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Norman Wootan
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To all, I have thousands of files from the very interesting days of the Keely-Net BBS on which we discussed every subject related to , well, almost everything. In this dialog pay attention to the messages that deal with the propagation of electrons along a conductive line and especially Bill Beaty's Cease of motion wave. Lol Long file but well worth you time reading it. Norm Back in the 80s and 90s, I logged down, daily all the messages that transpired so as to maintain a record of our discussions. Since I was in all levels of research on the BBS, my files have all discussions except the Z level which is strictly SYSOPS, Jerry Decker. =============================================================================== Message 4125 DATE/TIME: 01/07/94 22:04 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : JOEL MCCLAIN Subject: (R) Hal Puthoff Paper Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Joel! GREAT! Haven't seen that one but it correlates with the one by Bearden from Sept. 93 that I got this week, will type it up this weekend...THANKS...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4126 DATE/TIME: 01/07/94 23:54 From : NORMAN WOOTAN To : ALL Subject: Neutral Spike Folder : A, "Public Mail" OK folks let's start some real controversy for I have a theory that has been bothering me for a long time and is based on real world experience and not just idle thinking. In my day to day work I deal with rather large electric motors of the type that utilize large start and run capacitors such as is found in air conditioning equipment etc. On many occasions I have witnessed these motors release extremely high voltage and high amperage pulses or spikes whenever we try to start this type of motor in a locked or semi-locked rotor condition. What I am going to describe is the controversial point and that is the fact that the observed high voltage spike that is very destructive to all electronic equipment is actually coming from the neutral side of the line or the earth ground bonding. I have seen motors nearby that are turned off actually run backwards. Since these motors were of shaded pole design this suggest that a very unusual form of electricity is responsible for this phenomenon that is negative electricity. See the shaded pole motor can only run one direction based on it's design unless you provide extra shading windings to provide for reversal or some other phenomenon such as negative current could run it backwards. Another clue as to the presence of negative electricity is the fact that large switches and contactors have their contacts either completely destroyed or welded together by large currents at high voltage carried over relatively small wires. What is going on here has been eluded to by many researchers in the past such as Tesla when he said that the key to free energy was in IRON for it was a unique element that has 4 free electrons in the M shell of the atom that can be bounced free for use to be replenished from the ether. He stated that a free energy device would be based on a fine grade of steel to take advantage of this unique feature of iron. Dr. Tewari in his book "Beyond Mater" brings out the same fact and is the heart of the famed "N Machine". The best source of an insight as to how this works is found in Dr. Harold Aspden's presentation to the IANS Conference of 1993 titled "The World's Energy Future". In this paper Aspden outlines what occurs when you bring an iron mass to magnetic saturation and allow it to relax. A release of ZPE or ZERO POINT ENERGY comes out of the iron. Yule Brown says it best, "We should think everything backwards in this field of free energy". The backwards thinking comes into play in the fact that when the free electrons in the M shell of the iron atoms are freed they flow out of the iron itself therefore are present in the neutral or earth bond side of the circuit and not in the hot or supply side of the conventional circuit. When you excite atoms to a high electron state and allow them to return to ground state they release photons of energy but retain their original energy levels with no degradation therefore the energy that was lost by photon emission has been replaced from space vacuum or ZPE. The key releasing the 4 free electrons in each iron atom is in the degree of magnetic saturation that occurs in our device design. I have read several papers in the Keely files that incorporate magnetic saturation of iron in the basic design of the device such as the Gray Motor that used bucking opposing magnetic fields to pop the iron electrons free. The error most researchers are making is that they are looking for the energy manifestation to occur in the conductors associated with the design but should be looking at the ground or earth bond side of the circuit. See, all electric motors have a bonding or ground wire attached to the iron stator in most cases is the neutral side of the input line. I hope that this input to the free energy puzzle will prompt some massage of gray matter and maybe we can build the future machine we have all been looking for. Norm =============================================================================== Message 4127 DATE/TIME: 01/08/94 02:25 From : BILL BEATY -- RECEIVED -- To : BERT POOL Subject: (R) Time Dialation Experiments Folder : A, "Public Mail" Long ago I heard about the possibility that Tesla coils may change the flow of time around them, so I considered building a timewarp meter based on crystal oscillators. You might want to consider doing this. You'd end up with a handheld device which would give IMMEDIATE indications of changes in time flow. You could wave the thing around your rotating masses and directly detect any anomolous effects. . I never did build this device, so I don't know how easy it would be to get working. Put a pair of quartz crystal oscillators into opposite ends of an oblong shielding box, run them off batteries, add the outputs (or XOR them), and send the result to a freq counter (or to a speaker.) Throw a trimmer cap across one crystal, and adjust it so the beat note is listenable. Anything that slightly changes the freq of one crystal, or changes both but by different amounts, will change the output. If you're lucky, you won't need temperature controls on the box to stop drift from body heat, etc. That's the whole thing. Using 30mhz crystals, you could probably detect a timeflow change of a few millionths of a percent. Since the oscillators are arranged along a certain axis, you could even use the device to map out the shape of any timewarp field that you detect. . What do you think? . -Bill B. =============================================================================== Message 4128 DATE/TIME: 01/08/94 09:02 From : NORMAN WOOTAN To : ALL Subject: Neutral Spike Folder : A, "Public Mail" Now for some additional notes on the subject of neutral spikes or ZPE occurrences let's look at the all too familiar Tesla coil what is so popular because of the splendid fireworks display they produce. Tesla said that in order to do effective work a large coil should not produce sparking or a corona discharge about the elevated capacitance. ???????? Your immediate response is, have is the work taped and where is it occurring? Well Mr. Tesla clearly stated that the whole purpose of designing a device that would operate at full free resonance at the earth natural frequency of 7.83 HZ (he used 8 HZ in his day) was to produce a power wave that would pump electrons directly in and out of the earth via a deep grounding system that was firmly attached to the earth. I have talked to many tesla coil builders and have found not one who was interested in exploring the ZPE pumping of electrons directly in and out of a deep earth ground such as Tesla had planed to use at Wardencliff, Long Island. If you read carefully such documents as D.C. Cox "Modern Resonance Transformer Design" you will find clearly stated that a deep or good earth ground is necessary and this conductor must be a cable of substantial size for a considerable current of earth pumped electrons does occur when the coil is operating at full free resonance. He states that if an attempt is made to earth ground a coil with zip cord it will result in a burned up ground wire. Well I might be dense or otherwise afflicted but this sure sounds like ZPE tapping to me. Why can't Tesla coil builders out there explore this phenomenon to determine the over-unity aspects of a Tesla coil that is operated at full resonance and better yet modulate one to get an earth resonant power wave of approximately 7.83 HZ. I say approximately for I don't think anyone has successfully nailed down the exact earth resonant frequency as of yet. This figure is close enough for government work at this time or until someone comes up with a more precise figure. I belabor the point for out there lies those who will say, "You missed the freq by .01 HZ", You know them as pain in the ass nit-pickers. Keep the focus on the over-unity aspects and not on precise detail. I have tossed this out on the table of debate so as to prompt input from the many out there who have taken the well spent time to study the basic Tesla coil designs parameters and can give us back some meaningful input. Let's hear or read some feed-back from the depths of this KeelyNet. Your friend Norm. =============================================================================== Message 4129 DATE/TIME: 01/08/94 10:40 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN Subject: (R) Neutral Spike Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Norm! EXCELLENT cubed!!! The grounding is similar to what the Rogers underground communication system says must happen...that an energy is inside the planet and be modulated just like slapping the surface of water, except in this instance it's more like a hydrophone (underwater speaker/microphone for those who don't know what a hydrophone is). Anyway, as I understood Tesla, he said the Earth could be pumped up like a large capacitor and it was done at the resonant frequency (around 8HZ, depending on which version of the Schumann peaks one wants to use) of the Earth. The waves of this energetically vibrating planetary capacitor would thus form peaks and valleys. By tuning to this frequency and adjusting so the phase was matched, one could thus tap the energy. I was always puzzled by the Colorado Springs experiment where farmers and citizens for miles from the site complained of drawing arcs from the ground to their feet as they walked. This is what made me regard the Earth as power source experiments irrelevant, i.e. because with all the electronics we have now, it just would destroy everything... However, your premise that iron is the secret to tapping the negative force flow makes sense in many ways which we can discuss in person. Interesting that some of the UFO reports said Earth was considered a treasure house BECAUSE OF IRON...a rare element in the galaxy??? Perhaps Iron has the relaxation effect Bearden writes about, but I think you are more down to earth with the 4 electron description...something we can measure and work with NOW, until the optimum relaxation time material shows up through experiment or calculation. You know, Moray's device also required a very long ANTENNA and the deeper the ground, the more power he could tap...perhaps the earth has shells of varying power densities. But your message is definitely worthy of conversion to a file....>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4130 DATE/TIME: 01/08/94 10:51 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : BILL BEATY Subject: (R) Time Dialation Experiments Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bill! What an interesting approach! And it makes sense and should be easy to build, in effect a VCO using a crystal as the detector, sounds very familiar except this one is being used to detect the time variations...what was it they used way back, ah yes, the THEREMIN, with a capacitive plate as the detector...as you wobbled your hand above the plate, the capacitive variations would cause the frequency to change, thus providing "music" for the "silent movies" in early film days. And this is a scanner for just such fields...excellent!...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4132 DATE/TIME: 01/08/94 12:37 From : JOEL MCCLAIN -- RECEIVED -- To : BERT POOL Subject: Tesla fed to bucking coils Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha" Hi Bert, Curiosity drive us to try strange things, and then to wonder about what we see as a result. I built two bucking coils from coax, as in the TRANSLRT file, except using coax, and center fed the coax with the Tesla secondary outout, and no connection to either shield. Measuring field strength with an analog meter, I noticed that the meter would rotate CCW...not the movement, but the whole meter. So, checked with a magnetic needle compass, and found that the compass will rotate twice for each rotation around the bucking coils. Also, the output of the Tesla seems more stable, and if bucking couil theory is correct, a large omnidirectional scalar wave is being created, possibly suitable for a communication application. Wanted to share that with you, and look forward to your opinions. CUL Joel cc: Jerry Decker =============================================================================== Message 4134 DATE/TIME: 01/08/94 14:01 From : DENNIS BARFOOT To : ALL Subject: efficient batteries Folder : A, "Public Mail" A while back I read an article about Hal Puthoff anhis group doing research with spark gap generators and their claim that when electrons are forced together tightly enough they bond to each other instead of repelling and form something like a fluid plasma which has different characteristics than ordinary electricity. Anyway it occurred to me that this might be the answer to storing large amounts of energy in batteries for electric cars and what have you. Perhaps electricity in this form could be stored in some form of insulated tank and tapped off as needed. Just a thought to throw out there and see if anyone else has some input on this. =============================================================================== Message 4135 DATE/TIME: 01/08/94 17:06 From : JOEL MCCLAIN -- RECEIVED -- To : DENNIS BARFOOT Subject: (R) efficient batteries Folder : A, "Public Mail" What Hal says is, "By using the attractive Casimir force between layers to overcome a repulsive electrostatic force, the foliated conductor can be greatly compressed, thereby storing charge at high electrostatic potential". CUL Joel =============================================================================== Message 4136 DATE/TIME: 01/08/94 18:05 From : BILL BEATY To : ALL Subject: Black Hole ANtenna Folder : A, "Public Mail" The Tesla Book Company advertises a videotape by J.F. Sutton and G.C. Spaniol, THE BLACK HOLE ANTENNA, 1992, VHS for $29.95. If you need the address, it is: TESLA BOOK CO., PO Box 121873, Chula Vista, CA 91912, 1-800-398-2056. . Is anyone familiar with this circuit? I want to find out if it is similar to the artificial superconductor device I built based on a magnetic detector driving an electromagnet in a negative feedback loop. This device repels all surrounding magnets, regardless of polarity, and can levitate bar magnets just like superconductors do. I see that if a large pair of coils were used in the feedback circuit, the result would be a large-area magnetic field sensor with a frequency response going down to DC. Is this how the "Black Hole Antenna" works? If so, it's another one of those cases of simultaneous invention! And yet a third similar device is patented: 4,910,633. cc: Norman Wootan =============================================================================== Message 4137 DATE/TIME: 01/08/94 18:05 From : BILL BEATY -- PRIVATE -- -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN (CARBON COPY) Subject: Black Hole ANtenna Folder : A, "Public Mail" NOTE: The following message was originally addressed to ALL and a CARBON COPY was sent to you. -------------------- The Tesla Book Company advertises a videotape by J.F. Sutton and G.C. Spaniol, THE BLACK HOLE ANTENNA, 1992, VHS for $29.95. If you need the address, it is: TESLA BOOK CO., PO Box 121873, Chula Vista, CA 91912, 1-800-398-2056. . Is anyone familiar with this circuit? I want to find out if it is similar to the artificial superconductor device I built based on a magnetic detector driving an electromagnet in a negative feedback loop. This device repels all surrounding magnets, regardless of polarity, and can levitate bar magnets just like superconductors do. I see that if a large pair of coils were used in the feedback circuit, the result would be a large-area magnetic field sensor with a frequency response going down to DC. Is this how the "Black Hole Antenna" works? If so, it's another one of those cases of simultaneous invention! And yet a third similar device is patented: 4,910,633. cc: Norman Wootan =============================================================================== Message 4138 DATE/TIME: 01/08/94 18:12 From : BILL BEATY -- RECEIVED -- To : BERT POOL Subject: Time Dialation Experiments Folder : A, "Public Mail" I wonder if modern "Accutron" watches are the same as the ones used to detect the time effects. I seem to recall that the old "Accutron" watches did not use a quartz crystal, but that instead they used a tiny tuning fork with tiny weights on the ends of its "tines". Am I wrong? If not, it's possible that this type of watch would loose seconds while a crystal-oscillator based watch would not. Most crystal oscillators dont run in a flapping/bending mode, but vibrate as a skewing across the thickness of a thin plate. A real tuning fork would exhibit gyroscope-like effects, while a standard quartz oscillator would not. =============================================================================== Message 4141 DATE/TIME: 01/08/94 19:53 From : BERT POOL -- RECEIVED -- To : BILL BEATY Subject: (R) Time Dialation Experiments Folder : A, "Public Mail" Bill, your suggestion for using two heterodyning oscillators is a good one. I may work on just such a device soon. Right now, I am preparing to prove to myself that electric current actually flows from negative to positive in an electric circuit, and also to measure the actual speed of propagation of this current through a copper conductor. I will use a conductor 10,000 feet long to perform this measurement. Question: If you take a 10,000 ft. long conductor and place an LED at a position 3,000 ft down the negative lead, one at 5,000 ft. and a third at 7,500 ft., and connect a battery will: (a) the LEDS will light sequentially, negative to positive (b) the LEDS will light simultaneously (c) the LEDS will light sequentially, positive to negative? The LED's, by the way, are in SERIES so that current has to flow through all three to return to the battery. The real interesting part of the experiment will follow this measurement. I calculate that a pulse cannot take less than 10.17 microseconds to travel the 10,000 ft. path, negative to positive on the battery. If I connect the battery to the wire for 1 microsecond then disconnect it (i.e., a very short pulse), will the LED light up for 1 microsecond? Think carefully! Because by the time the pulse gets to the LED, the battery is NO LONGER CONNECTED to the battery. If the battery is not connected to the wire, how can current flow through the LED? I'm interested in what your guess is on all this, and anyone else's ideas are welcome as well. =============================================================================== Message 4142 DATE/TIME: 01/08/94 20:11 From : BERT POOL -- RECEIVED -- To : JOEL MCCLAIN Subject: (R) Tesla fed to bucking coils Folder : A, "Public Mail" Joel, this Tesla coil driving bucking coils is interesting. How about bringing this setup and the field strength meter & compass to the next round table and demo? It is a bit hard for me to visualize it, and I'm sure all present would love to see this! >> Bert =============================================================================== Message 4143 DATE/TIME: 01/08/94 20:14 From : BERT POOL -- RECEIVED -- To : DENNIS BARFOOT Subject: (R) efficient batteries Folder : A, "Public Mail" I love the idea of a fluid electron storage medium! Good note! >> Bert =============================================================================== Message 4145 DATE/TIME: 01/08/94 21:13 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : DENNIS BARFOOT Subject: (R) efficient batteries Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Dennis! Yes, that is primarily the work of Ken Shoulders, he has a patent that spans 85 pages describing this technology and its applications. An interesting side note that correlates strongly with this reversal of roles on a macro level... When macro size magnets are placed together with like poles, they REPEL...however, on very tiny magnets on the order of grains, the property does exactly the opposite and like poles ATTRACT! I thought this was quite bizarre behavior and perfectly fits Ed Leedskalnins papers on the Magnetic Current....Leedskalnin is the fellow who built the Coral Castle down in Homestead Florida. It is claimed he levitated the stones by using song or some other force which he never revealed. There is much here despite the guffaws of the less credulous <g>...would be nice to get some of Ken Shoulders work here on the board should anyone wish to type it in. Ken and his wife visited with me and Dan Davidson a few years back after Church pulled out of the partnership, and Ken and his son were at the IANS conference in Denver. He really has something with this EV technology and it will lead to many commercial and consumer applications if he can ever get a trustworthy group of investors and/or companies to prototype, manufacture and sell machines based on it. >>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4146 DATE/TIME: 01/08/94 22:17 From : JOEL MCCLAIN -- RECEIVED -- To : BERT POOL Subject: (R) Tesla fed to bucking coils Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bert, I can bring it, but Jerry has a lot of other material, videos, etc., so if you want, I'll bring it to your place and set it up, and measure it, etc. Moew time for questions, that way. Joel =============================================================================== Message 4147 DATE/TIME: 01/08/94 22:20 From : JOEL MCCLAIN -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN Subject: Ground Spikes Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Norm, I used to live in Spain, and there, they ground the NEUTRAL side of the line, becuz spikes which originate there can blow both wiring and xfmrs. I think that you are asking the same questions which Ed Gray asked, before he used the inductive spikes from low DC to charge to high DC in capacitors, and discharge to drive his patented over-unity motor. It was how the coilbak was designed to work, based on Ed Gray's work. Tesla first had to convert his output to sine wave, no easy task, and then use a mechanical pendulum to modulate it at 8Hz, becuz elec. timers run fast in the tachyon field. I've seen that, even with my little coil. Having done that, however, he could resonate earth and boost his output, as well as transmit power without wires. We "little Teslas" would have to do the same thing, on a smaller scale, to get earth resonance. CUL Joel =============================================================================== Message 4149 DATE/TIME: 01/09/94 01:28 From : JOHN SKAGGS -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: (R) Comment Folder : A, "Public Mail" Thanks Jerry, and I have one quick Q. Do you or Vanggard have a copy of "Reality Revealed", by Vogt and Sultan? back soon! =============================================================================== Message 4150 DATE/TIME: 01/09/94 10:54 From : NORMAN WOOTAN To : ALL Subject: Neutral Spike Folder : A, "Public Mail" Joel: read your reply and wish to clarify a few points such as I probably have in my library the largest collection of Tesla related documentation for I have been studying him for the last 10 years. Yes I am fully aware of how Tesla modulated his coil to get the 8 HZ power wave. Kovack in the ESJ article back in Sept. brought up some very interesting ideas about high voltage and high freq rectification so as to provide a ultra high voltage DC electrostatic charge in the elevated terminal capacitance that could easily be converted into a beautiful 8HZ sine wave by the use of a large period pendelum such as Tesla employed at Colorado Springs. Besides the mercury tube rectifier that Kovack outlined in ESJ there is another method of high voltage/ high freq rectification that Tesla patented which is easier to achieve and could be applied to your small coil for research purposes. Look at Tesla's Patents on AC/DC rectification in the volume on TESLA PATENTS. A totally magmetic method of AC rectification which is simple and can be applied to any voltage or freq. I did not ask a question but instead tried to lay out some evidence as to the correct approach to a vexing problem of solving the over-unity puzzle. Your friend Norm =============================================================================== Message 4151 DATE/TIME: 01/09/94 11:20 From : JIM SHAFFER -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: (R) OK, who blabbed? Folder : A, "Public Mail" Something must be going on... this is the same publication in whose 1993 edition there was a report on the first balloon ascent in America in which it was discovered that a magnet got weaker as it got farther from the earth... Also, their weather forecast has been exactly right for my area so far (but we're only 9 days into the year.) =============================================================================== Message 4152 DATE/TIME: 01/09/94 11:36 From : JOEL MCCLAIN -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: Re: Upload of LEVITAT1.ASC Folder : A, "Public Mail" LEVITAT1.ASC is a description and "home demonstration" of anti-gravity using Keely's neutral centers, based upon earth's magnetic grid lines, and also discusses how this form of levitation was used to build pyramids, the Coral Castle, etc. Also, implications are given with reference to the gravitational anomalies caused by free energy machines, when the neutral center of a mass is resonated. Oh yeah, the Bermuda Triangle is explained, too. You'll have to try it to believe it, but it works. =============================================================================== Message 4153 DATE/TIME: 01/09/94 11:49 From : NORMAN WOOTAN To : ALL Subject: Neutral Spike Folder : A, "Public Mail" Joel: some additional food for thought, study the Wardencliff Tower that was almost complete when the financial plug was pulled and you will see no pendelum tower or any evidence of the use of a pendelum for the purpose of modulation. I believe that Tesla had devised a method of modulation or forming 8HZ sine waves through the magmetic pinching of a plasma in the connection between the elevated capacitance and the deep earth ground system that was so elaborately constructed at Wardencliff. Kovack Corum and others are under the same thought about the use of forming a slow low freq sine wave directly through the use of plasma modulation of a ultra high voltage electrostatic charge. Remember that Tesla was famous for his little mechanical or hydraulic analogs to electrical problems that he was trying to explain. Just remember the little girl on the swing, If you fire the positive half of a 8HZ or earth resonant wave into the ground the earth will respond with the negative half of the same wave if your input is exactly in phase and sinchronized. You only have to put in a small input to bring forth a magnification or reinforcing effect. =============================================================================== Message 4154 DATE/TIME: 01/09/94 12:05 From : NORMAN WOOTAN To : ALL Subject: Joint Effort on Research Folder : A, "Public Mail" Jerry and all: Why can't we in the Dallas Area form a Research Group and pool our resources so we can have a large shop to work in,jointly?? I personnaly spend $250.00 a month for a hole in the wall shop that is so full of good test equipment and other goodies that I can not even walk around in it. Other areas such as the Richmond Tesla Group headed by Richard Hull has a large building and has plenty of room to work. I believe that it is possible for us to form a close knit group here in Dallas at a central location convenient to all concerned to jointly work. I will certainly contribute my $250.00/Mo. and all my equipment and goodies if it were possible to set this up. OK juys and girls out there give me some feed back as to thoughts and ideas. Norm =============================================================================== Message 4155 DATE/TIME: 01/09/94 13:29 From : DENNIS BARFOOT -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: lottery Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hey Jerry unless you just want to type in the winning lottery numbers to whittle away at your idle time(whats that?) there is an easier way. Our tax dollars are hard at work in Austin on the Comptrollors BBS 1-800-227-8392 which happens to keep a updated list of the numbers, size of the pot and whether or not there was a winner that date. Ah the wonders of modern technology. I've uploaded an older version of this from may as Winnbs.asc so you can look at it also I've got a shareware lotto picker program that includes a database to keep track of the numbers and does random picks for you. If you want acopy just leave me a note and I'll ul it to you. =============================================================================== Message 4156 DATE/TIME: 01/09/94 13:58 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : JOEL MCCLAIN Subject: (R) Tesla fed to bucking coils Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Joel! The video is only 1 hour and we can stay there as long as we want....so if we show the video from 7:30 to 8:30, then talk a bit, then you can do the demo, would that work??...I can insert it in the mailer....>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4159 DATE/TIME: 01/09/94 14:10 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : JOHN SKAGGS Subject: (R) Comment Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi John! No, I don't have a copy of that book, but it has an intriguing title..>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4160 DATE/TIME: 01/09/94 14:11 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : JIM SHAFFER Subject: (R) OK, who blabbed? Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Jim! Maybe they have a deal with the Psychic Network or taps on some good phone lines!...the magnetic field strength getting weaker with balloons follows as to logical progression, because of the inverse square law, but it is good that is was proven with the balloon test. >>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4161 DATE/TIME: 01/09/94 14:15 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN Subject: (R) Joint Effort on Research Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Norm! We (Chuck, Ron, myself and several others over the past years) have discussed this many times before....no one seems to want to commit to such a scheme at that time, beyond a very few and the money that was to come from such a pool was insufficient to even pay the electric bill, let alone a building. I love the idea of having a central facility where people could meet and work on projects....note, RESPONSIBLE PEOPLE....who volunteer tools, devices, books, etc....would take EXTREME care of other peoples property, etc. I work with 12 other technicians and most of them are very good about keeping things in order and good shape but we have a couple of "ringers" who just trash much of what they touch. It would have to be governed by a group consensus, i.e. kick out those who don't play as a team, pulling their own weight and taking FULL responsibility for their actions....I don't consider myself a perfectionist, (though some say I am)....but I just can't abide CONTINUAL mistakes, especially when it damages other folks property. As to funding, we had discussed 10 people at $50 = $500 per month. With electric, phone, water, etc. in addition to the rent, it just would not work...the Dallas area properties are ridiculous as to space... It is possible we could work some kind of deal with a property owner who would cut us a break on the rental fee.... Tell you what, how about if an extra page is included in the mailer for this money with just such a proposition, running something like this: Wanted - building owner willing to assist in an experimental/research type facility for the Vangard Research Group. If you have a building somewhere in the Dallas area that is currently vacant, we could surely make good use of it and at least pay your property taxes with some additional. Purpose - to populate it with equipment, books, tools and materials in a combined effort by those who wish to participate for the express purpose of carrying out experiments with mechanical, electric, electronic, optical, fluidic and other projects. This is NOT intended as a money making venture, it is simply an experimenters haven.....where like minded serious experimenters can gather and work on their own or GROUP projects. The idea is for everyone to provide whatever they can make available for the VR Group, they still OWN the property, just that others are allowed to use it in a communal enterprise. We will share what we find at our meetings or with demonstrations at the facility, through articles, newsletters, computer networks or other means of communicating with the interested public. Of course, the building owner deal would have to be worked out, and we would have to provide insurance, deposits, etc....but such a project is L-O-N-G overdue....I can see it now, all these haggard fellows staying at the building for 12 hours at a time, married and social life going to hell, ADDICTS to the cause....hehehehe....but I don't think it will get that bad.... We could install our own security system and a way to determine who comes in and when they leave. That is unless Norman wants to live on site...hehehehe...lots of potential in this and you never know, one person or group might make a machine that could be manufactured and sold...you never know....what do you think about a mailer soliciting a building? From there we could get an idea of what it would cost to setup and maintain utilities, lock the lease in for a few years (about 3), 1 would not be sufficient, but we should have an out should problems arise, for the building owners protection. If we get 10 people who can without fail provide $50 per month, that would be an excellent start.....and for overrruns, that could be distributed among the group (within reason) of course....$500 per month might be enough even to provide some additional group equipment....>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4162 DATE/TIME: 01/09/94 14:36 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : DENNIS BARFOOT Subject: (R) lottery Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Dennis! Great! I bought that form from 7/11 and typed in most of it already for the purpose of putting it online for others to experiment with. Never heard of that number before but might be useful. I figure the file can be updated weekly and then folks can do their own version of magic....either spreadsheets, wheelers or whatever method they choose to try based on cycles or whatever...thanks Dennis!...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4163 DATE/TIME: 01/09/94 15:00 From : BILL BEATY To : ALL Subject: Hubbard coil Folder : A, "Public Mail" I just read STORMING HEAVEN- LSD AND THE AMERICAN DREAM by Jay Stevens. I highly recommend it as a dense history of the 60's drugs, with plenty of interview matieral. . The book has a page and a half on Capitan "Cappy" Al Hubbard, who invented a free energy device in Seattle in 1919 and used it to power a rowboat around lake washington. I always wondered what became of him and his device. THe book has a colorful description of the man and his history. =============================================================================== Message 4164 DATE/TIME: 01/09/94 16:30 From : BILL BEATY -- RECEIVED -- To : BERT POOL Subject: (R) Time Dialation Experiments Folder : A, "Public Mail" Re: Speed of electricity. I must apologize for being longwinded in the following, but you've got me started! . When I had to design a museum exhibit on electricitiy physics, I had to re-teach myself how electricity really works, having been mis- educated by misconception-ridden american textbooks. It turns out batteries and generators do not supply electricity, they merely pump it. All wires, in fact all metals, are already full of electricity. You may recall from some science class that metals contain a "sea of electrons." This "sea" is what moves when electric current exists in a wire. This fact is of prime importance when one is thinking about what goes on in circuits. Also, electron flows happen very very slowly, on the order of inches per hour depending on the current. In an AC system, the electrons sit in place and wiggle, and do not flow forward at all. So, it's not the ELECTRICITY which travels fast within wires, it's the WAVES of starting and stopping that move fast, it's the energy which moves fast. Electrical energy flows and electrical signals are longitudinal waves of electron compression and rarefaction supported by electrostatic repulsion between masses of electrons confined within a wire. . Now on to your experiment: If you suddenly connect BOTH leads of a battery to a very long circle of wire hanging in air, the battery will pull electrons into its positive terminal while it also pushes electrons out its negative one. This sends a speed-of-light wave out both terminals of the battery. The wave is a compression wave on the negative terminal, and a rarefaction wave on the positive. As these waves get to successive LEDs in the circuit, they will be lit sequentially. I predict that the 7500-ft LED will light first (it's only 2500ft. from the end), followed by the 3000-ft LED, followed by the 5000ft one. . What happens if you remove the battery before the wave gets to the LEDs? I predict that removing the battery will send a second wave of ceasing- of-motion out thru the wire, and the LEDs will darken in the same sequence in which they were lit. Connecting the battery for 1.0 uSec will send a 1.0 uSec pulse to the LEDs. I'm envisioning an acoustic analogy here. If you shout down a very long hose, then suddenly remove your mouth, the sound that's already in the hose will keep going to the end whether your mouth is there or not. . One thing to think about: if you do the experiment on a wire spool rather than on an immense circle of wire, I don't think the waves of compression\ rarefaction will stay on one wire and spiral their way through the entire length of the coil. Instead, voltage and current in one wire will inductively and capacatively couple to adjacent wires, and so your signal wavefronts will skip across the coil and act as if they are moving much faster than the speed of light. Each turn of the coil acts like a trans- former winding for all the other turns. You either have to spread your wire out in a big field, or use coax cable so adjacent turns are shielded. Also, are you going to switch BOTH battery connections on and off? If you connect the two terminals to the wire at two different times, your results would be different. . Have you heard about the experiments done in 1902 or so which showed that the mobile electricity within copper is electrons. Researchers wound a big spool of wire on a wheel, connected the ends to a meter through sliprings, spun the wheel a high speeds, then stopped it suddenly. The sudden halt in the wire's motion did not jerk the electricity to as sudden a stop, and a pulse of current was measured in the meter. It was a negative current in the direction of the wire's motion. I don't know if they tried this on many different metals. It is vaguely remenicent of Searle's original attempt to make a generator by throwing electrons off the edge of a spinning disk. . I must point out that all of the above is based upon my knowledge of conventional circuit physics. It's never occurred to me to try doing experiments like these. I'd love to hear what happens. You're aware that Joe Neuman's motor designs are based upon pulses racing around in coils? It's work like yours which has a chance of showing up anomolies and opening the door to really interesting lines of research. =============================================================================== Message 4166 DATE/TIME: 01/09/94 18:50 From : NORMAN WOOTAN To : ALL Subject: Group R&D Facility Folder : A, "Public Mail" Jerry: Yes by all means send up the trial balloon and let's separate the players from the strap hangers. We definitely need to get something off the ground soon for we have too many good ideas gathering dust and other groups around the country are working together while we just talk. Count me in BIG TIME. Norm =============================================================================== Message 4168 DATE/TIME: 01/09/94 20:29 From : JOEL MCCLAIN -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: (R) Tesla fed to bucking coils Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Jerry, Fine by me, just need to set up the Tesla and the bucking coils, but maybe a neutral center demonstration would be more enjoyable. Or both, what the heck! CUL Joel =============================================================================== Message 4172 DATE/TIME: 01/10/94 10:06 From : JOEL MCCLAIN -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN Subject: Peregrinus Motor Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Norm, Just ran across something that I would REALLY like you to see. It's a description and drawings of the Peregrinus permanent magnet motor, which was invented in 1269A.D. !! It was translated from Latin in 1954, rebuilt, tested and proven, then dismantled and destroyed. To build it, we need three wheels, three gears, three shafts, and 25 alnico bar magnets. Mostly "off-the-shelf" parts, far easier to build than the MAGALT, which requires custom oval magnet flywheels. Kind of proves your point about a KeelyNet workshop, doesn't it? Thanks for the additional Tesla info, and if you could help me with a copy of the patent which you mentioned, it would be greatly appreciated! CUL Joel =============================================================================== Message 4174 DATE/TIME: 01/10/94 11:14 From : BERT POOL -- RECEIVED -- To : BILL BEATY Subject: Direction and speed of electrical curren Folder : A, "Public Mail" Bill, I really appreciate your feedback on the experiment on transmitting pulses through wire. Discussion like this helps generate new ideas and experiments. Your discussion definitely adds new questions. . On your comment that a battery sends a compression wave OUT the negative terminal and a rarefacation wave OUT the positive, at the speed of light: If we place an LED twice as close to the positive terminal as the negative; lets say this is 6000 ft from negative, 3000 ft from positive, and connect both terminals of the battery to the wire, which wave will reach the LED first, the compression or the rarefaction? Since BOTH waves are traveling at 'c', it is obvious that the rarefaction wave from the positive pole will "pull" electrons through the LED long before the compression wave can "push" them through. . The LED should be lit by the rarefaction wave several microseconds before the compression wave gets there. In fact, using this analogy, the LED should light up TWICE - once when the rarefaction wave "pulls" electrons through the LED and a second time when the compression wave "pushes" more electrons through the LED. Normally these two events would be so close together that the phenomenon would never be seen - unless you were looking for it! (and believe me, I intend to look!). . Using your water hose analogy, if we take a long garden hose and at the 2/3 length position place a "paddle" wheel to indicate air movement and have one person blow on the long end (compression) and another suck on the short end of the hose (rarefaction), the paddle wheel should move twice. The rarefaction wave will reach the paddle wheel first, moving it, and logically, a short time later the compression wave will move the wheel again. . That is, of course, unless the rarefaction wave, upon passing the paddle wheel, reaches the compression wave at the MIDDLE of the hose, and cancels it. (Both waves are traveling at the same speed and so should meet at the middle point of the hose. Compression and rarefaction waves DO cancel, yes?). Since the paddle wheel was moved by the rarefaction wave long before the compression wave could ever have arrived, the short length of time measured for the wheel to move could be wrongly (?) interpreted as showing that electric current travels from positive to negative. . This scenario suggests that if we take two 5000 ft conductors and place an LED at the far end (middle), and place another two LEDs, one at each of the 2500 ft marks and connect a battery, a compression wave will travel from the negative pole of the battery toward the LED on the negative wire while a rarefaction wave travels from the positive pole of the battery toward the LED on the positive wire. Since both waves are traveling at the same speed, both of these LEDs should light up AT THE SAME TIME, the negative LED when the compression wave pushes electrons through it, and the positive LED when the rarefaction wave pulls electrons through it! And a short time later BOTH waves will reach the middle LED and light it up last. . So, looking at the gargen hose and wire and using your classical theory, I'm still not sure what will REALLY happen. We can put forth at least two or three conflicting lighting hypothesis based on the same theory. . Will the LED's pulse only once or will they pulse twice? Will there be a sequential lighting, and if so, in what order? Or might some of the LEDs light simultaneously? I had no idea at the outset that such a simple experiment could be SO MUCH FUN! I am prepared to do this experiment tomorrow, but I'm not about to actually do it until I get more pre-experiment guesses from you and the other Keely Netters. I'd have never thought about a rarefaction wave lighting up an LED before a compression wave getting there - thanks. . By the way Bill, you are certainly invited to participate in performing this experiment (hope you are local!). . The wire will not be on a spool when the experiment is conducted - self inductance and capacitance would skew the measurements. I plan on doing this out in the country in some deserted field where I can unreel 10,000 feet of wire into large loops with as little self capacitance and inductance as possible. . Anyone got a farm field with nearby power that we can use? (no Norm, we don't want to do this experiment in the Arkansas outback!) . Please re-read all our messages on this, ruminate a while, and get back with me later. >> Bert . p.s. - anyone else out there got any feedback on this simple experiment? It may be simple, but there are some very important electric foundation pillars being pushed and pulled around here! . p.p.s. Jerry, this discussion is starting to look like "file" material, yes? cc: Norman Wootan =============================================================================== Message 4175 DATE/TIME: 01/10/94 11:14 From : BERT POOL -- PRIVATE -- -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN (CARBON COPY) Subject: Direction and speed of electrical curren Folder : A, "Public Mail" NOTE: The following message was originally addressed to BILL BEATY and a CARBON COPY was sent to you. -------------------- Bill, I really appreciate your feedback on the experiment on transmitting pulses through wire. Discussion like this helps generate new ideas and experiments. Your discussion definitely adds new questions. . On your comment that a battery sends a compression wave OUT the negative terminal and a rarefacation wave OUT the positive, at the speed of light: If we place an LED twice as close to the positive terminal as the negative; lets say this is 6000 ft from negative, 3000 ft from positive, and connect both terminals of the battery to the wire, which wave will reach the LED first, the compression or the rarefaction? Since BOTH waves are traveling at 'c', it is obvious that the rarefaction wave from the positive pole will "pull" electrons through the LED long before the compression wave can "push" them through. . The LED should be lit by the rarefaction wave several microseconds before the compression wave gets there. In fact, using this analogy, the LED should light up TWICE - once when the rarefaction wave "pulls" electrons through the LED and a second time when the compression wave "pushes" more electrons through the LED. Normally these two events would be so close together that the phenomenon would never be seen - unless you were looking for it! (and believe me, I intend to look!). . Using your water hose analogy, if we take a long garden hose and at the 2/3 length position place a "paddle" wheel to indicate air movement and have one person blow on the long end (compression) and another suck on the short end of the hose (rarefaction), the paddle wheel should move twice. The rarefaction wave will reach the paddle wheel first, moving it, and logically, a short time later the compression wave will move the wheel again. . That is, of course, unless the rarefaction wave, upon passing the paddle wheel, reaches the compression wave at the MIDDLE of the hose, and cancels it. (Both waves are traveling at the same speed and so should meet at the middle point of the hose. Compression and rarefaction waves DO cancel, yes?). Since the paddle wheel was moved by the rarefaction wave long before the compression wave could ever have arrived, the short length of time measured for the wheel to move could be wrongly (?) interpreted as showing that electric current travels from positive to negative. . This scenario suggests that if we take two 5000 ft conductors and place an LED at the far end (middle), and place another two LEDs, one at each of the 2500 ft marks and connect a battery, a compression wave will travel from the negative pole of the battery toward toward the LED on the negative wire while a rarefaction wave travels from the positive pole of the battery toward the LED on the positive wire. Since both waves are traveling at the same speed, both of these LEDs should light up AT THE SAME TIME, the negative LED when the compression wave pushes electrons through it, and the positive LED when the rarefaction wave pulls electrons through it! And a short time later BOTH waves will reach the middle LED and light it up last. . So, looking at the gargen hose and wire and using your classical theory, I'm still not sure what will REALLY happen. We can put forth at least two or three conflicting lighting hypothesis based on the same theory. . Will the LED's pulse only once or will they pulse twice? Will there be a sequential lighting, and if so, in what order? Or might some of the LEDs light simultaneously? I had no idea at the outset that such a simple experiment could be SO MUCH FUN! I am prepared to do this experiment tomorrow, but I'm not about to actually do it until I get more pre-experiment guesses from you and the other Keely Netters. I'd have never thought about a rarefaction wave lighting up an LED before a compression wave getting there - thanks. . By the way Bill, you are certainly invited to participate in performing this experiment (hope you are local!). . The wire will not be on a spool when the experiment is conducted - self inductance and capacitance would skew the measurements. I plan on doing this out in the country in some deserted field where I can unreel 10,000 feet of wire into large loops with as little self capacitance and inductance as possible. . Anyone got a farm field with nearby power that we can use? (no Norm, we don't want to do this experiment in the Arkansas outback!) . Please re-read all our messages on this, ruminate a while, and get back with me later. >> Bert . p.s. - anyone else out there got any feedback on this simple experiment? It may be simple, but there are some very important electric foundation pillars being pushed and pulled around here! . p.p.s. Jerry, this discussion is starting to look like "file" material, yes? cc: Norman Wootan =============================================================================== Message 4176 DATE/TIME: 01/10/94 11:17 From : BERT POOL -- PRIVATE -- -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN Subject: Stir 'em up! Folder : A, "Public Mail" Norm, I hope your discussion stirs up some apathetic Netters! I've gotten one nibble on the long wire experiment - sent you a copy of my reply. Later >> bert =============================================================================== Message 4178 DATE/TIME: 01/10/94 12:44 From : JOHN DRAPER -- PRIVATE -- -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN (CARBON COPY) Subject: MAGALT Folder : A, "Public Mail" NOTE: The following message was originally addressed to JOEL MCCLAIN and a CARBON COPY was sent to you. -------------------- Gentlemen: I have a friend, a mechanical engineer, who is quite interested in pursuing the Malgalt Principles, and would like to know if you guys would be interested in working together to develop a working device. His brother owns and runs a large machine shop operation in New York. Also, do either of you have access to Internet? If you do, my friends name is Jack VanGelden, and his Internet address is [email protected] I suggested to Jack, that he get on KeelyNet. John Draper cc: Norman Wootan =============================================================================== Message 4179 DATE/TIME: 01/10/94 13:01 From : WILLIAM ALLEN -- RECEIVED -- To : BERT POOL Subject: (R) Direction and speed of electrical cu Folder : A, "Public Mail" Sounds like an interesting proposal... I have wondered about some of these questions before. I think that you DO NOT want to coil the wire as the inductance and coupling would mess up the results. Of course. the next problem might be how to 'see' a 1 microsecond flash from the LED. Possibly very fast optoisolators can be used and the results logged electronically, at each point of interest. Loging could be at a central point, but the connection to the data recorder from the 'sensors' would need to be the same length in order to determing the time dialation effect... The proposal sounds ultimately dooable, so lets keep at it! cc: Norman Wootan =============================================================================== Message 4180 DATE/TIME: 01/10/94 13:01 From : WILLIAM ALLEN -- PRIVATE -- -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN (CARBON COPY) Subject: (R) Direction and speed of electrical cu Folder : A, "Public Mail" NOTE: The following message was originally addressed to BERT POOL and a CARBON COPY was sent to you. -------------------- Sounds like an interesting proposal... I have wondered about some of these questions before. I think that you DO NOT want to coil the wire as the inductance and coupling would mess up the results. Of course. the next problem might be how to 'see' a 1 microsecond flash from the LED. Possibly very fast optoisolators can be used and the results logged electronically, at each point of interest. Loging could be at a central point, but the connection to the data recorder from the 'sensors' would need to be the same length in order to determing the time dialation effect... The proposal sounds ultimately dooable, so lets keep at it! cc: Norman Wootan =============================================================================== Message 4181 DATE/TIME: 01/10/94 13:09 From : WILLIAM ALLEN -- RECEIVED -- To : BILL BEATY Subject: artificial scm Folder : A, "Public Mail" I would like the information about the 'magnet' which you built! Sounds like a strange thing worthy of investigation. I haven't heard of the reference you asked about... I would also like to get involved with large capacitor dischsarges as I recently became owner of a large electrolytic vcapacitorapacitor (oops) and have just been heard to say 'I would like to experiment with capacitor discharges'. Please let me know about the experiments. More later thanks. =============================================================================== Message 4182 DATE/TIME: 01/10/94 13:14 From : WILLIAM ALLEN -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN Subject: Magnetic Rectifier Folder : A, "Public Mail" For about 5 years I have thought it would be possible to use magnetic fields within a coil to selectively route (rectify) very high frequencies, as high as could be put through the coils! The thought came up with the discussion of 'rectennas' to rectify sunlight directly, and the question of frequency responce (switching time) came up, and I imagined using magnetics to do this. I tried it with a weak ALNICO rod magnet, but probably overdrove the circuit. . Along another note, I saw several years ago a brochure for the superconducting conference, and among the items discussed were antennas made from S.C. material, said to be 'up to 20 times more efficient' at receiving signals than a dipole. Sounds like a warp in the fabric... or maybe a "net" to grab the signals! =============================================================================== Message 4183 DATE/TIME: 01/10/94 14:07 From : JOEL MCCLAIN -- RECEIVED -- To : JOHN DRAPER Subject: (R) MAGALT Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi John, If you download the MAGALT files, including the .GIF file, the information is all there. Just change the notation on the magnetic flywheels so that they are attracting, not opposing. For a real eye-opener, construct a paper model, and see how the forces increase at an increasing rate during the pull, then decrease at an increasing rate just past the sync. point. There are two additional points at which the attractive forces aid in the rotation, on the back "lobes" of each flywheel. It should be "do-able" with machine tools and a magnetizer. CUL Joel =============================================================================== Message 4184 DATE/TIME: 01/10/94 14:12 From : JOEL MCCLAIN To : ALL Subject: Recent Upload Folder : A, "Public Mail" I recently uploaded LEVITAT1.ASC, and described it in a somewhat whimsical way, which undoubtedly left some wrong impressions. Those of you who know me, know that I am very serious about free energy research, and I devote much in time and energy to experimentation, as do many others. However, an explanation is in order, so here goes: I believe that the PUSH model is of gravity is correct. This is important to my understanding of ZPE. I believe that the effect known as the BLOCH WALL is correct, and that the center of a magnet exhibits a push. The earth is a large ,agnet, and has 20 Bloch Walls at various points around the globe. When the magnetic forces are at their peak, gravitic inversions will occur, and this is the explanation of the Bermuda (and other) Triangle. How does this relate to ZPE? Well, many of the ZPE devices built so far have reported gravitic anomalies, floating, etc. Because gravity is a push, when the ZPE devices resonate at their center aggregate mass, the particle spin energy is reduced, and the push of earth's gravity lifts them. In other words, a properly functioning resoonant ZPE device will weigh less. Now, in the file which I uploaded, you can perform a levitation which is based upon the principles of the Bloch Wall, by allowing four people to station themselves as lobes of the earth's power grid, reducing the spin energy in the resulting vortex between them. I know that this has been demonstrated in a variety of manners before, but I BELIEVE that we can now explain it, it terms of push gravity, the Bloch Wall, ansd the earth's power grid lines. So, please don't think that the whimsical note was in any way a reflection of the material, or of my attitude toward our common quest and goals, which I believe we will accomplish in 1994. Thank you, Joel McClain cc: Jerry Decker =============================================================================== Message 4186 DATE/TIME: 01/10/94 16:18 From : BERT POOL -- RECEIVED -- To : WILLIAM ALLEN Subject: (R) Direction and speed of electrical cu Folder : A, "Public Mail" Thanks for checking this experiment out. I have some high speed phototransistors which will be setup at each LED. The wires from all the phototransistors will be the same length. I will use a 35 mhz oscilloscope to compare transit times of the pulses. I can measure time differences at the 0.1 usec scale, so pulses of 1 usec and transit times of approximately 10 usec are a piece of cake to see! I agree this is doable, and will perform the actual experiment after I get some more suggestions from Keely Netters. >> bert =============================================================================== Message 4187 DATE/TIME: 01/10/94 16:52 From : BERT POOL -- RECEIVED -- To : BILL BEATY Subject: Cease-of-motion wave??? Folder : A, "Public Mail" Bill, I re-read your comments: . BB > What happens if you remove the battery before the BB > wave gets to the LEDs? BB > I predict that removing the battery will send a second BB > wave of ceasing-of-motion out thru the wire, and the LEDs BB > will darken in the same sequence in which they were lit. BB > Connecting the battery for 1.0 uSec will send a 1.0 uSec BB > pulse to the LEDs. I'm envisioning an acoustic analogy BB > here. If you shout down a very long hose, then suddenly BB > remove your mouth, the sound that's already in the hose BB > will keep going to the end whether your mouth is there or not. . Bill, what in the heck is a "ceasing-of-motion" wave? I know this is the "New Age", so maybe this is a Wave of the New Age? |:) . I was able to hang in there with you except for this. Maybe a clarification? >> Bert =============================================================================== Message 4188 DATE/TIME: 01/10/94 17:32 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : BERT POOL Subject: (R) Direction and speed of electrical cu Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bert! I've been watching and will rip it off to a file when it gets to some degree of resolution, so far speculations but quite interesting ones....>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4189 DATE/TIME: 01/10/94 20:16 From : NORMAN WOOTAN To : ALL Subject: Pereginus Motor Folder : A, "Public Mail" Joel: Sounds like another interesting project to me and guess who has all the parts on the shelf just waiting for the drawings or schematics?? Please bring to the next meeting for it would be interesting to see a magnetic motor design that old. Gees! was the wheel invented yet???? Ha! Ha! Can you imagine thos cat running around in carriages powered by permanent magnet motors. Norm =============================================================================== Message 4190 DATE/TIME: 01/10/94 20:21 From : NORMAN WOOTAN -- RECEIVED -- To : WILLIAM ALLEN Subject: Magnetic Rectification Folder : A, "Public Mail" Please go back and read all the correspondebce over the last several days for there is a wealth of info on rectification of high freq etc. I found the magnetic method in The Complete Book of Tesla Patents, in which he l;ays out several ways to rectify AC to DC which will work at any freq or voltage level. It is the perfect approach if plasma is employed in the device. We have had a lot od dialog on the Black Hole Antennea which is close to the SC material you brought up. The Black Hole Antennea has phenominal gain ratios because of the negative impedance technique employed in the design. Norm cc: Bill Beaty =============================================================================== Message 4191 DATE/TIME: 01/10/94 20:21 From : NORMAN WOOTAN -- PRIVATE -- -- RECEIVED -- To : BILL BEATY (CARBON COPY) Subject: Magnetic Rectification Folder : A, "Public Mail" NOTE: The following message was originally addressed to WILLIAM ALLEN and a CARBON COPY was sent to you. -------------------- Please go back and read all the correspondebce over the last several days for there is a wealth of info on rectification of high freq etc. I found the magnetic method in The Complete Book of Tesla Patents, in which he l;ays out several ways to rectify AC to DC which will work at any freq or voltage level. It is the perfect approach if plasma is employed in the device. We have had a lot od dialog on the Black Hole Antennea which is close to the SC material you brought up. The Black Hole Antennea has phenominal gain ratios because of the negative impedance technique employed in the design. Norm cc: Bill Beaty =============================================================================== Message 4192 DATE/TIME: 01/10/94 20:33 From : JOEL MCCLAIN -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN Subject: (R) Pereginus Motor Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Norm, I had a friend, who is a historian, check out old Peregrinus, and it turns out that he's the guy who first recognized magnetic "poles" as such, and labelled them. Later, he invented the graduated and calibrated compass! Wonder why history has all but forgotten him? I'll bring the info to the next meeting...btw, when is it? CUL Joel =============================================================================== Message 4193 DATE/TIME: 01/10/94 22:36 From : CARLOS TEIXEIRA To : ALL Subject: << Greetings from RIO! >> Folder : A, "Public Mail" Good evening, KeelyNet buds: I'm pleased to visit this famous system for the first time. Greeting for you all and do not hesitate to contact me if you ever need something from down here. All the best! - c.a.t. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- CARLOS ALBERTO TEIXEIRA - CADD/Graphics/Animation/Telecomputing/BBSing Pontificia Universidade Catolica do Rio de Janeiro -- ICAD / TECGRAF ------------------------------------+--------------------------------- E-mail: [email protected] | Mail: Caixa Postal 56059 Voice : +(55-21) 275-3029 | Rio de Janeiro, BRASIL PGP 2.3a key available upon request | 22292-970 ------------------------------------+--------------------------------- =============================================================================== Message 4197 DATE/TIME: 01/11/94 03:23 From : CLARENCE SATTERLEE -- RECEIVED -- To : BRYANT STAVELY Subject: (R) SUBLIMINAL PROGRAMMING Folder : A, "Public Mail" Bryant, your message was well received. I would like to speak with you when you and I have some time. I believe your input would be valuable to many of us. Forgive me for a dificit in communication skills that has taken me years to perfect. grin. I think much faster than my fingers are capable of typing. Because of your concern for our freedoms, allow me to throw a few things at you for input as to feasibility. Why a union ? Now after kicking some issues around with laywers and others with many different degrees, certain things came about because of it. . For me or anyone to protect and promote one single Christian group was legally, "out of the question". . For me and others to protect and promote new Testament [C [C . For me and others to protect and promote the Lord Jesus' New Testament standards and fundamental teachings were within a realistic legal reach. . To do this, and have the legal authority and power, N.T. believers would have to become a union. to keep things simple become a union. To keep things simple and not argue over doctrine and not favor any single Christian group, a lot of research came with the most neutral and proper name that had no legal controls over it. And that name being the N.T. name, "Lord Jesus". Now the suggested union name would be, "Lord Jesus's People Union". To qualify to be in the union you need only believe in the Lord Jesus and adhere to His New Testament standards and fundamental teachings regardless of non/or denomanational associations. . now once the union is established it has the legal right to establish what government agencies or any group or person can and cannot do to them. Example: (see Rev. 13:15to18) No person or group, no foreign, federal, state, or local government, or their agents, can enforce by law of regulation, to have any Lord Jesus's People Union member or their children for the purpose of buying or selling, to receive a mark or number on their person in any form to their hand, forehead, or any other part of their body. . Just part of whats going to happen. let you in on more later. must sleep. Linda and Clarence P PQqrpp =============================================================================== Message 4199 DATE/TIME: 01/11/94 09:37 From : NORMAN WOOTAN To : ALL Subject: Muller Motor Folder : A, "Public Mail" Does onyone out there on the net know what has happened to W.F.J. (Bill) Muller of Canada who built an over-unity PM motor that used Metglas in it's construction. Metglas was developed by Allied Signal Corp and is classed as an amorphous metal that has little or no hysteristes losses. All please refer to Extraordinary Science, Jan/Feb/ Mar 1990 for an excellent article on Muller's motor and also on a hydrogen generator on demand for auto applications. Some one out there should know something about Muller and his work since it is so recent. Also we need information on Metglas ( trade mark of Allied Signal Corp). This material is supposedly being used in modern high efficiency transformers. Let's dig out the info on this for it would solve many of our construction problems. Norm =============================================================================== Message 4200 DATE/TIME: 01/11/94 13:49 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : CARLOS TEIXEIRA Subject: (R) << Greetings from RIO! >> Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Carlos! And welcome to KeelyNet! Perhaps you know Jorges Resines in Brasil? I don't remember the city....>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4203 DATE/TIME: 01/11/94 13:51 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN Subject: (R) Muller Motor Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Norm and all! I remember reading several articles about MetGlas when it first came to public knowledge,....I think it was in PopSci but a library search would no doubt dig up multiple references, uses and sources....>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4204 DATE/TIME: 01/11/94 14:33 From : WOODY MOFFITT -- RECEIVED -- To : JOEL MCCLAIN Subject: neg plasma, Hal Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha" Hi, Joel (and Dennis...) I caught your note about Hal Puthoff's paper and thought I should remind you that his notion of using plasma to tap zpe is EXACTLY what I described to you concerning "e.v."s, the micron sized plasma balls of pure (to .00001 %) electrons which are bound (as best we can tell) by dielectric forces overcoming the natural repulsion between charges. The patent # is (if memory serves) 5,018,180, from 1991. I've spoken to Hal several times in Austin, but he and Ken Shoulders are somewhat on the outs in the working sense (Hal just isn't a great tech man). In any event, you might want to ask Steve Gantt about his work with the piezo clicker on ceramic bowls and the like. All you need is a high-V negative pulse (the shorter the better), a (+) ground plane insulated to prevent recombination, and an emitter which is sufficiently small and sharp to "ram" the pulse across a gap to the ground plane, where it will run around UNTIL it finds a place to recombine. You will note that while the "e.v." runs around, you may tap juice from it inductively (60V @ varying amperage). Our old measurements gave 1/40 watt PER COIL in a xenon tube, but that was a grossly inefficient experiment - just a number to go by. The "Blue Lightning" toy that Sharper Image carried used an electrodeless discharge (insulated cathode driven at r.f. Hz @ 2kV in a mm. width dielectric tube plus a virtual cathode ring of metal app. 1 mm. from the emitter cathode). The toy basically powers itself after startup - by dissipating the heat from the e.v.s over Kevlar and tapping the juice with a 1.5% efficient thermocouple! If inductors were wound around the glass enclosure, and the dissipated e.v.s were collected via a capacitor, etc., this "toy" could run your tabletop t.v.! That is to say, the toy runs at break even or higher by gating back perhaps only 1% of its output! The patent mentions that decreasing the duty cycle and pulse width could give 96:1 return per pulse for a 2 ns. ev. E.v.s ar so exquisitely sensitive to ANY e.m. disturbance that they act like "black holes" to e.m., including zpe. This is true even when they leave ionization streamers in xenon, which is the genuine beauty of "Blue Lightning". I've been unable to find them since they came out - aside from one that Ken has, the only others I've seen were at a store in Albequerque. You can make a lesser version (with "impure" e.v.s) by simply clicking a piezo (Bic bbq lighters have good ones with triggers) through a xenon tube, taking care to attach the cathode wire correctly. We found earlier that a 555 oscillator pumped through a flyback or induction coil was far too hot for good generation in tubes, but gave BRILLIANT results when the current was attenuated by 20 megs or so resistance in series with high-V caps to make a LONG RC constant. Then, the formerly thin streamers and corona discharge went away and gave us bright white streamers which are a sort of "trademark" of e.v.s in gas. Using the clicker, you may notice that the e.v.s occasionally leave the glass envelope - they are known to bore through sapphire and diamond with equal ease, given enough energy. We also demonstrated the regenerative capabilities of them by passing a pulse in round-robin around a series of tubes, and observing them "skip" across a pc board with copper lined holes. The main parameters again are: a fast high-V pulse discharged ONTO an insulated positive ground plane (cathode is emitter), with the insulation preventing recombination of the e.v. with the anode. The other parameter is that of emitter dimension in relation to voltage - the smaller the emitter, the shorter the gap, the less power and voltage required to generate e.v.s --Ken builds his around 20 microns or less using silk screening on polyimide plastic. The plastic is covered with glass frit or aluminum oxide . Oh yeah, did I mention that you can deposit diamond coatings with e.v.s by passing them through the right gas combo? With small emitters, the voltage goes down to 100V or less. A shirt pin sized emitter takes 10 kV or more, depending on gap width, etc. You can make a relaxation generator by charging, say, a 1 nf cap to 3-4 kV, which in turn connects to an emitter with a gap width under 1mm. in vacuum (air). when the voltage is high enough, the cap discharges, et voila! You need to remember that e.v.s contain 10^11 or 10^12 electrons per, so calculate your voltage* capacitance product to insure sufficient charge. A current of 1/10 micro amps equals roughly 1 e.v. per second. My plan is to try a dry pile of 1-2 kV connected to the capacitor as I described. By gating feedback to the discharge capacitor, it should be possible to build an almost passive free-running device - no active switching, etc. Well, I'm burning cash as I write, so I'll get off for now. Dennis - check this out, only remember, it IS patented. Ken Shoulders holds rights on everything BUT energy generation, which Church still owns. On the other hand, Ken thinks the patent can be beaten, for the simple fact that you can't patent a phenomena of nature, only discrete devices. You can do anything you like as long as you don't try to market it. Several groups of investors have come forward on this stuff, which can also make a desktop supercomputer on plastic, running at 1 picosecond buss speeds! Yes, you can make a self recharging battery with the stuff, and some folks are already at work on this notion - I won't say who but you might guess they're from this neck of the coast. The investors, I might add, have all been duds, with one small exception, so the field is wide open. Simply give Ken his due if it's marketed - he has been through hell and back to get some of this stuff out. Oh yeah, Ken - he designed the 1st integrated circuit in 1958, 2 yrs. before Noyce and Kilby, but got shut down as it was coming together. He went on to design the first quadrupole mass spectrometer, and several other fine things. Good luck! cc: Dennis Barfoot =============================================================================== Message 4207 DATE/TIME: 01/11/94 15:41 From : WOODY MOFFITT -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN Subject: ground connects Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi, Norm. I thought I should let you know that one of Ford's books ("Homemade Lightning") mentions a child's toy of the 1880's that consisted of a metallic rotor app. 1" long mounted so as to spin freely between 2 electrodes (like a radiometer rotor). One electrode connected to a conductive plate mounted at an elevation (to use the natural earth V gradient), while the other electrode went to ground. a capacitor was mounted between the elevated anode and 1st electrode. This design is essentially identical to one of Tesla's passive devices which used the same arrangement, the difference being size and the addition of a commutating rotor. In the case of the toy, you have true free energy producing kinetic power until friction wears out the parts, all from GROUND current. By using different plates (antennae) and more caps, etc. it is possible to draw quite a bit of juice from earth voltage gradient alone. If supercaps were used (charcoal+acid, 1.2 V/layer), it is conceivable that you could draw substantial power from a computer sized module, so long as the antenna is elevated (the higher the better), and the ground connection is sufficiently deep (6 ft. or so). It continues to surprise me that no one around here wants to try this - it is simple, cheap, and reliable, with nothing to break but the rotor, if you desire to use a commutator, (and I'm not sure that is necessary). I havn't, for the simple fact that I've got other squid to fry, and this method is obvious, if not portable. I figured that the kid's toy would be a good promo product to raise research funds - stamp some metal, shape some plastic/wood, et voila...$.25 makes $5.00. I know from your posts that you have a shop, and are talking about a lab with Jerry and crew, so you guys might fund it with this - hell a few extra hundred dollars a year might be the difference between rent ot no rent! Along the way, you can try a bigger version, or consider using ONE pole of a dry pile for the ground (-) connect, which might make it independent of soil. I also recall that Tesla made a device which emphasized extra high inductance/capacitance with low resistance and was UNGROUNDED. It functioned as a tank circuit "sponge". With a resonant Hz around 10 Hz or less, an underdamped device attenuates everything down to the critical freq., the kicker being that the cap stores the charge resulting from all those signals being damped IN the device, i.e., the device damps all higher freq. energy coming in, but stores it as opposed to merely dissipating it. A 10 H coil and a multifarad supercap will all fit in a coffee can, to give you a hint of the size. I don't recall the power achieved, but a small one may well run a tape player or such. =============================================================================== Message 4208 DATE/TIME: 01/11/94 18:01 From : BOB PADDOCK -- RECEIVED -- To : JOEL MCCLAIN Subject: (R) Recent Upload Folder : A, "Public Mail" | JM> ...and the push of earth's gravity lifts them. | | I thought that "pushing gravity" was pushing down on | the Earth from without, not the Earth pushing up. | | A pushing down from without always made since to me... | =============================================================================== Message 4209 DATE/TIME: 01/11/94 18:02 From : BOB PADDOCK -- RECEIVED -- To : BERT POOL Subject: (R) Direction and speed of electrical cu Folder : A, "Public Mail" | | BERT_P> I will use a 35 mhz oscilloscope to compare transit | BERT_P> times of the pulses. | | Scopes lie. Watch for funny ground loops in line cords and such. | | | =============================================================================== Message 4210 DATE/TIME: 01/11/94 18:03 From : BOB PADDOCK -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN Subject: (R) Magnetic Rectification Folder : A, "Public Mail" | NW> We have had a lot od dialog on the Black Hole | NW> Antennea... | NW> has phenominal gain ratios because of the negative | NW> impedance technique employed in the design. Norm | | Can some tell me where I can get a copy of the | original Back Hole antennea paper? | | | Doesn't a Tunnel Diode exibit negative impedance? | =============================================================================== Message 4211 DATE/TIME: 01/11/94 18:03 From : BOB PADDOCK -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN Subject: (R) Muller Motor Folder : A, "Public Mail" | | I got some MetaGlas stuff in the mail from Allied | today. | | Allied Signal Inc. | Amorphous Metals | 6 Eastmans Road | Parsippany, NJ 07054 | 201-581-7500 | 210-581-7581 FAX | | | Request Technical Bulletin "POWRLITE C-Cores" and " | "METGLAS Flat Loop Cores" | | APPLICATION GUIDE: Electronic Cores | | Design of High Frequency Mag Amp Regulators | Using Metglas Amorphous Alloy 2714A | | and | | Design of High Frequency Output Inductors | using Metglas Amorphous Choke Cores. | | | I have some older information at home if you're | intrested in that as well. | | =============================================================================== Message 4212 DATE/TIME: 01/11/94 18:24 From : JOEL MCCLAIN -- RECEIVED -- To : BOB PADDOCK Subject: (R) Recent Upload Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bob, Jerry brought an excellent video to the last meeting, which gave the reasoning as well as examples of push gravity. Becuz WE have spin particle energy, we push down to counter the earth's upward push, and we measure the difference as our "weight". The logic fits in light of the Bloch Wall effect, and also when considering the gravitational anomalies seen by the inventors of ZP devices. I forget who saig that to learn ZP, think of everything in reverse...probably quite a few people! CUL Joel =============================================================================== Message 4218 DATE/TIME: 01/12/94 08:42 From : NORMAN WOOTAN To : ALL Subject: Magnetic Rectification/ Metglas Folder : A, "Public Mail" You know the old saying," I thought I was wrong one time but it turned out that I was mistaken". Ha! Ha! Well I was wrong about the source of the magnetic rectification info for it is contained in "Inventions, Researches and Writings of Nikola Tesla" originally published in 1894 by The Electrical Engineer of New York. If you don't have this book, get it for it has all of Tesla's lecture manuscripts plus a ton of other goodies including a wealth of info on Farraday disk dynamos better known today as "N Machuines". About Metglas, please provide all info possible about this material for I believe it would be usefull to all researchers out there because if it's unique properties. You have been very helpfull by providing an address of Allied Signal. Norm cc: Bob Paddock William Allen Bill Beaty =============================================================================== Message 4219 DATE/TIME: 01/12/94 08:42 From : NORMAN WOOTAN -- PRIVATE -- -- RECEIVED -- To : BOB PADDOCK (CARBON COPY) Subject: Magnetic Rectification/ Metglas Folder : A, "Public Mail" NOTE: The following message was originally addressed to ALL and a CARBON COPY was sent to you. -------------------- You know the old saying," I thought I was wrong one time but it turned out that I was mistaken". Ha! Ha! Well I was wrong about the source of the magnetic rectification info for it is contained in "Inventions, Researches and Writings of Nikola Tesla" originally published in 1894 by The Electrical Engineer of New York. If you don't have this book, get it for it has all of Tesla's lecture manuscripts plus a ton of other goodies including a wealth of info on Farraday disk dynamos better known today as "N Machuines". About Metglas, please provide all info possible about this material for I believe it would be usefull to all researchers out there because if it's unique properties. You have been very helpfull by providing an address of Allied Signal. Norm cc: Bob Paddock William Allen Bill Beaty =============================================================================== Message 4220 DATE/TIME: 01/12/94 08:42 From : NORMAN WOOTAN -- PRIVATE -- -- RECEIVED -- To : WILLIAM ALLEN (CARBON COPY) Subject: Magnetic Rectification/ Metglas Folder : A, "Public Mail" NOTE: The following message was originally addressed to ALL and a CARBON COPY was sent to you. -------------------- You know the old saying," I thought I was wrong one time but it turned out that I was mistaken". Ha! Ha! Well I was wrong about the source of the magnetic rectification info for it is contained in "Inventions, Researches and Writings of Nikola Tesla" originally published in 1894 by The Electrical Engineer of New York. If you don't have this book, get it for it has all of Tesla's lecture manuscripts plus a ton of other goodies including a wealth of info on Farraday disk dynamos better known today as "N Machuines". About Metglas, please provide all info possible about this material for I believe it would be usefull to all researchers out there because if it's unique properties. You have been very helpfull by providing an address of Allied Signal. Norm cc: Bob Paddock William Allen Bill Beaty =============================================================================== Message 4221 DATE/TIME: 01/12/94 08:42 From : NORMAN WOOTAN -- PRIVATE -- -- RECEIVED -- To : BILL BEATY (CARBON COPY) Subject: Magnetic Rectification/ Metglas Folder : A, "Public Mail" NOTE: The following message was originally addressed to ALL and a CARBON COPY was sent to you. -------------------- You know the old saying," I thought I was wrong one time but it turned out that I was mistaken". Ha! Ha! Well I was wrong about the source of the magnetic rectification info for it is contained in "Inventions, Researches and Writings of Nikola Tesla" originally published in 1894 by The Electrical Engineer of New York. If you don't have this book, get it for it has all of Tesla's lecture manuscripts plus a ton of other goodies including a wealth of info on Farraday disk dynamos better known today as "N Machuines". About Metglas, please provide all info possible about this material for I believe it would be usefull to all researchers out there because if it's unique properties. You have been very helpfull by providing an address of Allied Signal. Norm cc: Bob Paddock William Allen Bill Beaty =============================================================================== Message 4222 DATE/TIME: 01/12/94 08:53 From : NORMAN WOOTAN To : ALL Subject: Ground Connect Folder : A, "Public Mail" Back several years ago I put together one of Teslas' cosmic ray collectors and simple escapement motors and it worked just as R. A. Ford depicted in his book. The most interesting thing that I noticed is that the capacitor connected to the elevated antennea or collector accumulated a charge just the opposite that you wouldnormally assume,that is a negative charge. My thinking is that the capacitor was actually being charge from the earth with the elevated antennea providing an opposite charge sink on the other side of the capacitor plates. Sort of like Tesla trying to tell us that the real power of the Tesla coil opperating at full resonance would be manifested in the ground circuit of the coil with the elevated capacitance being mearly a sink for the oscillations to occur. Remember that Tesla said that for a Tesla coil to do any worthwile work that there should be no spark or corona discharge at the upperterminal. If discharge did occur it is mearly a waste of energy. Norm cc: Woody Moffitt =============================================================================== Message 4223 DATE/TIME: 01/12/94 08:53 From : NORMAN WOOTAN -- PRIVATE -- -- RECEIVED -- To : WOODY MOFFITT (CARBON COPY) Subject: Ground Connect Folder : A, "Public Mail" NOTE: The following message was originally addressed to ALL and a CARBON COPY was sent to you. -------------------- Back several years ago I put together one of Teslas' cosmic ray collectors and simple escapement motors and it worked just as R. A. Ford depicted in his book. The most interesting thing that I noticed is that the capacitor connected to the elevated antennea or collector accumulated a charge just the opposite that you wouldnormally assume,that is a negative charge. My thinking is that the capacitor was actually being charge from the earth with the elevated antennea providing an opposite charge sink on the other side of the capacitor plates. Sort of like Tesla trying to tell us that the real power of the Tesla coil opperating at full resonance would be manifested in the ground circuit of the coil with the elevated capacitance being mearly a sink for the oscillations to occur. Remember that Tesla said that for a Tesla coil to do any worthwile work that there should be no spark or corona discharge at the upperterminal. If discharge did occur it is mearly a waste of energy. Norm cc: Woody Moffitt =============================================================================== Message 4224 DATE/TIME: 01/12/94 09:26 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) To : ALL Subject: Butt-Head Astronomer Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Folks! This was in the January 10, 1994 ComputerWorld... Sources at Apple say astronomer Carl Sagan was so UPSET that Apple engineers had used his moniker as the code name for a 66-MHZ PowerPC in development that he called up the Cupertino, California company and gave them an earful. Ever the gentlemen (and women), the techies backed down. The new name of the project, BHA, stands for Butt-Head Astronomer. Sagan, as well as code names Cold Fusion and PDM, were originally chosen by Apple engineers, who consider them the three biggest HOAXES of all time (PDM stands for Piltdown Man, trumpeted as the oldest human remains when found), according to an engineer who recently left Apple...... >>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4226 DATE/TIME: 01/12/94 10:27 From : BILL BEATY -- RECEIVED -- To : BERT POOL Subject: (R) Direction and speed of electrical cu Folder : A, "Public Mail" Sounds like your analogy with the hose and paddle wheels is just about what I am visualizing for the workings of your experiment. One detail: . > That is, of course, unless the rarefaction wave, upon passing > the paddle wheel, reaches the compression wave at the MIDDLE of > the hose, and cancels it. (Both waves are traveling at the same > speed and so should meet at the middle point of the hose. > Compression and rarefaction waves DO cancel, yes?). . On the above, I would say that the compression and rarefaction waves would meet and cancel MOMENTARILY, but would then continue moving and go through each other and continue unaffected. I've seen this happen with water ripples. I've even made it happen myself when playing with pulses on hanging ropes and swinging chains. It's only when the medium is "nonlinear" that one wave can alter the path of another wave's energy. In linear media, waves go through each other and come out unaffected. . Oh, here's another thing I though of. The resistance of a power supply is very low, so you treat it as a conductor. So, if you should connect the battery to the long loop of wire AND LEAVE IT CONNECTED, the waves of compression and rarefaction should go all the way around the loop, return, and PASS THROUGH THE BATTERY and go around again. The LEDs should change brightness many times in a resonant exponential decay, as smaller and smaller positive and negative current waves go past them. The current waves would continue forever, but I think the resistance of the LEDs and of the wire will make them die off after a few trips. If the wire resistance is high enough, the waves might even be smeared out after a single trip. Something to watch out for. . And even if you disconnect the battery a microsecond after sending the pulses, you will still get multiple pulses at the LEDs because the missing battery acts as a mismatched impedance on your line, which causes total reflection of any waves hitting the end of the wire. The waves will return to the battery, find it missing, and so reverse course and make trips around the loop again backwards. . Wasn't there some free-energy invention which used very long lengths of wire lying on the ground? I think it was powered by a tesla coil, but even so, you might get some weird results if your experiment interacts in any way with telluric currents, AC or DC. You might discover something interesting. Wouldn't it be great if you could accidentally tap a few kilowatts from the ether and blow up your LEDs? Or you might discover that you have to invest in 10000 feet of coaxial cable to get rid of earth current signals. . Also, I wonder if Bearden's "Final Secret" stuff involves some instantaneous propagation effects, followed by normal light speed effects. The thing where he connects a voltage to an inductor and then removes it before current starts, doesn't quite make sense if the starting of the current propagates as a lightspeed wave. Connecting a battery to an inductor, for even a brief moment, should in theory send a pulse down the wire of the coil. But if instead there was some INSTANTANEOUS wave (of electrogravity?) which filled the whole wire, it might alter the wire and make it suck ZPE. If this happens, you should see some waves on your wire which go much faster than the speed of light. Something to watch for! . I wonder what happens when you first connect one battery terminal to the wire loop, THEN connect the other one? The wire will first be suddenly charged up to the voltage of the battery terminal. As this voltage wave passes each LED, if it is high enough, it might make the LED pulse very breifly. This would be weird: flashing the LEDs with only ONE battery terminal connected. I don't know if the other battery terminal has to be connected to earth for this to happen, since it is an electrostatic effect. You also might have to momentarily ground your long wire first, to make sure it's at 0 volts. . >By the way Bill, you are certainly invited to participate in >performing this experiment (hope you are local!). . Sorry, I'm not local, I'm Seattle, WA. We used to have a fringe science/UFO/Magik/etc. group here a couple of years ago, called "The Group," but it ran out of steam when the person volunteering his home for meetings moved out of travel range. There still is Dale Travous here with his 9 ft. multi 10-KW tesla coil, and Gary Hawkins, who's 30KV capacitor bank penny-blasting was featured in EXTRAORDINARY SCIENCES last month. =============================================================================== Message 4227 DATE/TIME: 01/12/94 10:29 From : BILL BEATY -- RECEIVED -- To : BERT POOL Subject: (R) Cease-of-motion wave??? Folder : A, "Public Mail" >Bill, what in the heck is a "ceasing-of-motion" wave? I know this >is the "New Age", so maybe this is a Wave of the New Age? |:) . Yes, Glasshoppah, when ceasing-of-motion wave propagate to the everpresent "now" of one's position on the worldline, one begins to smell and is in need of being discarded. . Sorry ;) . That "ceasing of motion" thing is something I started saying because, when explaining electricity to people, I found that most everyone uses the word "current" to describe what flows in wires, rather than calling it "electricity" or "charge" or electrons. "Current" cannot flow if current IS a flow of something. In my older message I almost said that a wave of "current" was going down the wire, but because of the blurry meaning of the word, I instead tried to say it more accurately. When you connect a battery to a circuit and wait a while, the whole circuit ends up with flowing charge. How did that charge start flowing? Well, when the wires first touched together, a wave of "starting-of-motion" zipped all around the circuit, leaving constantly flowing electrons in its wake. Now, when you break a closed circuit, THE ELECTRONS STOP WHERE THEY ARE. And they do the "stopping" one after another in sequence. And so a wave of motionlessness, or a wave of zero current, or a wave of ceasing-of-motion of electrons, overtakes each one in the circuit at the speed of light, leaving a lot of motionless electrons at the end. In your experiment with the long wire, the compression and rarefaction waves aren't simply pulses of breif movement, because in front of the waves the electrons are stopped, and behind the waves the electrons are moving. The waves are leading edges of a spreading area of movement of charges. =============================================================================== Message 4232 DATE/TIME: 01/12/94 17:48 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : BOB PADDOCK Subject: (R) Recent Upload Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bob! I can't answer for Joel but I believe he was referring to "seemingly" random GRAVITIC INVERSIONS where the gravity effect does INDEED PUSH UP....that is simply an analogical term saying that the wind now blows outward sufficient to overcome the incoming gravitic wind. This is one of the contentions offered to explain the Bermuda triangle and some of the stories such as SKYLAND where something like a great Atlantean crystal is shifted in the mud of the triangle, to be exposed and thus charged with energy....once it reaches a certain point, it discharges some kind of energy field and anything caught in it will be blown out into space (or even hyper-dimensionally)...who knows.... There are however, several gravity anomaly points on the earth...I went to one of them in California and you could clearly see the line of demarcation of the ZONE of the field....tress on one side grew normally, on the other side of this line, the trees grew with a twisting motion...I got as much tourist stuff as I could and have just not got it on the board...there is nothing really to see, just the EFFECTS on the growing masses and some odd physical phenomena...yes, they do use the tilted house, etc...to accentuate it but there is something definitely there when you see plants twisting.... One thing very odd...one of the trees growing outside the zone had normal growth....except for a limb that extended INTO the zone...that limb WAS TWISTED!...very bizarre... I have a book, sent by James Hartman, about a series of measurements made by T.T. Brown working for the government, on gravitic anomalies over the earth. He was interested in these as possibly leading to a way to overcome gravity....>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4238 DATE/TIME: 01/12/94 18:24 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : BILL BEATY Subject: (R) Cease-of-motion wave??? Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bill/Bert! Can we use a slinky to see this more accurately..excellent description, Master!...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4245 DATE/TIME: 01/12/94 21:12 From : RICK ANDERSEN -- RECEIVED -- To : DILLON RIDGUARD Subject: (R) PHASE CONJUGATION Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hello Dillon. Unfortunately, and contrary to Jerry Decker's 1994 BBS motto about 'less talk, more action', I have not performed any hands-on experiments with phase conjugation. My purpose was to establish its reality and documentation-- it has been in our Physics encyclopedias for several years now but has lately become Tom Bearden's Magic Elixir and so I've been researching it to find out as much as I can, partly to verify Bearden's theories. I have no doubt it can be and has been done at RF (at least at microwave frequencies), but I'm trying to synthesize or come up with a generalized method of doing this and the other things Bearden constantly mentions, such as producing a "scalar potential" via zero-summed EM waves, with TANGIBLE measurable results. I find Bearden's writings to be very much like self-help and how-to-make-money books: You're left all excited and you seem to understand what he's getting at, but you ask yourself "Now what do I do?" because he always falls short of supplying exact schematics, etc., because everything is always "proprietary" and Tom is leaking all he can to us, but no more, and never quite enough! Anyway, if Jerry will post it, I wrote a Part Two to that phase conjugation paper, and I hope he'll put it up soon so that more people like you can start thinking about this stuff and get some steam up for discussion, further research, and possibly some experimentation. One thing I'd like to try, since I don't own any optics, radar-absorbent material, or even a radar (for that matter), is to make AUDIO FREQUENCY SOUND phase conjugation, which Bearden hints is easy to do, but of course doesn't say exactly how. One more thing tha is bothering me: the literature speaks of the PC wave always in terms of a REFLECTED wave off the PC mirror. How do we make a self-contained generator-- let's call it a gun of sorts-- that shoots out the PC "ray" to some distant target; when the literature always has it returning to the original light source? Hope you undertood that one- don't know if I phrased it right. Well thanks again for the interest. By the way, if anyone saw the (1990?) comedy movie "Real Genius", about an evil military organization that secretly "uses" brilliant college Physics students to solve some hi-power laser problems, the solution turns out to be a LASER based on PHASE-CONJUGATION! Seems I remembered this only when I began looking up info on the subject. So even Hollywood has already played on this theme with reference to SDI-type weapons! =============================================================================== Message 4247 DATE/TIME: 01/12/94 23:12 From : RICK ANDERSEN -- RECEIVED -- To : DILLON RIDGUARD Subject: Phase Conjugation Folder : A, "Public Mail" Dillon-- I forgot to mention that my Part 2 file is line at the Tesla BBS, (719) 486-2775 if you don't find it here on KeelyNet. - Rick =============================================================================== Message 4252 DATE/TIME: 01/13/94 06:09 From : ROD FREDLUND To : ALL Subject: ESSIAC Folder : A, "Public Mail" Today on the Maury Povich Show he is going to be discussing a family & how they aren't being allowed to follow alternative treatment for cancer. The preview showed a bottle with ESSIAC labeled on it. =============================================================================== Message 4259 DATE/TIME: 01/13/94 10:52 From : JOHN DRAPER To : ALL Subject: Re: Upload of GALSTONE.ZIP Folder : A, "Public Mail" I've uploade a file for several natural remedies for gall and kidney stones. =============================================================================== Message 4264 DATE/TIME: 01/13/94 20:49 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : JOHN DRAPER Subject: (R) Re: Upload of GALSTONE.ZIP Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi John! Thanks for the file, it will make a welcome edition...wish i had it about a year earlier and it would save me about $7,000...but perhaps it will save someone else..<g>....later...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4266 DATE/TIME: 01/13/94 21:54 From : STEVE MONTGOMERY -- RECEIVED -- To : Jerry Decker (SYSOP) Subject: Comment Folder : A, "Public Mail" Thank you for allowing me to visit your BBS! I have been looking for a BBS like your for years and will DEFINITELY visit again!!! (I just wish you guys were a little closer.) I am an amateur experimenter looking mainly into the effects of electromagnetic radiation on certain aspects of photonic radiation and I'll try to upload any data that I might find. Thanks again for your GREAT BBS. Steve Montgomery =============================================================================== Message 4269 DATE/TIME: 01/13/94 23:31 From : JOEL MCCLAIN To : ALL Subject: Neutral Centers and Anti-G Folder : A, "Public Mail" Just finished reading a story by Bruce Cathie, in which he relates about a Swedish Dr. Jarls, Oxford educated, who visited Tibet in 1939, at the invitation of a Tibetan student. Dr. Jarls filmed the "hurling" of the stones, where musical instruments are used to resonate large stones, and move them up the side of a cliff. They used voices, along with 13 drums and 6 trumpets. After four minutes, the stones would begin to rise, and would reach the cliff (250' up) in three more minutes. Some of the stones would split apart. The English Scientific Society took the films, and classified them. The exact location of the monastery is on a gravitic grid location, and the theory is that by resonating the neutral centers of the stones at that location, the gravity (Bloch Wall) would push the stones up. Same theory is offered for the pyramids and for the Coral Castle, which are both on Bloch Walls, as well. Also ties in nicely with descriptions of ancient harmonious flying machines, working on the same principal. CUL Joel =============================================================================== Message 4271 DATE/TIME: 01/14/94 01:37 From : TOM MCCOY -- RECEIVED -- To : JIM SHAFFER Subject: (R) Zhirinosky Folder : A, "Public Mail" A 'Elipton' is probably the thing that Tom Beardon has been saying that the Russians have had for some years now. Tesla sold the Russians a prototype before his death. Tesla tried to sell it to the USofA and Britain with out luck. I think he got a hundred thousand or so for it. Jack Van Impe is a TV gloom and Doom preacher from Michigan. Most of what he has on his TV shows is the world news seen through the bible and the End times. =============================================================================== Message 4273 DATE/TIME: 01/14/94 05:59 From : WESLEY PRICE -- RECEIVED -- To : BOB PADDOCK Subject: ankylosing spondylitis Folder : A, "Public Mail" | She has been diagnosed with Ankylosing Spondylitis, | which is a rare kind of arthritis that affects the backbone I started a reply to this right after I read it but unfortunately lost it when I saved it.. the reply was initially supposed to address ankylosing spondylitis only, then as I typed I realized that the "cure" for ankylosing spondylitis is the same "cure" for almost every "degenerative" disease that exists...What I am proposing to you that read this and I hope bob and his wife try it is, a balancing act of in and out, assimilation and elimination. The key here is I believe getting a working, experiential knowlege of YOUR body. What makes YOU feel better and what makes YOU feel worse. You may already have this. If you don't, start keeping journal, see a naturual heath authority (someone who has experiential knowlege about how the body works) or more generally get in touch with YOU. There are no "cures" outside experiential knowlege of YOU. To elaborate there is only one, unique You.. Stastical models represent what happens to the average person with ankylosing spondylitis or any other "condition"..YOU are Unique ! YOU have a unique solution ! There are ,however, some guiding principles that may help. 1.Detoxify 2.Remineralize 3.Oxygenate not necessarily in that order. Detoxify - open and keep open all the channels of elimination Lungs Large intestine kidney liver skin any naturopath and some chiropractors would be able to help with a good individualized program to accelerate and maintain this process using herbs and exercises, specific for each organ area. Remineralize - get and use a potent , natural trace mineral supplement. trace minerals are essential at the mitochondrial level to provide the catalysts and carriers for energy production..energy that when available can be used for detox and tissue repair. Oxygenate - find and use sources of additional oxygen - exercise, hydrogen peroxide, ozone - again, at the mitochondrial level, available oxygen fuels (provides electrons) for the production of energy ( to be used for tissue detoxification and repair ie. healing) additionally, get a homeopath who will work with you to address underlying energetic distubances ( blocks in the transmission and reproduction of the perfect image that spirit has of each of us ) - we're laid down on a subtle energy template, when that primordial energy is blocked, DIS-ease ensues. Master Herbalist John Christopher said, there are NO incurable diseases but there are incurable people. Have to get in touch with YOU..... good luck in your search if I can help further leave a a note wesley ps forgot to mention - all this seems to revolve around having excess energy to be able to divert from the routine maintainance functions of the organism to the functions of detox and repair(healing). The idea of forgiveness is a powerful tool to free up energy that can be redirecteced to the healing process.. It robs you of energy to harbor negative feelings for another.or self.( simple but not to be overlooked ) =============================================================================== Message 4274 DATE/TIME: 01/14/94 13:38 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : STEVE MONTGOMERY Subject: (R) Comment Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Steve! And you are Welcome to KeelyNet! Thanks for the positive comments!...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4277 DATE/TIME: 01/14/94 13:42 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : TOM MCCOY Subject: (R) Zhirinosky Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Tom! Yes, I have seen this cranky fellow on the news, yelling at folks to shut up...today, someone slugged him when he threatened them in the Parliament cafeteria....>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4278 DATE/TIME: 01/14/94 14:59 From : JOEL MCCLAIN -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: Re: Upload of PEREMOTR.ZIP Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Guys, Here's a "free energy machine" that has been languishing in the archives for about 700 years! It's easy and cheap to build, and I think we could proto a few of them locally. CUL Joel cc: Norman Wootan =============================================================================== Message 4279 DATE/TIME: 01/14/94 14:59 From : JOEL MCCLAIN -- PRIVATE -- -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN (CARBON COPY) Subject: Re: Upload of PEREMOTR.ZIP Folder : A, "Public Mail" NOTE: The following message was originally addressed to JERRY DECKER and a CARBON COPY was sent to you. -------------------- Hi Guys, Here's a "free energy machine" that has been languishing in the archives for about 700 years! It's easy and cheap to build, and I think we could proto a few of them locally. CUL Joel cc: Norman Wootan =============================================================================== Message 4285 DATE/TIME: 01/14/94 20:05 From : NICK BISHER To : ALL Subject: Re: Upload of WFPC-01.GIF Folder : A, "Public Mail" One of 6 Gif's from NASA on Fedworld BBS 1/13/94, from the new improved Hubble.. Run as WFPC-01 thru 06.. in Misc files. =============================================================================== Message 4287 DATE/TIME: 01/14/94 20:45 From : BILL BEATY To : ALL Subject: Audio phase conj. Folder : A, "Public Mail" I don't think it's that easy to build an acoustic phase-congugate mirror. Don't these devices always require some sort of time-reversal, also some way of recording a two-dimensional pattern? The simplest way I can think of doing an acoustic version is this: Put a few hundred tiny loudspeakers and microphones in a large grid pattern with one speaker adjacent to each mic. Wire the mics to the inputs of a supertaperecorder having several hundred channels. Now record some distant sounds. If you now play the tape back in reverse so the sound comes out of the speakers backwards and amplified, the waveforms and phases of the sounds coming from the speakers will be such that the grid of speakers will direct powerful beams of sound out to each original source. Even with many separate sound sources, the device will simultaneously send a beam to each one. . Here's another idea: line a harbor with numerous individual high- speed water level sensors, and also numerous wave generators (maybe piston-driven panels or something) Now make a splash at some particular place in the harbor, and record the waves received on shore. If you now play back the received signals into the wave generators, and play them in reverse, you create a time-reversed contracting ripple pattern that shrinks down into a splash. And with a little amplification and processing, you could direct huge splashs to any point in the harbor. I've always wanted to do this in a science museum duck pond, then let people handle the controls of the timereversed phasecongugate hydralic wave duck dunker! =============================================================================== Message 4288 DATE/TIME: 01/14/94 21:53 From : JOEL MCCLAIN -- RECEIVED -- To : BILL BEATY Subject: (R) Audio phase conj. Folder : A, "Public Mail" Try reversing the + and - on a pair of stereo speakers, and you'll notice that sone of the sounds are missiûng...they "beat" with each other, and cancel...except that energy is never destroyed, so the diffrence is phase conjugated, Same thing with an audio amp, where you reverse the phase off of a "y" on one side. Inverting the phase creates the effect that you are seeking, I think. CUL Joel =============================================================================== Message 4291 DATE/TIME: 01/14/94 22:54 From : NORMAN WOOTAN To : ALL Subject: Information Release Folder : A, "Public Mail" An interesting article appeared inthe Jan. New Energy News which I got today. This article was an edditor note in a box on front page. Quote, "INFORMATION TO BE RELEASED ON FEBRUARY 1,1994. One of the most exciting theoretical developments in the history of science will be revealed at a press conference on February 1,1994. As a publisher, New Energy News has been provided with advanced information and an invitation to the press conference. The February, 1994 issue of New Energy News will feature this important theoretical breakthrough. This special issue will olso applaud the peer-review system for it's important and properly-played role in this important scientific announcement. Tell your friends to become subscribers to NEN before this important issue is mailed! They will thank you for your suggestion." The address for New Energy News is P.O.Box 58639, Salt Lake City, UT 84158-8639 or phone (801) 583-6232, FAX (801)583-6245. I know this sounds like a commercial for New Energy News but this is serious business. We'll just have to wait to see what is announced and what energy area this pertains to. I'll keep you posted of any developments. Norm =============================================================================== Message 4292 DATE/TIME: 01/15/94 00:17 From : BILL BEATY -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: keely-like book Folder : A, "Public Mail" Jerry, have you ever read the book THROUGH THE CURTAIN by V.Neal and S Karagulla? I happened across it in the Seattle library system. Even though it is New Age stuff, records of "classrooms" that people attended in their sleep, and I wouldn't ordinarily take it very seriously, it is full of physics and technology descriptions which strongly push the importance of SOUND for atomic physics, and talk about acoustics principles which are being ignored by current science. And also, the dreams were supposed to have been recorded in the early '60s. Other stuff which might sound familiar: glass caduceus coil devices which use acoustic energy to tap "dielectric" flows. Descriptions of space as being composed of complex patterns of "sound" (maybe longtudinal scalar waves?) One concept stressed as important is the "neutral point" at the center of atoms and of forms, where dual spiralling counterflows of something come together. Construction of perpetual motor inventions which "are no secret," but which won't start running until someone thinks a particular pattern of thoughts. And a 1964 Soviet super- weapon based on discoveries made from research into Van Allen belts combined with the work of some guy called Tesla, and involving ultrasound resonance of iron atoms, causing transmutation and energy release. They say it killed many researchers by transmutation of hemoglobin. . Too weird, especially if really was written back in the '60s before the Tesla or Fringe Science subculture had appeared. The book copyright is 1983. Take a look if you can get it. =============================================================================== Message 4294 DATE/TIME: 01/15/94 02:31 From : BILL BEATY -- RECEIVED -- To : WILLIAM ALLEN Subject: (R) artificial scm Folder : A, "Public Mail" On the "artificial superconductor" coil: . I came up with my device while wondering how to fake a superconductor levitation effect for a museum exhibit. You probably know that a superconductor can levitate permanent magnets by excluding their fields via closed current loops on the surface of the material. What suddenly appeared in my brain was a picture of a matrix of electromagnet coils, each with a hall-effect magnetic field sensor in the center, and each driven by a power amplifier getting its signal from the sensor. This setup does nothing, since the sensors detect any field from the coils and force them to turn off. BUT, if a magnet approaches the matrix of coils, the sensors will turn on the coils just enough to force the field at the sensors to be zero. This is just what a superconductor plate does! And the coils do repel the magnet. Regardless of which pole of the magnet approaches the coil, the sensor sends a current which forces the coil and magnet to repel. . Building this device is easier than it sounds. First try making a single "repulsor" coil as shown below. You use a switching-type bipolar hall effect sensor, a PNP and an NPN power darlington transistor, and a coil taken from a solenoid. I used 1/4-20 bolts for the iron core of my coils. The coil was for a 12V solenoid, and I drove it with + and - 24Vdc supplies. I got the transistors from DIGI-KEY electronic mail order, and the SS41 from R&D Electronic surplus catalog. . +Power \ / +Power 22K \ / GND __________ / / SS41 | | \ |/ ZTX603 goes here | / | | | | \100K *----*---| | | / | | | CORE V Micro- | \ / | |\ | ================ Switch _|_ | |/ | __\| ================ SS41 | | | | | \ _ _ _ | |-----*---| | | / \ / \ / \ |___| | | | | || || | | |\ | | |_____\_/__\_/__\_/__ | __\| | | COIL | -Power \ | | (fm 24V Solnoid.) | | | | / | | | |/__ | | | |/ GND | | | | *---| ZTX705 | | | |\ -Power \ \ -Power . Get the circuit operating, place the SS41 Hall-Effect sensor against the end of the coil's iron core, then bring a bar magnet near the end of the core and see if it repels. If not, turn the SS41 over to reverse it's output polarity. Attach the SS41 to the core (I used cable ties and silicone) . This is one repulsor coil. It acts like a bar magnet which repels either end of another magnet! With five I managed to levitate a 3" alnico rod magnet VERY wobbly and temporary. With two rows of six coils attached to iron strips, I made a slanted track which bar magnets would zip silently along. This circuit is too simple and has no adjustments, and it is underdamped, so levitated magnets tend to wobble. Copper damping plates (pennys) held near the levitated magnet can cure this, but it's a cludgey fix. I have yet to build a square panel and attempt to float a big magnet. . If you build any of the above, try connecting an audio amp to the DC power lines. Each repulsor circuit is an inheirant switching power supply, and the chorus of variable frequency whining sounds from the coils is pretty cool. . On capacitor discharge: leave messages for Gary Hawkins on this board. He is working with 30kV oil capacitors with discharge energies like a shotgun blast. Ask him about samples of the pennies and quarters he shrunk by compressing them with the field of an exploding coil. cc: Jerry Decker =============================================================================== Message 4297 DATE/TIME: 01/15/94 07:07 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) To : ALL Subject: Earth Energy Generators Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Folks! I have to write this down as I just woke up after having a very bizarre dream. Norman Wootan has been speculating about tapping an earth energy that is primarily negative. In the dream, Joel McClain and I were over at Norms place, it was kind of on the outskirts of a small town and next to a railroad track. The house had a very odd design and we were sitting around talking and watching some kind of Discovery Channel show. In another room, another TV was running and I found myself watching it while Norman and Joel watched the one in the living room. The show I saw showed aerial photos of sections of Europe that had this long windings earth type structures, one in the shape of a man. The show said that Tesla had discovered a way to tap earth energy by using these earth structures, and there was sufficient power to operate an entire city. I tried to pull details from the dream and the TV as to construction and all I could get was a kind of orgone/capacitor type of construction. That is, a deep channel was cut into the earth and layered with rocks followed by fibrous organic material, followed by rocks and more fibrous material. These things were enormous, being about 30 to 50 feet wide and MILES long. In the dream, we all got very excited about it as we wanted to build one. At the rear of the house was a railroad track that was laid in a channel cut in the earth...we figured since railroads had the right of way and many of the tracks were abandoned, this would provide the perfect test bed. The idea being to locate a channel area and use a grader to place the rocks and then lay out the fibrous material. It was a very odd dream and seems to be trying to tell me (or us) something. There was mention of an old earth form that was sponsored by a King Phillip and that was used to provide power as a defense method. I could not see the country but it went on to proclaim the virtues of this totally natural means of tapping energy. From the aerial photo, they showed a proposed system that was dozens of miles long...the bigger the unbroken structure, the more power could be pulled. Anyway, you know dreams, if you don't write it down when you just wake up, you forget it or lose the "details".....is there something to this "dream tip"....>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4298 DATE/TIME: 01/15/94 07:19 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : BILL BEATY Subject: (R) Audio phase conj. Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bill! Currently, there are two noise cancelling devices that are sold through the mail. It looks like a walkman, with a pair of headphones and a box that you wear on your belt. I brought the info to our last meeting and need to post it here. The machine has a way to adjust which noises you wish to cancel...when these freqs are picked up, they are flipped by 180 degrees and rebroadcast at the SAME intensity, thus cancelling out ONLY those frequencies....You could use this same device as a detector and amp it up for "other" uses...hehehe...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4300 DATE/TIME: 01/15/94 07:23 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : BILL BEATY Subject: (R) keely-like book Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bill! Thanks, sounds like my kind of book. I will see if I can locate a copy!!...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4303 DATE/TIME: 01/15/94 07:27 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : BILL BEATY Subject: (R) artificial scm Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bill! You know there are two versions of this already on the market as executive "toys"....both use magnetic fields that are controlled by light sensors....a ferrous object to be levitated is placed in the field and its height is sensed by a pair of phototransistors. These determine the current required to cause the magnet to "pull" from the top end of the device. I think they are about $30 to $50, depending on what you buy and where you buy it....>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4306 DATE/TIME: 01/15/94 09:25 From : NORMAN WOOTAN To : ALL Subject: Important Theoretical Announcement Folder : A, "Public Mail" After reading the New Energy News in detail, I now believe that what is going to be announced on 1,Feb 1994 is The Grand Unified Theory that has been so elusive for all these years. There is enough evidence now for someone to go out on the limb and publish the THEORY. Jerry, I will drop off a copy of NEN in your box this morning so that you too can read and comment on this very important event. You know how we like to speculate. Ha! Ha! Boy this next Vangard meeting is going to be a HUM-DINGER. Norm =============================================================================== Message 4307 DATE/TIME: 01/15/94 12:34 From : NORMAN WOOTAN To : ALL Subject: Negative Spike/ Dreams by Jerry Folder : A, "Public Mail" Jerry: I too awakened around 0300 this morning with a warm feeling and thought I had wet the bed. I guess it was levitation instead of urination though. Your dream may be a look into the future for the more I explore this tapping an earth energy in the form of negative electricity the better it looks. Wat is most interesting is the fact that my method is totally solid state with no moving parts. Bert has a similar project that also has no moving parts and is totally solid state based but is a different approach to a well known phenomenon. Most people out there on the net and our local Vangard Group probably wonder about the methods of ZERO POINT ENERGY tapping that a publicised and think we should build them. My theory is to leap-frog the current state of the art and build the next phase or improve in some way the allready built and proven models. If we all share openly our successes and failures we can accomplish more, faster and keep up with the pace of development of this expanding New Science. Idropped off the documents at about 1030, guess you were catching some ZZZZZZZ'. NORM =============================================================================== Message 4308 DATE/TIME: 01/15/94 13:11 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN Subject: (R) Negative Spike/ Dreams by Jerry Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Norm! Got up, wrote the message and went back to bed, so guess I was sleeping when you came by. Got a great paper on a Stirling cycle pump/motor (depending on configuration) that will run on as little as 178 degrees F. and the construction is JUST PIPES and FITTINGS....will make you a copy...they claim you can use the standard solar collectors to run this thing all the time, thus charging a system that would run your house...lots of uses....some really great info that needs to make it to the board....I just got them yesterday and just glanced through them so no copies yet...will bring you a set at the meeting on the 20th....thanks...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4310 DATE/TIME: 01/15/94 14:17 From : CHRIS TERRANEAU -- RECEIVED -- To : GERALD O'DOCHARTY Subject: (R) gravity Folder : A, "Public Mail" Gerald- Sorry about the blank message. I guess I pressed the wrong key while browsing the E-mail, and I was unable to stop the BBS from forwarding a reply that I never intended to do anyway. I'll try to watch my fingers more closely in the future. Thanks! >>C.T. =============================================================================== Message 4311 DATE/TIME: 01/15/94 15:31 From : BILL BEATY -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: Keely motor Folder : A, "Public Mail" THROUGH THE CURTAIN by Viola Neal & Shafica Karagulia DeVorss & Co, Marina del Ray, CA, (c)1983 . This is a book on particular dreams some people had in the early '60s, where in the dream the person attended some sort of class and had various things explained to them. . In the Technology part of the book, the "teachers" say many times that sound is extremely important to physics, psychic phenomena, and to the structure of the universe. Also, the following two paragraphs suddenly appear. No other mention of motors or of "K" appear anywhere else as far as I can see. . From p172: "Concentrating on a particular geometrical form first at his throat center, then at a point in the brain, made it possible to start the "K" motor. The motor itself required a certain type of construction which was no secret, but once he had started it by this method it continued to operate until he had shut it off, either by mechanical means or again by focusing on certain geometrical forms in his brain. "K" happened on this through experimentation. He knew it was dangerous to give it to people and never said how he did it." . From p180: "The secret of the "K" motor was a crystalline form that was used and no one knew. It was under everybody's nose, but no one felt a crystal had an effect on a motor. "K" found out that just by visualizing the geometrical form of the crystal, he could get the motor to start. But there were crystals in the mechanism of the motor. Simpler devices than "K's" motor could be made. A simple combination of magnets and crystals could give you all the energy you need to run a house." . So, who could the mysterious "K" be??! =============================================================================== Message 4312 DATE/TIME: 01/15/94 15:35 From : BILL BEATY -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: (R) artificial scm Folder : A, "Public Mail" Yep, I've seen these things, and even built a large one on the lab bench which lifted a 12" steel world-globe. The levitation device I made is about the same, yet different, since it pushes up from below. It also is immune to opaque objects like fingers and paper. It can be used to float a magnet off a table (with the device underneath) with no equipment showing above the tabletop. I don't think it involves and fringe technology at all, unless the slow buildup of oscillations of the magnet come from scalar interactions instead of from nonlinearity and from circuit noise. =============================================================================== Message 4313 DATE/TIME: 01/15/94 15:43 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : JOEL MCCLAIN Subject: (R) Misc. Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Joel! Yes, the many excavations down in Central Mexico and South America are on the NAZCA plains, around the temples and various other places such as Macchu Piccu...there is much material on these peculiar evidences of past civilization...probably best known researcher is Von Daniken, though there are others. As to Orgone, the Reich Museum is still very much active out in Rangeley, Maine and sells almost all of his books, newsletters and publications...I don't think they are listed in the CONTACT file but they should be, the more people who have access to such information, the sooner we will see something useful...(you watchin' Chuck?)... And the uses of ELF are legend...I have several dozen papers and/or documents on ELF, how to generate, what to do with it, etc...as well as the many conspiracy type theories of woodpecker signal bombardment....both Bearden and Puharich were heavy into this field many years ago as was Michrowski of P.A.C.E. in Canada...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4315 DATE/TIME: 01/15/94 16:31 From : JOEL MCCLAIN -- RECEIVED -- To : BILL BEATY Subject: Artificial Superconductor Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bill, I want to thank you for leaving that, in my opinion, brilliant circuit and description in the public mail. The manner in which the sensors switch on as the magnet approaches, then off as a result of the coil's field, then back on, etc. to me shows that a resonance is being established, causing the particle spins to slow down, and a net repulsive force to be created, aka the Bloch Wall. The distance of the magnet is related to the tensor field created by the quadrupole forces of electricity (coil) and magnetism (bar magnet), which is another definition of gravity, except under circuit control. I believe that much more could be done with your circuit, and would appreciate it greatly if you could get me a hand-drawn schematic of facsimile to work with. Thank you. Joel McClain =============================================================================== Message 4318 DATE/TIME: 01/15/94 20:21 From : TERRY BASTIAN -- RECEIVED -- To : BILL BEATY Subject: (R) Time Dialation Experiments Folder : A, "Public Mail" The long wire idea or the self insulated coil idea you mention is very similar to an inventor "Joesph Neuman" and his operating theory on his free nrg machine......He started his pulse and then swapped connections before the inpulse reached the other end of the wire to recharge and use the energy when the system was tunned properly....... Look in the May 1987 edition of Discover magazine for his explnation.. A company called Tikon Industries in Seattle I believe is trying to market the idea...All Source Digest, 2318 2nd Ave. #12, Seattle, Wa 98121.....John Ecklin of the magnetic motor fame also works with them. ............................... Continue the Quest For Knowledge!!! Terry =============================================================================== Message 4319 DATE/TIME: 01/15/94 20:57 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : BILL BEATY Subject: (R) Keely motor Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bill! Geezers, Mr. Wilson, now who could that "K" possibly be...lessee, the motors used sound, would only operate in the presence of "K" and some degree of geometry was involved....could it be Pavlita?...Naw....hmm, let me think about it.... >>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4320 DATE/TIME: 01/15/94 20:59 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : BILL BEATY Subject: (R) artificial scm Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bill! Yep, they are just magnetic repulsion, but neat toys just the same....the circuit used to set the height is interesting as a PWM (proportional width modulator)....that has other uses...might be a useful file for folks who like to play with 'tronics..>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4321 DATE/TIME: 01/15/94 21:01 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : GLENDA STOCKS Subject: (R) Comment Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Glenda! Yes, we have that letter on here, given to us by a friend (a schoolteacher no less)....called WATKINS1.ZIP if you want a copy of it....but Leslie Watkins says much of it was taken from news reports and extrapolations and outright fiction added...those are the things that seemed to upset someone...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4322 DATE/TIME: 01/15/94 21:03 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : TERRY BASTIAN Subject: (R) Time Dialation Experiments Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Terry! Yes, Joe Newman is again in the news as of 1993 and several files are here regarding his ideas of gyroscopic force to produce power....>>> Jerry ...just looked them up and they span NEWMAN1 through NEWMAN6 either ...as .ASC or .ZIP extensions....>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4323 DATE/TIME: 01/16/94 00:53 From : DAN LOHR -- RECEIVED -- To : ROD FREDLUND Subject: (R) ESSIAC Folder : A, "Public Mail" Not being allowed to try alternative cancer treatments? That's a joke. Its a shame that people have been brainwashed into buying into the lie. Most any person who has cancer has a better chance of survival if they did nothing than submit their bodies to the medical doctors, who themselves are brainwashed into believing a lie. =============================================================================== Message 4324 DATE/TIME: 01/16/94 01:03 From : DAN LOHR -- RECEIVED -- To : BOB PADDOCK Subject: your health concerns Folder : A, "Public Mail" Bob, my name is Dan Lohr, I am presently an intern chiropractor. I am familiar with ankylosing spondylitis, the problem may or may not be in the spine. Drop a note if you, or anyone else, would like more information on natural healing techniques for this specifically, or anything else. =============================================================================== Message 4325 DATE/TIME: 01/16/94 05:27 From : CARLOS TEIXEIRA -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: (R) << Greetings from RIO! >> Folder : A, "Public Mail" -| Hi Carlos! And welcome to KeelyNet! Perhaps you know Jorges -| Resines in Brasil? I don't remember the city....>>> Jerry Good morning, Jerry: Yeas, I've heard of Jorges, but I also don't remember his city. Do you want me to search for him? On service, - c.a.t. =============================================================================== Message 4327 DATE/TIME: 01/16/94 07:05 From : NORMAN WOOTAN To : ALL Subject: Stirling Cycle Heat Motor Folder : A, "Public Mail" Jerry: Since I have built several of these Stirling Cycle Heat Motors I have an extensive file on them. Would you like me to bring some info and construction details to the next meeting?? Yes they con operate on fairly temperatures such as solar. When they are operated at lower temperatures the motor is sealed, evacuated and filled with helium gas to provide a better expansion/contraction ratio due to a tigh temperature change. The Germanshad one running a large bus that used helium as the expansion gas and it featured a constant combustion source for it's heat. It worked and was more efficient than a regular deisel engine due to the constant combustion process. The project died off kike all fuel saving ideas. Norm =============================================================================== Message 4329 DATE/TIME: 01/16/94 10:50 From : JOEL MCCLAIN To : ALL Subject: Unified Theory Folder : A, "Public Mail" If NEN or any other group is planning to announce the "arrival" of a unifying theory for classical and quantum physics, I hope that they acknowledge the contributions of both Russell and Cathie, who both have done so in the past. Both theories are based upon electron mass, and as such, provide a firm mathematical basis for 144 possible elements in eighteen groups of eight octaves each. If they are correct, then ZPE exists, and is predictable based upon mass aggregate resonance, as demonstrated by Keely and Tesla, as well as many others. Hopefully, the information will be fully accepted into mainstream physics, as the basis for future technical advances. I think that the proof is in the tasting, as they say, and Russell was successful in applying his theory to a free energy device, as reported in the proceedings of the 1993 U.S. Psychotronic Assn. Conference. I, for one, intend to obtain and read the NEN Feb. bulletin! CUL Joel =============================================================================== Message 4332 DATE/TIME: 01/16/94 12:35 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) To : CARLOS TEIXEIRA Subject: (R) << Greetings from RIO! >> Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Carlos! No, I have his address somewhere around here, just never wrote to him. Met him at a conference and we spent a whole day together talking about various subjects....a very interesting fellow....thanks anyway, if you are into Free energy and things of that nature, it might pay to look him up....will see if I can find his address...haven't seen much about him over the past year though...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4333 DATE/TIME: 01/16/94 12:37 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) To : CARLOS TEIXEIRA Subject: (R) << TV Brainwashing >> Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Carlos! Sounds like a good file....the EEGs of folks watching TV has shown they all go into a alpha state within about 2 to 5 minutes after sitting down. That is part of the hook...I don't think it is anything INTENTIONAL...just an artefact of scan/retrace at a certain frequency....what do they call TV? ah yes, the OPIATE of the masses...keep em' amused and they won't even try to think for themselves....>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4334 DATE/TIME: 01/16/94 12:39 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN Subject: (R) Stirling Cycle Heat Motor Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Norm! Yes, will trade out the construction details...these are from some company who is promoting the idea, but it looks very simple (parts list included) to build....>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4335 DATE/TIME: 01/16/94 12:40 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : STEVE GANTT Subject: (R) Comment Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Steve! Sorry to hear of your problems and I heard something about folks who could not get through to High Science...OK, I will remove the header until you get it all back together....take care of yourself FIRST, then the "toys"...hehehehe...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4336 DATE/TIME: 01/16/94 12:41 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) To : PAUL SEBEK Subject: (R) help Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Paul! Sorry I spooked you, I saw you were trying to get some of the files and they were misspelled, so it's easier to drop in and type it in for you without all the chat function....hope you enjoy the files...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4337 DATE/TIME: 01/16/94 12:44 From : JOEL MCCLAIN To : ALL Subject: Dallas Morning News, 1/16/94 Folder : A, "Public Mail" For any who download LEVITAT1.ASC, there is additional "recommended reading" on the front page of the *NEWS* travel section today about Mt. Shasta in Northern California. Quotes from visitors include the phrases "power vortex" and "evidence of UFOs landing". You have to soer through some "new age" mumbo-jumbo, but the science is there...well, after all, our ancestors worshipped fire, when they were still unclear on the principles, so I'll go easy on the "new age". Point being, there is a major grid location there, aka Bloch Wall, and the "effects" draw quite a few visitors. CUL Joel =============================================================================== Message 4338 DATE/TIME: 01/16/94 15:03 From : JIM SHAFFER -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: (R) Zhirinosky Folder : A, "Public Mail" The latest development I've heard is that Yeltsin has banned several psychics from appearing on TV because he says they made people vote for Zhirinovski. Just when you thought it couldn't get weirder... =============================================================================== Message 4339 DATE/TIME: 01/16/94 15:06 From : JIM SHAFFER -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN Subject: (R) Information Release Folder : A, "Public Mail" Sounds like several things are coming together at once. A congressman from New Mexico has launched an investigation into the Roswell UFO crash, in case you haven't heard. Also I heard a brief mention somewhere that Hoagland expects some sort of announcement on February 4th, but you know how that sort of thing always goes. =============================================================================== Message 4340 DATE/TIME: 01/16/94 16:16 From : BOB ALDRICH -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: (R) hey Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Jerry, Hey, you're welcome on the HCL win.. I just did what it said to do in YOUR file! You ought to read some of them sometime! Bob =============================================================================== Message 4344 DATE/TIME: 01/16/94 20:05 From : NORMAN WOOTAN -- RECEIVED -- To : JOEL MCCLAIN Subject: Information Release Folder : A, "Public Mail" Joel: In my message #4291 I stated that NEN was invited to the press release since they are publishers. I would guess that all media is invited but we do not know yet who is holding the press conference, what universities are involved, location etc???????????? We'll just have to await more info when it is released. I wanted to alert all of you out there that something is going down soon so keep the ears and eyes open and alert. Can you imagine the stone face status quo types going into orbit when they are told that free energy is possible, you just have to acept the idea that we are dealing with an open system and not a closed system as we were told in the old school. HA! HA! We knew it all along didn't we but were called crack-pots along with all the greats that have gone before us. I really like the company I keep (with all of you other crack-pots) Ha! Ha! In message #4306 I was just speculating as to what might be announced. I really don't know any more than any of you out there. If anyone hears anything please post it to the board since we have everyone's interest up. Norm =============================================================================== Message 4345 DATE/TIME: 01/16/94 21:02 From : JOEL MCCLAIN -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN Subject: (R) Information Release Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Norm, RIGHT YOU ARE!!! Let's hope for the "main event" to unify us, not to mention VALIDATE our beliefs, and soon. I'm with you 1000%, dude. CUL Joel =============================================================================== Message 4346 DATE/TIME: 01/16/94 21:05 From : JOEL MCCLAIN To : ALL Subject: Bush Visit to China Folder : A, "Public Mail" While Clinton is on the front pages shaking hands with Ivan, Bush is in China on page 26. Since we announced that we plan to protect America from the threat of cheap clothes, instead of from the threat of Korean nukes, there must be some fence-mending required. Go figure! I can't. =============================================================================== Message 4347 DATE/TIME: 01/16/94 22:02 From : GARY ESPOSITO -- RECEIVED -- To : LEE JONES Subject: (R) Magnetic Motors........ Folder : A, "Public Mail" Lee, What about Geothermal Energy? That's a tremendous energy source. Just think, about five feet below ground level it's about 54 to 56 degres F.. Now if you could bring that heat up to heat your house....... Heating from 54 degrees is a lot better than heating from the serface temp....... Magnetic Motors are hard to understand....... the feilds are hard to understand when they intereact....... but, nothing comes easy. later On, Gary =============================================================================== Message 4348 DATE/TIME: 01/16/94 22:59 From : ANDREAS KAUPERT -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN Subject: Stirling pump/engine Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Norman! I was the one who sent the plans to Jerry Decker about the liquid piston pump. I read that you have more info than what is available from the vendor on this item. Is there a possibility in getting some of this info as I am very interseted in building one of these for powwer generation and other uses. I would apprieciate any help you could offer. Thank you! =============================================================================== Message 4352 DATE/TIME: 01/17/94 01:43 From : ERIC BLANKENBURG -- RECEIVED -- To : BILL BEATY Subject: (R) Time Dialation Experiments Folder : A, "Public Mail" I've worked with "original" Accutron watches. THE ORIGINAL TIME KEEPPING CIRCUIT WAS A SMALL TUNING FORK ACTIVATED BY DUAL COILS. ALTHOUGH THESE WATCHES WERE ACCURATE FOR THEIR TIME, THE ACCURACY COULD BE EASILY AFFECTED BY JUST LAYING THE WATCH DOWN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.NOT TO THE EXTENT REPORTED BY THE ORIGINAL EXPERIMENTER, BUT SIGNIFICANTLY-SECONDS A DAY. IT SEEMS POSSIBLE TO AFFECT THE ACCURACY WITH A SPINNING FERROUS DISC DUE TO GENERATED EMF ALTERING THE FIELD OF THE COILS ENERGIZING THE TUNING FORK,CHANGING THE FREQUENCY OF THE FORK THEREBY SLOWING OR SPEEDING THE HANDS OF THE WATCH. "NEW" ACCUTRONS ARE REGULATED BY QUARTZ CRYSTAL TIMING A STEPPING MOTOR AND WOULD NOT SEEM TO BE AFFECTED. cc: Bert Pool =============================================================================== Message 4356 DATE/TIME: 01/17/94 08:14 From : NORMAN WOOTAN -- RECEIVED -- To : ANDREAS KAUPERT Subject: Stirling pump/motor Folder : A, "Public Mail" Andreas: Let me take a look at the info that Jerry has them if my files contain additional info of benefit I will provide same to you. Lindsay Publications offers plans for Stirling Heat Motors that are fairly easy to build. The very efficient designs utilizing helium as a heat transfer media are more complex and require precise machinning. I'll be glad to assist in any way possible. This is very old technology which has been thrashed out through the pages of Popular Mechanics/Science for many years. I'll bet I have seen 100 different variations of this CARNOT principal. Good luck! Norm =============================================================================== Message 4357 DATE/TIME: 01/17/94 08:26 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : JIM SHAFFER Subject: (R) Zhirinosky Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Jim! It's almost as bad over here with they Psychic Network, what a scam.....>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4358 DATE/TIME: 01/17/94 08:26 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : BOB ALDRICH Subject: (R) hey Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bob! Believe me, I read ALL the files at least once before they ever get online....in fact, that one, I typed up from very tiny print....I just did not know there were tablets that you could get so readily...amazing what is available at the health food stores. A lady the other day gave me a flyer on this hepatitis B thing...about the doctor who cured himself and what he used, I believe it is thymoxin or something like that and it is off the shelf...will type it up for a file...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4365 DATE/TIME: 01/17/94 09:14 From : NORMAN WOOTAN -- RECEIVED -- To : JOEL MCCLAIN Subject: Peremotr1.asc Folder : A, "Public Mail" Joel: Back in my archieves of papers and energy machine plans I have a complete paper which is very detailed on the Peregrinus Motor. Now the problem is to find same. You guessed it, my filling system is just as screwed up as Jerry's. HA! HA! But we'll overcome these minor obstacles in time. The only problem is finding the time to file everything away in an orderly manner. Maybe we need a wife like Bert who tells Bert he can have his toys and play with them from time to time but he has to keep everything neat and organized. HA! HA! Bert you are very organized by the way. Norm =============================================================================== Message 4366 DATE/TIME: 01/17/94 10:16 From : JOEL MCCLAIN -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN Subject: (R) Peremotr1.asc Folder : A, "Public Mail" Organization? GAWD, that's a dirty word at the McClain Laboratories! Shoe boxes, left over shirt boxes from Christmas, plastic bags from Radio Shack...that's MY filing system. However, I always INTEND to do better! CUL Joel =============================================================================== Message 4368 DATE/TIME: 01/17/94 10:24 From : BOB PADDOCK To : DAN LOHR Subject: (R) your health concerns Folder : A, "Public Mail" Please do tell of any natural techniques... =============================================================================== Message 4369 DATE/TIME: 01/17/94 10:25 From : BOB PADDOCK To : ALL Subject: Coax Noise Folder : A, "Public Mail" | | Here is a tid-bit to keep in mind when playing with | long rolls of Coax: | | Triboelectric noise is defined as that component of | electrical noise which is generated in a coaxial cable by | mechanical stress [Some thing as small as a temperature | change]. The term triboelectricty describes both the | contact and frictional electrification that takes place | between two solids in contact. In addition to flexing, | vibration, twisting, and impact, other potential sources of | noise can be piezoelectric effects in the dielectric and | capacitance variation in the cable. Triboelectric noise | becomes very important in shielded cable used as the signal | path between high output impedance to high input impedance | devices, such as microphones, pressure transducers and | accelerometers. | | Wires and cables, besides generating internal | noise, can act like antennas, picking up external noise | from the environment. | =============================================================================== Message 4370 DATE/TIME: 01/17/94 11:59 From : JOEL MCCLAIN To : ALL Subject: Peregrinus Magnets Folder : A, "Public Mail" The magnets used by Peregrinus are bar magnets, with N-S poles on the ends. If anyone is planning to build the motor, the orientation of the magnets is, with the disks as shown in the drawing: TDC large disk, going CW: NS, SN, NS, SN, NS, SN, NS, SN TDC left disk, going CW: SN, NS, SN, NS TDC right disk, going CW: same as left disk. The large disk must be counterrotated 22.5 degrees to place the magnets in the alternate push/pull fields, and the unbalancer should be at 45 degrees relative to the axis of the large disk. Couldn't get all of this into the drawing, but if you have any trouble with it, just "paper model" it, as I did, and it becomes clearer. Joel cc: Jerry Decker =============================================================================== Message 4372 DATE/TIME: 01/17/94 13:42 From : BERT POOL -- RECEIVED -- To : ERIC BLANKENBURG Subject: (R) Time Dialation Experiments Folder : A, "Public Mail" Eric, thank you for the additional info on Accutron watches. I've never been inside of one of these particular watches. I too suspect that the observation was due to induced EMF effects on the two tiny coils. >> Bert cc: Norman Wootan =============================================================================== Message 4373 DATE/TIME: 01/17/94 13:42 From : BERT POOL -- PRIVATE -- -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN (CARBON COPY) Subject: (R) Time Dialation Experiments Folder : A, "Public Mail" NOTE: The following message was originally addressed to ERIC BLANKENBURG and a CARBON COPY was sent to you. -------------------- Eric, thank you for the additional info on Accutron watches. I've never been inside of one of these particular watches. I too suspect that the observation was due to induced EMF effects on the two tiny coils. >> Bert cc: Norman Wootan =============================================================================== Message 4375 DATE/TIME: 01/17/94 15:05 From : BOB ALDRICH -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: (R) hey Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Jerry, I was just pulling your leg on the reading your own files! I don't know why the doctor who wrote that file (HCL) wouldn't mention you could take HCL orally, after all, it is FORMED in the stomach! I actually did mix some with dmso and put it on my skin.. smells like the dickens! I use caplet form, doesn't smell at all.. Anyway, I guess the "big" boys are working on that problem of accessiblility. Next they'll make health foods illegal! Interesting on the hepatitis B, I'll look forward to that file! Did you know about the experiments in Rockdust? Or the theory of ice ages? Apparently the soil becomes de-mineralized and thus plants that convert less oxygen grow on the same soil as time rushes on. Eventually you get a greenhouse effect from so much Co2 and the equator heats up, producing extreme weather patterns between the equator and the poles. This clouds over the planet and you get an ice age. The ice crushes rock and produces very mineral-rich water, which then remineralizes the soil and you get again oxygen-converting (large leafy) plants and again you get good weather and the cessation of the ice-age. Experiments have been being done in farming communities with rockdust, blowing it over the farm, and results are astounding.. plants TWICE the size in some instances, and totally healthy, with no need for pesticides or fertilizers! I will upload you some files on this soon, due to the earthquake here today, my home bbs computer is down, but will be back up when I get home.. Bob =============================================================================== Message 4377 DATE/TIME: 01/17/94 15:55 From : STEVE ELDREDGE -- RECEIVED -- To : BERT POOL Subject: video tape Folder : A, "Public Mail" Bert, It's been a long time since I have talked to you. Do you remember video taping our tesla coil? I never got to get the tape from you and I was wondering if you still have it. I haven't recieved any communication from you concerning the tesla coil meetings. Are you still involved with the group or have they disbanded? I don't logon to this board very often so please contact me by phone. Dave is also curious what you are up to. please call him as well. Thank You, Steve Eldredge =============================================================================== Message 4378 DATE/TIME: 01/17/94 16:05 From : STEVE ELDREDGE -- RECEIVED -- To : DAVID CHAPA Subject: tesla coil video Folder : A, "Public Mail" Dave, I left a message for Bert concerning the video we never got to see. I know that you gave him two blank tapes to make copies but I never heard anything more from him. Have you been to any tesla coil meetings or did they just dry up and blow away. Just Curious! If you find out anything please let me know. Thank You, Steve Eldredge =============================================================================== Message 4379 DATE/TIME: 01/17/94 16:37 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : JOEL MCCLAIN Subject: (R) Peregrinus Magnets Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Joel! I can edit the drawing to include all that, I think....would make it much clearer...thanks for the additional details...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4381 DATE/TIME: 01/17/94 16:41 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : BOB ALDRICH Subject: (R) hey Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bob! Never heard of this rockdust thing...though it kind of sounds like Rudolph Steiner with the use of cow dung that had been placed in cow horn and buried for several days...somehow it converts to this super-rich fertilizer and when mixed with water and sprayed over sandy or worn out soil, and left alone, the soil will convert to a very rich dark soil from 3 to 6 feet deep....they have been reclaiming vast areas of soil for farming in Australia using this principle....I know it sounds spooky with the horn and it must be buried at new moon or something like that, but IT WORKS!....I might have some info on that somewhere around here...Steiner was a very bizarre character and got his information from "outside", paranormal type sources...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4385 DATE/TIME: 01/17/94 20:34 From : NORMAN WOOTAN -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: Neutral Spike/Dream Folder : A, "Public Mail" Jerry: After pondering you message on the "DREAM" I went back and reviewed the Rogers Underground Transmitter and now realize that tour dream has much more substance to it than you realize. Somewhere,(Bert and others involved with Tesla coils can help here) I read an article relating to the earth ground system for ZPE tapping should be a verticle ground rod with many radials as possible radiating out from the central ground as possible. I can't remember where I read this configuration for the ground. The most puzzleing thing that most electricians dont even question is the fact that on conventional single phase power distribution in all applications you are allowed (by code) to run multible hot legs for each neutral leg in the conduit. If I run 3 hot legs handling 20 amps each with one neutral, all wire of the same size how can the one, let's say 12 Ga. wire provide a sufficient return for 3 legs carrying 20 amps each. This is allowed by code and the neutral does not get hot. ?????????????????????? There is a lot more to the Neutral or earth source theory than meets the eye. If the key is in tapping energy directly from iron (4 free electrons in M shell) then would'nt it be correct to bury long rails of iron in the ground in a radial fashion from the central ground shaft. I know your dream was about a sort of railroad track that we were burying in an earth cut, but this is close. Have you ever thought about how the return path is formed back to a generating plant that is let's say producing 100 Megawatts of power. Please review the problems that are occuring up in dairy land USA Wisconsin, Michigan and other mid-western states where cattle are electrocuted in the pastures under high tention lines because of faulty ground return provisions. This is a real big story up in the milk producing states. Let's be thinking in reverse here for I still believe the earth and it's iron content is the ultimate source of power with all of our wires providing the return path much like Tesla's elevated capacitance being the airel sink. More though and research is in order here. Your Friend Norm =============================================================================== Message 4391 DATE/TIME: 01/18/94 12:16 From : JOEL MCCLAIN To : ALL Subject: Jack Van Impe and Rexanna Folder : A, "Public Mail" OK, after the talk about the "Elipton" and the psychics banned from Russian TV, I was curious enuff to stay up after midnight watching this guy and his trained sidekick. For those who may have missed it, he explained the Taos hum, which of course is being heard all over the world now, as "earth and nature groaning" in anticipation of armageddon, 'cause we're all such meanies!!! How can such a genius be relegated to the midnight slot? CUL Joel =============================================================================== Message 4392 DATE/TIME: 01/18/94 15:23 From : JOEL MCCLAIN -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN Subject: Elec. Wiring Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Norm, I've been thinking about the multiple hot vs. single neutral wires per code, and at first, it didn't make sense, so help me with this. Now, according to electron theory, current is the same at any point in a series, so it would seem reasonable that three 20 amp lines at capacity would fry the hecck out of a single neutral return line. But, if the neutral is connected to ground, and that seems to vary from state to state, then the conduit and ultimately a cold water pipe add to the return path. So, if the neutral is NOT grounded then you have a really bad potential safety hazard, unless there is a neutral for each hot wire. Also, if there are several hots per neutral, then the cap. discharges from compressors, and the inductive kicks from motors will afect other appliances, too, unless therûe is a fairly hard ground in the wall outlet. Not to mention the possibility of "hot" chassis on anything plugged into a socket where neutral isn't grounded. I think you're right on here, and there may not be consistency in the wiring codes, which concerns anyone who plugs a computer into a socket! The return is theoritacally infinite, asfar as code goes, but I've seen nine foot long copper rods driven into the earth to stop "kicks" from wiping out chips, especially around medical equipment. More thought needed here, and a refill on the pipe... CUL Joel =============================================================================== Message 4397 DATE/TIME: 01/18/94 21:37 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN Subject: (R) Neutral Spike/Dream Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Norm! You know, there is also something called ElectroCulture, referring to the use of electrical currents to stimulate plant growth. It has been successfully used to prevent plants from freezing (in lieu of smudge pots), supposed to kill insects and make the crops grow bigger. There are several systems, but one uses just such a radial arm method, fed from a central source.....in fact, I have seen a diagram where there was NO POWER involved, it simply had a stake for the central source, with the arms radiating out over the plants (where the wires were suspended in the air like antenna)... Using your line of reasoning that some kind of energy must be flowing, then that would make a synthetic capacitor with the air as the dielectric and the plants as caught within that medium....thus it would appear the medium is being pumped up to that of whatever the potential was within the earth at that point. Several of the free energy devices seem to indicate a locality property, i.e. they work well in one part of the country, but when the same machine is moved to somewhere else, the performance suffers????? Thereby indicating some kind of variation in the ambient medium (aether?, earth currents, cosmic rays??). Anyway, Moray also required very long wire antennas to get his machine to operate properly, and his machine produced major power....perhaps this is a proper track for investigation....I remember Shine Richards up in Colorado also commented on the ability of very long wires strung down a mountainside to pick up many frequencies...like the old timey radios....he had this wire hooked to a spectrum analyzer and you could clearly see the Schumann peaks...very interesting...where there is frequency, there is power...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4401 DATE/TIME: 01/18/94 21:53 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : MICHAEL LORREY Subject: (R) User directory Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Michael! Yes, such a compendium would be most useful, especially if sorted by type of research...you know, Gravity, Free Energy, Health, etc....I never heard of this Alfazon and had to remove the User Scan function because it was eating up my hard disk from the excessive scans...some folks would do it two or three times a week!!! Anyway, there is responsible behavior and then there is RESPONSIBLE behavior an I ain't rich enough to replace a hard disk every few months.... But we have been most fortunate as to equipment stability...later...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4402 DATE/TIME: 01/19/94 00:31 From : GERALD O'DOCHARTY -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: Rock Dust Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Jerry! The rock dust action you described correlates with something I read in a book titled "Ancient Mysteries, Modern Visions - The magnetic life of agriculture" by Philip S. Callahan. He describes the importance of the magnetic qualities of rock and clay on living things. The thing about the clay though is that it needs to be "first generation", that is, not something you dredge up from the bottom of a sedimentary deposit, but rather the freshly eroded rock from mountains, especially igneous rock. Igneous rock frequently contains quartz by the way. His book also talks about pyamids, round towers, and aura detectors etc. A glacier does just that - it specifically erodes mountains down very efficiently. I grew up in Alaska where you would think the farming would be very poor due to extremly short growing season. But some of the things they do grow there attain HUGE size. 'Course everthing's bigger in Alaska come to think of it... HaHa! -Gerald =============================================================================== Message 4405 DATE/TIME: 01/19/94 09:15 From : NORMAN WOOTAN -- PRIVATE -- -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: Information Overload Folder : A, "Public Mail" Jerry: With all that is going on sometimes I feel that we can't keep up with the various subjects and really do each issue justic by way of serious thought and response via the Keely-Net. I think you do an admirable job just keeping up and giving timely responses to all who log in and make comments. I have a large amount of info for the meeting and hope to bring an example of the Tesla Turbine to the meeting. I hope everyone is entertained for sometimes I feel that we are putting on a good info-showand tell all for the price of a meal. You couldn't get that much anywhere at twice the price. Ha! Ha! See you at the meeting. Norm PS. Could you bring Turtle Beach????? =============================================================================== Message 4408 DATE/TIME: 01/19/94 10:40 From : JOEL MCCLAIN -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: (R) Neutral Spike/Dream Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Jerry, I remember an elec. engineer in Florida who was able to use rods of various wavelength to capture radio signals directly, with the lengths corresponding to frequency ranges. The signals were rectified and used as a DC power source. However, the power out surpassed the individual inputs from the rods collectively, and he always suspected that the ground rod was in some way causing that anomaly. I think this adds some additional weight to Norm's theory...the engineer never figured it out, but maybe Norm has the key. CUL Joel =============================================================================== Message 4410 DATE/TIME: 01/19/94 11:33 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : GERALD O'DOCHARTY Subject: (R) Rock Dust Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Gerald! Yes, I am very familiar with Callahans work and it is "simply mahvelous"....he is onto lots of good stuff that has applications in many areas, especially ecology....someday, perhaps, it would be nice to go to the ACRES conference to hear him speak...we have spoken on the phone as he lives in Florida, but I never had the opportunity to meet him in the flesh....>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4413 DATE/TIME: 01/19/94 15:42 From : LEE JONES To : GARY ESPOSITO Subject: (R) Magnetic Motors........ Folder : A, "Public Mail" Five feet below the ground? HA!!! Our frost line is at that depth at the moment and it ISN'T much above freezing there. See my message Challenge in the message base and file section.. =============================================================================== Message 4414 DATE/TIME: 01/19/94 15:43 From : LEE JONES To : ALL Subject: COLD!!!!! Folder : A, "Public Mail" ---< The Challenge >--- Ok, Here it is: Last nite the temperature dropped to -45 deg.F here in Minnessota. It was so cold that even the dog wouldn't go out and, I don't blame him. Our furnace is burning fuel oil like a freight train, our fuel bill is approaching the level of the national debt. We need somebody to come up with a way to convert h2o (water) in it's components and burn them to produce plain simple heat! Nothing as fancy as cold fusion or other pipe dream stuff but just a way that we can keep warm. I personally have four solar electric panels and a windmill and can reasonably expect to provide about 50 WATTS, 24 hours a day year round. So that's the limit of consumption for the device that you'all can design. I have an unlimited supply of water and it would be nice if the device would be able to fit into the old oil burner furnace so things would be kept simple. KeelyNet has a couple of good designs for efficient electronic water splitters but there's not enough info for a dummy like me to build. What I need is a REAL schematic with a parts list and any other info that's needed to actually construct such a device. Another thing that needs to be considered is: How much heat can be obtained from the amount of hydrogen/oxygen that can be produced from the most efficient water splitter at 50 Watts?? I'm not asking for "free energy" just a way for us to stay warm without having to consume nasty old dinosaur squeezins, while polluting the air in the process. As far as the problem of embrittlement in the burner goes, I'd say that a ceramic burner could be constructed by any potter with a kiln. The gases produced by combustion could probably be put to use in a greenhouse and anything that condensed in the stack could be used there as well as being consumed as drinking water. If any of you geniuses can come up with an idea or such for this, please just upload it to this BBS. Thanx for any help with this. Yours truly, Frozen in Minnessota... =============================================================================== Message 4416 DATE/TIME: 01/19/94 19:42 From : MARK GRAALMAN -- RECEIVED -- To : BERT POOL Subject: direction of current flow Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hello Bert, I got your letter today, I won't go into great detail but I think you'll find that all the led's light at the same time. Also, because the LED's take a certain amount of time to light, it may be better to use a higher level of current and place Hall-effect switches in the th and monitor the magnetic pulses. Anyway, sorry to hear about your coil! check out the files, and look for "Teslac.zip" its a Tesla coil design prog I wrote and you may find it helpful See ya, Mark Graalman 5004 South ave. Toledo, Ohio 43615 =============================================================================== Message 4417 DATE/TIME: 01/19/94 20:02 From : MARK GRAALMAN -- RECEIVED -- To : BERT POOL Subject: Re: Upload of TESLAC Folder : A, "Public Mail" Bert, try out this program and let me know what you think also any of your friends are welcomed to use it. I'm interested in getting any and all feedback pertaining to it. this BBS is long distance for me so I can't check in too often, but if you or your friends have access to compuserve, they can leave me E-mail my # is 71612,1234 Thanks, Mark Graalman TCBA # 1399 5004 South Ave. Toledo, Ohio 43615-6429 =============================================================================== Message 4419 DATE/TIME: 01/19/94 21:33 From : STEPHEN ROSENTHAL -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN Subject: (R) Stirling Cycle Heat Motor Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Norm, I would be interested in the info you have on the Stirling Engine. Have an info pack from a "Stirling Technology, Inc. got a couple of years back who was marketing a 5hp Stirling for a little under $3,000, don't know if they ever sold many or are still in business. Anyhow I have a solar furnace build aftter the fashion of the one outlined in Mother Earth News long ago, build around 12'x12' mirror tiles. Works quite well, have a motor I converted to steam that runs a 4kw alternator. Always thought a Stirling would be more efficient and quieter, but never knew where I could get one for a reasonable price and never seen any plans for one like you mention. Anyhow let me know, I can give you a fax number maybe or send you a few bucks or something for copies and postage. Steve Rosenthal =============================================================================== Message 4420 DATE/TIME: 01/19/94 21:46 From : STEPHEN ROSENTHAL To : ALL Subject: Free Energy Folder : A, "Public Mail" Jerry, I agree with the premise which you purport, but if those who are now in control of the energy sources used by our world would have the perception they are threatened, how will they react? I hope that you have a way to insure that the sort of knowledge of free energy for which we quest, is made public domain. I am sure you read the Tesla Society publication, and they were giving example of first how hard it is to get a meaningful patent, and second how hard it is in this country to defend a patent infringement. I am not given to pessimism, just interested in your ideas. cc: Jerry Decker =============================================================================== Message 4422 DATE/TIME: 01/19/94 23:33 From : BOB ALDRICH -- RECEIVED -- To : DENNIS BARFOOT Subject: (R) efficient batteries Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Dennis, Your mention of this batterie reminds me of a story I heard from an engineer friend of mine. He knew a fellow who build a large capacitor. It was a large container that was super-cooled with liquid nitrogen. In the center of this was a connector like a large, silver (made of silver) leaf. Into this was pumped electricity for some months. Eventually, the container became heavier, and if you shook irt it, it tended to "slosh" as if filled with a liquid. I believe that the story ended that somehow it blew up.. perhaps someone pulled the plug and it warmed up. can't recall at the moment, but if anyone is interested I can re-contact the engineer. But seems to be liquid electricity. Bob Aldrich =============================================================================== Message 4423 DATE/TIME: 01/19/94 23:39 From : BOB ALDRICH To : DAN LOHR Subject: Rheumatoid Arthritis, Cure? Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Dan, I have a very dear friend who has had Rheumatoid Arthritis for some years. She is a very valuable person but is unable to work a normal work schedule due to this problem. Can you offer any advice? She is on the drug which reduces inflammation. She has been trying to find a way to introduce more calcium into the body, as indications are that she is low on this mineral. She has begun Rife treatments on herself, but after several treatments, no result as yet. I have been trying to get her to realize the importance of detoxifying but not sure if she hears me.. Any advice would be appreciated. Bob =============================================================================== Message 4424 DATE/TIME: 01/19/94 23:48 From : BOB ALDRICH -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: (R) hey Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Jerry, I originally heard of this rockdust thing in a book and video called "The End". About the end of life as we know it due to the approach of an ice age. Some of the indications from that video and book seem to be happening, like unusual weather patterns etc. He said I believe that lake bed samples show that there has been an ice age every 100,000 years for some time, and the next one is overdue. He said that they arrive suddenly, within a few years.. He said that the solution is to remineralize the soil before we use up all the oxygen, which has been lowered from 38% 200 years ago to 19% presently. (six percent in some large cities like Detroit I believe) Kind of scary, if you think about it! But the solution is simple, according to him. Just remineralize! Bob =============================================================================== Message 4428 DATE/TIME: 01/20/94 05:57 From : WESLEY PRICE To : ALL Subject: soil remineralization Folder : A, "Public Mail" just ul'd remin1.zip and remin2.zip articles on the marvelous effcts on soil remineralization.. mostly about plnts but there is some info about humans too.. we need minerals as much as plants.. and we're not getting them in our diets.. later Wesley =============================================================================== Message 4433 DATE/TIME: 01/20/94 09:57 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : STEPHEN ROSENTHAL Subject: (R) Free Energy Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Stephen! That is the beauty of open communications, not only with paper to various friends and other networkers but also networking with computers....the information can go very far, very fast if everyone can just get over that hump of wanting to get incredibly rich. Personally, I would gladly support a shareware plan/set for an FE device or anti-grav or a healing technology....I think that is the way to support most alternative science research....people will pay for what they can USE....>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4434 DATE/TIME: 01/20/94 10:00 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : BOB ALDRICH Subject: (R) efficient batteries Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bob! Interesting comment...at least one of the old airship contacts (circa 1897) claimed they used water to produce "liquid electricity" which was a very efficient means of storing power...no details were given....hhhhmmmmmm.....>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4438 DATE/TIME: 01/20/94 10:05 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : MARK GRAALMAN Subject: (R) Comment Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Mark! Yes, uploads go into the upload section and are not generally available....hold and I will check to see if it "arrived"... back again, yes, it seems to have arrived, something like 36KB...you can always check by asking for new files and it should show up even on the same call....thanks for the program, will inspect it....I usually am wary of programs because of virii....and so prefer text files with useful information...but will scan and review...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4446 DATE/TIME: 01/20/94 15:41 From : GERALD O'DOCHARTY -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: electroculture Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Jerry! This reminded me of an experiment I did many years ago and I had to dig up my notes on it. I often do experiments that combine several elements in a combination of techniques just to look for anomalies. This one had just about everything in it. I also use plants often as sensitive detectors. So inthis experiment I had a couple of plants in a hydroponic setup feeding off of pure chemical nutrient and artificial grow lights. Now the setup I was testing was very unusual and a little diificult to describe but here goes. Over the plants and on top of the 4 foot flourescent light fixture was part of the apparatus. It had two 10" tube frame octahedrons at either end of a 30" aluminum rod. in between there was a 1.5" dia. x 10" long coil of many turns fine wire. Over the center there was a 24" aluminum tube frame pyramid. At one side of all this there was a cross shaped terminal connected to the ground side of an automotive ignition coil by a long wire. at the other side was the ignition coil with a special combination spherical and ring terminal at the end of a aluminum rod plugged into the high voltage output terminal of the ignition coil. The two low voltage connections on the ignition coil were connected to a 6 volt unregulated dc wall type power supply, which had a 60 hz. ripple. Now, under the plant's hydroponic unit were two 10 lb. alnico horseshoe magnets (from a big magnetron) facing each other in repel orientation. The south poles were on top and the north poles on bottom. With the apparatus in place and power on the well grown plants developed a strange alteration of the main stalk growth. Both plants continued to grow with this deformation which was that the stalk thickness doubled in the new growth area over a period of time. When I removed the apparatus the stalk growth returned to its normal thickness as before the experiment. I had to use the aparatus for other experiments and disassembled it before I could isolate the specific component that caused this growth anomalie, but it was very impressive to me and maybe bears further investigation. What do you think? -Gerald =============================================================================== Message 4448 DATE/TIME: 01/20/94 23:01 From : JOEL MCCLAIN To : ALL Subject: SWEET1.ASC Folder : A, "Public Mail" This file is my favorite for reference on all things scalar, and it is a very professionally done paper. If anyone besides me is looking for an excellent intro or review of the principles, I'd suggest looking it up. Joel =============================================================================== Message 4450 DATE/TIME: 01/21/94 02:36 From : WILL PERSON To : ALL Subject: Overcommers Folder : A, "Public Mail" I saw a news bit on Channel 4 News Thursday 20 about a group pf people called the overcommers. They are traveling around the country and are appearing here in Addison on Friday and Dallas on Saturday, (I believe). Supposedly, they possess some knowledge relayed to them from the higher order of universal intelligence. Maybe, it's BS, but then again so is the endeavor of much of the redundant knowledge we seek. I'm suprised that no one on several of the science boards in Dallas knows anything of it. But then again, it could be hype. There is another work of knowledge which relates to the universal order that I've not seen mentioned, it is called the Urantia. Not publicized or openly marketed, but available through larger bookstores at a cost only basis; The Urantia Book. =============================================================================== Message 4451 DATE/TIME: 01/21/94 09:54 From : NORMAN WOOTAN -- PRIVATE -- -- RECEIVED -- To : Jerry Decker (SYSOP) Subject: Comment Folder : Z, "Comments to the Sysop" Jerry: Seems as though we have created a monster, so now how do we deal with the problem. You know that I am referring to the attendance at the Vangard meetings. I is going to grow exponientially unless we do something. Kind of tells you that people thirst for info and knowledge as to the future of everything,especially energy. I know this attendance thing is bugging you so let's talk about a solution. Norm =============================================================================== Message 4453 DATE/TIME: 01/21/94 10:55 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) To : ALL Subject: Cathie & Searle Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Folks! Got a short note from Toby Grotz and he says Bruce Cathie will be a guest speaker at this year's IANS conference....in addition to John Searle and John Thomas.....so plan on it, will have all the details online this weekend...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4455 DATE/TIME: 01/21/94 10:58 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : BERT POOL Subject: (R) Mark Graalman's program Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bert! Will put it online this weekend...and probably drop you a note to let you know...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4457 DATE/TIME: 01/21/94 11:00 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : GERALD O'DOCHARTY Subject: (R) electroculture Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Gerald! That is quite bizarre! Reminds me of some DePalmas experiment and I think Rawls/Davis did some similar experiments mostly with monopoles...now, if we could reverse or halt aging or disease, that would be a useful "trick"...<g>... I remember reading a story about a secretary who placed a long and thick bar magnet under her chair...she had gray hair, was well past menopause and had no sex drive whatsoever....a few weeks after this magnet was put under the chair...her hair started getting darker, her blood circulation was up to the point that people commented about her "healthy blush"...and she started menstruating again...with a very healthy sex drive....don't remember where I read that but she was using the South pole that Rawls/Davis investigated...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4459 DATE/TIME: 01/21/94 11:06 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : LEE JONES Subject: (R) Greetz, Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Lee! I agree, they hydrogen is an excellent place to start and I think that stoichiometric mix as per Garrett is the way to go...drive an engine, to run a generator for direct power and/or charging a battery network...then you can have electrical heat or just burn hydrogen....though the efficiencies must be worked out for electrical as opposed to the gas.. You know, there is a file on here somewhere about a fellow who used OIL in a closed set of pipes....he says the oil is circulated like in an old style radiator...and air is blown across the pipes which pulls heat from the hot oil...very efficient, I think he said it cost 15 cents per day to heat his 2 story house....been a long time, but it makes sense as a piece of this hybrid puzzle that we are all working on from different angles...also have the stirling cycle engine that I need to strip and rip up for the board...good luck to you and your buds, I know you folks are having a hard time out in the hinterlands...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4460 DATE/TIME: 01/21/94 11:10 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN Subject: (R) Comment Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Norman! You know, the attendance thing is not the problem for me, it is rather the nature of "drifters" who only come to be entertained essentially for free....and that pisses me off. They take up space from those who we REALLY need on an invitation basis only. And many give absolutely nothing in return, hell, several don't even eat anything and only grudgingly buy a cup of coffee... I am not sticking up for JoJo's, but we do get the room on that basis...I personally don't like large groups, it then devolves into a circus that always leads to the power/ego thing....kind of drifting into something that I had foreseen, but NOT SO FAST in arriving. Seems like some folks have hidden agendas, as to distributing leaflets for their own meetings, then leaving...i.e....they want a group of people already collected who obviously participate to some degree. I am not making this a private message as it should be understood by some who are simply lurkers. I guess it is my fault for not keeping it to invitation only...I know, that is in a way, an archaic, isolationist policy, but there are so many people out there, especially with the New Age or ripoff someone attitude, that I feel something has to change.... So, I am planning to pare down the mailing list and keep the mailers much less "detailed"...so there will be no spreading of the word as to what will be presented beyond simple comments.... The intent on my part was to get together with friends and associates for the exchange of information and group discussion. Did you see the total cost for the papers that were brought by you, Bert and me? Over $13.00 per pack and that is at 5 cents per page....And how many other papers were brought or even offered??? Notice in past meetings, we are the people who provide papers with only a scattering of info from others...I think they have info but are too damn lazy to run off copies or want to keep it to themselves... YE SHALL KNOW THEM BY THEIR WORKS ain't just a cliche...those who share AND participate to some degree are invited, the others I simply don't care about...some have the hidden agenda, some are just information leaches.... Diatribe? No, it has been eating at me for several months now as the group swells and I see how much ACTUAL participation there is in the way of papers...damn little... So, I did promise the two extra hours spread over the next two months...and I am keeping a list of who is active and who just takes a mailer and pops in once per year... It costs me about $400 to $600 per year just to do those mailers and I think it could easily be reduced to participants. I don't mind the money as KeelyNet costs money to run also...but it all does serve a good purpose....you should see how some people download tons of information from here, without anything in return, nothing in the mail, not even a decent message....I see it but just stay quiet...what goes around....<g>....anyway, sorry for the APPARENT diatribe but you brought it up and I am simply clarifying future actions that I will take to bring things back to some degree of normalcy. Last night, there were some really rude and inconsiderate actions by many people...everything can be biased back into a reasonable operating pattern, and so it shall be.... Now, onto a subject of more useful info...Toby dropped a note to me saying Cathie was going to be there??? That should be a hoot, so with Cathie and Searle and John T..we just have to go...how about we drive up in my Bronco...maybe we can get the old fart, McClain to come with us....though he might get too tired...we can make him sleep in the back seat while us youngsters keep up a lively discussion....stuff to do so will probably call you this weekend...I promised Bert I'd put that program on about the Tesla coil...so will do that tonite...later dude...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4462 DATE/TIME: 01/21/94 15:50 From : WOODY MOFFITT -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN Subject: ground connect Folder : E, "Special Associates Area Omega" Hi, Norm. On the subject of ground connections and neutral flows, you may want to ponder the effect of using bifilar pancake coils both to increase effective surface area and to take advantage of the higher voltage capacity in these coils. Simple spiral coils may work as well...either way, the spiral form of the coil allows it to interact with a broader range of Hz in the environment. I can't get out of my mind the examlple from "Homemade Lightning" (a Ford book) which describes the paddle and stone neon light. A wooden paddle (somewhat like an electrophorus) has a spiral coil attached to the base and covered with glass. when the paddle is rubbed over a 5" by 5" or so piece of limestone (the dense variety) for 5 minutes, the paddle retains enough charge to light a small neon tube for HOURS. This was from a German patent of the mid 1930's. Part of the action is derived from the SEMICONDUCTING properties of the limestone, which acts as a high F capacitor, perhaps with high polariztion properties due to its semiconductive nature. Any way you put it, there is a vast amount of ambient charge/voltage waiting to be tapped from simple earth connections. It might interest you to know that some conventional physicists a few years back appeared to demonstrate a mechanism whereby the earth was charged from cosmic rays (specifically the muon secondary showers from atmospheric collisions - the muons decay to electrons and release energy in the process..). Iron compounds may play a role in the process, but I don't think they are the original source of the charge/voltage. Solar wind plays the same role as cosmic rays in this, I should add, sans muon showers. A related set of experiments were done in the early 1900's in Finland. In this instance, a 900' hill was laid out with a spiral coil covering 20' or more, attached to a 10 or 20' pole. The other end of the wire trialed down the hill to an ammeter. The researchers waited for an aurora to come to earth, something apparently not uncommon in the winter months in that region. I seem to recall that the researchers measured several milliamps of current when the hill was visibly lighted. Part of the experiment was designed to "bring the aurora down", as the phenomenon most often came to within a couple of 1000 feet, but rarely came all the way down. several experiments along these lines WERE successful. Any way you put it, the earth has a 300 V/meter gradient that is equivalent to a lot of power if a current source is present. I once built a small ungrounded device which employed a foil/cardboard/paper/tape pyramid as the capacitive collector/antenna. A ferrous needle was inserted at the apex to which I attached a wire. The wire led to a foil (Al) cap made of a small quartz crystal between foil plates. The other connection went through a 50' mag wire coil which led back to the base of the pyramid collector through a diode, in this case a low power Ge signal diode. A ferrite rod in the middle of the coil got palpably "sticky" when moved, but the most interesting effect was PAIN. I tested in on several friends without telling them what it would do. In every case, leaving your finger in the coil for 30 seconds or more produced sharp aching pain which would linger briefly after removing the finger, and return when it was reinserted. I should add that the effect was increased by raising the pyramid to a higher elevation than the LC/diode components, the higher the DIFFERENCE, the higher the effect. This was a small example of an UNGROUNDED Tesla type device with high L,C and low impedance re the capacitive collector. More on this as time permits - keep up the good work! =============================================================================== Message 4467 DATE/TIME: 01/21/94 21:29 From : GERALD O'DOCHARTY -- RECEIVED -- To : WILLIAM ALLEN Subject: Capacitor Discharges Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi William! There is a device called "High Energy Pulsed Source" in the book "Build your own laser, phaser,...." etc. It is claimed to have a pulse power of 400,000 watts. Complete plans are given and they even had kits available according to the book, but I don't know if its still available. You should be VERY careful working with this kind of device as the peak pulsed power can easily be lethal! -Gerald =============================================================================== Message 4468 DATE/TIME: 01/21/94 23:52 From : NORMAN WOOTAN -- RECEIVED -- To : WOODY MOFFITT Subject: Neutral Spikes Folder : A, "Public Mail" Woody: Appreciate your response to my Neutral Spike Doc. Yes I have read about the Wooden Paddle Electrostatic Device that was in Ford's book and also in an old Popular Science some time back. The main thrust behind my ZPE tapping from iron is more of a direct method that Harold Aspden describes which entails driving the iron to 100% saturation an reversal of the fluxlines to pop the elecyrons out of the iron directly. This will be in the form of negative electricity that Bedini and Bearden have described. About the method of energy replinishment that the earth undergoes, we will have to wait a while for Jerry to put together a document which will be coming out soon which willopen some eyes as to just how this old universe really works. We have the info but it is not yet in the right format to present at this time. You were close but "NO CIGAR" this time HA! HA! More later I promise. Norm =============================================================================== Message 4469 DATE/TIME: 01/22/94 00:04 From : NORMAN WOOTAN -- RECEIVED -- To : GERALD O'DOCHARTY Subject: Capacitor Discharges Folder : A, "Public Mail" Gerald: I really enjoy your input to our little energy problems and discussions. About capacitor discharges, if we will all use the term Joules then we would all know exactly how much power we are talking about. See Capacitors are rated in storage capacity in JOULES since a joule is a WATT/SECOND. That way if we discharge a cap over a determined time base the we have a measure of real power or work that can be done. Don't mean to NIT-PICK, just trying to be helpfull. Remember what Tesla said about working around high voltage, especially large high voltage capacitors, "use one hand and keep the other in your pocket", that way you can possible prevent accidental electrocution. At, let's say 10,000 volts it wouldn't take much of a capacitor to prove to be quite lethal. Be carefull so we can hear from you in the future. Your Friend Norm =============================================================================== Message 4478 DATE/TIME: 01/22/94 11:22 From : NORMAN WOOTAN -- PRIVATE -- -- RECEIVED -- To : Jerry Decker (SYSOP) Subject: Comment Folder : Z, "Comments to the Sysop" Jerry: I'm not really annious to go to Denver, only practiced packing my bags three times last night. HA! HA! Sounds like a must trip for anyone remotely interested in energy and gravity. Boy to have Caithy, Searle, Tewari, Aspden and all the other countless authorities in one place will be the ultimate meeting, in addition to the earth shaking announcement that is coming out on 1 Feb. Will be a trip to remember. By the way, I got a call fromNick Holden down in Waco wanting your phone number. He wanted to arrange a time that he could see the rest of the video on the crystals. I told him hell no, he would wait and see the rest of the tape with the rest of us. I told him that youdeserved your privacy and as a friend not to impose on you for you were very busy and didn't cherish the thought of folks dropping by to see a video in your living room. I asked him why he didn't watch the second hour of the tape at the meeting? He said he was out in the resturant talking and missed it. I said well tough shit dude. Now wait till the next meeting like all the other folks. May I suggest that you immediately, if you have not done so already, go to Guy's and make a back-up copy just in case and hide it in a safe place. There is information on that tape that is worth a fortune which my have become obvious to you already. That tape is easily worth $100.00 a copy for the information is incredible. Just think, I haven't seenthe last part yet. Will probably start building my own space craft after seeing the anti-gravity part. HA! HA! What a trip. I would really like to go to Denver with you for we could really bend one another's ears all the way up and back. Wouldn't be boreing for sure. I guess you know that we will probably have about 10 folks from Dallas wanting to go. This presents a problem such as Nick and Leonard not having reliable transportation. Should we play sheppard and tent the flock or simply say arrange your own transportation????? I told myself last year that I would not subject myself to Nick's cigarette smoke for 24 hours again. Problems already on the horizon. Some times I get the attitude, screw them all but they are friends so what do we do???? Don't mean to unload but you are a friend and will understand since you get it everyday. Call me if you get a chance. I am running one of those battery experiments at this moment, You know the batteries in parrallel getting their recharge from batteries in series trrough a 12 volt load. Looks interesting, now to set upsome fast transistorized switching etc. I'll look at you later. NORM =============================================================================== Message 4479 DATE/TIME: 01/22/94 11:47 From : NORMAN WOOTAN -- RECEIVED -- To : GERALD O'DOCHARTY Subject: Capacitor Discharges Folder : A, "Public Mail" Gerald: You are probably already aware of what I am going to say so dont' take offense for it is meant for the folks out there who don't really understand WATTS, KILLOWATTS or KILOWATT/HOURS. Remember that Tesla said that a capacitor is an amazing device for it allowed us the flexibility to store high voltage energy and release it at any time interval that we deamed oppropriate for our application. Let's look at an example. I have a bank of Energy Storage Capacitors that came from Oak Ridge, DOE made by Sangamo Electric. They are 12"x 12" x 30" in size and weigh 200# each. They are rated at 3000 JOULES @ 60,000 volts. I have a bank of them numbering 60 each which gives a total capacity of 180,000 JOULES. Now if I discharge this bank in 1 second @60 KV it would yield a current of 3 amps. What we are all familiar withis the electric meter which is watt/hours so this bank of capacitors would yield 50watt/hours,but if I discharge it in 1 millisecond the yield would be 180 MEGAWATTS. Then if I were able to discharge it in 1 microsecond then the pulse would be 1.8 GIGAWATTS. The problem is in the fact that the whole bank would explode and devistate everthing arround it. We can't get conductors big enough to handle the currents associated with an instantaneous discharge of this magnitude. The bottom line of the discussion is that power is based on time and the capacitor allows us to compress a lot of power in a short time frame. Be carefull and good luck. Norm =============================================================================== Message 4480 DATE/TIME: 01/22/94 12:26 From : BERT POOL -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN Subject: (R) Capacitor Discharges Folder : A, "Public Mail" Just another note to users about capacitor discharges - Tesla also commented that while an inductor can store and discharge a small amount of power, a capacitor is the most incredible method of storing and discharging electricity. He also said that a stick of dynamite was like a "comsumptive breath" compared to the discharge of a capacitor. Caps can deliver not only a huge voltage, but simultaneously a huge current - in inductors the current always lags the voltage, so the delivered power just is not the same! >> Bert =============================================================================== Message 4482 DATE/TIME: 01/22/94 13:09 From : JIM SHAFFER -- RECEIVED -- To : JOEL MCCLAIN Subject: (R) Jack Van Impe and Rexanna Folder : A, "Public Mail" Well, at least he *mentioned* the Taos Hum....... =============================================================================== Message 4483 DATE/TIME: 01/22/94 13:12 From : JIM SHAFFER -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: (R) Neutral Spike/Dream Folder : A, "Public Mail" On the subject of very long wire antennas -- I've never used one, but there's a design called a Beverage antenna (that's the inventor's name) that looks just like any other longwire antenna but because of its *great* length, reacts differently. Whereas a "short" long-wire isn't very directional, a Beverage is *highly* directional. If I remember rightly, Beverages are used chiefly for longwave (i.e. ELF/VLF!) and mediumwave, and the lower reaches of the shortwave band. =============================================================================== Message 4484 DATE/TIME: 01/22/94 15:29 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- PRIVATE -- -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN Subject: (R) Comment Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha" Hi Norm! Glad to see you can empathasize with some of the problems...they are minor and not really worth bitching about, but sometimes they just pile up and I have to say no, hell no and use the excuse that I am busy...yes, with things that I WANT TO DO...hehehe... Anyway, as to the number of folks who might want to go, perhaps we could pool our money and charter a bus??? I don't think that would be such a problem but never looked at that before....maybe better yet, we could rent a van type vehicle....if there were more than 4.... I too detest smoke and you know Joel is a heavy smoker himself...so what to do...maybe we can give them a pacifier or something....surely they can hold it for a bit...geez, I just hate to smell it and have it on my clothes....never understood how anyone who does smoke cannot understand it about the NORMAL people who can control their desires.... Well, I just been typing on the other computer today and have not really done anything productive....just kind of wanted to lay back and screw off... Projects that I need to be working on are the Keelynet conversion to the new version...install the mail reader, install the new Qmodem and provide a test drive on the BBS for anyone who wants to give it a shot, work on the lucid dream circuit, etc.... You know the thing about personal time, is I hear so many people who WANT something....rarely just to offer anything ideally in exchange for something else...usually just a gimme attitude...that is one reason why I dread answering the phone...almost like aluminum siding or other phone salespeople....geez, it will still take 7 to 10 more years before I can retire on my investments....a slow growth but will give me all the freedom I need to invest fulltime in other things. Well, back to loafing....hehehehe..later...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4486 DATE/TIME: 01/22/94 15:45 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : JIM SHAFFER Subject: (R) Neutral Spike/Dream Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Jim! That is most interesting...probably because they are closer to the full wavelength rather than 1/4 or 1/2 wave antennas.... I think Larry Springs idea of spheres of force that propagate from all frequency manifestations is correct or much closer to the truth than simple compression/rarefaction of a medium....and the relationship to ELF/VLF fits even with the quarter/half wave lengths because these waves are SOOOO long....>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4488 DATE/TIME: 01/22/94 22:15 From : ANDREAS KAUPERT To : ALL Subject: Cook inertial propulsion unit Folder : A, "Public Mail" Has anyone read the article in this months Extrodinary Science about Dr. Cook's new form of propulsion. He claims to have finally found a new form of propulsion that DOES'NT use any form of external force for propulsion. Also he is suppposed to have several WORKING models and have supposedly shown these to NASA with great interest. Has anyone seen any of his technology or heard any more about him? It says in the article that this technology could really hurt the vested interest, and that he wants to make the info as broadly available as possible. If he really wants to protect from have this technology from getting shelved or worse by the goverment or other vested interests, I feel he should give or loan the info to the Keelynet. I would like to hear from anyone on their comments regarding this info and message. Thanks! =============================================================================== Message 4490 DATE/TIME: 01/23/94 01:25 From : WILLIAM ALLEN To : ALL Subject: COILBAK RESPONSE FROM CHAD PRYSON Folder : A, "Public Mail" I HAVE BEEN SENDING FILES AND WORKING WITH CHAD PRYSON. WE WORKED TOGETHER IN KNOXVILLE, TN, AND THEN I MOVED TO TEXAS... DUE TO THE LONG DISTANCE CALLS, HE DOESN'T CALL OFTEN, SO HE SENT THIS TO ME FOR UPLOAD TO KEELYNET....... HE HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE HENDERSHOT GENERATOR FOR SOME TIME, AND HAS WOUND A BEAUTIFUL PAIR OF BASKET COILS AND HAS BECOME EXPERT AT MAKING THE CAPACITORS CALLED FOR IN THE TEXT. ALAS, THE DEVICE STILL DOES NOT PUT OUT ANY POWER. CHAD DOES THE BEST LOOKING ASSEMBLY WORK I HAVE SEEN, AND IS A VERY GOOD TECHNICIAN. HE UMPED AT THE COILBAK AS AN IDEA, AND IMMEDIATELY TRIED HIS HAND AT THE CIRCUIT. FOLLOWING ARE HIS RESPONCES: ********************************************************** To KeelyNet Jan. 3rd, 1994 RE: Coilbak circuit submitted by Joel McClain As I have experimented with the Coilbak circuit, I have obtained no favorable results as yet. I would like to point out two critical factors in the circuit design: 1.) Regardless of where the comparator reference voltage is set, the SCR has been triggered and will not turn off by any subsequent action of the gate voltage from the comparator output. Since the SCR is conducting, the sawtooth ramp will continue to maintain bias on the SCR anode, ensuring that it will conduct the entire ramp from triggering to maximum amplitude. There is no way to inhibit the coil charge cycle at 90 degrees. 2.) Due to the extremely short duration of the sawtooth "low" state, I have not found an SCR that will respond to such a short transient and reset before the next ramp begins. The only exception to this is pulling the sawtooth waveform below ground by using a negative supply in addition to the positive battery supply. This, of course, tends to negate the entire purpose of the circuit since that supply cannot be replenished. This has been my experience to date. I am normally not a skeptic regarding such matters, (I always hope everyone has altruistic intentions) but something seems to be missing or incorrect. Have I missed something? Sincerely, Chad Pryson 3708 Douglas Dam Rd. Kodak, TN 37764 615-933-8025 =============================================================================== Message 4492 DATE/TIME: 01/23/94 02:02 From : GERALD O'DOCHARTY -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN Subject: Capacitor Discharges Folder : A, "Public Mail" Thanks Norm for that clarification. Actually I was looking over the chapter on that device while writing and trying to find the joules rating which turned out to be about 1000 joules, but it was late and my eyes couldn't focus anymore so I settled for the watts rating which I was able to find. I think that alone was pressty impressive if deliverable for any significant length of time. The device is said to be capable of exploding wire etc. You know you mentioned that we don't have a lot of experience in these types of discharges, and I expect that its just such sort of unexplored areas where we are likely to find the anomalies that will provide clues to the next physics. One thing about Nikola Tesla that makes him interesting was that he is still one of the only ones ever to experiment with the very high power high voltage discharges that characterized his work. There were many anomalies and clues right there in the well known literature about him. =============================================================================== Message 4493 DATE/TIME: 01/23/94 02:12 From : GERALD O'DOCHARTY -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: Garrett carb Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Jerry! I just looked at the water electrolytic carb file and really enjoyed it. I did some calculations and here are some results; 1Kw/h is equivalent to 3413 Btu/hr. You mentioned that the theoretical yield of hydrogen from electrolysis could be 79 Kw per 1,000 cubic feet of hydrogen. (I assumed you meant Kw/r) This would yield a production rate of; 1Kw/h / 12.65 cu.ft. or 4111 Btu/h I that is correct then that is an efficiency of 120% assuming no other losses. Well I don't think you will power a car at this rate, but maybe it could work as a ground based accumulator of some sort. The Hydrogen production rate gots to be better. I think a hydrogen fuel cell will probably be the way to go. Pure electrical can be so much ore efficient that combustion engines if we put serious efforts toward that. -later. Gerald =============================================================================== Message 4494 DATE/TIME: 01/23/94 08:08 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : ANDREAS KAUPERT Subject: (R) Cook inertial propulsion unit Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Andreas! There are several patents for what are termed "Inertial Drive" or Kinemassic thrust units....most of these use an eccentric with a piston or weight to translate a rotary force to a linear force at one point of the rotation. As the wheel rotates around to the point where the desired thrust is to be applied a spring loaded weight is THROWN out which causes the mass to move slightly in that direction...the spring then resets and awaits the next thrust. The movements are slight but can be at high frequency for a stepping drive. There is even a patent for a toy based on this process but I don't know if it was ever manufactured and sold...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4495 DATE/TIME: 01/23/94 08:14 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : GERALD O'DOCHARTY Subject: (R) Garrett carb Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Gerald! The point of the Garrett carburetor was not as a free energy type device, but rather that electrical energy could be used to produce combustible gases for burning in an engine FROM WATER, easily obtainable and with no ecological side effects. The particular intriguing point was it could be run in any engine with minimal damage or equivalent to that of a gasoline/diesel powered engine. Calculations are fine, but those are all based on hydrogen alone as the fuel.....the only way to get tangible results is with live experiments....that is one of the things Tesla said that I totally agree with, you can jiggle mathematics all day, but if you can't translate it to an experiment, it is worthless. Hopefully by this summer, I can at least convert a lawnmower engine over to get some numbers. These will be based on the setup...I am thinking of a generator attached to the lawnmower engine....that generator would then sustain a battery network which would sustain a load AND supply power to carry out the hydrolysis. This would then give tangible evidence by: 1) Monitoring the output current (unloaded to the batteries) 2) Monitoring the current FROM the batteries to produce hydrolysis 3) Monitor the current for the TOTAL load 4) Keeping track of how much water is used and replenishment needed to sustain the operation of the device. By doing a test over a period of time, the information could be sampled by a computer with a scanning line to jump from one measurement to another (I have designed and tested a circuit for this) which can be recorded in a spreadsheet...this will show relationships as well as trends to greater or lesser power. Depending on the amount of power produced by the generator, the load can be increased until a maximum is determined. This will provide some useful data. The other option is to use an old vehicle and duplicate the original experiment, monitoring the current used and produced.... The bottomline here is, WILL THE UNIT SUSTAIN ITS OWN HYDROLYSIS PROCESS? That is, will it produce sufficient current to keep the batteries charged, feed the hydrolyzers and run the other electrical requirements of a vehicle? And if not, HOW much off are we? There are lots of tricks about generators and alternators regarding shunts that can be used to 'pump' up the output, and I think we all fairly well concur that hybridization is the key until we get sufficient practical experiments to make a single type of technology that will sustain itself without outside inputs...later...>>> Jerry ...BTW, I got your Piezos and will mail out this week...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4496 DATE/TIME: 01/23/94 09:25 From : NORMAN WOOTAN -- PRIVATE -- -- RECEIVED -- To : Jerry Decker (SYSOP) Subject: Comment Folder : Z, "Comments to the Sysop" Jerry: Today I'm going to start cutting out the parts for the pyramid transmutation device we saw in the video tape. Since this is a totally passive device I think it wise to build a simple version and put it in the spare bed-room and let it do it's thing. Sort of like that mushroom growing, all you have to do is watch the results. Heck, if we get a gold nugget from a vile of mercury then we could quietly build you research facility and drive people nuts as to where the money is comming from. I guess you could say a rich unkle died and willed you his fortune or you cashed in you wally-mart stock. HA! HA! Well I am going to the shop to cut out some triangle particle boarb bases for the pyramids or better yet the tetrahedrons to be mounted to. I will keep you posted as to progress. Since I haven't seen the last hour of the tape on anti-gravity, is there any danger of my tetrahedron flying away???? HA! HA! Norm =============================================================================== Message 4497 DATE/TIME: 01/23/94 11:45 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN Subject: (R) Comment Folder : E, "Special Associates Area Omega" Hi Norman! I would think lead would be preferable to mercury, not only for cost but alchemically speaking, since they used LEAD as a source material, rather than mercury... It would be a hoot to be able to make some gold...if it reconverts back to lead, which I dont' think it will, then it would not matter because by then it might be a ring or something....hehehe... Well, I built a pyramid out of dowel rods and hot glue, very easy to do and the form is the main thing....but I think I will duplicate Les Browns experiment but using thick copper wire, probably #12 or so and soldering to form the tets....will use a lead fishing weight suspended in the beam... Then just see what happens with checks every few days.... One other thing, Tetrahedrons are not sensitive to N/S polarity because of their form....or so says Verne Cameron, one of the primo dowsers who ever lived...he has been dead now for about 20 years and is the fellow who developed the AURAMETER...a spring loaded dowsing rod that was said to be super sensitive...he would measure the energy and spin from various forms such as pyramids, tets, spirals, lines...etc... Nough for now, later...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4498 DATE/TIME: 01/23/94 12:46 From : MIKE GATEWOOD To : ALL Subject: infinite closed universe theory false? Folder : A, "Public Mail" I am mainly writing this to see if I am wrong. I have no idea because no one at my school knows anything about it so I can't get any help. I hope someone will write back and prove me wrong or right. Anyway, my theory goes as such: If we have a closed universe, hypotheticly, and there were black holes and worm holes in it that could transport matter to other demensions then eventually we would not have enough matter to sustain a closed universe, so there is no such thing as an infinite closed universe. It's pretty simple, so I hope someone will take the time out to make a comment on this. One other thing. If we do have a closed universe, and when it closes it condenses into a very dense mass then wouldn't it create a black hole or a worm hole which would theoreticly transport our universe into another demension, probably a lower demension. If this is true then we have an infinite number of demensions. The next demension our universe will travel to will be the second demension. What will happen when it gets to our "0" demension, will it implode in on itself at 90 degree angles to create a "negative" demension. So what we think of as the 3rd demension is only one of the infinite number of demensions that have been going on for etrnity and will still keep going on for eternity unless my first theory is correct. Or is it all timed out in such a way that the universe will loose enough mass by the time it reaches the "0" demension so it will become an open universe instead of traveling to "negative" demensions. -------------------- NOTE: This message has been FORWARDED to Jerry Decker by Mike Gatewood on 01/23/94 at 13:07 =============================================================================== Message 4499 DATE/TIME: 01/23/94 12:46 From : MIKE GATEWOOD -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) (FORWARDED) Subject: infinite closed universe theory false? Folder : A, "Public Mail" NOTE: The following message was originally addressed to ALL and was forwarded to you by Mike Gatewood on 01/23/94 at 13:07 -------------------- I am mainly writing this to see if I am wrong. I have no idea because no one at my school knows anything about it so I can't get any help. I hope someone will write back and prove me wrong or right. Anyway, my theory goes as such: If we have a closed universe, hypotheticly, and there were black holes and worm holes in it that could transport matter to other demensions then eventually we would not have enough matter to sustain a closed universe, so there is no such thing as an infinite closed universe. It's pretty simple, so I hope someone will take the time out to make a comment on this. One other thing. If we do have a closed universe, and when it closes it condenses into a very dense mass then wouldn't it create a black hole or a worm hole which would theoreticly transport our universe into another demension, probably a lower demension. If this is true then we have an infinite number of demensions. The next demension our universe will travel to will be the second demension. What will happen when it gets to our "0" demension, will it implode in on itself at 90 degree angles to create a "negative" demension. So what we think of as the 3rd demension is only one of the infinite number of demensions that have been going on for etrnity and will still keep going on for eternity unless my first theory is correct. Or is it all timed out in such a way that the universe will loose enough mass by the time it reaches the "0" demension so it will become an open universe instead of traveling to "negative" demensions. =============================================================================== Message 4501 DATE/TIME: 01/23/94 13:37 From : JOEL MCCLAIN -- RECEIVED -- To : WILLIAM ALLEN Subject: COILBAK Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi William, Thank you for relaying Chad's message. It's the first really thoughtful response I've gotten since the file was uploaded. The SCR, as Chad states, is a "once on, stays on" device, and the bias applied via the inverting comparator is used as a delay trigger, resetting as soon as the current drops below the min. holding level. The objective is to hold the SCR off AFTER each half cycle of sawtooth, until the discharge of the inductive kick from the coil. This depende on the current dropping low, which it does, to zero in fact, and the inverted output keeps the gate turned off. At resonance, the circuit will begin to "breathe", and at that point, the entire aggregate is able to synchronize around the total of its components. It may be easier to accomplish this with a FET, or possibly a darlington array if someone wants to try a bipolar input. If not, the SCR will do.û Measured output was achieved via resistive load of lamps, and in this small power circuit, the gain was able to light a couple of 12VDC lamps before losing unity. Follow the concept, and try other components, as you choose. It's the concept that exists in nature, as well in chasses where the spikes have to be eliminated to protect CMOS, but having created the spikes, it is a matter of tuning the circuit to resonance. Without knowing much about the coils that Chad has wound, I think that maybe resonance is also missing there, at least that would seem to be the most reasonable guess. Please keep me posted as Chad continues to work with these designs. Thank you. Joel McClain =============================================================================== Message 4502 DATE/TIME: 01/23/94 15:39 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : MIKE GATEWOOD Subject: (R) infinite closed universe theory fals Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Mike! My understanding of the physical universe is that we can travel in it using standard propulsion methods. As to dimensions, there are several ways of thinking about them. The most basic is one which makes the most sense, i.e. there is a positive dimension and a negative dimension (call it antimatter if you wish)...on OUR side, photons or any radiant energy or mass is a result of a hyperspatial gateway or hole through the fabric of space FROM "hyperspace"/antimatter INTO our dimension. So any radiating energy or mass in this dimension is ENTERING FROM HYPERSPACE....on the other hand, electrons are passing through these hyperspatial gateways FROM our dimension, INTO hyperspace. Note that photons are ELECTRONS when viewed from a hyperspatial viewpoint, and electrons are PHOTONS when viewed from a hyperspatial viewpoint. So, you get this continual flow from this dimension back into hyperspace and then from hyperspace back into this dimension, thus making for a very large closed system. (I hope this is not too confusing.) As to dimensions, they are phase shifted realities that co-exist with our own universe and also CREATE the hyperspatial universe which is the mirror image (FULLY 180 degrees phase shifted) of our universe. Thus, by altering the phase angle of an object, you can shift dimensions or realities, by altering the phase 180 degrees, you pop into the hyperspace region and become a mirror image. I guess, you could think of us as living within a giant SOLITON or bubble...the yin/yang symbol best shows it, as the movement from energy into matter, then back into energy, forever or until sufficient changes are made to jump to the next order of complexity. It all fits in quite well with chaos/dissipative structure theories and experiments....and in my favorite quote "escape to a higher ORDER". These Orders are greater complexities or matrices, encompassing many lower orders within their very being....kind of like all the atoms, making all the molecules, making all the cells, making all the organs, making US....this follows with matter AND even energy to some degree. We are a cooperative of units which work together for a common end product. So in a manner of speaking, THERE IS A GOD (higher order). So, two basic universes, one is THE UNIVERSE (in which we currently live) and the other is this HYPERSPACE region, being the mirror image. Since it IS a mirror image, it is thus 180 degrees out of phase with us and so everything FLIPS when it FULLY transits from one to the other. Dimensions are phase angles..i.e....10,11,14,22 degrees all the way up to 180....which then becomes hyperspatial. And BEYOND 180, the spin direction comes into play and we go even further with 181 up to 360 or full circle....so there are infinite gradations of "dimensions"....but nature works very simply using the binary system....the gradations of "dimension" allow infinite varieties of manifestation. (think of it as breathing, expand, contract..) There are many stories regarding the above concepts, some from UFO contact cases, others from biological experiments, still others from experiments with mass and energy... In all cases, a shift was performed by technology or accident (natural). If an entity is manifested and grown in any given dimension, then a time/phase lock is encoded WITHIN THE MATRIX of the entity or object. If that entiry or object were subjected to a high intensity energetic disturbance, with the proper phase difference from ITS OWN DIMENSION, (and for that you need some kind of LOCK for the dimension you are COMING FROM), then by a sustained projection, you could move from one dimension or spatial or TIME location to another, depending on the nature of the energetic disturbance. (note that TIME is vortex dependent and is very dangerous because of relative spatial displacement as a mass moves through the universe) A sudden shock could send an entity who happened to be at the focal point of that shock, INTO another dimension for a short period of time and then the entity would be jerked back when the field concentration in its matrix went below a given magnitude, so that it would snap back to its home dimension. Reference Bearden's Excalibur Briefing regarding TULPOIDS as dimensionally shifted entities, be they UFOs, Bigfoot, LochNess, whatever....and we must not forget ARCHETYPEs when considering such manifestions that disappear without a trace after being witnessed. If you saw the Star Trek episode yesterday, note the holodeck losing "resolution" due to phase shifting....the same thing, except this is relative to a specific mass rather than over a wide area...however, the Bermuda Triangle and other anomalous areas could be subject to such dimensional shifts for short durations... I know of some experiments that might give more tangible answers and prove or disprove all this, but it would take time and bucks to see it proven. One of the problems with tapping the virtual flux/ZPE is that energy converts to mass through the slowing down of composite signatures. If too much energy is pulled out of one area, it can cause JUST SUCH PHASE SHIFTS for all kinds of bizarre things to happen. Think of the surface of the Earth as being covered by a layer of water, this water is the virtual flux. If you hold out your palm over this water, and push down very rapidly, you will create a "sinkhole" which will go down as deep as you have pushed your hand. Of course, the surrounding water will RUSH in and fill up that hole as nature SEEKS UNITY, in this case a flat, uninterrupted fluid surface. Now, with regard to tapping free energy, AND CONSIDERING this hyperspatial tapping as a SOURCE, then we must create such a sinkhole in the surrounding energetic flux.....the energy would come from multiple hyperspatial gateways created and SOURCED from hyperspace in the form of photons passing FROM hyperspace INTO our universe to flip and become electrons which we can then tap into. The problem thus becomes one of degree of tapping, we can only take so much over a period of time, before WE CAUSE a depression in the area as a direct result of REMOVING too much energy. This then will produce the bizarre time and/or dimensional shifts, not to mention unhealthy zones which can weaken, maim or kill life. So we have to be careful. The ideal thing would be to be able to monitor the virtual flux background so we would KNOW when we were taking TOO much and could reduce our consumption or shut the damn thing off. Anyway, I am going WAY too far on this, but you asked and I might be wrong, but it is closer than most I have read....all a matter of belief anyway, until we get tangible machines and monitoring equipment.... later...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4504 DATE/TIME: 01/23/94 18:09 From : BOB ALDRICH -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: Re: Upload of RCKDUST1.ASC Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Jerry, I just uploaded three files about rockdust, Rokdust1,2,3.asc. Enjoy! Bob =============================================================================== Message 4506 DATE/TIME: 01/23/94 19:12 From : MARK GRAALMAN -- RECEIVED -- To : BERT POOL Subject: TESLAC Folder : A, "Public Mail" Bert, I was just wondering if your sysop had gotten TESLAC installed in the system files as yet, also how did your transformer rewinding project turn out? I don't know if I had told you or not, but I'm now running Pandora at 5KW input and have no problem getting 8 foot discharges. I hope to get a new 12"dia. sec. wound this summer. See ya, Mark Graalman TCBA # 1399 =============================================================================== Message 4513 DATE/TIME: 01/23/94 23:34 From : JOEL MCCLAIN -- RECEIVED -- To : IDAN MANDELBAUM Subject: (R) tesbuck Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Idan, The Tesla coil that I use is not a spark=shooter, but it is reasonably reliable and does what it's supposed to do. It's the one provided in the file TESLABLD.ZIP, from Steve Gantt, and with a few minor modifications, it's pretty well bullet-proof. Takes time and patience to wind it, but the extra effort is more than rewarded. If you build it, let me know, and I'll tell you the modifications. Joel =============================================================================== Message 4514 DATE/TIME: 01/23/94 23:37 From : JOEL MCCLAIN To : ALL Subject: Levitation and Ley Lines Folder : A, "Public Mail" Just read a most fascinating book, called "Mysteries of the Mexican Pyramids", by Peter Tompkins. Even if you're not interested in pyramids, there is a strong connection shown (Chapter 23) between pyramids and other stone (Henge) structures, ley lines of the magnetic grid, orgone energy, ala Wilhelm Reich, AND the plasmic state of water, ala Keely. It's all connected, so regardless of your particular slant, all roads lead to the same places. As to what Norm has been saying lately, there is VERY strong confirmatiob of energy as a result of the crystalline stricture of earth's iron core, and much more. Go to your neighborhood library and check this one out. It's a WILD RIDE. Joel cc: Jerry Decker =============================================================================== Message 4517 DATE/TIME: 01/24/94 02:50 From : CLARENCE SATTERLEE -- RECEIVED -- To : BRYANT STAVELY Subject: (R) SUBLIMINAL PROGRAMMING Folder : A, "Public Mail" Sir Bryant, Hope your vacation accomplished the proper effect. Every vacation we've takin has caused me to take a break and do something simple like go back to work. just joking. After spending 3quarters of a mil on legal fees to research the legalities, (not all my funds) I'm certain the union being established is for the best. the union would first establish it's sovereignty and only then it could be constitutionally protect. the union only establishes those who are Lord Jesus's and adhere to New Testament standards and fundamental beliefs, regardless of the persons brand name Christian association. The union is to protect the members from rouge ministers or goverment agencies that prohibit or infringe established New Testament standards i can relate more to you later. Is ther a way I can send you somthing by mail ? Are you in the Dallas area ? I live in Rockwall, Tx. Just moved hear a couple months ago form Mo. It's late and I just came in at 2o'clock im the morning and need to sleep for meetings in the morning. Hope to hear from you soon. Linda and Clarence =============================================================================== Message 4520 DATE/TIME: 01/24/94 08:42 From : BERT POOL -- RECEIVED -- To : MARK GRAALMAN Subject: (R) TESLAC Folder : A, "Public Mail" Mark, Jerry Decker has promised to get your program on-line soon. I have not re-wound my power transformer since a friend of mine has let me borrow an excellent 12.5 kv 5 kva unit to use. 8 ft. from Pandora is very good! >> Bert =============================================================================== Message 4521 DATE/TIME: 01/24/94 09:00 From : NORMAN WOOTAN -- RECEIVED -- To : JOEL MCCLAIN Subject: Negative Spike Folder : A, "Public Mail" Joel: Thanks for your input on the book about the Mexican Pyramids. Yes the stricturing of the iron is exactly what we have been discussing as to the method of popping the free electrons in the iron atoms free. in the large capacitor run/start motors that I described the magnetic field becomes super-saturated causing the electron or negative energy flow directly out of the iron to be manifested in the earth ground or neutral side of the line. I am quite sure that the some thing is occuring in the molten core of this planet because of the magnetic flux reversal at the "BLOCK WALL" which would account for the constant molten state. We are literly sitting on a massive negative energy generator and from time to time we see strange manisfestations of this form of energy on the surface to which physisist have no explanation. Keep up the good work, for it's input like yours that will solve the free energy equation and give us the simple over-unity devices which we seek. Your friend Norm =============================================================================== Message 4522 DATE/TIME: 01/24/94 09:21 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : BOB ALDRICH Subject: (R) Re: Upload of RCKDUST1.ASC Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bob! Thanks, will inspect them probably this weekend...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4523 DATE/TIME: 01/24/94 09:22 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : MARK GRAALMAN Subject: (R) Comment Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Mark! I will transfer it over after this message, though haven't had a chance to look at it myself...thanks for the file..>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4526 DATE/TIME: 01/24/94 09:40 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : BERT POOL Subject: (R) TESLAC Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bert! Go for it, TESLAC.ZIP is now in the PD section...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4527 DATE/TIME: 01/24/94 12:24 From : JOEL MCCLAIN -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN Subject: (R) Negative Spike Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Norm, I have to confess, that I didn't understand at first exactly where you were going with the iron core, but from the messages, obviously Jerry and Woody DID understand, so with the extra "homework" I've been doing, I am with you now. Please keep me up to date as you continue to study this. Thank you!! Joel =============================================================================== Message 4528 DATE/TIME: 01/24/94 13:22 From : JOEL MCCLAIN To : ALL Subject: Orgone Energy Folder : A, "Public Mail" OK, maybe I'm way off base here, so somebody please correct me. Wilhelm Reich's Orgone Energy box was layered with organic/inorganic materials, and generated both heat and healthful energy, or so goes the story. Einstein couldn't figure it out, and the gov't threw Reich in the can, after burning his books. Now, anyone who has gardened and made a compost heap has noticed the heat coming from the pile. Sunlight is normally associated with the heat, but sunlight would only heat the TOP, and the inside should be cool from evaporation, except it isn't, it's hot. In the book that I mentioned, There is reference to TELLURIC energy, which is the positive energy created when cosmic radiation passes through the IRON CORE, and comes up from below. That's how plants create more energy than they consume. Also, the effect is similar to standing below a ley line, as Jerry noticed where the tree branches twist under the increase of healthful energy. So, any compost pile can be used as an energy source...bacteria don't have body temperatures as far as I know, so THEY aren't generating the heat. The trick is to create the EFFECT, as Reich did, with organic materials that respond to positive life energy, while keeping the material from being decayed due to bacteria. Norm, it's getting interestinger all the time! I think that a shoe box lined with aluminum foil and some layers of ordinary materials would be all that is needed to start testing this. Who's with me, and wants to try this and publish their results? Joel McClain cc: Jerry Decker =============================================================================== Message 4530 DATE/TIME: 01/24/94 15:56 From : GARRIE WILSON To : ALL Subject: aids Folder : A, "Public Mail" I have some articles relating to aids and the government, they discuss how the gov. made the virus. If anyone would like for me to upload them just leave me mail saying so. Garrie Wilson =============================================================================== Message 4531 DATE/TIME: 01/24/94 17:07 From : WOODY MOFFITT -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN Subject: misc. Folder : E, "Special Associates Area Omega" Hi, Norm. I appreciate the fact that you are working with iron as a medium for zpe tapping. Though there are several simple ways to tap ambient energy (heat, V-grad, etc.), the real prize is still the zpe. I like the idea of flux reversal at saturation, but I tend to question this type of approach on the basis of COMPLEXITY, i.e., success depends on finetuning of cranky semiconductors, etc., which can create a lot of false failures (just a nano or 2 difference in switching time, et al...). This is not to say I don't think the approach is valid, only that it may be difficult to stabilize such a device (unless I'm missing something here). Re the V-grad origin - I personally think that it takes more than secondary muon showers and solar wind to explain this phenomenon. The mag properties of the earth must be accounted for, as well as several other energetic factors (I can't be more specific now, but I would love to hear anything you have to offer on this matter). Time is short, but there is much more to look at here.... =============================================================================== Message 4535 DATE/TIME: 01/24/94 21:32 From : BERT POOL -- RECEIVED -- To : JOEL MCCLAIN Subject: (R) Orgone Energy Folder : A, "Public Mail" Joel, Norm is most interested in your note on bacterial decay producing heat, since bacteria may not have "body temperature".Norm has a teeny tiny thermocouple that he will use to test the temperature of a single bacterium -and will produce a definitive answer to this perplexing question. (I'm sorry, I have this illness which prevents me from being serious ALL the time!) >> Bert =============================================================================== Message 4536 DATE/TIME: 01/24/94 21:49 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : JOEL MCCLAIN Subject: (R) Orgone Energy Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Joel! There are several types of machines that are supposed to generate power based on these principles.....some claim it is simply methane....others that it uses Joseph Caters' Soft Electrons....hard electrons are then normal ones that we experience daily and are like bowling balls...once the hard outside layer is stripped away (using phase conjugation or other means), you have this mushy ball that can be INSTANTLY absorbed into tissue or used to supercharge other materials for fuel... One device, is a box that is essentially an orgone box with an input and an output....there are MANY convolutions within this box which actually collect the orgone. It is claimed that air sucked into the input will pass through the convolutions and become supercharged with orgone...once it comes out of the output, it can be burned as a gas to drive an automobile, etc.... Another device is a description from an Aussie friend, David Oates about a fellow he knew who built a 6X10 foot pit that was about 6 feet deep. This pit was filled with chicken and/or pig manure (I forget which, though it might have been a combination)...a metal pole was mounted at each end of the pit....and cables attached to the poles provided enough power to run his lighting for his farm! David did not know if the poles were constructed of dissimilar metals. As to healing, these soft electrons can be absorbed into the body according to German researcher Joanna Budwig...you must use a mixture of honey, cottage cheese and linseed oil, blend til it looks like yogurt, then eat that daily...this creates some kind of absorptive layer in the cells of the body...then you use this lightbox contraption that is essentially a bunch of front surface reflecting mirrors. A very bright bulb is the source and the light is reflected thousands of times before it actually leaves the box....as the light reflects onto itself, it peels away layers from the photons thus making them very easy to "digest" by these prepared tissues....they are getting spectacular results with cancer and many other diseases. As to a motor force, Orgone is becomes highly chaotic when trapped in an orgone box and when it reaches a certain density and can't find a way out, it becomes extremely agitated....this is one of the basic principles for a motor force....you simply allow for a controlled point of egress, i.e. you let it out, WHERE you want to let it out....using a metal vane like an oldstyle paddlewheel to drive a generator...as the orgone energy flows, so moves the paddlewheel and the thing provides power. The 2nd motor force uses an a radioactive element. When subjected to orgone energy, the decay rate is greatly accelerated which can be tapped by a geiger type device.....Reich developed something he called a VACOR tube to tape into this....nowadays, we would use a series of atomic batteries (i.e. devices which absorb alpha, gamma, beta or other particles and directly convert to electricity)....this however is quite dangerous as proven in Reich's experiments that produced DOR (destructive Orgone Energy)...well, work calls...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4537 DATE/TIME: 01/24/94 22:02 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : GARRIE WILSON Subject: (R) aids Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Garrie! We have all that, thanks anyway...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4538 DATE/TIME: 01/24/94 23:16 From : BOB ALDRICH -- RECEIVED -- To : TERRY BASTIAN Subject: (R) efficient batteries Folder : A, "Public Mail" Terry, Ok, here's the scoop on this liquid electricity. The man I know who told me is getting older, and so couldn't recall all that I remembered, but he did come up with some more details. He couldn't recall the man's name, but he is known in the midwest for his invention that waters farms, sort of a very high-powered water pistol.. It irrigates a farm with one nozzle... it shoots water half a mile or more! He almost recalle the name, but not quite, but said it rhymes with stag or stap or something.. He said that someone else did some experiments along the same lines, that he copied what this man did, and that this other man disappeared. Whether he left suddenly or mysteriously or just moved away, or was abducted is not known. This man did say that the liquid electricity battery was doubly enclosed (possibly for insulation from heat) and that it was charged for several hours at a very high voltage and it eventually got extremely heavy. If you shook it the electricity sloshed around inside. He had built a small model, cooled by helium (although I thought my friend said nitrogen last time) that, if scaled up, per his calculations to a cubic foot, WOULD CONTAIN ENOUGH ENERGY TO LIGHT NEW YORK CITY FOR A WEEK. Also that this cubic foot of electricity WOULD WEIGH ABOUT TWO TONS. There is another such device, a different researcher, somewhere in Washington or Oregon possibly, who has something similar called the Trinium battery. Don't know if it's exactly the same thing, but if you want I could trace this down also. AND, here is another one. Another type of battery was designed by a fellow named Joe Wallace of Phoenix, Arizona in the mid-fifties. This battery was TWO CUBIC INCHES, yet was comparable to the lead-acid car battery we know. And it would draw higher current. My friend saw one the size of a penny (single cell) that would produce hundreds of amps at 1-1.5 volts! It was SILVER BASED; the electrolyte may have been silver chloride. One terminal was a paste and the other terminal was a solid terminal. There may be a way to trace this fellow down. However, some of the technology may be defense related, as Amphenol allowed him to demonstrate his battery to them (how nice of them) but they didn't want to buy his design, as they had a similar design which didn't work as well but was adequate for their use, which was used in the detonation of the Atomic Bomb! All for now! Bob =============================================================================== Message 4539 DATE/TIME: 01/24/94 23:18 From : BOB ALDRICH To : ANDREAS KAUPERT Subject: (R) Cook inertial propulsion unit Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Andreas, I know Bob Cook. I was instrumental in getting him set up in southern California in the eighties. I don't know where he is now, but I did see his machine which was mounted on a elevated track about three feet long. It was about one inch higher at one end. At the time e he demonstrated the machine it was not working properly, as one of the rotors was damaged. He hadn't enough money to keep it repaired to even demonstrate it. But I DID see it move UP the track. It was on rollers, and I don't believe there was a way it could have done it except by inertialess. Unfortunately most of the other people who saw the demonstration were potential investors and mosly they were not impressed. But it was on free-rolling rollers, it couldn't have moved up that track any other way to my knowledge. In his book "The Death of Rocketry" he showed another model that was hanging from rafters by wires, and it was hanging off to the side. I talked to his wife who rode in a boat across a swimming pool propelled by another version. I suggest get ahold of him and buy his book Death of Rocketry and read it for the theory of how it works, it's quite amazing! Bob =============================================================================== Message 4540 DATE/TIME: 01/24/94 23:27 From : BOB ALDRICH -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: 3.3 Mhz Battery Charger Folder : A, "Public Mail" Jerry, I was reading about using 3.3 mhz in a charger to recharge lead-acid batteries sometime back, and that J.C. Whitney catalog had this battery charger. I ordered a J.C. Whitney catalog so I could buy one, but I see nothing in here about it. There is ONE battery charger (item 89xx0708B) called an Auomatic Battery Charger/ Maintainer on page 170 of catalog no. 562D, but it mentions nothing about this capability to rejuvinate or eliminate the sulfate! Any comments? Anyone else know if this is the charger? Thanks, Bob Aldrich =============================================================================== Message 4541 DATE/TIME: 01/25/94 03:09 From : CLARENCE SATTERLEE -- RECEIVED -- To : BRYANT STAVELY Subject: (R) SUBLIMINAL PROGRAMMING Folder : A, "Public Mail" Mr. Bryant, somthing I forgot to mention, the union is being established to help protect the people in the places like work, public, home, and others. not to have anyone withdraw from life but to be protected in it. the union is not promoting any single Christian type group or their leadership. If anything, the union will protect it's members from church leadership. A main issueThe union has two parts, first the Lord Jesus's People Union and then Lord Jesus's Taxpayers Association. must sleep, more later. Linda and Clarence =============================================================================== Message 4543 DATE/TIME: 01/25/94 07:55 From : KEN WELLS -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: (R) Level Bump Folder : A, "Public Mail" You have a vision and I like it! Count me in with any support necessary. Thanks for the note. Ken. =============================================================================== Message 4544 DATE/TIME: 01/25/94 09:43 From : BERT POOL -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: Orgone box Folder : A, "Public Mail" Jerry, I keep seeing messages on orgone energy produced by "the box". Frankly, I am very skeptical of such a device working. I am very busy on building two different experiments right now, or I'd build one right now to satisfy my skeptical streak. I'd very much be interested in testing such a device - I have some precision thermocouples which would test ambient/output temperature differentials, as well as external case temps. Have you or anyone else in the DFW area got an orgone accumulator you're willing to let me examine and test? If there IS a temperature differential between ambient and output, then Norm's Peltier junctions should be able to convert this temperature into a continuous, albiet small, direct electrical output. I have a few of these that I can setup for just such a test/demonstration. . By the way, I stopped by Norm's last night, and I swear I saw a Honda Civic and a Hundai swerve 5 or six feet sideways as they passed his place - the magnetic fields emanating through the walls are INCREDIBLE! >> Bert -------------------- NOTE: This message has been FORWARDED to Joel Mcclain by Bert Pool on 01/25/94 at 13:43 =============================================================================== Message 4547 DATE/TIME: 01/25/94 14:25 From : JOEL MCCLAIN -- RECEIVED -- To : BERT POOL Subject: (R) Orgone box Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bert, Skepticism is good. I'm skeptical as well, but I temper it with the facts that: 1. Reich was imprisoned, and his books burned by the USDA 2. Einstein personally proved that the heat exists, but was not able to explain it. 3. Ancients also believed in this type of healing energy, and built labyrinths under pyramids to "capture" it. The more we study "new" physics, the more it seems that we are learning the old. Joel =============================================================================== Message 4549 DATE/TIME: 01/25/94 20:21 From : WILLIAM PRICE -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: Message base index Folder : A, "Public Mail" Jerry, I uploaded a file named KINDEX.ZIP. This is a text file that contains a cross reference for the message base from msg 1 to 4527. The index is in a text file and is sorted or ordered based on the message subject, from, and to. The output is generated from the program I uploaded some time ago that sorts through a wild cat message base. I'm using the program to generate a comma delimited file that I then import into a database manager to do the sort. The program can provided sorted output but it takes forever to do it. One of the things that I have noticed is that no matter what project I start, there seems to be an enormous amount of inertia to complete it. My son and I have a modified coilbac circuit ready to test and we cann't seem to get the time to actually do the experiment. It's almost like an outside force keeps you from it. Enough of my problems. I have internet access for 25.00 a month here in Orange County California and would recommend it to anyone who communicates via e-mail. The 25.00 is the only charge and I get 6 hours a day of access time. This is a full internet account. I and my BBS can receive e-mail at [email protected] . I maintain the Keely Net Energy and Gravity file bases and the message base. If anyone wants a complete message base and they have an internet address I will be happy to send it to them via the net. Has anyone performed the falling coil experiments? When we finish the coilbak results, that will be the next one to start on. As an aside, I've managed to interest one of the guys that works for me and we are thinking of an experiment as follows: Wrap several thousand turns of small gage wire around an iron bar. Energize the coil and connect a scope across the ends of the bar. Without doing the experiment I would be willing to bet that you will see a current flow through the bar. We will actually get this one tested withing the next week because we have the test equipment on hand in my lab here at work. Later for now. Remember, the view only changes for the lead dog. Thanks for keeping the net alive. =============================================================================== Message 4550 DATE/TIME: 01/25/94 21:53 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : BOB ALDRICH Subject: (R) 3.3 Mhz Battery Charger Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bob! Yes, there is one complete page with several different types of battery chargers that speak of this ability to "replate" batteries...I don't have the catalog or number handy but I thought it odd as this fellow here in Dallas says it is all very new. I have yet to go over to his lab...will keep my eyes peeled for the J.C. Whitney catalog so I can get you the number and/or description...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4551 DATE/TIME: 01/25/94 21:56 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : DOUGLAS GIBBENS Subject: (R) Comment Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Douglas! Well, that paper is about all there is for now, beyond the information that will provide the inspiration or details for certain experiments....glad to hear from you just the same...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4552 DATE/TIME: 01/25/94 21:57 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : KEN WELLS Subject: (R) Level Bump Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Ken! Thanks, there are so many in different places....eventually we will get together, beyond just this form of information exchange...working together, we would be colonizing Mars in 10 years...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4553 DATE/TIME: 01/25/94 21:59 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : BERT POOL Subject: (R) Orgone box Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bert! That triangular thing that Ronnie McWilliams brought to the meeting was an orgone box....one of the reports is that Reich took one over to Einstein who tested it himself and noted a temperature differential but decided not to get involved...the boxes can be built of newspaper and aluminum foil and still get some degree of results...and there is some kind of detector...that in fact, is the basis for the work done by Chuck Shramek on the AURAVIEW detector...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4554 DATE/TIME: 01/25/94 22:01 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : BERT POOL Subject: (R) gifprt50.zip Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bert! Take VUIMG.ZIP, it works...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4556 DATE/TIME: 01/25/94 22:23 From : NORMAN WOOTAN -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: Coaxial Cable Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha" Jerry: Today I went by the "SECRET STORE" and found them throwing spools of coaxialcable in the dumpster for there is no salvage value in it and it takes up too much wharehouse space. Needless to say I drove off with a truck load of it to share with all who are doing "degenerate conductor " experiments. Are you reading this JOEL????? Bert came by tonight and I filled his truck up so his patio is covered with reels of coax. I tried to call you but you were probably preparing to do battle with the establishment (SLEEPING) HA! HA! At any rate there is plenty of coax to go around just sing out if you need any. Yes Bert looked at my TETRAHEDRON device and yes it has a magnetic field around it that takes all the color of a TV screen 12 feet away. Don't worry, I have it in another roomwell away from my computer. I don't have any gold yet but mushrooms dont grow fast either. How is your project going?? Jerry, you should really write a piece on the way the earth gets it's energy- remember in the video about the crystals? Woody Moffitt keeps hitting on the muon based theory of streaming into the north pole of the planet. Little does he realize that the flow goes in the northpole ,crosses the block-wall the exits the south pole and returns to the sun to close the loop. It would be interesting to see your disertation on this very interesting theory. Norm =============================================================================== Message 4557 DATE/TIME: 01/26/94 00:13 From : GERALD O'DOCHARTY -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: Re: Upload of FREEMAN1.ASC Folder : A, "Public Mail" These are some GREAT inventions, wish I had thought of them! HA! -Gerald =============================================================================== Message 4558 DATE/TIME: 01/26/94 02:58 From : BOB ALDRICH -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: (R) 3.3 Mhz Battery Charger Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Jerry, Thank you for checking it out for me.. If it should turn out J.C. Whitney has bowed to pressure to not sell those 3.3 battery chargers, why, I guess the next thing is to get a circuit diagram of one and build it myself. Or I know a fellow who sells printed circuit boards and kits, and he'd be happy to do such a thing. By the way, I just recalled something I intended to tell you about two months ago. You were talking about seeing the dead by looking into a glass in a darkened room. There is a book called "Reunions" about this very thing. The guy is a psychologist or something and I heard him on the local free speech radio channel being interviewed. Did I tell you about this? One person said that her deceased grandson actually came right out of the glass and hugged her, PICKED HER UP and hugged her, as he was wont to do on occasion when alive. Some others said they actually had a physical contact also, but usually they just communicate with their lost ones. I personally believe you could hallucinate even being picked up, but a videotape would solve that question... I certainly believe there is life after death, having had myself a brief experience along these lines. Anyway, looking forward to news on that 3.3 mhz batt charger. I just had an idea. If there was a full page ad on it, certainly they will know what I'm talking about when I call and ask about it tomorrow. I'll do that. Later, Bob =============================================================================== Message 4559 DATE/TIME: 01/26/94 02:59 From : BOB ALDRICH -- RECEIVED -- To : BERT POOL Subject: (R) Orgone box Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bert, I couldn't help getting interested in your messages about orgone energy. I have not personally experienced it or seen it work but a friend of mine recently built a pyramid using aluminum foil 5 layers and wax paper, and wood. It was just barely large enough to get into, and so far everyone who has gotten into it has claimed to feel a VERY definate difference. Not heat, particularly, but just their overall physical sensation, a very high vibration rate and very calm, serene, etc. One of the things that got me interested in this was a picture that was shown to me of a pyramid with a double helix coming out of the top. This photograph was supposedly taken with Kirlian photography. But to me it looked slightly fuzzy, as if an artist drew the image and reduced it into a photograph. Still, it did get my interest. Another thing that got my interest about this was the statement that a dyslexic child was put in one of these orgonian pyramids and the child refused to come out for a month or two. When he finally did he was cured of dyslexia and his I.Q. rating was genius. This is of course hearsay, and I don't know how many people heard it said before I heard it! But there you are! The pyramid was a more or less standard pyramid except that it was built slightly taller than all sides equal so a person could get inside. Also, there were five layers of aluminum foil sandwiched with wax paper and this foil extended to within an inch of the corners. I don't know if the floor was also plated with aluminum foil. Later, Bob =============================================================================== Message 4560 DATE/TIME: 01/26/94 10:37 From : JOEL MCCLAIN -- RECEIVED -- To : BOB ALDRICH Subject: (R) 3.3 Mhz Battery Charger Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bob, I saw the fellow you mentioned on a talk show not long ago, and uploaded a message about him. He's concerned that people will make money from it, but he's on his second book already, so I guess only SOME people should profit. Regardless, according to the people who act as mediums successfully, the profit motivation causes the "power" to diminish, so his third book might not make it to the presses. =============================================================================== Message 4561 DATE/TIME: 01/26/94 10:41 From : JOEL MCCLAIN -- RECEIVED -- To : BOB ALDRICH Subject: (R) Orgone box Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi again, One of the things that you have to be careful of with this is to make sure that the pyramid floor is solidly grounded, else a HUGH capacitance will build up between the pyramid and earth. Jerry knows of a man who got blasted right into the hospital with broken ribs due to this. =============================================================================== Message 4562 DATE/TIME: 01/26/94 10:57 From : BERT POOL -- RECEIVED -- To : JOEL MCCLAIN Subject: Coaxial cable Folder : A, "Public Mail" Joel, I have a couple thousand feet of copper coax in my garage with your name on it. Call me and we'll make arrangements for you to pick it up. My garage is becoming Norm's "remote" treasure depository! My work # is (214) 464-8384, home (817) 367-3462. > Bert =============================================================================== Message 4563 DATE/TIME: 01/26/94 11:04 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : WILLIAM PRICE Subject: (R) Message base index Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi William! Thanks for working on that program, I will check it out. As to you thoughts on the several thousand turns of wire wrapped around an iron bar...are you speaking of a Direct Current flowing through the wire? I think either way, you will get an induced current that will be picked up by the scope...it is essentially a solenoid. There is a fascinating circuit I found in a Navy Electronics book about something called a MAGNETOSTRICTIVE OSCILLATOR. It uses an iron bar or rod, suspended or balanced horizontally on a pivot point. Each end of the bar/rod has an equal number of windings around it and when the windings are pulsed, the bar begins to vibrate as the resonant frequency OF that bar is reached. The bar then becomes the "crystal" or reference....what was so cool, was that you could insert another bar and force the circuit to change its oscillation, though for absolute purity, you had to retune the currents flowing into the windings... Anyway, glad to hear of the InterNet links...I can get a UseNet link for $10 per month, but several folks say they'd rather not be "involved", that is their messages with the InterNet per se....some horror stories about "casual" comments that ended up with folks in major trouble...as I understand it, InterNet is the child or mutation of ARPANET...and that was government infected... Well, no conspiracy in the reasoning, just we don't need any problems beyond what we already have just trying to get things to stay online, open to the interested public and sharing as much as possible... Good luck on your coilbak circuit, I too find that problem with time, but mostly it's just me....lottery tonite is 8 million, lessee, that's about $180,000 per year after taxes...yep, would be an excellent start...hehehe...later...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 4564 DATE/TIME: 01/26/94 11:13 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN Subject: (R) Coaxial Cable Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Norman! The real discoverers of this are Albert Roy Davis and Walter Rawls.....they clearly spell it out in their various books and have long been an inspiration to me...the bloch wall spin is critical to the understanding of many researchers results and leads to manifestation of matter, transmutation of matter, free energy, antigravity, disintegration and rejuvenation...I wrote a paper on it some years ago called RFP1 but on the computer it does not have the diagrams.... There is no question that entire tape needs to be reduced to paper with all the diagrams...and yes, I am working on several versions of the experiment we all thought so highly of...if it works out, next one, can slow step the video camera and see it AS IT HAPPENS when we play it back....but really want to duplicate Mr. (should we say Professor? <g>) Brown's original experiment... I am using a configuration wherein each of the tets lying on the triangle have their TIPS TOUCHING...I think this fits in very well with Keely's contentions of 3rds....note the 1/3 level associated with pyramids, yet with TETS, we have the 60 degree equilateral triangle, thus focussing this mysterious force in the center...well, the winner is the one who can duplicate it and then go beyond...hehehe...you get the drift... I read Bert's note about his garage becoming your "remote" depository...sounds like it might be worth playing with, but right now, I am still working on the Lucid machine and now the TETS...though the TETS are automatic according to the mad Cannuck....later...>>> Jerry ==========
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