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Wow!  whoa Norman!  lol

Was a time 5-6 years back I could keep pace, now I just meander.

I will make use of your efforts but will take some time to restudy and absorb values and define meanings.

With all respect i have been and  am an admirer of your lifes work.

Consider it an honor to communicate.

Currently trying to acquire high isotopes from lower elements on a thermal reaction .

As a Canadian it is impossible to acquire thorium of any value so I have resorted to elements like

aluminum,magnesium, zinc, copper, wrought iron etc.

Would like to construct a battery so as to create some value of time gains  of input vs output.

Reaction time important.

The zeolite idea is to retain heat but by quick discussion it needs some working time in the brain as to a device method.

As you say  homework!  lol

I remember reading on the Uppsala results.... interesting how things can mutate to a higher "quasi" state like.!!

With Thanks

Regards

Bart


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Bart! To add some fuel to your fire, try this!!

16 October 1996

*To: Hal Fox,Fusion Facts*

*Elemental Replication ?*

**

Around mid September I put together an electrolysis cell similar to the 
Miles Nickel Cold Fusion Cell with the goal of exploring the 
possibilities of making what is termed �Pristine Water�.This water which 
will be used by Homeopaths will have had all memory or information 
removed.This is accomplished by recombining monatomic hydrogen and 
monatomic oxygen as generated in a properly designed cell.This is the 
ultimate in purity since this is water with conditions at the time of 
original creation.�Wholy Water�is a term coined by my dear freind and 
fellow researcher Joe Tyls of Vancouver, BC.After several weeks of 
successful operation producing water that had all the earmarks of a true 
�pristine water� a fellow researcher suggested using an alternate 
electrolyte.A solution was selected that contained 77 colloidal minerals 
as found in plants that are the easiest assimilated into the body.With 
the electrolyte changed the cell was put back into operation as before 
with a nice recombination burn and production of the sought after 
�pristine water�.

After about an hour of operation the cell went absolutely �nuts� with 
the temperature rapidly climbing to boiling point and the current out of 
sight.When the cell was opened we found a deep red sludge deposit which 
shorted the cell plates.Our first thought was that the electrolytic 
action precipitated out the colloidal minerals which caused the deposit 
found.Theelectrolyte was allowed to settle out the 
precipitate.Afterdecanting off,the clear electrolyte was returned to the 
cell for another run. Again the cell operated normally for about an hour 
with a normal recombination burn and recovery of the water being 
consumed by the cell in the splitting action.Again the cell temperature 
and current mirrored the first run.Again the cell contained the same 
amount of sludge residue.This process was repeated ten (10) times with 
exactly the same results.All of the sludge was carefully dried and 
weighed on an electronic scale with a five decimal resolution.The cell 
plates and all hardware were weighed to determine any loss of mass that 
may contribute to the mass gain observed in the sludge.Five hundred 
(500) ml of the original electrolyte solution used in the cell was 
vacuum distilled to determine the exact mass of colloidal minerals 
contained.When all factors were considered we came out with a mass gain 
of48 gm which cannot be explained by conventional electrolysis.

After talking to Dr. Robert Bass and Hal Fox I learned of a patent that 
has been filed on the transmutation of elements in the cold fusion cell 
which is the process that Dr. John Bockris has been so active in.Both 
Dr. Bass and Hal Fox stated that what I was observing is not the same as 
the transmutation observed in the cold fusion cell since I have a 
overall mass gain and not a lateral movement of elements in the periodic 
table toward lighter elements with a resulting heat release.This unusual 
cell operation has caused quite a reaction in the scientific community. 
At this time I have built a complete new cell with every possible factor 
which could possibly explain the mass gain considered and documented.The 
ten (10) consecutive runs on the new cell will be completed soon and a 
report will be forthcoming.What is interesting about this phenomenon is 
that when an eleventh run was made with the original electrolyte exactly 
the same amount of residue was recovered as in the previous ten runs.

Since the same electrolyte is reused each time with only distilled water 
being added to replace the volume lost by the removal of the solids and 
the water recovered by the recombination burn we are hard pressed to 
explain the observed phenomenon.The electrolyte appears stronger in 
mineral concentration and shows no sign of depletion.

After confering with Joe Tyls we arrived at the conclusion that the 77 
colloidal minerals contained in the electrolyte provide the atomic 
templates needed for the monatomic hydrogen (father of all the elements) 
to replicate selected elements in this exotic mixture.If you subscribe 
to the theories of the late Walter Russell and his explanation of the 
octave based periodic table with monatonic hydrogen being what he 
describes as hydrons (precursor to hydrogen) then it is possible for the 
replication of elements directly from energy input alone.This is how all 
matter was created in the beginning as described by Schappeller in �The 
Physics of the Primary State of Matter�.I will keep all informed as to 
our progress and findings in this very intriguing venture.

Norman Wootan

P.O. Box 141049

Dallas, TX 75214

(214) 360-0865

CC:Gene Mallove, Infinite Energy

CC:Dr. John Bockris, Texas A/M


19 October 1996

*To: Hal Fox ,Fusion Facts*

*Elemental Replication?*

**

**On 16 October I made an initial report on the electrolysis cell that 
appears to be creating mass or elements from distilled water and 
electrical energy input.The following is the technical description of 
the cell , set-up procedures, run procedures and the final solid residue 
weight data.

Cell Description

The electrolysis cell is designed to hold one (1) liter of electrolyte 
and operate at approximately 150 watt power level for the production of 
monatomic hydrogen andmonatomic oxygen which is burned back to pure 
water and collected in a glass condenser.Cell container is schedule 40 
PVC pipe section 6 inches long with bottom cap cemented on.The top of 
the cell has a 4 inch female thread adapter cemented on to provide 
access to the interior via a male threaded plug which has the gas outlet 
port and two electrolyte fill ports to provide for replacement of lost 
electrolyte on the fly for continuos operation.Positive and negative 
terminals are provided for external connection of the power supply leads 
to the internal anode- cathode stack.

The cell plate stack consist of 8 anode plates and 8 cathode plates of 
the following sizes constructed from 316L stainless steel of 22 ga. 
thickness.

4 ea.3� X 3� plates,2 ea. 3� X 2.75�plates,2 ea. 3� X 2.5�plates,2 ea. 
3� X 2.25� plates,2 ea. 3� X 2� plates,2 ea. 3� X 1.75� plates, and2 ea. 
3� X 1.5� plates.The plates are drilled and stacked with alternating 
anode and cathode plates spaced 1/8� apart which makes a cylindrical 
shaped array which fits nicely inside of the 4� ID PVCcell 
container.Electrical leads are braided copper of #10 size which are 
covered by shrink tubing to cover conductive surface as they pass 
through the electrolyte to the cell terminal bolts.All electrical 
surfaces other than the anode and cathode plates are carefully covered 
with PVC cement to prevent deterioration from electrolyte contact.Please 
note that if allowed to come into contact with �charged� surfaces 
monatomic hydrogen and monatonic oxygen will imediately form into their 
usual occuring state as diatomic H2 and O2 molecules.

The electrolyte originally used was Potassium Carbonate and distilled 
water mixed to provide a cell current of20 amps @ 5 volts DC.Please 
don�t get excited by saying that 1.7 volts is the ideal voltage for 
electrolysis for this is not intended to be a normal cell operation from 
the get-go if you get my �drift�.The electrolyte that was substituted 
after two weeks of successful cell operation is a product called Body 
Booster which can be bought from most health food outlets and is 
produced byThe Rockland Corporation, Tulsa, OK 741361 (800) 
421-7310.This product contains 77 colloidal minerals which are plant 
derived from humic shale which is mined in Emery County, Utah.Hal Fox 
said he was very familiar with this famous deposit of shale from a 
prehistoric forest dating back 70 million years.I used 500 ml. of the 
selected electrolyte mixed with 500ml. of distilled water which gave me 
a starting cell current of 30 amps @ 5 Volts DC input.The power supply 
selected to drive this electrolysis cell is a switching type that has an 
output of 5 Volts DC with a current capability of 120 amps.

Recombination burn of the monatomic hydrogen and monatomic oxygen give 
the proper heat signatures which enable you to determine whether you are 
generating H2 and O2 gas which is diatomicor the desired monatomic 
gases.Everyone experimenting with the famous �brown�s gas� knows that 
only monatomic gas will provide the high temperatures necessary to 
sublimate a tungsten wire.

Cell Set Up

With the cell set up and ready for operation a safety bubblier must be 
used between the gas generator cell and the burner orifice to prevent 
possible flash back implosion in the generator proper.The burner nozzle 
used was hand drawn from quartz tubingand was fitted inside a Pyrex 
cryogenic condenser unit which is cooled to about 40 degrees F. with 
circulating chilled water.After power is supplied to cell and stable gas 
flow is established through bubblier the burn jet is lit off and 
inserted into the sealed condenser unit so that there is no outside air 
contaminates to deal with.Since the burn of this ideal ratio gas is 
implosive when reforming into water the unit can be run in a totally 
closed and sealed system.Cell voltage , current and temperature is 
monitored by attached instrumentation.A cell this size will generate 
50ml. of reformed water during a 6 hour run with the cell temperature 
stabilizing around 120 degrees F.

Test Results

As stated before, after an hour of running time with the new electrolyte 
the temperature and cell current made a drastic increase caused by the 
shorting out of the cell plate stack from mineral sludge build up.After 
ten (10) runs recycling the same decanted electrolyte back into the cell 
the followingsolid residue data was recorded after careful filtering, 
drying and weighing.

Run # 18.04 gm. dry solid weight

Run # 27.98 gm. dry solid weight

Run # 310.45 gm. dry solid weight

Run # 410.71 gm. dry solid weight

Run # 511.69 gm. dry solid weight

Run # 67.34 gm. dry solid weight

Run # 78.10 gm. dry solid weight

Run # 85.73 gm. dry solid weight

Run # 96.35 gm. dry solid weight

Run #103.96 gm. dry solid weight

_____________________________

Total wt. 80.35 gm. dry solid weight

A sample 500ml. quantity of the original electrolyte selected was vacuum 
distilled down, filtered and dried to determine the actual mineral 
content of the electrolyte with a resulting weight of5.8 gm.The label on 
the bottle state that the mineral content of 500 ml. is 19 gm.Since 
there is a glaring discrepancy between the starting electrolyte mineral 
content and the solid residue yield we carefully weighed all components 
of the cell and found that the cell anode and cathode plates had lost a 
total of34.79 gm of their original total weight of 464.28 gm.A quantity 
of 500 ml. of the beginning electrolyte weighs exactly 527.4 gm.After 10 
runs the 500ml. quantity of the electrolyte weighs 523.9 gm which means 
that there is a density loss of only 3.5 gm. from a beginning (actual) 
mineral content of 5.8 gm.After subtracting all factors we still have an 
excess mass of 45.56 gm. of material.Since this cell had been run for 
two weeks using the potassium carbonate as an electrolyte before the 
switch to the new electrolyte we could not determine the extent of plate 
material loss that had occurred during this first period of operation.

Test Results (New Cell)

The solution was to build a complete new cell with all new parts and 
hardware. Everything was carefully weighed and documented before a new 
series of runs were conducted.The following data is from fifteen (15) 
consecutive runs with the electrolyte being recycled back into the cell 
after extracting the solid residue.

Run #12.84 gm dry solid weight

Run #24.16 gm dry solid weight

Run #34.19 gm. dry solid weight

Run #44.00 gm. dry solid weight

Run #55.96 gm. dry solid weight

Run #62.83 gm. dry solid weight

Run #73.80 gm. dry solid weight

Run #84.95 gm. dry solid weight

Run #96.18 gm. dry solid weight

Run #105.56 gm. dry solid weight

Run #114.33 gm. dry solid weight

Run #124.66 gm. dry solid weight

Run #133.66 gm. dry solid weight

Run #144.52 gm. dry solid weight

Run #156.57 gm. dry solid weight

______________________________

Total wt.68.21 gm. dry solid weight

When you analyze the weight data from the runs the question arises as to 
why there is such deviations in yield between the runs.This can be 
answered from a visual examination of the dried and crushed residue. 
There is a distinct difference in color and texture from one run to the 
other with the beginning runs being a dark brownish hard residuechanging 
to a lighter brown soft clay like residue at the end of the run with an 
increase in volume toward the end of the series.

The electrolyte starts as a light yellow brown colorand ends as a darker 
more brownish yellow fluid which appears to have more dissolved minerals 
present than at the beginning.

The next step was to disassemble the cell components and carefully weigh 
and document any and all losses which may contribute to the observed 
mass gain.After this task was completed we found a total loss of mass 
from the cell plates of 34.44 gm.This leaves us with an unaccounted for 
mass gain of 33.77 gm. derived from a starting volume of electrolyte 
that contains only 5.8 gm. determined by vacuum distillation of the 
actual beginning electrolyte (500 ml.).Two samples of the recovered 
material has been sent to separate labs for analysis to determine 
composition.This will present a problem since the produced minerals seem 
to change in composition and color with each run made.It may be 
necessary to run an analysis on each and every run product to determine 
exact minerals being produced and in what quantities.Keep in mind that 
the electrolyte is far from being spent or stripped of dissolved 
minerals.I stopped the process at 15 runs so I could write this report 
of findings.I will keep everyone informed as to future progress.In the 
mean time I would invite anyone interested to replicate this experiment 
since it is so simple to set up.

CC: Gene Mallove, Infinite Energy

CC: Dr. John Bockris, Texas A/M

Norman Wootan

P.O. Box 141049

Dallas, TX 75214

(214) 360-0865


During my "Presentation" at the Tesla Conference 2015, others got the 
same results that I had found!

BTW!� I did make the "Holly Water" that the "Illuminati" use! Norm


On 12/13/2017 8:02 PM, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Wow!� whoa Norman!� lol
>
> Was a time 5-6 years back I could keep pace, now I just meander.
>
> I will make use of your efforts but will take some time to restudy and 
> absorb values and define meanings.
>
> With all respect i have been and� am an admirer of your lifes work.
>
> Consider it an honor to communicate.
>
> Currently trying to acquire high isotopes from lower elements on a 
> thermal reaction .
>
> As a Canadian it is impossible to acquire thorium of any value so I 
> have resorted to elements like
>
> aluminum,magnesium, zinc, copper, wrought iron etc.
>
> Would like to construct a battery so as to create some value of time 
> gains� of input vs output.
>
> Reaction time important.
>
> The zeolite idea is to retain heat but by quick discussion it needs 
> some working time in the brain as to a device method.
>
> As you say homework!� lol
>
> I remember reading on the Uppsala results.... interesting how things 
> can mutate to a higher "quasi" state like.!!
>
> With Thanks
>
> Regards
>
> Bart
>
>
>
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> Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* December 13, 2017 6:15 PM
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> *Subject:* [EVGRAY] wang_j.pdf
>
>
>
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BartThorium?How much do you need for your experiment?Cheers Warren

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Wow!  whoa Norman!  lol

Was a time 5-6 years back I could keep pace, now I just meander.

I will make use of your efforts but will take some time to restudy and absorb values and define meanings.

With all respect i have been and  am an admirer of your lifes work.

Consider it an honor to communicate.

Currently trying to acquire high isotopes from lower elements on a thermal reaction .

As a Canadian it is impossible to acquire thorium of any value so I have resorted to elements like


aluminum,magnesium, zinc, copper, wrought iron etc.

Would like to construct a battery so as to create some value of time gains  of input vs output.

Reaction time important.

The zeolite idea is to retain heat but by quick discussion it needs some working time in the brain as to a device method.

As you say  homework!  lol

I remember reading on the Uppsala results.... interesting how things can mutate to a higher "quasi" state like.!!


With Thanks 


Regards 


Bart



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Warren
As much as possible.
Preferably mixed with a combination
of elements.
I have tried every where.


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Bart

Thorium?
How much do you need for your experiment?
Cheers Warren

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On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:02 PM, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY]
<[email protected]> wrote:


Wow!  whoa Norman!  lol

Was a time 5-6 years back I could keep pace, now I just meander.

I will make use of your efforts but will take some time to restudy and absorb values and define meanings.

With all respect i have been and  am an admirer of your lifes work.

Consider it an honor to communicate.

Currently trying to acquire high isotopes from lower elements on a thermal reaction .

As a Canadian it is impossible to acquire thorium of any value so I have resorted to elements like

aluminum,magnesium, zinc, copper, wrought iron etc.

Would like to construct a battery so as to create some value of time gains  of input vs output.

Reaction time important.

The zeolite idea is to retain heat but by quick discussion it needs some working time in the brain as to a device method.

As you say  homework!  lol

I remember reading on the Uppsala results.... interesting how things can mutate to a higher "quasi" state like.!!

With Thanks

Regards

Bart


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Warren
Nice place !
Where are we all going to stay.?  lol
Home depot has or is now selling a new panel like Styrofoam but it is not.
Styrofoam like behaviour it is about 1.5 inches thick and is r 30. Would be nice to know it's composites then shots gun something  up. I have not investigated it . Go there  check it out ,it's the colour of purple.
Bart



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Bart

Thorium?
How much do you need for your experiment?
Cheers Warren

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On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:02 PM, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY]
<[email protected]> wrote:


Wow!  whoa Norman!  lol

Was a time 5-6 years back I could keep pace, now I just meander.

I will make use of your efforts but will take some time to restudy and absorb values and define meanings.

With all respect i have been and  am an admirer of your lifes work.

Consider it an honor to communicate.

Currently trying to acquire high isotopes from lower elements on a thermal reaction .

As a Canadian it is impossible to acquire thorium of any value so I have resorted to elements like

aluminum,magnesium, zinc, copper, wrought iron etc.

Would like to construct a battery so as to create some value of time gains  of input vs output.

Reaction time important.

The zeolite idea is to retain heat but by quick discussion it needs some working time in the brain as to a device method.

As you say  homework!  lol

I remember reading on the Uppsala results.... interesting how things can mutate to a higher "quasi" state like.!!

With Thanks

Regards

Bart


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  On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 12:06 PM, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       

Warren Nice place !Where are we all going to stay.?  lolHome depot has or is now selling a new panel like Styrofoam but it is not.Styrofoam like behaviour it is about 1.5 inches thick and is r 30. Would be nice to know it's composites then shots gun something  up. I have not investigated it . Go there  check it out ,it's the colour of purple.Bart
BartMike, who I am having lunch with just bought some this weekIt is R 10 not R 30Unlike urethane foam it keeps its R RatingUrethane 7.5 drops to 6.2 where it stabilizes.Mike is very good Owns Boss Solar and is a terrific guy.You must meet.Changing the studio to heat pump instead of gas.Chers Warren







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Bart
Thorium?How much do you need for your experiment?Cheers Warren

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Wow!  whoa Norman!  lol

Was a time 5-6 years back I could keep pace, now I just meander.

I will make use of your efforts but will take some time to restudy and absorb values and define meanings.

With all respect i have been and  am an admirer of your lifes work.

Consider it an honor to communicate.

Currently trying to acquire high isotopes from lower elements on a thermal reaction .

As a Canadian it is impossible to acquire thorium of any value so I have resorted to elements like


aluminum,magnesium, zinc, copper, wrought iron etc.

Would like to construct a battery so as to create some value of time gains  of input vs output.

Reaction time important.

The zeolite idea is to retain heat but by quick discussion it needs some working time in the brain as to a device method.

As you say  homework!  lol

I remember reading on the Uppsala results.... interesting how things can mutate to a higher "quasi" state like.!!


With Thanks 


Regards 


Bart



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BartDid you try your local Canadian Tire?I bought some at the Crappy Tire in Colbourgh.Remember Coleman gas lamps for camping? The pump up green painted standard unit that graced camp sites across Canada in the summertime, common in park campgrounds as mosquitoes The mantles are radio active thorium, that gives a nice bright 150 watt glow burning naptha gas, whuch is unleaded gasoline.I bought a new Coleman lamp for emergency lighting the schooner, years ago, when we used oil lamps. That sucker puts out serious light, but gives a strange colour, if used for old fashioned colour photography.If you need americum, this other radio active element is available also at Canadian tire.For fun, I would suggest buying an Active Surplus geiger counter, and go for a walk around.Word of warning. Don't put on a hazmet suit, and walk around Port Hope. You might find it dangerous to your health, from the rate payers speculating on property in the rich residentual areas near the water.Since you are near Niagara, explore the American side with your new geiger counter for some surprise readings, in the damnedest places. However, people sure get edgy about their little hot secrets, nobody can see.Thorium, old WW2 aviation ampmeters, surplus inverters from the film department of Ontario Hydro, will be found to bend the needle nearly off the extreme peg on your geiger counter, reading Rems.Don't let your babies suck on these things. Using D.Trumps language.. They are "bad"Cheers Warren.

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Warren As much as possible.Preferably mixed with a combination of elements.I have tried every where.

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Thorium?How much do you need for your experiment?Cheers Warren

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Wow!  whoa Norman!  lol

Was a time 5-6 years back I could keep pace, now I just meander.

I will make use of your efforts but will take some time to restudy and absorb values and define meanings.

With all respect i have been and  am an admirer of your lifes work.

Consider it an honor to communicate.

Currently trying to acquire high isotopes from lower elements on a thermal reaction .

As a Canadian it is impossible to acquire thorium of any value so I have resorted to elements like


aluminum,magnesium, zinc, copper, wrought iron etc.

Would like to construct a battery so as to create some value of time gains  of input vs output.

Reaction time important.

The zeolite idea is to retain heat but by quick discussion it needs some working time in the brain as to a device method.

As you say  homework!  lol

I remember reading on the Uppsala results.... interesting how things can mutate to a higher "quasi" state like.!!


With Thanks 


Regards 


Bart



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Norman   Ok read this  reviewed as much as possible and made up some values on the ? marks ! lol

Whom could say indefinite what the answers are , at this point most of us can only speculate and the ones that do not get restricted by themselves may have the best continued outcomes.

I have found similar results in a controlled vacuum  environment and also in  an ambient environment.

I have used higher amperage's as well as higher voltages. Some of the pressures I have run have been 440lbs.

Some in vacuum and some tests run ambient full out!!! .

All of the earlier builds with 316. Some with potassium hydroxide  some with simple old baking soda and some with out any

induced enhancement to gain any cheating  electrolytic values. Simple tap water, gray water ,spring,ground all I could think of.

I did many controlled values with distilled and like I mentioned now I mostly use distilled only so as to start with my building block

so to speak. This is a water I design intentionally , not by accident.

Let me just say things as I only can, so do not take any dissing meanings only what i can type. No dissing just open chat.

When we get distilled no two distillations are the same. There are ppm s easily once cycled in an electrolysis event.

When you put in your ppm , you should get 0. Some show .5 or 1. What is this???  This is most likely mercury , lead,

the non desired heavy elements or the ppm s of a higher count of some elements which could be anything.

When we look at our ppm we believe it tells us all, at the time. Not so ,... this is where I may be of some value or not perhaps.

If we had a ppm meter to tell us the negative side such as -3. or if you like the fractional parts-.03 (ghost like existances) and so on, that do not quite show themselves that would be cool . But we do not. So if we think what is in there we can find out by a means of changing the charges to play.

Temperature and time also reflect events of the Brownian motion. Dur-ring the Brownian some of the mono h combine some of the o combines, all of the beautiful things and events come to life , some combine for h302  some stay single as the enhanced

charged environment reflects them to do  so. They cluster in groups of different values. Martin Chaplin comes to mind with his  pretty pictures.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=martin+chaplin+water&dcr=0&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiVssjyhY_YAhVH_4MKHeuaD0sQ_AUICigB&biw=1384&bih=766

  This is even with distilled , why because the fractal  values come to play creating

a larger bond with some so the more exposure to the electron the more values enhanced. The more values enhanced the larger the mass

the larger the increased atomic weights , so if you will the higher the electron count the higher the mass weight over all.

Yes we can believe its coming from the a ether yes it could be another value for the higgs. Quarks leptons taus  etc.

The intent is the real value I believe. The consciousness surrounding our world.

Sludge appears as it continues on and becomes less thick and dense as we continue our cycles, but does continue on each time we do it.

Leeching of pipes, adhesives, oil from hands all come to play.  So many factors. In the less than yockto  .

It would be nice to examine with a mass spec each 2-5 min test period with temp , that would most likely tell a better story.

https://www.google.ca/search?dcr=0&ei=dGw0Wt2FBcPPjwSK3oK4AQ&q=yoctosecond&oq=yockto&gs_l=psy-ab.1.1.0i10k1l10.59487181.59492846.0.59496541.6.6.0.0.0.0.230.728.2j3j1.6.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.6.724...0j0i131i67k1j0i131k1j0i67k1j0i10i67k1.0.A58WP55UX70


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Kf2f_9MfPc

Cherenkov Radiation : Particles Faster Than the Speed of Light?<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Kf2f_9MfPc>
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In something like water, particles like electrons can beat light in a race – and cause a blue glow to prove it. Hosted by: Caitlin Hofmeister ---------- Support ...

With the electron in the excited state we could possibly see if and any masses are acquired

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Bart! To add some fuel to your fire, try this!!

16 October 1996

To: Hal Fox,� Fusion Facts

Elemental Replication ?

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����� Around mid September I put together an electrolysis cell similar to the Miles Nickel Cold Fusion Cell with the goal of exploring the possibilities of making what is termed �Pristine Water�.�� This water which will be used by Homeopaths will have had all memory or information removed.� This is accomplished by recombining monatomic hydrogen and monatomic oxygen as generated in a properly designed cell.� This is the ultimate in purity since this is water with conditions at the time of original creation.� �Wholy Water�is a term coined by my dear freind and fellow researcher Joe Tyls of Vancouver, BC.�� After several weeks of successful operation producing water that had all the earmarks of a true �pristine water� a fellow researcher suggested using an alternate electrolyte.�� A solution was selected that contained 77 colloidal minerals as found in plants that are the easiest assimilated into the body.�� With the electrolyte changed the cell was put back into operation as before with a nice recombination burn and production of the sought after �pristine water�.������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������� �������

��� After about an hour of operation the cell went absolutely �nuts� with the temperature rapidly climbing to boiling point and the current out of sight.� When the cell was opened we found a deep red sludge deposit which shorted the cell plates.�� Our first thought was that the electrolytic action precipitated out the colloidal minerals which caused the deposit found.�� The� electrolyte was allowed to settle out the precipitate.�� After� decanting off,� the clear electrolyte was returned to the cell for another run. Again the cell operated normally for about an hour with a normal recombination burn and recovery of the water being consumed by the cell in the splitting action.�� Again the cell temperature and current mirrored the first run.� Again the cell contained the same amount of sludge residue.�� This process was repeated ten (10) times with exactly the same results.�� All of the sludge was carefully dried and weighed on an electronic scale with a five decimal resolution.��������������������� The cell plates and all hardware were weighed to determine any loss of mass that may contribute to the mass gain observed in the sludge.� Five hundred (500) ml of the original electrolyte solution used in the cell was vacuum distilled to determine the exact mass of colloidal minerals contained.� When all factors were considered we came out with a mass gain of� 48 gm which cannot be explained by conventional electrolysis.����������������������

��� After talking to Dr. Robert Bass and Hal Fox I learned of a patent that has been filed on the transmutation of elements in the cold fusion cell which is the process that Dr. John Bockris has been so active in.�� Both Dr. Bass and Hal Fox stated that what I was observing is not the same as the transmutation observed in the cold fusion cell since I have a overall mass gain and not a lateral movement of elements in the periodic table toward lighter elements with a resulting heat release.� This unusual cell operation has caused quite a reaction in the scientific community. �At this time I have built a complete new cell with every possible factor which could possibly explain the mass gain considered and documented.� The ten (10) consecutive runs on the new cell will be completed soon and a report will be forthcoming.�� What is interesting about this phenomenon is that when an eleventh run was made with the original electrolyte exactly the same amount of residue was recovered as in the previous ten runs.�����������������������������������������������������������������������

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Since the same electrolyte is reused each time with only distilled water being added to replace the volume lost by the removal of the solids and the water recovered by the recombination burn we are hard pressed to explain the observed phenomenon.���� The electrolyte appears stronger in mineral concentration and shows no sign of depletion.��������������������������������

�� After confering with Joe Tyls we arrived at the conclusion that the 77 colloidal minerals contained in the electrolyte provide the atomic templates needed for the monatomic hydrogen (father of all the elements) to replicate selected elements in this exotic mixture.� If you subscribe to the theories of the late Walter Russell and his explanation of the octave based periodic table with monatonic hydrogen being what he describes as hydrons (precursor to hydrogen) then it is possible for the replication of elements directly from energy input alone.� This is how all matter was created in the beginning as described by Schappeller in �The Physics of the Primary State of Matter�.��� I will keep all informed as to our progress and findings in this very intriguing venture.

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Norman Wootan

P.O. Box 141049

Dallas, TX 75214

(214) 360-0865

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CC:� Gene Mallove, Infinite Energy

CC:� Dr. John Bockris, Texas A/M


19 October 1996

To: Hal Fox ,� Fusion Facts

Elemental Replication?

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��� On 16 October I made an initial report on the electrolysis cell that appears to be creating mass or elements from distilled water and electrical energy input.� The following is the technical description of the cell , set-up procedures, run procedures and the final solid residue weight data.

Cell Description

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��� The electrolysis cell is designed to hold one (1) liter of electrolyte and operate at approximately 150 watt power level for the production of monatomic hydrogen and� monatomic oxygen which is burned back to pure water and collected in a glass condenser.� Cell container is schedule 40 PVC pipe section 6 inches long with bottom cap cemented on.� The top of the cell has a 4 inch female thread adapter cemented on to provide access to the interior via a male threaded plug which has the gas outlet port and two electrolyte fill ports to provide for replacement of lost electrolyte on the fly for continuos operation.� Positive and negative terminals are provided for external connection of the power supply leads to the internal anode- cathode stack.

��� The cell plate stack consist of 8 anode plates and 8 cathode plates of the following sizes constructed from 316L stainless steel of 22 ga. thickness.

4 ea.� 3� X 3� plates,� 2 ea. 3� X 2.75�plates,� 2 ea. 3� X 2.5�plates,� 2 ea. 3� X 2.25� plates,� 2 ea. 3� X 2� plates,� 2 ea. 3� X 1.75� plates, and� 2 ea. 3� X 1.5� plates.� The plates are drilled and stacked with alternating anode and cathode plates spaced 1/8� apart which makes a cylindrical shaped array which fits nicely inside of the 4� ID PVC� cell container.� Electrical leads are braided copper of #10 size which are covered by shrink tubing to cover conductive surface as they pass through the electrolyte to the cell terminal bolts.� All electrical surfaces other than the anode and cathode plates are carefully covered with PVC cement to prevent deterioration from electrolyte contact.��� Please note that if allowed to come into contact with �charged� surfaces monatomic hydrogen and monatonic oxygen will imediately form into their usual occuring state as diatomic H2 and O2 molecules.

��� The electrolyte originally used was Potassium Carbonate and distilled water mixed to provide a cell current of� 20 amps @ 5 volts DC.� Please don�t get excited by saying that 1.7 volts is the ideal voltage for electrolysis for this is not intended to be a normal cell operation from the get-go if you get my �drift�.�� The electrolyte that was substituted after two weeks of successful cell operation is a product called Body Booster which can be bought from most health food outlets and is produced by� The Rockland Corporation, Tulsa, OK 74136� 1 (800) 421-7310.�� This product contains 77 colloidal minerals which are plant derived from humic shale which is mined in Emery County, Utah.� Hal Fox said he was very familiar with this famous deposit of shale from a prehistoric forest dating back 70 million years.�� I used 500 ml. of the selected electrolyte mixed with 500ml. of distilled water which gave me a starting cell current of 30 amps @ 5 Volts DC input.�� The power supply selected to drive this electrolysis cell is a switching type that has an output of 5 Volts DC with a current capability of 120 amps.

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��� Recombination burn of the monatomic hydrogen and monatomic oxygen give the proper heat signatures which enable you to determine whether you are generating H2 and O2 gas which is diatomic� or the desired monatomic gases.� Everyone experimenting with the famous �brown�s gas� knows that only monatomic gas will provide the high temperatures necessary to sublimate a tungsten wire.

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Cell Set Up

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��� With the cell set up and ready for operation a safety bubblier must be used between the gas generator cell and the burner orifice to prevent possible flash back implosion in the generator proper.� The burner nozzle used was hand drawn from quartz tubing� and was fitted inside a Pyrex cryogenic condenser unit which is cooled to about 40 degrees F. with circulating chilled water.� After power is supplied to cell and stable gas flow is established through bubblier the burn jet is lit off and inserted into the sealed condenser unit so that there is no outside air contaminates to deal with.� Since the burn of this ideal ratio gas is implosive when reforming into water the unit can be run in a totally closed and sealed system.�� Cell voltage , current and temperature is monitored by attached instrumentation.� A cell this size will generate 50ml. of reformed water during a 6 hour run with the cell temperature stabilizing around 120 degrees F.

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Test Results

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���� As stated before, after an hour of running time with the new electrolyte the temperature and cell current made a drastic increase caused by the shorting out of the cell plate stack from mineral sludge build up.�� After ten (10) runs recycling the same decanted electrolyte back into the cell the following� solid residue data was recorded after careful filtering, drying and weighing.

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Run # 1�� 8.04 gm. dry solid weight

Run # 2�� 7.98 gm. dry solid weight

Run # 3� 10.45 gm. dry solid weight

Run # 4� 10.71 gm. dry solid weight

Run # 5� 11.69 gm. dry solid weight

Run # 6��� 7.34 gm. dry solid weight

Run # 7��� 8.10 gm. dry solid weight

Run # 8��� 5.73 gm. dry solid weight

Run # 9��� 6.35 gm. dry solid weight

Run #10�� 3.96 gm. dry solid weight

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Total wt. 80.35 gm. dry solid weight

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�� A sample 500ml. quantity of the original electrolyte selected was vacuum distilled down, filtered and dried to determine the actual mineral content of the electrolyte with a resulting weight of� 5.8 gm.��� The label on the bottle state that the mineral content of 500 ml. is 19 gm.�� Since there is a glaring discrepancy between the starting electrolyte mineral content and the solid residue yield we carefully weighed all components of the cell and found that the cell anode and cathode plates had lost a total of� 34.79 gm of their original total weight of 464.28 gm.� A quantity of 500 ml. of the beginning electrolyte weighs exactly 527.4 gm.� After 10 runs the 500ml. quantity of the electrolyte weighs 523.9 gm which means that there is a density loss of only 3.5 gm. from a beginning (actual) mineral content of 5.8 gm.� After subtracting all factors we still have an excess mass of 45.56 gm. of material.�� Since this cell had been run for two weeks using the potassium carbonate as an electrolyte before the switch to the new electrolyte we could not determine the extent of plate material loss that had occurred during this first period of operation.������������������������������������������������������

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Test Results (New Cell)

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�� The solution was to build a complete new cell with all new parts and hardware. Everything was carefully weighed and documented before a new series of runs were conducted.� The following data is from fifteen (15) consecutive runs with the electrolyte being recycled back into the cell after extracting the solid residue.

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Run #�� 1��� 2.84 gm dry solid weight

Run #�� 2��� 4.16 gm dry solid weight

Run #�� 3��� 4.19 gm. dry solid weight

Run #�� 4��� 4.00 gm. dry solid weight

Run #�� 5��� 5.96 gm. dry solid weight

Run #�� 6��� 2.83 gm. dry solid weight

Run #�� 7��� 3.80 gm. dry solid weight

Run #�� 8��� 4.95 gm. dry solid weight

Run #�� 9��� 6.18 gm. dry solid weight

Run #� 10�� 5.56 gm. dry solid weight

Run #� 11�� 4.33 gm. dry solid weight

Run #� 12�� 4.66 gm. dry solid weight

Run #� 13�� 3.66 gm. dry solid weight

Run #� 14�� 4.52 gm. dry solid weight

Run #� 15�� 6.57 gm. dry solid weight

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Total wt.�� 68.21 gm. dry solid weight

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��� When you analyze the weight data from the runs the question arises as to why there is such deviations in yield between the runs.� This can be answered from a visual examination of the dried and crushed residue. There is a distinct difference in color and texture from one run to the other with the beginning runs being a dark brownish hard residue� changing to a lighter brown soft clay like residue at the end of the run with an increase in volume toward the end of the series.�������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������

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��� The electrolyte starts as a light yellow brown color� and ends as a darker more brownish yellow fluid which appears to have more dissolved minerals present than at the beginning.�

The next step was to disassemble the cell components and carefully weigh and document any and all losses which may contribute to the observed mass gain.�� After this task was completed we found a total loss of mass from the cell plates of 34.44 gm.�� This leaves us with an unaccounted for mass gain of 33.77 gm. derived from a starting volume of electrolyte that contains only 5.8 gm. determined by vacuum distillation of the actual beginning electrolyte (500 ml.).�� Two samples of the recovered material has been sent to separate labs for analysis to determine composition.�� This will present a problem since the produced minerals seem to change in composition and color with each run made.� It may be necessary to run an analysis on each and every run product to determine exact minerals being produced and in what quantities.�� Keep in mind that the electrolyte is far from being spent or stripped of dissolved minerals.�� I stopped the process at 15 runs so I could write this report of findings.� I will keep everyone informed as to future progress.� In the mean time I would invite anyone interested to replicate this experiment since it is so simple to set up.

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CC: Gene Mallove, Infinite Energy

CC: Dr. John Bockris, Texas A/M

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Norman Wootan

P.O. Box 141049

Dallas, TX 75214

(214) 360-0865


During my "Presentation" at the Tesla Conference 2015, others got the same results that I had found!

BTW!� I did make the "Holly Water" that the "Illuminati" use!����� Norm

On 12/13/2017 8:02 PM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
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Wow!� whoa Norman!� lol

Was a time 5-6 years back I could keep pace, now I just meander.

I will make use of your efforts but will take some time to restudy and absorb values and define meanings.

With all respect i have been and� am an admirer of your lifes work.

Consider it an honor to communicate.

Currently trying to acquire high isotopes from lower elements on a thermal reaction .

As a Canadian it is impossible to acquire thorium of any value so I have resorted to elements like

aluminum,magnesium, zinc, copper, wrought iron etc.

Would like to construct a battery so as to create some value of time gains� of input vs output.

Reaction time important.

The zeolite idea is to retain heat but by quick discussion it needs some working time in the brain as to a device method.

As you say� homework!� lol

I remember reading on the Uppsala results.... interesting how things can mutate to a higher "quasi" state like.!!

With Thanks

Regards

Bart


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