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George, You forgot one thing, the green vs gold reflection back from the
sun. Where there are no trees the temperature rises with places that have
the grains that go gold and brown after early spring. A thick forest does
need to be tended else it just becomes overgrown.and burns up. Responsible
logging and replanting kept the firebreaks and roads we used to use to
fight fires in Oregon. Sad to see trees felled but better a few then just
burning up whole multiple sections of forests with all the wildlife burned
to death too.
These idiots are turning central california into a desert, all the tree
farms with oranges and nuts have been droughted out by the theft of water
from the farmers. It is going to be sand dunes soon. The trappers killed
all the beavers and ruined our natural aquifers, now the ecologists want to
remove the hydroelectric dams and finish it off with desertification. The
fish ladders are all in disrepair and the Salmon cant spawn. This is
because the globalist have a wildlands project to renove all people.
Idiots forgot about beavers.
On Wed, Dec 12, 2018, 9:34 PM george gray [email protected]
[EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
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> Good post Ole,
>
> The cutting down of trees is one of the most disturbing things to nature.
> Tree felling, ground clearing, broad acre grain crop farming, and over
> grazing of animals are the things that start deserts.
>
> Trees bring rain and nature cycles the rain according to the trees and the
> moisture therein. Deserts do not bring rain.
>
> In a forest the ground is protected from the sun by the foliage and the
> litter on the ground and when it rains the water is fully absorbed into the
> soil.
>
> When the land is exposed to the sun and baked it cannot absorb water when
> it rains and so the road to deserts continues and gets worse with time.
> Ploughing the ground does great harm in exposing it to the sun.
>
> The correct diet for humans is raw fruits, raw vegetables and water.
> Humans are not designed to eat grains or grain products, which are acid
> forming in the body and cause the ONE disease with 400 symptoms.
>
> Cooked food is a slow poison so we don't need to eat animals or other
> things which require cooking.
>
> By planting billions of fruit trees the earth will be protected from the
> sun and the deserts can slowly be recovered.
>
> For the first 1,656 years up to the flood of Noah people are raw food and
> lived for well over 900 years.
>
> If you study Viktor Schaubeger's writings he was always trying to be in
> harmony with nature and he understood the cycles of forests and water.
>
> There is no other creature on earth that first destroys its food by
> cooking; humans are the only creatures out of step with nature and also no
> other adult creature on earth drinks milk.
>
> People have been led in all directions away from nature and what is good
> for us and they are addicted to the unnatural ways of life.
>
> However Agenda 2030 with the UN in control of the earth for a little while
> is not far off, and that makes God's war of Armageddon a close reality now,
> so we can all learn how to live healthy lives in the not too distant future.
>
> George
>
> On Thursday, 13 December 2018, 10:45:07 am AEDT, [email protected]
> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
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> Viktor Schauberger studied nature and was convinced that explosive energy
> sources violated nature. Schaubergers home power plant and levitating
> technology used implosion. He warned that nature would be destroyed the air
> would be unbreathable and the water dead if continuing with using more and
> more explosion energy. The explosive principle decomposes matter while the
> implosion principle builds up matter. I don't know if he has been proven
> wrong or right but as a human I would rather breath oxygen than CO2. If I
> was a tree I would probably prefer CO2 instead. The problem is that the
> balance of the atmosphere is changing faster than the evolution of humans.
> Thus will we be able to live at this planet that is changing faster than
> ever? The weaker species are already dispreading at alarming rates. Will we
> be the next one?
>
> Schauberger and many others have shown alternatives to explosion energy.
> If nobody can guarantee that it isn't necessary for coming generations to
> be able to live here we really shouldn't work against nature. Nature
> probably will win no mater what we do. The problem is is it with us or
> without us in the equation. It is said that thousands die because of
> breathing polluted air in the cities. Some cities have achieved much
> cleaner air making it easier to have long lives in them. Because lots of
> people make their living using destructive technology doesn't mean they
> will survive in the long run when destroying the planet they live on.
>
> Even the more and more destructive weather is said to be natures way of
> trying to re-balance itself. The more we disturb nature the more nature
> tries to balance itself even if this means destroying humankind.
>
> Instead of eating cows just eat less cow which makes a difference in the
> number of cows. As the Chinese are getting richer they also eat more meat.
> So should they increase their level to the level of the most cow eating
> nations or should the most cow eating nations decline in the amount of cows
> to solve the problem? I don't see increasing the level helps solve the
> problem even for the people that wants to survive.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :
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> Study NATURE. Simple fact is that the volcanoes around the planet place
> more green house gases into stratosphere than has mankind since we have
> been on earth. Simple fact. Read just one example.
> https://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/1997/fs113-97/
>
> Now consider a much worse green house gas (25X worse than CO2) , Methane,
> which is released from the frozen methane hydrate off the Continental shelf
> and the Arctic tundra. See
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane_clathrate
>
> And the idiots want to legislate COW FARTS. YES, Mars has a CO2
> atmosphere due to all the SUVs running around up there.
> On 12/11/2018 7:42 PM, Mick mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
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> Ole,
>
> Go check the math the man made CO2 causing a problem is a farce.
>
> CO2 which only emits at three hi Q nodes 10 point something microns 5 and
> one more is being calculated as a full bandwidth black body radiator,
> secondly there is no distinction between night and daytime in the calcs.
> Infra red is 1mm to 700 nanometers far wider than the 3 infra red nodes of
> excited CO2. It takes a good amount of energy to excite co2 to release any
> energy. Pretty much all the heat re-radiated by Co2 will take place within
> 10 meters of the ground. About the height of most trees.
>
> Any child knows a cloud passing overhead cools, only at night can water
> vapor the largest greenhouse gas trap and reflect energy. CO2 weighs more
> than nitrogen, it stays where plants like to turn it back to oxygen. In
> fact there is a lake in Africa that is volcanic and burps CO2. When this
> happens it travels into the valleys and suffocates all the local villages
> humans and animals, because it is too heavy to rise and displaces the
> oxygen and nitrogen.
> The ice core samples were flipped the wrong way initially it was reported
> that CO2 increase then temp increase. Actually C02 increase was lagging
> the global heating by 600 or so years in the ice samples, did any revisions
> take place in the science, not at all, none I could find anyways.
>
> Man made Co2 levels may be 3 percent of total, fluctuations from fires and
> volcanoes can often vary 20 percent from the normal natural levels that are
> a hell of a lot higher than the 3 percent of human use.
>
> When one is a professor one only is awarded grants based on what the think
> tanks dictate, this is why no alternative energy as we are familiar with
> here is ever funded. Yes I think all of us at this site want petroleum
> energy to go the way of the dinosaurs, but CO2 isn't the problem. Carbon
> monoxide, sulfur dioxide, and many others are actually a poison not a
> symbiotic biological as is Co2
>
> Now for the reality, when all the outlook is bad and fearful the sky is
> falling, nothing like Hey we can now grow crops at further northern
> latitudes!, or we are using less energy heating our homes. No instead it's
> all gloom and doom and fear based and the seas are rising etc etc. When
> one sees a binary conscientious one should expect to be bent over without
> lube.
>
> So Al Gore and James blood create a futures exchange to trade carbon
> credit so one need only pay them to pollute more, hey problem solved just
> sign on the dotted line. Most of the industry has been moved to China and
> India, they are exempted from the carbon emission limitations. Sound like
> a scam yet.
> We are about to hit a bifurcation point when the weather goes the other
> way and not slowly, quickly like turning a thermostat. All the global
> warming distopian fear will be replaced by wishing it will heat up
> instead. Sapiens are really an arrogant lot, pretending they can determine
> a problem of this magnitude with a temporal limited data set built on a
> pathetic excuse for the scientific process in which empirical thought has
> been completely disregarded because the top of the pyramid has a plan for
> us all. Have a view at odds to conscientious and one is labeled a heretic
> or a denier. Sounds like the Spanish inquisition. Throw another Bruno on
> the fire, we need some heat...
>
> Now lets talk about real problems, bunker oil running the super cargo
> ships. About 18 of these ships produce enough pollution in our oceans as
> all the cars combined on the planet, there are hundreds of these, maybe
> thousands shitting up the ocean with fuels so thick one can walk on it
> until it is preheated to burn in the engines. Fracking causing the
> poisoning of our water tables across the planet but the EPA will not lift a
> hand because the fracking chemicals are a secret protected intellectual
> property so they allegedly can't know if they are damaging. The contrails
> from the new turbine bypass engines which burn much cooler hence stay
> suspended much longer are changing the planets temperature bigtime. It was
> measured when during 911 no planes were flying.
>
> I like CO2 and believe it to be a cooling gas based on my work with
> flowing gas CO2 lasers. It makes plants grow and replaces out gassed and
> burned oxygen from our atmosphere so we can live, no CO2 no oxygen. None
> of the claims from Gores silly movie have happened yet as the sea was
> supposed to rise many feet by now. A few MM over the last hundred years it
> has actually been measured to rise. The polar bears are all drowned, even
> though they can swim hundreds of miles in a go.
>
> I am glad your country produces clean energy, this is something we should
> all aspire to but I will pray to keep my CO2 and revel in natures power as
> each season of change the CO2 is released and then re-absorbed and
> transmuted into breathable oxygen.
>
>
> On 12/11/2018 7:48 AM, onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
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> Hi Mick,
>
> "Free markets rather than socially overseen bullshit ones like UN fucking
> carbon credits where CO2 is now some pollutant but paying Gore will fix the
> problem."
> Our government has come up with a climate plan that experts as well as
> industry says isn't ambitious enough to solve the problem. The glaciers of
> Greenland are melting at increasing rates. The permafrost of Siberia is
> melting too causing huge releases of methane gas which is a much worse
> greenhouse gas than CO2. The CO2 level is at an extreme height. The melting
> of the ice of Greenland will cause big trouble for many highly populated
> areas along coastlines. This may cause millions of refugees from big cities
> when becoming uninhabitable. Therefore it is much cheaper to do something
> about the problem now than waiting a decade to solve it. This will make
> lots of jobs in creating solutions instead of having to evacuate big cities
> and coastlines. My small country is great in the world of producing wind
> turbines and energy efficient technology. We really need such non fossil
> energy alternatives if we want to still live above sea level. Evacuating a
> country and its high infrastructure will be quite expensive. Besides where
> should all the people go when lots of area will be affected in other
> countries too? To make the wind power industry was expensive for the tax
> payers but now it is a big export article making the investment pay back as
> well as having free energy and cleaner air.
>
> The idea with the CO2 tax is to force people away from increasing the
> already huge fossil energy problem as well as paying for solutions.
> Investing the money in cleaner technology in the most polluting countries
> gives the best climate payback. Of course taxes aren't good in corrupt
> places. Thus first get rid of corruption which requires open systems.
>
> Countries like India China Russia and USA have great potential to reduce
> CO2 emissions.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
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> Kone,
>
> I agree with your assessment and don't believe anyone should own resources
> outside their own country, perhaps a limited lease in exchange for building
> the infrastructure. There is greed and lack of ethics in all systems
> socialist or capitalist.
>
> Crony capitalism is evil. War economies are evil, unchecked profit
> without ethics is evil. Lack of competition due to monopoly is evil. A
> system where one is able to live free and build competitive business in an
> ethical way is the ultimate for human ascendance. Unfortunately the US has
> been taken over by greedy people without ethics. The government in
> Venezuela is fucked, this is why we have so many people migrating to
> Colombia starving and looking for work. I speak to these people every day,
> no bullshit. It is not the US fault what happened it is the fault of
> greedy pig socialist same as greedy pig capitalist.
>
> Venezuela was a paradise and then the dictator forced out all the oil
> company engineers and other Venezuelan business professionals who knew what
> they were doing in order to give high paying jobs to military politicos who
> did not know shit but could protect his ass. All the profitable businesses
> were socialized in these ways. From what the Venezuelan doctor told me the
> roots of all of the downfall was promulgated the most by Cuban social
> engineering much more so than US spook shit, though that was dirty pool no
> doubt. Poor people who do not fight to better themselves or are limited
> for other reasons will always vote for the most free shit but someone has
> to pay for it, sooner or later all the good businesses leave and their are
> no jobs. Free markets rather than socially overseen bullshit ones like UN
> fucking carbon credits where CO2 is now some pollutant but paying Gore will
> fix the problem. Total socialist top down control based business model.
> The places I go where one can live well and has the best access to goods
> and services are free market vertically integrated, all the socialist top
> down controlled have much less options to a person willing to perform learn
> and grow. Unfortunately some people elicit a failure to thrive, in nature
> same thing happens with animals, existence takes fucking hard work.
>
> Doesn't matter the system human frailty is the sad part. Ideally we should
> have no government and be self governing but sapiens are not grounded and
> ethical enough yet and likely never will be as long as they are taught
> UNESCO all suffering is due to someone else and they are simply victims of
> circumstance. The truth about Venezuela is assholes took over and
> destroyed a healthy economy. There were CIA shenanigans for sure but this
> is not the reason for the place sucking now. Also Ecuador is changing to
> this shitty system where the socialist government thinks they can fix
> everything by taxing business's. No one we spoke with who owned a pizza
> place or a market etc were using bank accounts anymore because their money
> kept being appropriated for public works with higher taxes every few
> months. It is in a sad state now full of crime and hateful victim
> mentality. Barely any selection at markets many shelves are not stocked.
> Businesses are being forced offshore or closing so there is the truth
> witnessed firsthand. Being that I live in South America I have the
> opportunity to assess these issues first hand.
> On 12/10/2018 4:15 PM, konehead@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>
>
> Pure bullshit propaganda "socialist" government being cause of big
> problems in venezuala. The fucking capitalist war monger pigs in wadhington
> dc are the problem, blockading, sanctioning. Starvng, sending in.metcenarie
> ( paid terrorists) from Columbia and whoever wants to make a CIA buck
> killing innocent plus Supposed humanitarian NGOs paying protestrs to start
> riots and all the other shit capitalist profit first evil pigs from hell
> will do.
> Its all standard procedure for CIA and State department anytime a
> "socialist" government .voted into office tells US capitalist orporations
> to get the fuck out of their country and will never allow US military base
> on their soil.
> Imagine the gal l to kick out US corporations who say they "own" land and
> industry in a country and give the land and industry to the citizens of the
> country!! Fuck that is reason to invade kill thousands of socialist
> peasants who would be better off dead than communist sympathizers eh...
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