Patrick Kelly's Joule Theif "perpetual light" youtube site

Hi All
 Here is very good and very interesting youtube site that Patrick Kelley has just posted only a few days ago.....looks to me like very simple and overunity joule theif type circuits to give light and/or charge batteries...
 He explains in an irish-english monotone clearly and patiently and has very good circuit drawings easy to understand,  and seems to have actually done the circuits too....he even tested different battery brands too...
 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf7aNQD2GPA&t=1618s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf7aNQD2GPA&t=1618s

There is a fucking war coming on top of us ..

buy solar cells & prepare  , if you had not being able to use a coilbanger  strobe circuit this neither will 
be on your level reach ...

you will be caught with your pants down  and shlonged by the horse of distractions...


(H)

Hector,

Could you re-post the party strobe coilbanger diagram.  Cannot seem to 
find anywhere...

Electric rocket sounds interesting!  All the patents that look capable 
of levitating something heavy enough to be useful call for 
superconductors or other rare/expensive tech.  Have a feeling the whole 
thing is very simple and with proper finesse can be accomplished by 
harvesting local fields with a small initial energy input and not too 
much cash.

What is your opinion of the Grebenikov story about allegedly using 
insect parts to create a levitation platform?

Probably just another horse of distraction.


On 1/1/2018 7:45 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> There is a fucking war coming on top of us ..
>
> buy solar cells & prepare  , if you had not being able to use a 
> coilbanger  strobe circuit this neither will
> be on your level reach ...
>
> you will be caught with your pants down  and shlonged by the horse of 
> distractions...
>
>
> (H)
>
>

Ole,

Thanks for that!
Was looking two days back and kept getting empty directories, weird...

Do PF oil caps have lower ESR with the higher voltage spec models like 
the lytics seem to?
Can you recommend from experience any self healing high voltage PF 
correction caps?

Have a great 2018, hope to see more of your experiments soon.




On 1/1/2018 8:56 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Hi Mick,
>
> Search files section:
> EvGray: 
> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EVGRAY/search/files?query=coil%20banger
> EvGrayTooB: 
> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EVGRAYTOOB/search/files?query=coil%20banger
>
> They're also in EvGrayTooC.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>
> Hector,
>
> Could you re-post the party strobe coilbanger diagram.  Cannot seem to 
> find anywhere...
>
> Electric rocket sounds interesting!  All the patents that look capable 
> of levitating something heavy enough to be useful call for 
> superconductors or other rare/expensive tech.  Have a feeling the 
> whole thing is very simple and with proper finesse can be accomplished 
> by harvesting local fields with a small initial energy input and not 
> too much cash.
>
> What is your opinion of the Grebenikov story about allegedly using 
> insect parts to create a levitation platform?
>
> Probably just another horse of distraction.
>
>
> On 1/1/2018 7:45 AM, arkresearch@... <mailto:arkresearch@...> [EVGRAY] 
> wrote:
>
>>     There is a fucking war coming on top of us ..
>>
>>     buy solar cells & prepare  , if you had not being able to use a
>>     coilbanger  strobe circuit this neither will
>>     be on your level reach ...
>>
>>     you will be caught with your pants down  and shlonged by the
>>     horse of distractions...
>>
>>
>>     (H)
>>
>
>

Hi Mick,

Search files section:
EvGray: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EVGRAY/search/files?query=coil%20banger https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EVGRAY/search/files?query=coil%20banger
EvGrayTooB: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EVGRAYTOOB/search/files?query=coil%20banger https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EVGRAYTOOB/search/files?query=coil%20banger

They're also in EvGrayTooC.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :

 Hector,
 Could you re-post the party strobe coilbanger diagram.  Cannot seem to find anywhere...
 Electric rocket sounds interesting!  All the patents that look capable of levitating something heavy enough to be useful call for superconductors or other rare/expensive tech.  Have a feeling the whole thing is very simple and with proper finesse can be accomplished by harvesting local fields with a small initial energy input and not too much cash.

 What is your opinion of the Grebenikov story about allegedly using insect parts to create a levitation platform?
 Probably just another horse of distraction.

 
 On 1/1/2018 7:45 AM, arkresearch@... mailto:arkresearch@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   There is a fucking war coming on top of us ..
 
 buy solar cells & prepare  , if you had not being able to use a coilbanger  strobe circuit this neither will 
 be on your level reach ...
 
 you will be caught with your pants down  and shlonged by the horse of distractions...
 
 
 (H)

Hi Ole,

When you bridge the impedance you can drive easily is now doubled 
however the push pull format is what is probably not letting the 
resonance ring.  The resonant part of the circuit needs to wave freely 
in the breeze, remove anything clamping it.

I still think you will have a problem accepting the energy back into the 
amp backwards in your four quadrant concept, just decouple supply with 
some large caps and diodes and move forwards.


On 1/2/2018 6:47 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Hi Mick,
>
> "Do PF oil caps have lower ESR with the higher voltage spec models 
> like the lytics seem to?"
> I don't know. But being physical bigger for thicker dielectric the 
> foil area is bigger too so I suppose the ESR is lower too. Check the 
> datasheets.
>
> "Can you recommend from experience any self healing high voltage PF 
> correction caps?"
> No. Check the different manufacture catalogues.
>
> "...hope to see more of your experiments soon."
> They're not working too well at the moment regarding OU. I'm using the 
> class D amplifier in bridge mode (two phased floating outputs) to 
> prevent power supply pumping. Only slightly over unity shows up now.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>
> Ole,
>
> Thanks for that!
> Was looking two days back and kept getting empty directories, weird...
>
> Do PF oil caps have lower ESR with the higher voltage spec models like 
> the lytics seem to?
> Can you recommend from experience any self healing high voltage PF 
> correction caps?
>
> Have a great 2018, hope to see more of your experiments soon.
>
>
> ....
>

Hi Mick,

"Do PF oil caps have lower ESR with the higher voltage spec models like the lytics seem to?"
I don't know. But being physical bigger for thicker dielectric the foil area is bigger too so I suppose the ESR is lower too. Check the datasheets.

"Can you recommend from experience any self healing high voltage PF correction caps?"
No. Check the different manufacture catalogues.

"...hope to see more of your experiments soon."
They're not working too well at the moment regarding OU. I'm using the class D amplifier in bridge mode (two phased floating outputs) to prevent power supply pumping. Only slightly over unity shows up now.

Regards
Ole 

---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :

 Ole,
 
 Thanks for that!
 Was looking two days back and kept getting empty directories, weird...
 
 Do PF oil caps have lower ESR with the higher voltage spec models like the lytics seem to?
 Can you recommend from experience any self healing high voltage PF correction caps?
 
 Have a great 2018, hope to see more of your experiments soon.
 
 
 ...

Ole,

When you refer to the primary resonant tank, you are referring to your 
antiphase transformer?

Your original antiphase transformer circuit that was providing extra 
energy-   My understanding is the Class D amp was being used a  clean 
sine wave source so the parametric pumping you are speculating on would 
be derived from the buss pumping to the power rail on the half bridge or 
some hetrodyning of the double and half frequency,  are these your thoughts?

On the output side not accounting for the power supply depending on 
frequency the clocking pulses could provide another source of 
parametrics if the steep low pass filter were not doing its job. The 
transformer you made looks as if it could pass some higher frequencies 
along with your intended ones.  But again your spectrum analyzer looked 
pretty clean so I would rule that out if you were looking that high.

DId you try the half bridge mode with cap decoupled outputs prior to 
moving on to the full bridge?

Lots of strange things go on inside the class D topology.  Maybe go with 
a class A for your designing as they are much less likely to add as many 
unforeseen variables.

I have yet to read about the class E and the allegedly channeled data.

Page 12 is interesting concerning the buss pumping.   Would decoupling 
the output after the smoothing caps with some more diodes stop this 
occurrence in a half bridge topology?

My understanding is when you changed to full bridge mode the power 
supply is no longer heating up and you are not seeing excess energy.  
With balanced topology I don't think the antiphase transformer can ring 
as well.  With balanced  the PSRR goes way up and even harmonics way 
down.  If the energy is stochastic resonance as Hector often claims then 
noise and distortion can be our friend rather than our enemy as is tamed 
in regular audio circuits.



On 1/6/2018 5:30 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Hi Mick,
>
> The primary resonant tank is not driven at its resonant frequency. If 
> I remember correct it is driven at double the resonant frequency. 
> Perhaps I should calculate or measure the resonant frequency again.
>
> In a true H-bridge configuration the current going through the 
> freewheeling diodes of the two off state switches are used by the 
> other two on state transistors that doesn't have to take current from 
> the power supply rails. This should prevent the voltage on the power 
> supply rails from increasing according to page 12 here: 
> https://www.infineon.com/dgdl/an-1071.pdf?fileId=5546d462533600a40153559538eb0ff1
>
> Perhaps this parametrically change in voltage is what made the 
> transformer give off free energy. The amplifier used at least as much 
> power as was output by the transformer even though the power going 
> into the primary LC-tank was only reactive power.
>
> According to this channeled interview with Nikola Tesla (Nikola Tesla: 
> Nobody knows my story. It's Time to tell you EVERYTHING 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKKEH7IsjRQ) he recommends the class E 
> amplifier of Nathan O. & Allen D. Sokal (1975) to drive tesla coils if 
> he had lived today.
> https://wiki2.org/en/Power_amplifier_classes#Class_E
>
> http://www.g-qrp-dl.de/Projekte/80m_E-Endstufe/classEampl.pdf
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>
> Hi Ole,
>
> When you bridge the impedance you can drive easily is now doubled 
> however the push pull format is what is probably not letting the 
> resonance ring.  The resonant part of the circuit needs to wave freely 
> in the breeze, remove anything clamping it.
>
> I still think you will have a problem accepting the energy back into 
> the amp backwards in your four quadrant concept, just decouple supply 
> with some large caps and diodes and move forwards.
>
>
> On 1/2/2018 6:47 AM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>>     Hi Mick,
>>
>>     "Do PF oil caps have lower ESR with the higher voltage spec
>>     models like the lytics seem to?"
>>     I don't know. But being physical bigger for thicker dielectric
>>     the foil area is bigger too so I suppose the ESR is lower too.
>>     Check the datasheets.
>>
>>     "Can you recommend from experience any self healing high voltage
>>     PF correction caps?"
>>     No. Check the different manufacture catalogues.
>>
>>     "...hope to see more of your experiments soon."
>>     They're not working too well at the moment regarding OU. I'm
>>     using the class D amplifier in bridge mode (two phased floating
>>     outputs) to prevent power supply pumping. Only slightly over
>>     unity shows up now.
>>
>>     Regards
>>     Ole
>>
>>
>>
>>     ---In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
>>     <mkjekyll@...> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>
>>     Ole,
>>
>>     Thanks for that!
>>     Was looking two days back and kept getting empty directories,
>>     weird...
>>
>>     Do PF oil caps have lower ESR with the higher voltage spec models
>>     like the lytics seem to?
>>     Can you recommend from experience any self healing high voltage
>>     PF correction caps?
>>
>>     Have a great 2018, hope to see more of your experiments soon.
>>
>>
>>     .....
>
>

Ole,

Ok now I understand what is happening with your power supply asymmetry, 
but pumping in one direction is very interesting. Maybe this is common 
to class D half bridge topology...
Reminds me of guitar amp designs where in a push pull class A output 
stage they create a voltage offset asymmetry on purpose in order to 
generate even harmonics.

I looked at the class E  amp and it looks more like a power oscillator 
designed around a tank circuit.   Seems as if one would be tied to the 
frequency for the design which looks like a class C amp driving a tank 
circuit and designed as a ZCS or ZVS or combo.    Maybe I am overlooking 
something here and not grocking it all, but it does not look wideband 
like a class D. Notwithstanding the schematic I was looking at seemed as 
if it would allow for ringing and harmonic 3rds and all of the things we 
might desire to drive another reactive load if not simply using the tank 
part for our energy harvesting.

Other than that it does seem like an excellent source for power, once 
one has the frequency and load figured out.  I think you're right in 
your desire for a proper load.  All of these tuned resonant designs the 
curse and the challenge is finding a very static stable load.

What is the Russian schematic you are citing?


On 1/6/2018 8:55 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Hi Mick,
>
> "When you refer to the primary resonant tank, you are referring to 
> your antiphase transformer?"
> Yes.
>
> "Your original antiphase transformer circuit that was providing extra 
> energy-   My understanding is the Class D amp was being used a  clean 
> sine wave source so the parametric pumping you are speculating on 
> would be derived from the buss pumping to the power rail on the half 
> bridge or some hetrodyning of the double and half frequency,  are 
> these your thoughts?"
> Something like that. The amplification of a class D amplifier is 
> proportional to its rail supply voltage. Thus any change here is 
> distorting the signal. The reactive power then is not a perfect sine 
> anymore. When measuring the power over at least 20 cycles to minimize 
> the influence of the power in each direction the measurement could 
> perhaps be influenced by the distortion to show pure reactive while 
> actually being something else. Just a thought!
>
> "DId you try the half bridge mode with cap decoupled outputs prior to 
> moving on to the full bridge?"
> I don't know if the decoupling was good enough. The power supply was 
> quite unstable when adjusting close to pure reactive power. One supply 
> rail voltage would climb while the other one declined. This looks like 
> power supply pumping. I even tried with eight small lead acid 
> accumulators which gave the same problem. The accumulators were only 
> 1.2 Ah (12V). Perhaps they have too high impedance for this purpose. 
> It was clearly seen that the voltage started increasing at one supply 
> rail while decreasing at the opposite rail.
>
> "Would decoupling the output after the smoothing caps with some more 
> diodes stop this occurrence in a half bridge topology?"
> I think only a two quadrant power supply is able to solve the problem 
> when using only a mono block class D amplifier. The power supply must 
> be able to sink or dissipate the stored energy of the inductor. If 
> searching power supply pumping some solutions minimizes the problem 
> when using two channels where they work in anti-phase. The car class D 
> amplifier is actually working that way which makes it easy to bridge 
> couple when given a mono signal and using the two output phases 
> already put in anti-phase. In stereo mode one of the speakers is 
> connected in anti-phase to be able to output the signal in phase with 
> the other channel.
>
> "If the energy is stochastic resonance as Hector often claims then 
> noise and distortion can be our friend rather than our enemy as is 
> tamed in regular audio circuits."
> Then the Russian schematic with the double variable autotransformer 
> could be the way to do it. By the way I actually made such a 
> transformer using a stack of ferrite ring cores. The output load is 
> critical which could be the problem at the moment. A variable 
> resistive load for matching the proper impedance is needed. The 
> variable autotransformer puts in inductance when not loaded correct. 
> Too many variables to keep track on! Perhaps I need to find a DC 
> coupled class A amplifier to convert to an electronic load. They're 
> pretty expensive and very inefficient but probably able to do the job 
> as a power generator as well as an electronic load given the right 
> feedback loop.
>
>
> There are also AC electronic loads out there but they're very 
> expensive. Two or four quadrant power supplies are yet another 
> expensive possibility.
>
> According to W.B. Smith's theory the excess energy is supplied by the 
> all permeating background field(s) by making separate fields coherent.
>
> In the channeled Tesla info he talks about quarts copper and a magnet 
> for generating free energy.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>
> Ole,
>
> When you refer to the primary resonant tank, you are referring to your 
> antiphase transformer?
>
> Your original antiphase transformer circuit that was providing extra 
> energy-   My understanding is the Class D amp was being used a  clean 
> sine wave source so the parametric pumping you are speculating on 
> would be derived from the buss pumping to the power rail on the half 
> bridge or some hetrodyning of the double and half frequency,  are 
> these your thoughts?
>
> On the output side not accounting for the power supply depending on 
> frequency the clocking pulses could provide another source of 
> parametrics if the steep low pass filter were not doing its job. The 
> transformer you made looks as if it could pass some higher frequencies 
> along with your intended ones.  But again your spectrum analyzer 
> looked pretty clean so I would rule that out if you were looking that 
> high.
>
> DId you try the half bridge mode with cap decoupled outputs prior to 
> moving on to the full bridge?
>
> Lots of strange things go on inside the class D topology.  Maybe go 
> with a class A for your designing as they are much less likely to add 
> as many unforeseen variables.
>
> I have yet to read about the class E and the allegedly channeled data.
>
> Page 12 is interesting concerning the buss pumping. Would decoupling 
> the output after the smoothing caps with some more diodes stop this 
> occurrence in a half bridge topology?
>
> My understanding is when you changed to full bridge mode the power 
> supply is no longer heating up and you are not seeing excess energy.  
> With balanced topology I don't think the antiphase transformer can 
> ring as well.  With balanced  the PSRR goes way up and even harmonics 
> way down.  If the energy is stochastic resonance as Hector often 
> claims then noise and distortion can be our friend rather than our 
> enemy as is tamed in regular audio circuits.
>
>
>
> On 1/6/2018 5:30 PM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>>     Hi Mick,
>>
>>     The primary resonant tank is not driven at its resonant
>>     frequency. If I remember correct it is driven at double the
>>     resonant frequency. Perhaps I should calculate or measure the
>>     resonant frequency again.
>>
>>     In a true H-bridge configuration the current going through the
>>     freewheeling diodes of the two off state switches are used by the
>>     other two on state transistors that doesn't have to take current
>>     from the power supply rails. This should prevent the voltage on
>>     the power supply rails from increasing according to page 12 here:
>>     https://www.infineon.com/dgdl/an-1071.pdf?fileId=5546d462533600a40153559538eb0ff1
>>
>>     Perhaps this parametrically change in voltage is what made the
>>     transformer give off free energy. The amplifier used at least as
>>     much power as was output by the transformer even though the power
>>     going into the primary LC-tank was only reactive power.
>>
>>     According to this channeled interview with Nikola Tesla (Nikola
>>     Tesla: Nobody knows my story. It's Time to tell you EVERYTHING
>>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKKEH7IsjRQ) he recommends the
>>     class E amplifier of Nathan O. & Allen D. Sokal (1975) to drive
>>     tesla coils if he had lived today.
>>     https://wiki2.org/en/Power_amplifier_classes#Class_E
>>
>>     http://www.g-qrp-dl.de/Projekte/80m_E-Endstufe/classEampl.pdf
>>
>>     Regards
>>     Ole
>>
>>
>>
>>     ---In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
>>     <mkjekyll@...> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>
>>     Hi Ole,
>>
>>     When you bridge the impedance you can drive easily is now doubled
>>     however the push pull format is what is probably not letting the
>>     resonance ring.  The resonant part of the circuit needs to wave
>>     freely in the breeze, remove anything clamping it.
>>
>>     I still think you will have a problem accepting the energy back
>>     into the amp backwards in your four quadrant concept, just
>>     decouple supply with some large caps and diodes and move forwards.
>>
>>
>>     On 1/2/2018 6:47 AM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY]
>>     wrote:
>>
>>>         Hi Mick,
>>>
>>>         "Do PF oil caps have lower ESR with the higher voltage spec
>>>         models like the lytics seem to?"
>>>         I don't know. But being physical bigger for thicker
>>>         dielectric the foil area is bigger too so I suppose the ESR
>>>         is lower too. Check the datasheets.
>>>
>>>         "Can you recommend from experience any self healing high
>>>         voltage PF correction caps?"
>>>         No. Check the different manufacture catalogues.
>>>
>>>         "...hope to see more of your experiments soon."
>>>         They're not working too well at the moment regarding OU. I'm
>>>         using the class D amplifier in bridge mode (two phased
>>>         floating outputs) to prevent power supply pumping. Only
>>>         slightly over unity shows up now.
>>>
>>>         Regards
>>>         Ole
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         ---In [email protected]
>>>         <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>>         <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>
>>>         Ole,
>>>
>>>         Thanks for that!
>>>         Was looking two days back and kept getting empty
>>>         directories, weird...
>>>
>>>         Do PF oil caps have lower ESR with the higher voltage spec
>>>         models like the lytics seem to?
>>>         Can you recommend from experience any self healing high
>>>         voltage PF correction caps?
>>>
>>>         Have a great 2018, hope to see more of your experiments soon.
>>>
>>>
>>>         ......
>>
>
>

Hi Mick,

The primary resonant tank is not driven at its resonant frequency. If I remember correct it is driven at double the resonant frequency. Perhaps I should calculate or measure the resonant frequency again.

In a true H-bridge configuration the current going through the freewheeling diodes of the two off state switches are used by the other two on state transistors that doesn't have to take current from the power supply rails. This should prevent the voltage on the power supply rails from increasing according to page 12 here: https://www.infineon.com/dgdl/an-1071.pdf?fileId=5546d462533600a40153559538eb0ff1 https://www.infineon.com/dgdl/an-1071.pdf?fileId=5546d462533600a40153559538eb0ff1

Perhaps this parametrically change in voltage is what made the transformer give off free energy. The amplifier used at least as much power as was output by the transformer even though the power going into the primary LC-tank was only reactive power.

According to this channeled interview with Nikola Tesla (Nikola Tesla: Nobody knows my story. It's Time to tell you EVERYTHING https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKKEH7IsjRQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKKEH7IsjRQ) he recommends the class E amplifier of Nathan O. & Allen D. Sokal (1975) to drive tesla coils if he had lived today.
https://wiki2.org/en/Power_amplifier_classes#Class_E https://wiki2.org/en/Power_amplifier_classes#Class_E 
 http://www.g-qrp-dl.de/Projekte/80m_E-Endstufe/classEampl.pdf http://www.g-qrp-dl.de/Projekte/80m_E-Endstufe/classEampl.pdf

Regards
Ole

 

---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :

 Hi Ole,
 When you bridge the impedance you can drive easily is now doubled however the push pull format is what is probably not letting the resonance ring.  The resonant part of the circuit needs to wave freely in the breeze, remove anything clamping it.

 I still think you will have a problem accepting the energy back into the amp backwards in your four quadrant concept, just decouple supply with some large caps and diodes and move forwards.  

 
 On 1/2/2018 6:47 AM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Hi Mick,
 
 "Do PF oil caps have lower ESR with the higher voltage spec models like the lytics seem to?"
 I don't know. But being physical bigger for thicker dielectric the foil area is bigger too so I suppose the ESR is lower too. Check the datasheets.
 
 "Can you recommend from experience any self healing high voltage PF correction caps?"
 No. Check the different manufacture catalogues.
 
 "...hope to see more of your experiments soon."
 They're not working too well at the moment regarding OU. I'm using the class D amplifier in bridge mode (two phased floating outputs) to prevent power supply pumping. Only slightly over unity shows up now.
 
 Regards
 Ole
 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <mkjekyll@...> mailto:mkjekyll@... wrote :
 
 Ole,
 
 Thanks for that!
 Was looking two days back and kept getting empty directories, weird...
 
 Do PF oil caps have lower ESR with the higher voltage spec models like the lytics seem to?
 Can you recommend from experience any self healing high voltage PF correction caps?
 
 Have a great 2018, hope to see more of your experiments soon.
 
 
 ....

Hi Mick,

"When you refer to the primary resonant tank, you are referring to your antiphase transformer?"
Yes.

 "Your original antiphase transformer circuit that was providing extra energy-   My understanding is the Class D amp was being used a  clean sine wave source so the parametric pumping you are speculating on would be derived from the buss pumping to the power rail on the half bridge or some hetrodyning of the double and half frequency,  are these your thoughts?"
Something like that. The amplification of a class D amplifier is proportional to its rail supply voltage. Thus any change here is distorting the signal. The reactive power then is not a perfect sine anymore. When measuring the power over at least 20 cycles to minimize the influence of the power in each direction the measurement could perhaps be influenced by the distortion to show pure reactive while actually being something else. Just a thought!

"DId you try the half bridge mode with cap decoupled outputs prior to moving on to the full bridge?"
I don't know if the decoupling was good enough. The power supply was quite unstable when adjusting close to pure reactive power. One supply rail voltage would climb while the other one declined. This looks like power supply pumping. I even tried with eight small lead acid accumulators which gave the same problem. The accumulators were only 1.2 Ah (12V). Perhaps they have too high impedance for this purpose. It was clearly seen that the voltage started increasing at one supply rail while decreasing at the opposite rail.

"Would decoupling the output after the smoothing caps with some more diodes stop this occurrence in a half bridge topology?"
I think only a two quadrant power supply is able to solve the problem when using only a mono block class D amplifier. The power supply must be able to sink or dissipate the stored energy of the inductor. If searching power supply pumping some solutions minimizes the problem when using two channels where they work in anti-phase. The car class D amplifier is actually working that way which makes it easy to bridge couple when given a mono signal and using the two output phases already put in anti-phase. In stereo mode one of the speakers is connected in anti-phase to be able to output the signal in phase with the other channel.

"If the energy is stochastic resonance as Hector often claims then noise and distortion can be our friend rather than our enemy as is tamed in regular audio circuits."
Then the Russian schematic with the double variable autotransformer could be the way to do it. By the way I actually made such a transformer using a stack of ferrite ring cores. The output load is critical which could be the problem at the moment. A variable resistive load for matching the proper impedance is needed. The variable autotransformer puts in inductance when not loaded correct. Too many variables to keep track on! Perhaps I need to find a DC coupled class A amplifier to convert to an electronic load. They're pretty expensive and very inefficient but probably able to do the job as a power generator as well as an electronic load given the right feedback loop.

 
There are also AC electronic loads out there but they're very expensive. Two or four quadrant power supplies are yet another expensive possibility.

According to W.B. Smith's theory the excess energy is supplied by the all permeating background field(s) by making separate fields coherent.

In the channeled Tesla info he talks about quarts copper and a magnet for generating free energy.

Regards
Ole

 

---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :

 Ole,
 When you refer to the primary resonant tank, you are referring to your antiphase transformer?

 Your original antiphase transformer circuit that was providing extra energy-   My understanding is the Class D amp was being used a  clean sine wave source so the parametric pumping you are speculating on would be derived from the buss pumping to the power rail on the half bridge or some hetrodyning of the double and half frequency,  are these your thoughts?
 On the output side not accounting for the power supply depending on frequency the clocking pulses could provide another source of parametrics if the steep low pass filter were not doing its job.  The transformer you made looks as if it could pass some higher frequencies along with your intended ones.  But again your spectrum analyzer looked pretty clean so I would rule that out if you were looking that high.

 DId you try the half bridge mode with cap decoupled outputs prior to moving on to the full bridge?

 Lots of strange things go on inside the class D topology.  Maybe go with a class A for your designing as they are much less likely to add as many unforeseen variables.
 I have yet to read about the class E and the allegedly channeled data.  

 Page 12 is interesting concerning the buss pumping.   Would decoupling the output after the smoothing caps with some more diodes stop this occurrence in a half bridge topology? 

 My understanding is when you changed to full bridge mode the power supply is no longer heating up and you are not seeing excess energy.  With balanced topology I don't think the antiphase transformer can ring as well.  With balanced  the PSRR goes way up and even harmonics way down.  If the energy is stochastic resonance as Hector often claims then noise and distortion can be our friend rather than our enemy as is tamed in regular audio circuits.

 

  
 On 1/6/2018 5:30 PM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Hi Mick,
 
 The primary resonant tank is not driven at its resonant frequency. If I remember correct it is driven at double the resonant frequency. Perhaps I should calculate or measure the resonant frequency again.
 
 In a true H-bridge configuration the current going through the freewheeling diodes of the two off state switches are used by the other two on state transistors that doesn't have to take current from the power supply rails. This should prevent the voltage on the power supply rails from increasing according to page 12 here: https://www.infineon.com/dgdl/an-1071.pdf?fileId=5546d462533600a40153559538eb0ff1 https://www.infineon.com/dgdl/an-1071.pdf?fileId=5546d462533600a40153559538eb0ff1
 
 Perhaps this parametrically change in voltage is what made the transformer give off free energy. The amplifier used at least as much power as was output by the transformer even though the power going into the primary LC-tank was only reactive power.
 
 According to this channeled interview with Nikola Tesla (Nikola Tesla: Nobody knows my story. It's Time to tell you EVERYTHING https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKKEH7IsjRQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKKEH7IsjRQ) he recommends the class E amplifier of Nathan O. & Allen D. Sokal (1975) to drive tesla coils if he had lived today.
 https://wiki2.org/en/Power_amplifier_classes#Class_E https://wiki2.org/en/Power_amplifier_classes#Class_E 

 http://www.g-qrp-dl.de/Projekte/80m_E-Endstufe/classEampl.pdf http://www.g-qrp-dl.de/Projekte/80m_E-Endstufe/classEampl.pdf
 
 Regards
 Ole

 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <mkjekyll@...> mailto:mkjekyll@... wrote :
 
 Hi Ole,
 When you bridge the impedance you can drive easily is now doubled however the push pull format is what is probably not letting the resonance ring.  The resonant part of the circuit needs to wave freely in the breeze, remove anything clamping it.

 I still think you will have a problem accepting the energy back into the amp backwards in your four quadrant concept, just decouple supply with some large caps and diodes and move forwards.  

 
 On 1/2/2018 6:47 AM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Hi Mick,
 
 "Do PF oil caps have lower ESR with the higher voltage spec models like the lytics seem to?"
 I don't know. But being physical bigger for thicker dielectric the foil area is bigger too so I suppose the ESR is lower too. Check the datasheets.
 
 "Can you recommend from experience any self healing high voltage PF correction caps?"
 No. Check the different manufacture catalogues.
 
 "...hope to see more of your experiments soon."
 They're not working too well at the moment regarding OU. I'm using the class D amplifier in bridge mode (two phased floating outputs) to prevent power supply pumping. Only slightly over unity shows up now.
 
 Regards
 Ole
 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <mkjekyll@...> mailto:mkjekyll@... wrote :
 
 Ole,
 
 Thanks for that!
 Was looking two days back and kept getting empty directories, weird...
 
 Do PF oil caps have lower ESR with the higher voltage spec models like the lytics seem to?
 Can you recommend from experience any self healing high voltage PF correction caps?
 
 Have a great 2018, hope to see more of your experiments soon.
 
 
 .....

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---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :

 Ole,
 Ok now I understand what is happening with your power supply asymmetry, but pumping in one direction is very interesting.  Maybe this is common to class D half bridge topology... 
 Reminds me of guitar amp designs where in a push pull class A output stage they create a voltage offset asymmetry on purpose in order to generate even harmonics.

 I looked at the class E  amp and it looks more like a power oscillator designed around a tank circuit.   Seems as if one would be tied to the frequency for the design which looks like a class C amp driving a tank circuit and designed as a ZCS or ZVS or combo.    Maybe I am overlooking something here and not grocking it all, but it does not look wideband like a class D.  Notwithstanding the schematic I was looking at seemed as if it would allow for ringing and harmonic 3rds and all of the things we might desire to drive another reactive load if not simply using the tank part for our energy harvesting.

 Other than that it does seem like an excellent source for power, once one has the frequency and load figured out.  I think you're right in your desire for a proper load.  All of these tuned resonant designs the curse and the challenge is finding a very static stable load. 

 What is the Russian schematic you are citing?

 
 On 1/6/2018 8:55 PM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Hi Mick,
 
 "When you refer to the primary resonant tank, you are referring to your antiphase transformer?"
 Yes.
 

 "Your original antiphase transformer circuit that was providing extra energy-   My understanding is the Class D amp was being used a  clean sine wave source so the parametric pumping you are speculating on would be derived from the buss pumping to the power rail on the half bridge or some hetrodyning of the double and half frequency,  are these your thoughts?"
 Something like that. The amplification of a class D amplifier is proportional to its rail supply voltage. Thus any change here is distorting the signal. The reactive power then is not a perfect sine anymore. When measuring the power over at least 20 cycles to minimize the influence of the power in each direction the measurement could perhaps be influenced by the distortion to show pure reactive while actually being something else. Just a thought!
 
 "DId you try the half bridge mode with cap decoupled outputs prior to moving on to the full bridge?"
 I don't know if the decoupling was good enough. The power supply was quite unstable when adjusting close to pure reactive power. One supply rail voltage would climb while the other one declined. This looks like power supply pumping. I even tried with eight small lead acid accumulators which gave the same problem. The accumulators were only 1.2 Ah (12V). Perhaps they have too high impedance for this purpose. It was clearly seen that the voltage started increasing at one supply rail while decreasing at the opposite rail.
 
 "Would decoupling the output after the smoothing caps with some more diodes stop this occurrence in a half bridge topology?"
 I think only a two quadrant power supply is able to solve the problem when using only a mono block class D amplifier. The power supply must be able to sink or dissipate the stored energy of the inductor. If searching power supply pumping some solutions minimizes the problem when using two channels where they work in anti-phase. The car class D amplifier is actually working that way which makes it easy to bridge couple when given a mono signal and using the two output phases already put in anti-phase. In stereo mode one of the speakers is connected in anti-phase to be able to output the signal in phase with the other channel.
 
 "If the energy is stochastic resonance as Hector often claims then noise and distortion can be our friend rather than our enemy as is tamed in regular audio circuits."
 Then the Russian schematic with the double variable autotransformer could be the way to do it. By the way I actually made such a transformer using a stack of ferrite ring cores. The output load is critical which could be the problem at the moment. A variable resistive load for matching the proper impedance is needed. The variable autotransformer puts in inductance when not loaded correct. Too many variables to keep track on! Perhaps I need to find a DC coupled class A amplifier to convert to an electronic load. They're pretty expensive and very inefficient but probably able to do the job as a power generator as well as an electronic load given the right feedback loop.

 
 There are also AC electronic loads out there but they're very expensive. Two or four quadrant power supplies are yet another expensive possibility.
 
 According to W.B. Smith's theory the excess energy is supplied by the all permeating background field(s) by making separate fields coherent.
 
 In the channeled Tesla info he talks about quarts copper and a magnet for generating free energy.
 
 Regards
 Ole

 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <mkjekyll@...> mailto:mkjekyll@... wrote :
 
 Ole,
 When you refer to the primary resonant tank, you are referring to your antiphase transformer?

 Your original antiphase transformer circuit that was providing extra energy-   My understanding is the Class D amp was being used a  clean sine wave source so the parametric pumping you are speculating on would be derived from the buss pumping to the power rail on the half bridge or some hetrodyning of the double and half frequency,  are these your thoughts?
 On the output side not accounting for the power supply depending on frequency the clocking pulses could provide another source of parametrics if the steep low pass filter were not doing its job.  The transformer you made looks as if it could pass some higher frequencies along with your intended ones.  But again your spectrum analyzer looked pretty clean so I would rule that out if you were looking that high.

 DId you try the half bridge mode with cap decoupled outputs prior to moving on to the full bridge?

 Lots of strange things go on inside the class D topology.  Maybe go with a class A for your designing as they are much less likely to add as many unforeseen variables.
 I have yet to read about the class E and the allegedly channeled data.  

 Page 12 is interesting concerning the buss pumping.   Would decoupling the output after the smoothing caps with some more diodes stop this occurrence in a half bridge topology? 

 My understanding is when you changed to full bridge mode the power supply is no longer heating up and you are not seeing excess energy.  With balanced topology I don't think the antiphase transformer can ring as well.  With balanced  the PSRR goes way up and even harmonics way down.  If the energy is stochastic resonance as Hector often claims then noise and distortion can be our friend rather than our enemy as is tamed in regular audio circuits.

 

  
 On 1/6/2018 5:30 PM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Hi Mick,
 
 The primary resonant tank is not driven at its resonant frequency. If I remember correct it is driven at double the resonant frequency. Perhaps I should calculate or measure the resonant frequency again.
 
 In a true H-bridge configuration the current going through the freewheeling diodes of the two off state switches are used by the other two on state transistors that doesn't have to take current from the power supply rails. This should prevent the voltage on the power supply rails from increasing according to page 12 here: https://www.infineon.com/dgdl/an-1071.pdf?fileId=5546d462533600a40153559538eb0ff1 https://www.infineon.com/dgdl/an-1071.pdf?fileId=5546d462533600a40153559538eb0ff1
 
 Perhaps this parametrically change in voltage is what made the transformer give off free energy. The amplifier used at least as much power as was output by the transformer even though the power going into the primary LC-tank was only reactive power.
 
 According to this channeled interview with Nikola Tesla (Nikola Tesla: Nobody knows my story. It's Time to tell you EVERYTHING https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKKEH7IsjRQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKKEH7IsjRQ) he recommends the class E amplifier of Nathan O. & Allen D. Sokal (1975) to drive tesla coils if he had lived today.
 https://wiki2.org/en/Power_amplifier_classes#Class_E https://wiki2.org/en/Power_amplifier_classes#Class_E 

 http://www.g-qrp-dl.de/Projekte/80m_E-Endstufe/classEampl.pdf http://www.g-qrp-dl.de/Projekte/80m_E-Endstufe/classEampl.pdf
 
 Regards
 Ole

 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <mkjekyll@...> mailto:mkjekyll@... wrote :
 
 Hi Ole,
 When you bridge the impedance you can drive easily is now doubled however the push pull format is what is probably not letting the resonance ring.  The resonant part of the circuit needs to wave freely in the breeze, remove anything clamping it.

 I still think you will have a problem accepting the energy back into the amp backwards in your four quadrant concept, just decouple supply with some large caps and diodes and move forwards.  

 
 On 1/2/2018 6:47 AM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Hi Mick,
 
 "Do PF oil caps have lower ESR with the higher voltage spec models like the lytics seem to?"
 I don't know. But being physical bigger for thicker dielectric the foil area is bigger too so I suppose the ESR is lower too. Check the datasheets.
 
 "Can you recommend from experience any self healing high voltage PF correction caps?"
 No. Check the different manufacture catalogues.
 
 "...hope to see more of your experiments soon."
 They're not working too well at the moment regarding OU. I'm using the class D amplifier in bridge mode (two phased floating outputs) to prevent power supply pumping. Only slightly over unity shows up now.
 
 Regards
 Ole
 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <mkjekyll@...> mailto:mkjekyll@... wrote :
 
 Ole,
 
 Thanks for that!
 Was looking two days back and kept getting empty directories, weird...
 
 Do PF oil caps have lower ESR with the higher voltage spec models like the lytics seem to?
 Can you recommend from experience any self healing high voltage PF correction caps?
 
 Have a great 2018, hope to see more of your experiments soon.
 
 
 ......

Hi Mick,

"Ok now I understand what is happening with your power supply asymmetry, but pumping in one direction is very interesting.  Maybe this is common to class D half bridge topology... "
The problem shows up when getting too close to 90 degrees phase shift (reactive or reflected power) between the voltage and current. When crossing the line the setup becomes very unstable by pumping power either to one side or the other until the safety circuit of the amp shuts it down. When the power has dissipated the amp wakes up again to just shut down in repeating sequences.

"What is the Russian schematic you are citing?"
Sorry that was in another group. It's this one: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ferd/attachments/120187998 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ferd/attachments/120187998
No need to log in to be able to see it. The transformer is driven by two thyristors in push-pull mode. The thyristors are controlled by an astable multivibrator. This is even simpler than the class D amplifier. The load is impedance matched by using a double variable autotransformer. As the input voltage is a square wave the current then becomes a triangular wave.

Figure 1 of the document linked to above:

Regards
Ole

 

---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :

 Ole,
 Ok now I understand what is happening with your power supply asymmetry, but pumping in one direction is very interesting.  Maybe this is common to class D half bridge topology... 
 Reminds me of guitar amp designs where in a push pull class A output stage they create a voltage offset asymmetry on purpose in order to generate even harmonics.

 I looked at the class E  amp and it looks more like a power oscillator designed around a tank circuit.   Seems as if one would be tied to the frequency for the design which looks like a class C amp driving a tank circuit and designed as a ZCS or ZVS or combo.    Maybe I am overlooking something here and not grocking it all, but it does not look wideband like a class D.  Notwithstanding the schematic I was looking at seemed as if it would allow for ringing and harmonic 3rds and all of the things we might desire to drive another reactive load if not simply using the tank part for our energy harvesting.

 Other than that it does seem like an excellent source for power, once one has the frequency and load figured out.  I think you're right in your desire for a proper load.  All of these tuned resonant designs the curse and the challenge is finding a very static stable load. 

 What is the Russian schematic you are citing?

 
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