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George,
In light of your expectations one could argue that free energy is most
important, well unless people want to live in the dark and only keep
warm and cook with fire. And if one desires to run refigeration...
Have you run across any top notch books on wild edibles or prefer the
web? A good picture book would be nice in case of something like an
Carrington event of man made EMP.
On 12/13/2018 7:22 PM, george gray [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Mick,
>
> Advice on raw plant food is easy to find on the net. There are many
> so-called weeds, which are very nutritious and these grow rapidly and
> are in abundance everywhere; people don't give them a second glance.
> So in hard times we can eat them. The human body does not require a
> lot to eat, we don't need three square meals a day. Just eat when we
> are hungry is the best way.
>
> Things are going to get so chaotic that many people will wish they
> were dead but those who know what is really happening will stand firm
> and keep living if not murdered by someone. Getting out of the city
> is a good thing to do, and also learning how to live off the land
> beforehand by studying what advice is on the net. Simplicity is
> important, just live a simple life during all this upheaval and be
> prepared to lose all possessions because the the government will claim
> all things belong to it. We will own nothing.
>
> Many places will come under Martial law and the defense forces will
> all wear blue hats and be under the control of the UN and God is going
> to make them destroy all false religion from the face of the earth.
> He is going to put His one thought into the hearts and minds of the
> political rulers to carry out their one thought in destroying
> religion. This will be the start of the War of Armageddon and when all
> trace of false religion is gone the politicians will feel very smug
> believing that now they have the whole world under their control
> without the help of the clergy.
>
> Then God carries out the rest of His war and completely destroys the
> political system and locks Satan away from mankind for 1,000 years.
> God will bring to ruin those ruining the earth.
>
> He will then teach us how to manage the earth and restore it to
> paradise conditions where mankind will live forever on earth. Psalm
> 37:29 The righteous themselves will possess the earth and they will
> reside forever upon it.
>
> The quest for free energy becomes of little importance in the light of
> what dangers are fast approaching us.
>
> George
>
> On Friday, 14 December 2018, 10:44:57 am AEDT, Mick [email protected]
> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> George,
>
> What I can comment on from firsthand knowledge is that in Oregon the
> privately held forest land is much better managed. They learned a
> long time ago if they don't replant properly the land becomes
> worthless. It is mostly the BLM (public?) forestry land which is the
> most mismanaged as they just take money from the highest bidder and
> then rip out the trees to chip for the Chinese market. Oregonians who
> live and work in the forest knew about the spotted owl scam by Gore
> and company. They are a fairly common animal. Outsiders were brought
> in in the 70's to begin the process and act like native Oregonians,
> they used fake names and were very paranoid and undercover. Many paid
> protestors suddenly appeared no one knew them from the neighborhoods.
> When they were successful in the government manipulation they left the
> state to the next "project". Now BLM are going into the forest with
> rifles and killing other Owls claiming they are a threat to the
> spotted owl. It is very sick and arrogant behavior by people just
> blindly following orders. This is another example of how feel good
> legislation can change humans into monsters. They also kill swaths of
> tress by injecting roundup into the phloem and cambium. They do not
> pay attention to earth mother or listen to the soul of the forest.
> Anyone one whom does not respect earth mother is a fucking parasite.
> When sitting in on BLM meetings it is so transparent the
> manipulation. They send in professional facilitators who pretend to
> work for BLM and steer the people attending to reaching a
> predetermined outcome. They are very slick and make it seem as though
> the people have come up with this plan for action on their own. The
> latest is called the Wild lands Project and all the musicians, artists
> and hippy types are blindly being led to justify projects to destroy
> infrastructure so humans will be unable to live in these rural places.
> Warren Buffet is behind some of this too.
>
> If biblical or not they are following the Revelations like a movie
> script. Anyhow, yes you are entirely correct, this is the game plan
> some have known about for many years when it was explained by some few
> good elites. It is very sad Sapiens are selling out their own
> children's future for money and power. Many will starve from this
> Chaos. Some of the Elites are against this and they are now forced to
> sit on the sidelines or be financially ruined for even questioning.
> Some will help during the chaos like the underground railroad and it
> will be very anonymous. Each year in the US there is a meeting of all
> the families who are worth one billion or more, it is nothing that has
> been leaked on the internet as security is so intense. There will be
> an economic or transport catastrophe and personal chips will be the
> resolution.
>
> It would be helpful if you could post recommendations of ideas in
> which folks can prepare and save food long term for the raw and vegan
> type diet you support.
>
> I was told one must remain flexible without bending, Flexibility
> without bending!
>
>
> On 12/13/2018 5:32 PM, george gray [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Yes Mick, you are absolutely correct. We do have to manage or control
>> the earth and tend to it. But what I'm trying to get across is the
>> fact that we are mismanaging the earth and the Elite are destroying
>> it in their quest to have complete control of it and us. If we don't
>> control/manage it, then for sure we will have out of control wild
>> fires and also more deserts. My understanding is that within the
>> next 10 years or less the Elite will have caused so much chaos in
>> every country that the people will gladly accept "order out of chaos"
>> by choosing the UN as the one world government. I can see all this
>> from the bible and have been watching it develop for over 60 years.
>>
>> The governments are merely puppets controlled by the Elite, but the
>> Elite are also puppets controlled by Satan the Devil who is
>> misleading the entire inhabited earth. God's war of Armageddon is
>> between God and His angels and the Devil and his angels. God is
>> going to be successful and the Devil is to be cast down and away from
>> mankind for 1,000 years. During the 1,000 years we will bring the
>> whole earth into a paradise so we will all have to learn how to
>> control everything correctly learning about the many cycles of life
>> that exist on earth.
>>
>> The time is short now and the chaos will quickly get much worse all
>> over the earth, so keep your eyes open and just watch how things
>> develop. We cannot stop what has been allowed to be set in motion so
>> we must learn how to bend like a reed so as not to break. Don't try
>> to swim upstream because the current will be too strong and if you
>> put your head up out of the trenches you will get it blown off so to
>> speak. Go with the flow and see if you can live through what is coming.
>>
>> George
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, 13 December 2018, 10:52:43 pm AEDT, Mick Jekyll
>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> George, You forgot one thing, the green vs gold reflection back from
>> the sun. Where there are no trees the temperature rises with places
>> that have the grains that go gold and brown after early spring. A
>> thick forest does need to be tended else it just becomes
>> overgrown.and burns up. Responsible logging and replanting kept the
>> firebreaks and roads we used to use to fight fires in Oregon. Sad to
>> see trees felled but better a few then just burning up whole multiple
>> sections of forests with all the wildlife burned to death too.
>> These idiots are turning central california into a desert, all the
>> tree farms with oranges and nuts have been droughted out by the theft
>> of water from the farmers. It is going to be sand dunes soon. The
>> trappers killed all the beavers and ruined our natural aquifers, now
>> the ecologists want to remove the hydroelectric dams and finish it
>> off with desertification. The fish ladders are all in disrepair and
>> the Salmon cant spawn. This is because the globalist have a
>> wildlands project to renove all people. Idiots forgot about beavers.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 12, 2018, 9:34 PM george gray [email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Good post Ole,
>>
>> The cutting down of trees is one of the most disturbing things to
>> nature. Tree felling, ground clearing, broad acre grain crop
>> farming, and over grazing of animals are the things that start
>> deserts.
>>
>> Trees bring rain and nature cycles the rain according to the
>> trees and the moisture therein. Deserts do not bring rain.
>>
>> In a forest the ground is protected from the sun by the foliage
>> and the litter on the ground and when it rains the water is fully
>> absorbed into the soil.
>>
>> When the land is exposed to the sun and baked it cannot absorb
>> water when it rains and so the road to deserts continues and gets
>> worse with time. Ploughing the ground does great harm in exposing
>> it to the sun.
>>
>> The correct diet for humans is raw fruits, raw vegetables and
>> water. Humans are not designed to eat grains or grain products,
>> which are acid forming in the body and cause the ONE disease with
>> 400 symptoms.
>>
>> Cooked food is a slow poison so we don't need to eat animals or
>> other things which require cooking.
>>
>> By planting billions of fruit trees the earth will be protected
>> from the sun and the deserts can slowly be recovered.
>>
>> For the first 1,656 years up to the flood of Noah people are raw
>> food and lived for well over 900 years.
>>
>> If you study Viktor Schaubeger's writings he was always trying to
>> be in harmony with nature and he understood the cycles of forests
>> and water.
>>
>> There is no other creature on earth that first destroys its food
>> by cooking; humans are the only creatures out of step with nature
>> and also no other adult creature on earth drinks milk.
>>
>> People have been led in all directions away from nature and what
>> is good for us and they are addicted to the unnatural ways of life.
>>
>> However Agenda 2030 with the UN in control of the earth for a
>> little while is not far off, and that makes God's war of
>> Armageddon a close reality now, so we can all learn how to live
>> healthy lives in the not too distant future.
>>
>> George
>>
>> On Thursday, 13 December 2018, 10:45:07 am AEDT,
>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Viktor Schauberger studied nature and was convinced that
>> explosive energy sources violated nature. Schaubergers home power
>> plant and levitating technology used implosion. He warned that
>> nature would be destroyed the air would be unbreathable and the
>> water dead if continuing with using more and more explosion
>> energy. The explosive principle decomposes matter while the
>> implosion principle builds up matter. I don't know if he has been
>> proven wrong or right but as a human I would rather breath oxygen
>> than CO2. If I was a tree I would probably prefer CO2 instead.
>> The problem is that the balance of the atmosphere is changing
>> faster than the evolution of humans.. Thus will we be able to
>> live at this planet that is changing faster than ever? The weaker
>> species are already dispreading at alarming rates. Will we be the
>> next one?
>>
>> Schauberger and many others have shown alternatives to explosion
>> energy. If nobody can guarantee that it isn't necessary for
>> coming generations to be able to live here we really shouldn't
>> work against nature. Nature probably will win no mater what we
>> do. The problem is is it with us or without us in the equation.
>> It is said that thousands die because of breathing polluted air
>> in the cities. Some cities have achieved much cleaner air making
>> it easier to have long lives in them. Because lots of people make
>> their living using destructive technology doesn't mean they will
>> survive in the long run when destroying the planet they live on.
>>
>> Even the more and more destructive weather is said to be natures
>> way of trying to re-balance itself. The more we disturb nature
>> the more nature tries to balance itself even if this means
>> destroying humankind.
>>
>> Instead of eating cows just eat less cow which makes a difference
>> in the number of cows. As the Chinese are getting richer they
>> also eat more meat. So should they increase their level to the
>> level of the most cow eating nations or should the most cow
>> eating nations decline in the amount of cows to solve the
>> problem? I don't see increasing the level helps solve the problem
>> even for the people that wants to survive.
>>
>> Regards
>> Ole
>>
>>
>>
>> ---In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
>> <nwootan@...> <mailto:nwootan@...> wrote :
>>
>> Study NATURE. Simple fact is that the volcanoes around the
>> planet place more green house gases into stratosphere than has
>> mankind since we have been on earth. Simple fact. Read just one
>> example. https://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/1997/fs113-97/
>>
>> Now consider a much worse green house gas (25X worse than CO2) ,
>> Methane, which is released from the frozen methane hydrate off
>> the Continental shelf and the Arctic tundra. See
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane_clathrate
>>
>> And the idiots want to legislate COW FARTS. YES, Mars has a
>> CO2 atmosphere due to all the SUVs running around up there.
>>
>> On 12/11/2018 7:42 PM, Mick mkjekyll@... <mailto:mkjekyll@...>
>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ole,
>>>
>>> Go check the math the man made CO2 causing a problem is a farce.
>>>
>>> CO2 which only emits at three hi Q nodes 10 point something
>>> microns 5 and one more is being calculated as a full
>>> bandwidth black body radiator, secondly there is no
>>> distinction between night and daytime in the calcs.
>>> Infra red is 1mm to 700 nanometers far wider than the 3
>>> infra red nodes of excited CO2. It takes a good amount of
>>> energy to excite co2 to release any energy. Pretty much all
>>> the heat re-radiated by Co2 will take place within 10 meters
>>> of the ground. About the height of most trees.
>>>
>>> Any child knows a cloud passing overhead cools, only at
>>> night can water vapor the largest greenhouse gas trap and
>>> reflect energy. CO2 weighs more than nitrogen, it stays
>>> where plants like to turn it back to oxygen. In fact there
>>> is a lake in Africa that is volcanic and burps CO2. When
>>> this happens it travels into the valleys and suffocates all
>>> the local villages humans and animals, because it is too
>>> heavy to rise and displaces the oxygen and nitrogen.
>>> The ice core samples were flipped the wrong way initially it
>>> was reported that CO2 increase then temp increase. Actually
>>> C02 increase was lagging the global heating by 600 or so
>>> years in the ice samples, did any revisions take place in
>>> the science, not at all, none I could find anyways.
>>>
>>> Man made Co2 levels may be 3 percent of total, fluctuations
>>> from fires and volcanoes can often vary 20 percent from the
>>> normal natural levels that are a hell of a lot higher than
>>> the 3 percent of human use.
>>>
>>> When one is a professor one only is awarded grants based on
>>> what the think tanks dictate, this is why no alternative
>>> energy as we are familiar with here is ever funded. Yes I
>>> think all of us at this site want petroleum energy to go the
>>> way of the dinosaurs, but CO2 isn't the problem. Carbon
>>> monoxide, sulfur dioxide, and many others are actually a
>>> poison not a symbiotic biological as is Co2
>>>
>>> Now for the reality, when all the outlook is bad and fearful
>>> the sky is falling, nothing like Hey we can now grow crops
>>> at further northern latitudes!, or we are using less energy
>>> heating our homes. No instead it's all gloom and doom and
>>> fear based and the seas are rising etc etc. When one sees a
>>> binary conscientious one should expect to be bent over
>>> without lube.
>>>
>>> So Al Gore and James blood create a futures exchange to
>>> trade carbon credit so one need only pay them to pollute
>>> more, hey problem solved just sign on the dotted line. Most
>>> of the industry has been moved to China and India, they are
>>> exempted from the carbon emission limitations. Sound like a
>>> scam yet.
>>> We are about to hit a bifurcation point when the weather
>>> goes the other way and not slowly, quickly like turning a
>>> thermostat. All the global warming distopian fear will be
>>> replaced by wishing it will heat up instead. Sapiens are
>>> really an arrogant lot, pretending they can determine a
>>> problem of this magnitude with a temporal limited data set
>>> built on a pathetic excuse for the scientific process in
>>> which empirical thought has been completely disregarded
>>> because the top of the pyramid has a plan for us all. Have
>>> a view at odds to conscientious and one is labeled a heretic
>>> or a denier. Sounds like the Spanish inquisition. Throw
>>> another Bruno on the fire, we need some heat...
>>>
>>> Now lets talk about real problems, bunker oil running the
>>> super cargo ships. About 18 of these ships produce enough
>>> pollution in our oceans as all the cars combined on the
>>> planet, there are hundreds of these, maybe thousands
>>> shitting up the ocean with fuels so thick one can walk on it
>>> until it is preheated to burn in the engines. Fracking
>>> causing the poisoning of our water tables across the planet
>>> but the EPA will not lift a hand because the fracking
>>> chemicals are a secret protected intellectual property so
>>> they allegedly can't know if they are damaging. The
>>> contrails from the new turbine bypass engines which burn
>>> much cooler hence stay suspended much longer are changing
>>> the planets temperature bigtime. It was measured when
>>> during 911 no planes were flying.
>>>
>>> I like CO2 and believe it to be a cooling gas based on my
>>> work with flowing gas CO2 lasers. It makes plants grow and
>>> replaces out gassed and burned oxygen from our atmosphere so
>>> we can live, no CO2 no oxygen. None of the claims from
>>> Gores silly movie have happened yet as the sea was supposed
>>> to rise many feet by now. A few MM over the last hundred
>>> years it has actually been measured to rise. The polar bears
>>> are all drowned, even though they can swim hundreds of miles
>>> in a go.
>>>
>>> I am glad your country produces clean energy, this is
>>> something we should all aspire to but I will pray to keep my
>>> CO2 and revel in natures power as each season of change the
>>> CO2 is released and then re-absorbed and transmuted into
>>> breathable oxygen.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/11/2018 7:48 AM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...>
>>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Mick,
>>>>
>>>> "Free markets rather than socially overseen bullshit ones
>>>> like UN fucking carbon credits where CO2 is now some
>>>> pollutant but paying Gore will fix the problem."
>>>> Our government has come up with a climate plan that experts
>>>> as well as industry says isn't ambitious enough to solve
>>>> the problem. The glaciers of Greenland are melting at
>>>> increasing rates. The permafrost of Siberia is melting too
>>>> causing huge releases of methane gas which is a much worse
>>>> greenhouse gas than CO2. The CO2 level is at an extreme
>>>> height. The melting of the ice of Greenland will cause big
>>>> trouble for many highly populated areas along coastlines.
>>>> This may cause millions of refugees from big cities when
>>>> becoming uninhabitable. Therefore it is much cheaper to do
>>>> something about the problem now than waiting a decade to
>>>> solve it. This will make lots of jobs in creating solutions
>>>> instead of having to evacuate big cities and coastlines. My
>>>> small country is great in the world of producing wind
>>>> turbines and energy efficient technology. We really need
>>>> such non fossil energy alternatives if we want to still
>>>> live above sea level. Evacuating a country and its high
>>>> infrastructure will be quite expensive. Besides where
>>>> should all the people go when lots of area will be affected
>>>> in other countries too? To make the wind power industry was
>>>> expensive for the tax payers but now it is a big export
>>>> article making the investment pay back as well as having
>>>> free energy and cleaner air.
>>>>
>>>> The idea with the CO2 tax is to force people away from
>>>> increasing the already huge fossil energy problem as well
>>>> as paying for solutions. Investing the money in cleaner
>>>> technology in the most polluting countries gives the best
>>>> climate payback. Of course taxes aren't good in corrupt
>>>> places. Thus first get rid of corruption which requires
>>>> open systems.
>>>>
>>>> Countries like India China Russia and USA have great
>>>> potential to reduce CO2 emissions.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Ole
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---In [email protected]
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>>> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>
>>>> Kone,
>>>>
>>>> I agree with your assessment and don't believe anyone
>>>> should own resources outside their own country, perhaps a
>>>> limited lease in exchange for building the infrastructure.
>>>> There is greed and lack of ethics in all systems socialist
>>>> or capitalist.
>>>>
>>>> Crony capitalism is evil. War economies are evil,
>>>> unchecked profit without ethics is evil. Lack of
>>>> competition due to monopoly is evil. A system where one is
>>>> able to live free and build competitive business in an
>>>> ethical way is the ultimate for human ascendance.
>>>> Unfortunately the US has been taken over by greedy people
>>>> without ethics. The government in Venezuela is fucked,
>>>> this is why we have so many people migrating to Colombia
>>>> starving and looking for work. I speak to these people
>>>> every day, no bullshit. It is not the US fault what
>>>> happened it is the fault of greedy pig socialist same as
>>>> greedy pig capitalist.
>>>>
>>>> Venezuela was a paradise and then the dictator forced out
>>>> all the oil company engineers and other Venezuelan business
>>>> professionals who knew what they were doing in order to
>>>> give high paying jobs to military politicos who did not
>>>> know shit but could protect his ass. All the profitable
>>>> businesses were socialized in these ways. From what the
>>>> Venezuelan doctor told me the roots of all of the downfall
>>>> was promulgated the most by Cuban social engineering much
>>>> more so than US spook shit, though that was dirty pool no
>>>> doubt. Poor people who do not fight to better themselves
>>>> or are limited for other reasons will always vote for the
>>>> most free shit but someone has to pay for it, sooner or
>>>> later all the good businesses leave and their are no jobs.
>>>> Free markets rather than socially overseen bullshit ones
>>>> like UN fucking carbon credits where CO2 is now some
>>>> pollutant but paying Gore will fix the problem. Total
>>>> socialist top down control based business model. The
>>>> places I go where one can live well and has the best access
>>>> to goods and services are free market vertically
>>>> integrated, all the socialist top down controlled have much
>>>> less options to a person willing to perform learn and
>>>> grow. Unfortunately some people elicit a failure to
>>>> thrive, in nature same thing happens with animals,
>>>> existence takes fucking hard work.
>>>>
>>>> Doesn't matter the system human frailty is the sad part.
>>>> Ideally we should have no government and be self governing
>>>> but sapiens are not grounded and ethical enough yet and
>>>> likely never will be as long as they are taught UNESCO all
>>>> suffering is due to someone else and they are simply
>>>> victims of circumstance. The truth about Venezuela is
>>>> assholes took over and destroyed a healthy economy. There
>>>> were CIA shenanigans for sure but this is not the reason
>>>> for the place sucking now. Also Ecuador is changing to
>>>> this shitty system where the socialist government thinks
>>>> they can fix everything by taxing business's. No one we
>>>> spoke with who owned a pizza place or a market etc were
>>>> using bank accounts anymore because their money kept being
>>>> appropriated for public works with higher taxes every few
>>>> months. It is in a sad state now full of crime and hateful
>>>> victim mentality. Barely any selection at markets many
>>>> shelves are not stocked. Businesses are being forced
>>>> offshore or closing so there is the truth witnessed
>>>> firsthand. Being that I live in South America I have the
>>>> opportunity to assess these issues first hand.
>>>>
>>>> On 12/10/2018 4:15 PM, konehead@... <mailto:konehead@...>
>>>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Pure bullshit propaganda "socialist" government being
>>>>> cause of big problems in venezuala. The fucking
>>>>> capitalist war monger pigs in wadhington dc are the
>>>>> problem, blockading, sanctioning. Starvng, sending
>>>>> in.metcenarie ( paid terrorists) from Columbia and
>>>>> whoever wants to make a CIA buck killing innocent plus
>>>>> Supposed humanitarian NGOs paying protestrs to start
>>>>> riots and all the other shit capitalist profit first
>>>>> evil pigs from hell will do.
>>>>> Its all standard procedure for CIA and State
>>>>> department anytime a "socialist" government .voted
>>>>> into office tells US capitalist orporations to get the
>>>>> fuck out of their country and will never allow US
>>>>> military base on their soil.
>>>>> Imagine the gal l to kick out US corporations who say
>>>>> they "own" land and industry in a country and give the
>>>>> land and industry to the citizens of the country!!
>>>>> Fuck that is reason to invade kill thousands of
>>>>> socialist peasants who would be better off dead than
>>>>> communist sympathizers eh...
>>>>>
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