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Hello Ole, it is not accurate at 50Hz to measure the reactive current and to calculate the inductance over xl because these devices work anyway with 50 Hz and I work with this frequency in my experiments. The differences are extremely measured from 250 mH inductance to 1.12 H calculated inductance over xl. Greetings Sven


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Hi Sven,

"My LCR meter shows completely different values ​​as the calculation over XL"
The calculation also has to take into account the resistance and capacitance. Some LCR meters can measure the device under test at different frequencies to change the influence of the parasitic parts of the device. E.g. like watching the influence of the capacitance and resistance of an inductor.

The parasitic parts of a coil can be found with a sine generator and an oscilloscope and some calculations. The inductance can be found as well.

Inductor model:

The image is taken from here: http://www.techlib.com/area_50/Readers/Craig/switching.htm
For explanation go the bottom chapter "Real World Inductors" on that page.

Regards
Ole



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Hi Ole, Warren, I can not build the capacitors myself. Tuning the inductors is a challenge. I can still calculate the reactance when I put the transformer to 50 Hz 230v and measure the mA. Then Xl = U x I. If I bring both transformers to the same XL value I have the same inductance. My LCR meter shows completely different values ​​as the calculation over XL. Greetings Sven
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Sven

You change the uf value by simply taking scissors and trimming down the aluminium foil that is inside the plastic sheet. You can get very high tollerances as you discover this sloppy primitive method of making capacitors.
Other than being larger than commercial capacitors, they are very good at keeping the correct values through a very large voltage range.
Hot glue is good to stick the rolls tight against moisture. I use 3M clear tape for holding the roll rolled up tight, and temporarly placing parts. Super glue the electrodes in place.
Cheers
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Hello Warren, 0.003 is the max. Tolerance allowed on every component, capacitor as well as inductor. Example: 15.0015 and 15.020, the tolerance is too large. 15,0015 and 15,018 is still allowed. All uF values. Greetings Sven

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Sven

That value you give as bothering you?
Is that .003? Uf?
If it is a capacitor, you should take seriously home made ones like the ones I built. They work, although the materials are so cheap, they are practically free.
I tested it at 10 kv without arcing.
Polyethylene sheet plastic, and aluminium foil, sandwiched together.
They are not difficult to make, and the values stay constant. I put them inside toilet paper core tubes, which I then painted with varnish ( clear wood finish, like Epithanes, or Sitkens)
If you want detailed instructions, I would be pleased to continue, to share my experience.
Keep up you good work!
We all support you in spirit, if not money.
Ha,hah
Cheers Warren


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On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 10:27 AM, 'Sven Friedrich' s.friedrich@... [EVGRAY]
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Hello Douglas,

You're right, but I would never want to do that and sell it, no matter how tempting it is. I see it more as a challenge that makes a lot of fun and maybe we go down in history and I was there, even if my name is not mentioned but I know it. Before I reveal a success, I will document everything so anyone can try it.
I will only fix myself on the diode plug. Everyone should start a solid project where he thinks it can be done.
The Daisychain would be something for Warren, since he already has engines for it and has already tried it, as an example. I think so we get on, the eternal back and forth that could still be and this will lead to nothing in the long run

These 0.003 really bother me.

Such exact values ​​can not be found in the electrical engineering the perfect twins. laughing. But I face the challenge.

Do you have an idea how to tune the impedance or inductance exactly and can measure except with an LCR meter which is very inaccurate I think.

If you now take a Variac and set it exactly to 200 volts, for example, and switch an accurate AC meter in series with the coil, you can measure the no-load current or even magnetizing current. For smaller inductors, the current would have to be larger and smaller for larger inductors. Measuring current with amperes and milliamperes is also not an issue, because I would have my 3 point after the decimal point.

I hope the translation is good.

regards

Sven
 
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Hi Sven

Yes I think it is 3000 USD for one of those motor kits, this does not include half the stuff too but whatever you can build one yourself for probably $300 USD- the design is so simple all you need are 6 big neodymium magnets, large spool of magnet wire, reed switch (or halls better) solid state relay and fast steering diode and can easily make it out of hardwood or plywood if you want....

I call his motor-generator a "synchronous air-cored Muller motor generator".

I have tried to write to him and let him know next step is to short those coils at sinewave peaks into caps but he never answers his email....most probably everyday he gets 10 emails calling him a fake and he is sick of it...

Hector tried to contact him too, I assume about the rotovertor stuff, but again no answer back.

For the graphite crystal silicon cells I don't know price but to buy 12 of them like in stack he shows I imagine 3000 USD at least...probably 5000USD since these are prototype units.

Imagine how much money you would have if some people asked you to sell to them your transvertor project, "as-is", and they also want to pay you the same amount of money it would cost to have a professional  elelctronic research and testing and certification laboratory do the project you have done on your own so far......and they would pay you how many hours you have put into it, and at the same rate as that professional laboratory would charge ($150 USD at least probably) you would be rich!

So if people interested in free-energy machines have the money to spend and want to buy the things that Mike at Quantamagnetics builds and sells - then fine!

They save all that time and also support Mike and his business......there is nobody else out there selling products like he does that I know of.  Some people will sell plans and kits, like creative science, but not working units.

(Although there are kits for the Bedini-wheel $900 un-assembled)

So more power to him I say, but I am sure if he offered for sale an actual run-all-by-itself looping machine he would be shut down within a couple days by the MIBs and who knows who...

ciao

Konehead

Hi Sven,

I'm not sure I understand. The impedance is the voltage divided by the current. The inductive reactance is the imaginary part of the impedance where the current lags 90 degrees behind the voltage. If the current doesn't lag 90 degrees behind the voltage then there's also resistance in series with the coil.

If the series resistance is small compared to the inductive reactance the reactance can be calculated as the voltage divided by the current because the reactance becomes equal to the impedance when the resistance is decreased to zero. The phase angle Φ between the voltage and current will then increase to 90 degrees.

            
The figure is taken from here: https://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/accircuits/ac-inductance.html https://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/accircuits/ac-inductance.html

As the inductive reactance is

Where f is the frequency and L the inductance the inductance then becomes:

Assuming low resistance compared to the reactance XL this latter almost becomes equal to the impedance Z. At high current the core of an inductor can saturate which decreases the inductance. Thus make the measurements at low current to avoid saturating the core. Perhaps this is what you're expiring. The phase angle between the voltage and current can be checked with a scope to be sure it is 90 degrees. Else this simple calculation doesn't apply and the resistance or the phase angle has to be known too for the correct calculation of the inductance.

Regards
Ole



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 Hello Ole, it is not accurate at 50Hz to measure the reactive current and to calculate the inductance over xl because these devices work anyway with 50 Hz and I work with this frequency in my experiments. The differences are extremely measured from 250 mH inductance to 1.12 H calculated inductance over xl. Greetings Sven
 

 

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   Hi Sven,

"My LCR meter shows completely different values ​​as the calculation over XL"
The calculation also has to take into account the resistance and capacitance. Some LCR meters can measure the device under test at different frequencies to change the influence of the parasitic parts of the device. E.g. like watching the influence of the capacitance and resistance of an inductor.

The parasitic parts of a coil can be found with a sine generator and an oscilloscope and some calculations. The inductance can be found as well.

Inductor model:

The image is taken from here: http://www.techlib.com/area_50/Readers/Craig/switching.htm http://www.techlib.com/area_50/Readers/Craig/switching.htm
For explanation go the bottom chapter "Real World Inductors" on that page.

Regards
Ole

 

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 Hi Ole, Warren, I can not build the capacitors myself. Tuning the inductors is a challenge. I can still calculate the reactance when I put the transformer to 50 Hz 230v and measure the mA. Then Xl = U x I. If I bring both transformers to the same XL value I have the same inductance. My LCR meter shows completely different values ​​as the calculation over XL. Greetings Sven
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   Sven
 You change the uf value by simply taking scissors and trimming down the aluminium foil that is inside the plastic sheet. You can get very high tollerances as you discover this sloppy primitive method of making capacitors.
 Other than being larger than commercial capacitors, they are very good at keeping the correct values through a very large voltage range.
 Hot glue is good to stick the rolls tight against moisture. I use 3M clear tape for holding the roll rolled up tight, and temporarly placing parts. Super glue the electrodes in place.
 Cheers
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