
 
 
 

 
 

 
 
 On 10/30/2018 5:46 AM, arkresearch@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Left & right had always being part of one body ......like 2 hands 
 
 one jerks it off wile the other puts a gun to its head and blows it up ! 
 
 calling democrats liberals is like calling a whore house a monastery  ..
 
 the word does not fit , neither conservatives on the republicans , nothing to conserve here !
 
 
 Amen ! 
 
 
 
 (H)  
  
 
    

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Warren,

Depending on the frequency is how much tuning is involved, lower
frequencies are easier.  For a circuit to resonate it needs and input of
energy from somewhere whether it be a crystal set being strummed by the
airwaves or a Tesla coil being strummed by a spark gap.

If you have a frequency generator and scope use these to determine self
resonance of your coil with about a 100k resistor sitting between the
generator and coil and scope probe set to x10 and sitting right across
coil inside resistor.  Set generator to sine and look at some
frequencies on the scope tuning for the largest waveform.      Find a
small cap to put across the coil if you desire a parallel tank and use
an online LC calculator to determine the size of the cap for the
frequency you want.

Now how are you going to strum the device, I suggest to start at the
beginning with an Armstrong oscillator and build same with a single
transistor, you will learn a lot from this simple undertaking.  This is
the circuit most of the simple resonant devices like joule thief, solid
state Bedini etc are based on.  Could also go with a Colepitts
oscillator which also uses two coils but as a divider rather than linked
inductive/magnetic.

Without a capacitor it can be done but the Q will be low as one would be
reliant on inter winding capacitance. Could begin with a lecher line but
the Armstrong is more relevant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrong_oscillator

https://www.google.com/search?q=build+an+armstrong+oscillator&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1-ab


https://www.google.com/search?q=lecher+line&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1-ab



On 10/30/2018 6:02 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Mick
> Resonance in an LC circuit:
> You said it was easy to do.
> How do you it?
> I would like to do it mechanically, that is with wire sizes, and
> lengths of coil, so it does not need a special capacitor, or tuning,
> as the whole thing is, bang on the money, as far as harmonics go, like
> a well tuned guitar.
> Perhaps, I ask for too much, as I hsave not been able to do this yet.
> I have read that it is a matter of frequency of the input.
> Hopefully my frequency generator might help, as it is adjustable.
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
>     On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 at 12:29 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>      
>
>     Hector,
>
>     Very true, divide and conquer!  Real actual liberal values and
>     fiscal conservative are much the same.  Both groups have been
>     co-opted by phony actors who are of neither.
>     Just tired of all the hate being spread to polarize people such as
>     Kone saying all gun owners or all conservatives should be killed. 
>     This is the shit that is destroying our civilization.  The media
>     politicizing the murder of people after doing their best for years
>     to spread discontent and hatred on every fucking news show
>     hundreds of times a day.  But people want to be polarized into
>     hate groups for some reason. 
>
>     The TTL carrier comment was to present the question: In a wideband
>     class AB RF amp without a LC tank used for the modulation freq,
>     where is the PF of leading or lagging coming from before the
>     antenna load?  Or are you claiming all RF amps even extremely
>     wide-band laboratory amps have an LC tank somewhere such as for
>     the collector bias?
>
>
>
>
>
>     On 10/30/2018 5:46 AM, [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>      
>>
>>     Left & right had always being part of one body ......like 2 hands
>>
>>     one jerks it off wile the other puts a gun to its head and blows
>>     it up !
>>
>>     calling democrats liberals is like calling a whore house a
>>     monastery  ..
>>
>>     the word does not fit , neither conservatives on the republicans
>>     , nothing to conserve here !
>>
>>
>>     Amen !
>>
>>
>>
>>     (H)  
>>
>
>

Hector,

Sounds like an engineering feat not to overmodulate  the sidebands with
a low impedance modulation setup, if I understand this correctly.  I
guess you were using air core coils for the carrier oscillator though so
they don't have the saturation issues of ferrite.  But still not to
produce overvoltage from the LC must be tricky depending on the topology
of the mixer circuit.

Analog super regenerative circuits designed with modern digital
limiting/filtering would be interesting indeed!


On 10/30/2018 12:34 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> In modulation depends the biasing your amp will have as the concept of
> hyper modulation is still not accepted by FCC  the constant current is
> just a waste of power in the finals , as bad as the standard motors
> versus RV  as sample why i need a constant 20 amps in my TH9800 to
> transmit just 5W ? if i can just use a peak modulation limiter circuit
> ? lately it looks as if assholes took over in radio manufacture design
> in behave of greedy power company who wants radios to really waste
> power some day what i say here will be taken into consideration , as
> burnt finals add to the waste pile ! hams need to have a say ..
>
> I had a prototype president CB radio were i used the concept . of
> total current modulation not voltage modulation i biased the current
> .. to near zero then modulated AM CURRENT to driver voltage peak  .
> that is full 1000% modulation  also used it in an AM station that had
> a 10,000w permit  with 500W base-band and some 2000% hyper-modulation
> range with no sidebands band spillover , worked for 2 years and FCC
> did not even noticed  , when the new transmitter was installed  they
> lost their quality completely ,,,
>
> well they did not contract me for the installation so it was their
> problem , the old transmitter was totally wasted by opportunistic rats
> , who made it their home !   
>
> remember this info is NOT for patent or Thesis  is public to this
> forum and ham radio operators lurking here who are free to experiment
> with the concept
>
> ....ARK Ω  Communications Division 1973 © , 2018
>
> on the politics stuff  ? is kone eating cow corpses lately ?
>
> dropped the vegan diet?  , he needs tantra !
>
> WP4QIN
>
> (H) 
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>
> Hector,
>
> Very true, divide and conquer!  Real actual liberal values and fiscal
> conservative are much the same.  Both groups have been co-opted by
> phony actors who are of neither.
> Just tired of all the hate being spread to polarize people such as
> Kone saying all gun owners or all conservatives should be killed. 
> This is the shit that is destroying our civilization.  The media
> politicizing the murder of people after doing their best for years to
> spread discontent and hatred on every fucking news show hundreds of
> times a day.  But people want to be polarized into hate groups for
> some reason. 
>
> The TTL carrier comment was to present the question: In a wideband
> class AB RF amp without a LC tank used for the modulation freq, where
> is the PF of leading or lagging coming from before the antenna load? 
> Or are you claiming all RF amps even extremely wide-band laboratory
> amps have an LC tank somewhere such as for the collector bias?
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10/30/2018 5:46 AM, arkresearch@... <mailto:arkresearch@...>
> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>>      
>>
>>     Left & right had always being part of one body ......like 2 hands
>>
>>     one jerks it off wile the other puts a gun to its head and blows
>>     it up !
>>
>>     calling democrats liberals is like calling a whore house a
>>     monastery  ..
>>
>>     the word does not fit , neither conservatives on the republicans
>>     , nothing to conserve here !
>>
>>
>>     Amen !
>>
>>
>>
>>     (H)  
>>
>
>

Hi Warren,

"...description of how more voltage is in an LC circuit than is put in."
It's only the peak to peak voltage that's greater than the input voltage which is only the peak voltage. If no loss (infinite quality factor (Q) there's no decay and the negative voltage is then the same as the positive voltage. With no decay the oscillations will never stop. This is only possible in a theoretical circuit using an ideal inductor (L) and an ideal capacitor (C). Ideal components haven't got parasitic parts of L, C or R as do real components and are only used in mathematical models or simulations to make the calculations easier.

"Will the decay characteristic sign wave change, if the inductor is much fatter wire, or even copper tubing? That should lower the resistance, should it not?"
If meaning a sine wave it does change sign at each half period. This happens as the energy oscillates between the capacitor and inductor. Each time the energy is reflected in one of the components the tension and current changes sign. Thicker copper or silver plated copper decreases the resistance. At high frequency only a thin layer of the conductor actually is a play. Thus at HF copper tubing is used of multi-stranded insulated copper wire (Litze wire https://wiki2.org/en/Litz_wire).

The frequency of the oscillations is given by the inductance and capacitance of the circuit. The decay is given by the loss which is the inverse of the goodness or quality factor Q. To slow down the decay more ideal components are needed as they have less loss. A continuous oscillating LC-tank must have energy supplied at the same rate (same power) as it looses energy to keep the peak amplitude steady. Neither more nor less energy is allowed for steady oscillations.
 
 From Wikipedia article (https://wiki2.org/en/LC_circuit https://wiki2.org/en/LC_circuit):

 
 
 
 
 https://wiki2.org/en/File:Tuned_circuit_animation_3_300ms_gif 

 
 
 
 
 Animated diagram showing the operation of a tuned circuit https://wiki2.org/en/Tuned_circuit (LC circuit). The capacitor C stores energy in its electric field https://wiki2.org/en/Electric_field E and the inductor L stores energy in its magnetic field https://wiki2.org/en/Magnetic_field B (green). The animation shows the circuit at progressive points in the oscillation. The oscillations are slowed down; in an actual tuned circuit the charge may oscillate back and forth thousands to billions of times per second.


"If such a case is in, fact, true, how large of inductor cross section can we use to optimize the number of cycles of ringing, by eliminating impedance as much as possible?"
This depends on several factors. Only the resistive part of the impedance has to be eliminated. Resonance is happening at the frequency where the capacitive part of the impedance is canceling the inductive part of the impedance thus leaving only the resistive part of the impedance that gives loss. The capacitive and inductive parts of the impedance are zero Ohm (at resonance) as one is positive and the other one is negative.

"This is an air core. What happens if we use, for instance, Metglas core, or something with superior ferro magnetic qualities. Where does the Q factor come in to the equation?"
Using a magnetic conductor as core makes the inductance of the inductor increase when having the same number of turns length and diameter. As the Q factor is the inverse of the loss the Q will decrease when the core has losses. The core has losses if resistive as the induced current in the core is then dissipated as heat. In the measurements the resistive part of the core is seen as a frequency dependent part that increases with the frequency. The skin effect of the wire is also seen that way. A metal glass core has low loss while an air core has no loss. A good magnetic conductor doesn't store much energy as the energy just passes through it. Therefore air gaps are used for storing energy.

"A very basic question. How do we know there is resonance when looking at the scope?"
That's seen if the voltage changes sign across the capacitor. If the circuit is over damped the energy is dissipated before completing even a single oscillation. This is because the resistance is too great. At less resistance there is less damping. If having an electric guitar and an oscilloscope the resonant frequency of a string can be seen when  applying energy to the string and then letting go of it. This is also seen as oscillations on the scope. As guitar strings have low loss they keep ringing for a while just like an LC-tank circuit. A guitar string is just a mechanical oscillator. Applying damping (i.e. by touching with a finger) makes the oscillations decay faster.

Regards
Ole



---In [email protected], <schoonersolsticemoon@...> wrote :

 Ole Thank you for that very clear, and basic description of how more voltage is in an LC circuit than is put in. That is very useful, and interesting.
 It brings questions to mind.
 Will the decay characteristic sign wave change, if the inductor is much fatter wire, or even copper tubing? That should lower the resistance, should it not?
 If such a case is in, fact, true, how large of inductor cross section can we use to optimize the number of cycles of ringing, by eliminating impedance as much as possible?
 This is an air core. What happens if we use, for instance, Metglas core, or something with superior ferro magnetic qualities. Where does the Q factor come in to the equation?
 A very basic question. How do we know there is resonance when looking at the scope?
 Thank you for your for your help Ole.
 Cheers Warren

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 On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 at 10:05 PM, onielsen@... [EVGRAY]
 <[email protected]> wrote:
 
   Hi Warren,

Here is a video showing how to do it (LC (tank) circuit addendum Part 2 of 2): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij3I6gZxYEU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij3I6gZxYEU

Just take an inductor and a capacitor. Charge the capacitor and then discharge it through the inductor and the two components will ring at the resonant frequency of the circuit. The circuit is called an LC-tank and is made of two energy storing components. If there's also resistance in the LC-tank circuit the oscillations will decay. If using standard components they will have resistance which is called parasitic resistance when not intended. This makes any practical LC-tank actually being a lossy LCR-tank. 

If instead applying the energy to the inductor the capacitor has to be connected as well as a current source. When letting go the current source (current through the inductor) the energy will oscillate between the inductor and capacitor as in the first example where it was the capacitor that had the initial energy stored.

Regards
Ole


---In [email protected], <schoonersolsticemoon@...> wrote :


 
Mick Resonance in an LC circuit:
 You said it was easy to do.
 How do you it?
 I would like to do it mechanically, that is with wire sizes, and lengths of coil, so it does not need a special capacitor, or tuning, as the whole thing is, bang on the money, as far as harmonics go, like a well tuned guitar.
 Perhaps, I ask for too much, as I hsave not been able to do this yet.
 I have read that it is a matter of frequency of the input.
 Hopefully my frequency generator might help, as it is adjustable.
 Cheers Warren
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 On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 at 12:29 PM, Mick mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY]
 <[email protected]> wrote:
 
   
 Hector,
 Very true, divide and conquer!  Real actual liberal values and fiscal conservative are much the same.  Both groups have been co-opted by phony actors who are of neither.
 Just tired of all the hate being spread to polarize people such as Kone saying all gun owners or all conservatives should be killed.  This is the shit that is destroying our civilization.  The media politicizing the murder of people after doing their best for years to spread discontent and hatred on every fucking news show hundreds of times a day.  But people want to be polarized into hate groups for some reason.  
 
 The TTL carrier comment was to present the question: In a wideband class AB RF amp without a LC tank used for the modulation freq, where is the PF of leading or lagging coming from before the antenna load?  Or are you claiming all RF amps even extremely wide-band laboratory amps have an LC tank somewhere such as for the collector bias?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 10/30/2018 5:46 AM, arkresearch@... mailto:arkresearch@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
 
   Left & right had always being part of one body ......like 2 hands 
 
 one jerks it off wile the other puts a gun to its head and blows it up ! 
 
 calling democrats liberals is like calling a whore house a monastery  ..
 
 the word does not fit , neither conservatives on the republicans , nothing to conserve here !
 
 
 Amen ! 
 
 
 
 (H)