Fwd: Re: Fwd: [EVGRAY] Is the Gramme-machine a Lenz-less device?

Finding old files of interest! RIP Jerry

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Subject: 	Re: Fwd: [EVGRAY] Is the Gramme-machine a Lenz-less device?
Date: 	Thu, 13 Apr 2017 11:14:55 -0500
From: 	Norman Wootan <[email protected]>
To: 	Jerry Decker <[email protected]>



"Now I remember the whole scenario" for you met with Victor while I was
talking to Dale, then you showed me the basics of the circuit!   Too bad
all of Victors treasures were lost!  Same with Cheyenne's collection!
What a "shame"!   You certainly have a lot to write about!   Just think
about all that has happened in our "life spans"!


On 4/12/2017 10:53 AM, Jerry Decker wrote:
> Hola Norm!
>
> That would be Victor Hansen who died a few years ago....the circuit 
> was patented and used ground currents and atmospheric electricity...I 
> believe it was Plauson...
>
> Conversion of atmospheric electric energy
> https://patents.google.com/patent/US1540998A/en?q=plauson
>
> There were several others of a similar type being discussed but I only 
> remember Plauson.
>
> Victor had the body style of Tom Bearden...he drove an old staton 
> wagon and I believe lived in Ohio.  He was friends with Jim who was on 
> Keelynet for many years.  Victor was trapped by some mean girls who 
> had him sent to prison by lying on him...they and their boyfriends 
> proceeded to rob and trash his place in the country since Vic lived 
> alone...nearly killed him when he got out to see his life collection 
> gone...
>
> He is the guy who bought the Keely motor from the Franklin Museum for 
> $1000US...then he and Dale and Walter Baumgartner figured out it 
> worked from water hammer.
>
> I think the engine was stolen as well...he should have at least given 
> it to Dale for safe keeping....but you know how hoarders protect their 
> hordes....if Cheyenne had done that with us as she intended, much of 
> her collection would still be around...but the fucked around and never 
> signed that last will that spelled out very clearly that Paul, me and 
> the Dr. were to get everything and continue to run Eclectic....but no 
> signature so only the last one giving it to her asshole last hubby Jim 
> held out and Dorothy Price was executor but it got too deep for her so 
> she says hey, I'm 80 or whatever and don't have time or patience for 
> this...
>
> Anyway...knew Vic several years...nice fellow...he'd go off on the 
> deep end sometimes tying in way paranormal stuff with Keely but he had 
> some good stuff...I kick myself for not pushing to get a photocopy of 
> that original letter in Teslas own hand written to Bloomfield Moore 
> where Tesla was trying to get Moores to finance him and calling Keely 
> every name in the book...actually held it in my hot hands and read 
> every word in wonderment...and he had MORE original stuff he'd 
> collected over many years.
>
> But they put him in a home and Jim would go visit and tell me what he 
> and Vic were up to...Jim has about 5 kids and runs his family 
> farm....short, curly blond hair and wore glasses...nice guy...haven't 
> heard from him in years but Vic is wormfood...
>
> Jerry
>
>
> On 4/12/2017 8:51 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>> Hey! Jerry,, Remember when we went to a Conference up in Denver that had
>> all the "big boys there" like Tom Bearden, Dale Pond and many others!
>> While we were talking to Dale Pond, You met with an "old man", I believe
>> his name was William or Walter where he gave you this diagram of a "free
>> energy" coil???    You gave me the information and I wanted to try this
>> but never pursued it.  Do you recall this??
>>
>>
>>
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>> Subject:     [EVGRAY] Is the Gramme-machine a Lenz-less device?
>> Date:     Wed, 12 Apr 2017 00:45:09 +0200
>> From:     Lutz Liebers [email protected] [EVGRAY] 
>> <[email protected]>
>> Reply-To:     [email protected]
>> To:     [email protected]
>>
>>
>>
>> See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramme_machine
>>
>> Similar to this
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramme_machine#/media/File:Gramme_Ring_Armature_-_Minimal_Core_Penetration.jpg 
>>
>> there is a drawing good for thinking about the right answer:
>> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z%C3%A9nobe_Gramme#/media/File:Grammescher_Ring.png 
>>
>>
>> My considerations:
>> - The current flows from the plus-brush at the bottom through the load
>> up to the minus brush
>>    from where it branches into the left and the right portion of the
>> closed winding receiving the concordant induction
>> - Under load Lenz comes into play: according to the right hand rule
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-hand_rule#/media/File:Manoderecha.svg 
>>
>>    the two fluxes caused by I1 and I2 are of equal magnitude, and spread
>> according to the orientation drawn in blue
>> - At the bottom brush they are directed against each other. That does
>> not necessarily mean that they should cancel out each other.
>>    Instead they might unite into one and look for some iron in the
>> vicinity of the bottom brush to jump out of the ring. However no iron is
>> right there.
>>    So the inducing magnetic flux of the electro magnet used in Gramme's
>> times (now to be replaced by modern neos) streaming horizontally
>>    might not be affected by the opposing Lenz-fluxes when current is
>> drawn by the load.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sounds promising - anything wrong with my view?
>>
>> Instead of making the ring turn and using brushes, we might install a
>> static Gramme ring and make the neos rotate around the ring.
>> For that purpose to each pair of a winding-portion oriented diametrally
>> we connect a bridge rectifier that leads to bus bars of common plus and
>> minus.
>> Each pair of diametral windings momentarily exposed to the highest EMF
>> will overtake the output voltage fed through its dedicated bridge 
>> rectifier
>> for a short moment. In other words: Until the inducing flux has rotated
>> by 180 degrees, the other bridge rectifiers will do the same for a short
>> while.
>>
>> A further development might be seen in the use of a rotating three phase
>> magnetic field that spins around the static Gramme ring.
>> A variable frequency inverter might be a good thing for the excitation
>> of the appropriate pairs of coils. And 400Hz instead of 50 or 60 would
>> reduce
>> all related components in size.
>>
>> So far, so good if I was right.
>>
>> But now the crux comes along: the Gramme machine can be used as a motor,
>> too. And so the Lenz-free (in question) performance of the
>> Gramme generator should express in some certain way when being used as a
>> motor:
>> - a Lenz affected school science constructed DC motor increases its
>> current consumption when drag is applied to its rotating shaft slowing
>> it down.
>> - a Lenz-less Gramme motor should keep its consumption unchanged when
>> mechanic load is applied and the rpms decrease.
>>
>> However I have no idea how that might be maintained when looking at the
>> simple physics behind.
>> Any ideas to share?
>>
>> Yet another question: Where are the regions where the EMF is produced?
>> Close to the brushes where the fluxes pass through the ring like through
>> a soleonid ?
>>
>> 
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