coherent fields?

Hi Mick,

 Wilbert http://www.treurniet.ca/Smith/ArchiveIndex.html Brockhouse http://www.rexresearch.com/smith/magnet.htm Smith http://www.rexresearch.com/smith/newsci~1.htm talks about coherent fields in the way of storing energy. He gives the example of energy in a magnetic field like in a coil. When two similar coils have the same current through them they each may represent one unit of energy. If then the same two coils share the same space (i.e. wound on the same core) and still share the same current they suddenly store four units of energy instead of the two units when wound on two separate cores of still the same type. This shows that when the field becomes coherent it stores double the energy of the same two fields when incoherent (separate or just added). The trick is to input the energy as separate fields and then mix them into a coherent field. This is what I believe Pierre Cotnoir http://gratisenergi.se/mphase.htm has achieved. Several free energy devices are using this principle.

Regards

Ole Hi Ole,

Do you think it is possible to have coherent fields in Nikola Tesla Bifilar Coil for Electromagnets or like the modern version Bifilar Electromagnet Experiment?

Best Wishes, Hermes http://gratisenergi.se/radiant.htm http://gratisenergi.se/radiant.htm

Hi Hermes,

As long as separate turns of a coil shares the same current and the same magnetic path of the core the resultant magnetic field is coherent. The current also has to flow in the same direction around the core. Thus for a bifilar coil the current has to go in the same direction in both wires to make the resultant field coherent. It doesn't matter if the coils are wound in the same direction or in opposing directions. Only the direction of the current around the leg of the core matters.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <hermesatar@...> wrote :

 Hi Mick,

 Wilbert http://www.treurniet.ca/Smith/ArchiveIndex.html Brockhouse http://www.rexresearch.com/smith/magnet.htm Smith http://www.rexresearch.com/smith/newsci~1.htm talks about coherent fields in the way of storing energy. He gives the example of energy in a magnetic field like in a coil. When two similar coils have the same current through them they each may represent one unit of energy. If then the same two coils share the same space (i.e. wound on the same core) and still share the same current they suddenly store four units of energy instead of the two units when wound on two separate cores of still the same type. This shows that when the field becomes coherent it stores double the energy of the same two fields when incoherent (separate or just added). The trick is to input the energy as separate fields and then mix them into a coherent field. This is what I believe Pierre Cotnoir http://gratisenergi.se/mphase.htm has achieved. Several free energy devices are using this principle.

Regards

Ole Hi Ole,

Do you think it is possible to have coherent fields in Nikola Tesla Bifilar Coil for Electromagnets or like the modern version Bifilar Electromagnet Experiment?

Best Wishes, Hermes http://gratisenergi.se/radiant.htm http://gratisenergi.se/radiant.htm

OleThis is very interesting about these two fields.I wonder if there is a simple experiment where we can observe this phenomena for ourselves?Perhaps a bifilar Bedini coil can be used?Essntially, it is just a solenoid wound with two twisted magnet wire filiments
around a core, for ease of availability, a bundle of soft steel wire gas welding rods, or straight. steel wires you have handy.Yes, one could even likely use lamp cord, or speaker wire.How would you wire up this test circuit?Cheers WarrenSent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 1:06 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Mick,

WilbertBrockhouseSmithtalks about coherent fields in the way of storing energy. He gives the example ofenergy in a magnetic field like in a coil. When two similar coils have the samecurrent through them they each may represent one unit of energy. If then the same twocoils share the same space (i.e. wound on the same core) and still share the samecurrent they suddenly store four units of energy instead of the two units when woundon two separate cores of still the same type. This shows that when the field becomescoherent it stores double the energy of the same two fields when incoherent (separateor just added). The trick is to input the energy as separate fields and then mix theminto a coherent field. This is what I believePierre Cotnoir has achieved. Severalfree energy devices are using this principle.

Regards

Ole
Hi Ole,

Do you think it is possible to have coherent fields inNikola Tesla Bifilar Coil for Electromagnets or like the modern versionBifilar Electromagnet Experiment?

Best Wishes, Hermeshttp://gratisenergi.se/radiant.htm


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Hi Warren,

"I wonder if there is a simple experiment where we can observe this phenomena for ourselves?"

Of course there is.

If not wanting to wind coils the experiment can be done by using a 1 to 1 transformer. Use one with two similar secondaries and leave the primary open. Just be careful not to touch the primary during experimenting as any kick backs on the secondaries are transformed to the original primary too.

To measure the energy stored in a coil there are two easy ways. One is by calculating the energy when the inductance of the coil is known as well as the current through it. The other way is by dumping the energy of the coil through a rectifier to a capacitor to calculate the stored energy by knowing the capacitance and the voltage across the capacitor. The current continues flowing in the same direction it was started when interrupted (Lenz' law). The diode has to point in that direction.

Part one
Have something to limit the current. Then let the current go through first one of the coils then through the other coil and calculate the energy using any of the above mentioned methods. If the coils are similar the stored energy is the same.

Part two
Connect the two coils in series with the current going the same way around the core. The current is adjusted to the same level as used by the single coils in part one of the experiment. Then calculate the stored energy the same way as before. This will give four times the energy of each of the single coils in part one of the experiment.

The energy can also be measured directly by dumping the current through a rectifier to a resistor and using a digital storage oscilloscope with multiplying and integrating functions.

The energy E in a coil and capacitor:

L is the inductance, I is the current, C is the capacitance and U is the tension (voltage).

Regards
Ole

 

---In [email protected], <schoonersolsticemoon@...> wrote :

 Ole This is very interesting about these two fields.
 I wonder if there is a simple experiment where we can observe this phenomena for ourselves?
 Perhaps a bifilar Bedini coil can be used?
 Essntially, it is just a solenoid wound with two twisted magnet wire filiments
around a core, for ease of availability, a bundle of soft steel wire gas welding rods, or straight. steel wires you have handy.
 Yes, one could even likely use lamp cord, or speaker wire.
 How would you wire up this test circuit?
 Cheers Warren
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature
 
 On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 1:06 AM, hermesatar@... [EVGRAY]
 <[email protected]> wrote:

   Hi Mick,

 Wilbert http://www.treurniet.ca/Smith/ArchiveIndex.html Brockhouse http://www.rexresearch.com/smith/magnet.htm Smith http://www.rexresearch.com/smith/newsci~1.htm talks about coherent fields in the way of storing energy. He gives the example of energy in a magnetic field like in a coil. When two similar coils have the same current through them they each may represent one unit of energy. If then the same two coils share the same space (i.e. wound on the same core) and still share the same current they suddenly store four units of energy instead of the two units when wound on two separate cores of still the same type. This shows that when the field becomes coherent it stores double the energy of the same two fields when incoherent (separate or just added). The trick is to input the energy as separate fields and then mix them into a coherent field. This is what I believe Pierre Cotnoir http://gratisenergi.se/mphase.htm has achieved. Several free energy devices are using this principle.

Regards

Ole
 Hi Ole,

Do you think it is possible to have coherent fields in Nikola Tesla Bifilar Coil for Electromagnets or like the modern version Bifilar Electromagnet Experiment?

Best Wishes, Hermes http://gratisenergi.se/radiant.htm http://gratisenergi.se/radiant.htm

Hi Warren,

The formulas for calculating the energy didn't get through in the email version. Here they are attached.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <onielsen@...> wrote :

 Hi Warren,

"I wonder if there is a simple experiment where we can observe this phenomena for ourselves?"

Of course there is.

If not wanting to wind coils the experiment can be done by using a 1 to 1 transformer. Use one with two similar secondaries and leave the primary open. Just be careful not to touch the primary during experimenting as any kick backs on the secondaries are transformed to the original primary too.

To measure the energy stored in a coil there are two easy ways. One is by calculating the energy when the inductance of the coil is known as well as the current through it. The other way is by dumping the energy of the coil through a rectifier to a capacitor to calculate the stored energy by knowing the capacitance and the voltage across the capacitor. The current continues flowing in the same direction it was started when interrupted (Lenz' law). The diode has to point in that direction.

Part one
Have something to limit the current. Then let the current go through first one of the coils then through the other coil and calculate the energy using any of the above mentioned methods. If the coils are similar the stored energy is the same.

Part two
Connect the two coils in series with the current going the same way around the core. The current is adjusted to the same level as used by the single coils in part one of the experiment. Then calculate the stored energy the same way as before. This will give four times the energy of each of the single coils in part one of the experiment.

The energy can also be measured directly by dumping the current through a rectifier to a resistor and using a digital storage oscilloscope with multiplying and integrating functions.

The energy E in a coil and capacitor:

L is the inductance, I is the current, C is the capacitance and U is the tension (voltage).

Regards
Ole

 

---In [email protected], <schoonersolsticemoon@...> wrote :

 Ole This is very interesting about these two fields.
 I wonder if there is a simple experiment where we can observe this phenomena for ourselves?
 Perhaps a bifilar Bedini coil can be used?
 Essntially, it is just a solenoid wound with two twisted magnet wire filiments
around a core, for ease of availability, a bundle of soft steel wire gas welding rods, or straight. steel wires you have handy.
 Yes, one could even likely use lamp cord, or speaker wire.
 How would you wire up this test circuit?
 Cheers Warren
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature
 
 On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 1:06 AM, hermesatar@... [EVGRAY]
 <[email protected]> wrote:

   Hi Mick,

 Wilbert http://www.treurniet.ca/Smith/ArchiveIndex.html Brockhouse http://www.rexresearch.com/smith/magnet.htm Smith http://www.rexresearch.com/smith/newsci~1.htm talks about coherent fields in the way of storing energy. He gives the example of energy in a magnetic field like in a coil. When two similar coils have the same current through them they each may represent one unit of energy. If then the same two coils share the same space (i.e. wound on the same core) and still share the same current they suddenly store four units of energy instead of the two units when wound on two separate cores of still the same type. This shows that when the field becomes coherent it stores double the energy of the same two fields when incoherent (separate or just added). The trick is to input the energy as separate fields and then mix them into a coherent field. This is what I believe Pierre Cotnoir http://gratisenergi.se/mphase.htm has achieved. Several free energy devices are using this principle.

Regards

Ole
 Hi Ole,

Do you think it is possible to have coherent fields in Nikola Tesla Bifilar Coil for Electromagnets or like the modern version Bifilar Electromagnet Experiment?

Best Wishes, Hermes http://gratisenergi.se/radiant.htm http://gratisenergi.se/radiant.htm