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Norm,
So how does the phase change and expansion of water with some antifreeze
compare to the refrigerant in a partial vacuum system with the TT?
I know water expansion during phase change is one of the highest so the
contraction should be of similar ratio. Is maintaining the proper phase
change vapor density along with maintaining the shockwave location
difficult?
Is the TT another "narrowband high Q" design best run at constant RPM that
needs to be load tuned?
When is disk to spacer width defined, is this vapor density dependant?
On Thu, Dec 13, 2018, 7:22 AM Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Since I am a graduate of Embry Riddle Aeronautical University and spent
> practically a life-time in Aeronautics, I tend to understand the operation
> of this turbine as Nikola Tesla designed it and not like the shade tree
> builders envision it. The Schifrin Photography of super-sonic air flow
> over airfoils back in the day of NACA before NASA. opened the door of
> understanding just how Tesla's Turbine really worked.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_turbine
>
> Quote, A Tesla turbine consists of a set of smooth disks, with nozzles
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nozzle> applying a moving fluid to the
> edge of the disk.
>
> DeLeval nozzle designed to achieve sonic velocities and energy conversion
> in throat choking. see diagram
>
> Red line is Temperature and Green line is pressure both are called
> Potential Energy. The Blue line is Kinetic Energy and with proper throat
> design for a given condition you can achieve a near complete conversion of
> Energy from Potential to Kinetic. The Tesla nozzle was tune-able to
> achieve these conditions.
>
> In Fig 4 Tesla depicted the tune-able DeLeval throat to achieve the sonic
> velocities needed to drive the disk with shock wave adhesion.
>
> For super high efficiencies, the Tesla Turbine must be operated with a
> condense-able fluid, water to steam back to water. My condenser operated
> at around 40 degrees F. (partial vacuum). My operating fluid was
> Refrigerant R-113 which gave me a vapor density greater than air and was
> condense-able below the boiling point of 117 degree F.
>
> This turbine can also be applied to condensing plants operating with high
> vacuum. In such a case, owing to the very great expansion ratio, the
> exhaust mixture will be at a relatively low temperature and suitable for
> admission to the condenser.
> On 12/12/2018 2:54 PM, Norman Wootan wrote:
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> Mick, Tesla knew DeLeval and since Allis Chalmers, Millwakee,WI was
> already employing the nozzles in their commercial turbines, he went to them
> to build his Turbines and test them.
>
> https://www.autoevolution.com/news/nikola-tesla-s-revolutionary-engine-still-lies-untouched-here-s-how-it-works-112254.html
>
> The Turbine tested by Con Edison, NY 200 HP
> The Allis-Chalmers version, 1 0f 3 built. 500 HP
>
>
> On 12/12/2018 9:12 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
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> Mick, WRONG on your ideas regarding the Tesla Turbine operating
> principles. In my presentation at the Steven Elswick, Tesla Tech
> Conference, 2016, I went into great detail as to the operating principles
> of Teslas' Turbine which is nothing like you see, so called experts
> claiming. (Reason why I wanted Doug to Post the DVD on YouTube). First of
> all, to achieve the fantastic efficiencies that Tesla got was to understand
> super sonic shock waves that adhere to the smooth disk boundary layer.
> DeLeval developed the nozzle for rockets to achieve the thrust needed for
> flight which was quickly picked up on by Robert Goddard. A properly
> designed Tesla Turbine has DeLeval nozzles which operate at about 1400
> ft./sec. velocities which is just above super sonic velocity. A short
> distance from the nozzle the driving gases transition to sub-sonic velocity
> forming a transition shock wave which imparts the full kinetic energy of
> the gases to the moving disk. Remember that you are converting POTENTIAL
> ENERGY (high pressure gas in steam chest) into KINETIC ENERGY super sonic
> gas flow. NO ONE understands this basic principle. Steven Elswick, Tesla
> Tech has my DVD for sale.
>
>
>
>
> [image: enter image description here]
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_engine_nozzle
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Laval_nozzle
>
> Do some reading and understand the terminology such as CHOKED FLOW to
> achieve super-sonic velocities.
> Mick, It is all in your basic research and understanding.
>
> On 12/11/2018 5:05 PM, Mick Jekyll [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>
>
> Norman,
> Fantastic projects you have been involved with. Have had many mental
> exercises in advances to the boundary layer turbine. One of which is a
> more parabolic funnel type core with graduated sized disks and the variable
> nozzle addition similar to the latest Porsche turbochargers that overcome
> turbo lag. Also variable disk spacing would be trick but more to go wrong.
> So in essence a bit of Schauberger thrown in with Tesla for good measure.
> A tad bit more complex. Sounds as if you have had similar thoughts and
> already engineered something from both camps of thought.
>
> On Dec 11, 2018 9:39 AM, "Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> When Looking back into the 20 plus years of files, documentation, e-mail
>> and Keely Net BBS dialog files,it would be a crying shame for all of this
>> valuable and informative data to be lost. I have decided to post,
>> incrementally a lot of information onto this group site for your research
>> use if you choose. In retrospect, I have realized that many folks out
>> there have stolen ideas, Patents etc. from those of us that have given
>> information freely as did Tesla and even Hector. I have always tried to
>> share knowledge for the benefit of all.
>>
>>
>> Norman L. Wootan
>>
>> 13723 Lynndale Loop
>>
>> Abbeville, LA 70510
>>
>> [email protected]
>>
>> (214)907-0010
>>
>>
>>
>> Time line development of Technologies related to “VES” Green Energy
>> Systems
>>
>> The “Implosion Vortex Reactor” (IVR) was the starting block of technology
>> for the VES program.
>>
>> Due to my visit with Jim, in his home in CA. in the summer of 2001
>> searching for an “ultra high temp.” ceramic material, his intense interest
>> was “tweaked” in this technology!
>>
>> I digress here: In 1980, I was developing the methodology for making
>> hydrogen gas from basic carbon and water in a unique type of reactor
>> vessel. In 1994, I machined and assembled the first prototype 304 stainless
>> “Implosion Vortex Reactor”. Was not able to arouse any interest in the
>> technology here in the US. An Investor Group in Berlin GE invited Me
>> in 2001 to fly to Berlin and do a formal presentation of the technology at
>> which time the Patent process was begun and funding for the project was set
>> up. I went to Carson City NV. And set up the necessary Wells Fargo account
>> and Incorporation for the funding to proceed. A 5200 sq. ft. Research
>> lab was constructed on my 52 acre farm at Hubbard, TX for the purpose of
>> prototype development. I was in weekly contact with Jim due to his
>> interest in the Project. In 2005, the Project was funded ($1.5 million)
>> by GAZPROM, Russia being represented by Her Deitsmar. My prototype
>> development was funded at the $250,000 level. While I was machining out the
>> two prototypes (one from 6061 aluminum to develop the CAD specs and
>> drawings, and the second working, “proof of concept reactor” from 310
>> stainless steel) Jim asked me to assist him in the construction of a Vapor
>> Infusion Furnace at Carbondale, IL so that he could produce a needed
>> densified ceramic reactor unit! I have provided you in previous
>> documentation the background info on this Program at SICU. In which we had
>> a working agreement with the University. In the spring of 2006, at the
>> “Proof of concept” test of stainless IVR attended by 6 Engineers and
>> Investor representatives from Europe it was learned that John MacAllen
>> Funding and Project coordinator has misappropriated $1.2 million of the
>> Project funds. He had moved to the US from Berlin, GE and purchased a home
>> and yacht in Florida of which we had a satellite photo of home and boat in
>> the slip. GAZPROM, Russia took legal action against MacAllen and took
>> possession of both prototypes and Patent Rights. See: both Euro and
>> U.S. Patents. In the spring of 2006, Jim and I agreed to pursue the IVR
>> technology using the JEP Patent Process to Patent around my basic patents.
>> Jim had the technology to produce the required densified ceramics so as to
>> operate the IVR at the optimum thermal environment. It was our intention to
>> build out our version of the “Implosion Vortex Reactor” at the envisioned
>> Victorville, CA Lab Complex when the project was adequately funded. To that
>> end, Jim was working his heart out! Since I designed the IVR and wrote
>> the Patents, I left a lot of the “technology” undisclosed so as to have the
>> latitude for the JEP Patent Process which Jim wanted to do with our Patent
>> Attorney. Jim gave me the big “atta boy” for having the forsight and
>> thinking ahead! I have a complete historical book of the whole Project
>> with all the Contact Letters with both US Government and Industrial
>> Investors. I hand delivered a complete set of these documents to the
>> George Bush Western Whitehouse at Crawford, TX for our President to review.
>> The same docs were provided to DOE, Newt Gingrich and Senator Byrd of WVA.
>> This will give you a great deal of insight into the IVR portion of our
>> “VES” Program!
>>
>>
>>
>> Next! The “Implosion Vortex Turbine” our “Prime Mover”(my vastly
>> improved Tesla Turbine)
>>
>> To be continued in next message:
>>
>> Time line development of Technologies related to “VES” Green Energy
>> Systems
>>
>> This is the second Technology for the “VES” Project: The Implosion
>> Vortex Turbine.
>>
>> Since back in the early 70’s I have been an “avid” Researcher in the
>> Technology of Nikola Tesla. I have everything that has ever been
>> written by or about this “genius”. Of very special interest was his
>> Boundary Layer Turbine which he patented in 1913. After doing
>> extensive research into this very efficient turbine unit I quickly came to
>> the conclusion that all that were writing about or researching this device
>> did not fully understand just how it worked for Tesla was very “shrewd” in
>> writing his patents and never divulged all of the technology! I went to
>> the very “top” internet sites and publications regarding the subject
>> turbine and found that no one had a “clue’ as to how it really was intended
>> to work at the “super high thermal conversion” figures. Bendix Corp.
>> tested a 500HP version of this turbine being operated on steam and was
>> astounded with the results. This turbine was abandoned early due to the
>> lack of the proper metallurgy needed in the runners (disk) which had the
>> needed stress modulus. Due to my background and Degree in the
>> Aeronautical Discipline I fully understood just how the Boundary Layer
>> Effect was utilized by Tesla to achieve the phenomenal thermal efficiency.
>> In 1994, same shop that I machined the IVR unit; I built a museum quality
>> Tesla Turbine to demonstrate the technology. I filed with the US Patent
>> office the Patent Disclosure of a new very unique new hub design that
>> eliminated all the labyrinth seal design of Tesla and booster the
>> operational efficiency and simplified the construction of said turbine. At
>> the International Tesla Conference, Colorado Springs, 1995, I donated this
>> Tesla Turbine along with the Patent Disclosure to the museum and it went on
>> display and was demonstrated to all museum visitors.
>>
>> After Jim and I addressed the IVR under “VES” his next question was
>> “Norm, how are we going to utilize the thermal output of the IVR for power
>> generation”? My answer, Tesla Boundary Layer Turbine, to which Jim
>> said, “Please educate me for I have not heard of this before”. I sent
>> to Jim all the documentation and drawings along with stress analytical
>> formulas for the high speed disk utilized in the turbine. Since this
>> turbine operates at such high speeds, Jim quickly showed me the stress
>> calculations for runners (disk) that he would produce in carbon/carbon
>> composite that would successfully operate in the required environment and
>> would be impervious to erosion and could be surface finished at the micron
>> level. I laid out in “Flow block” diagrams, the operation of the
>> Boundary layer Turbine utilizing a high density refrigerant that had the
>> operational characteristics we needed for a low pressure, low temperature
>> very efficient turbine. To achieve the “off the charts” thermal
>> efficiency, advanced Mechanical Vapor Recompression (MVR) Industrial Heat
>> pumping technology will be incorporated into the System. We are able to
>> achieve a very conservative COP of 20:1 Energy in vs. thermal output. This
>> is totally achievable in the modern Heat pump Technology! (MVR) Heat
>> Pump technology will be address in next segment. Our system is a huge shift
>> from the current steam turbines which all operate at very high pressures
>> and very high temperatures so as to maximize the extraction or conversion
>> of thermal energy into mechanical energy to drive the generators (really
>> alternators). “Carnot’ cycle” or method of calculating system thermal
>> efficiency. Our System operates at relatively low pressures and
>> temperatures vastly simplifying design, fabrication and operation and
>> practically eliminates most maintenance requirements. Both Jim and I have
>> all the documentation of this System in our files! This is a unique
>> System approach to be prototyped and Patent Apply for at the Victorville
>> Facility.
>>
>> No one has put together the “blocks” for such a System that has such very
>> high performance and efficiency.
>>
>>
>>
>> Next segment: MVR
>>
>> ...
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