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Good post Ole,
The cutting down of trees is one of the most disturbing things to nature. Tree felling, ground clearing, broad acre grain crop farming, and over grazing of animals are the things that start deserts.
Trees bring rain and nature cycles the rain according to the trees and the moisture therein. Deserts do not bring rain.
In a forest the ground is protected from the sun by the foliage and the litter on the ground and when it rains the water is fully absorbed into the soil.
When the land is exposed to the sun and baked it cannot absorb water when it rains and so the road to deserts continues and gets worse with time. Ploughing the ground does great harm in exposing it to the sun.
The correct diet for humans is raw fruits, raw vegetables and water. Humans are not designed to eat grains or grain products, which are acid forming in the body and cause the ONE disease with 400 symptoms.
Cooked food is a slow poison so we don't need to eat animals or other things which require cooking.
By planting billions of fruit trees the earth will be protected from the sun and the deserts can slowly be recovered.
For the first 1,656 years up to the flood of Noah people are raw food and lived for well over 900 years.
If you study Viktor Schaubeger's writings he was always trying to be in harmony with nature and he understood the cycles of forests and water.
There is no other creature on earth that first destroys its food by cooking; humans are the only creatures out of step with nature and also no other adult creature on earth drinks milk.
People have been led in all directions away from nature and what is good for us and they are addicted to the unnatural ways of life.
However Agenda 2030 with the UN in control of the earth for a little while is not far off, and that makes God's war of Armageddon a close reality now, so we can all learn how to live healthy lives in the not too distant future.
George
On Thursday, 13 December 2018, 10:45:07 am AEDT, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
Viktor Schauberger studied nature and was convinced that explosive energy sources violated nature. Schaubergers home power plant and levitating technology used implosion. He warned that nature would be destroyed the air would be unbreathable and the water dead if continuing with using more and more explosion energy. The explosive principle decomposes matter while the implosion principle builds up matter. I don't know if he has been proven wrong or right but as a human I would rather breath oxygen than CO2. If I was a tree I would probably prefer CO2 instead. The problem is that the balance of the atmosphere is changing faster than the evolution of humans. Thus will we be able to live at this planet that is changing faster than ever? The weaker species are already dispreading at alarming rates. Will we be the next one?
Schauberger and many others have shown alternatives to explosion energy. If nobody can guarantee that it isn't necessary for coming generations to be able to live here we really shouldn't work against nature. Nature probably will win no mater what we do. The problem is is it with us or without us in the equation. It is said that thousands die because of breathing polluted air in the cities. Some cities have achieved much cleaner air making it easier to have long lives in them. Because lots of people make their living using destructive technology doesn't mean they will survive in the long run when destroying the planet they live on.
Even the more and more destructive weather is said to be natures way of trying to re-balance itself. The more we disturb nature the more nature tries to balance itself even if this means destroying humankind.
Instead of eating cows just eat less cow which makes a difference in the number of cows. As the Chinese are getting richer they also eat more meat. So should they increase their level to the level of the most cow eating nations or should the most cow eating nations decline in the amount of cows to solve the problem? I don't see increasing the level helps solve the problem even for the people that wants to survive.
Regards
Ole
---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :
Study NATURE. Simple fact is that the volcanoes around theplanet place more green house gases into stratosphere than hasmankind since we have been on earth. Simple fact. Read just oneexample. https://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/1997/fs113-97/
Now consider a much worse green house gas (25X worse than CO2) ,Methane, which is released from the frozen methane hydrate off theContinental shelf and the Arctic tundra. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane_clathrate
And the idiots want to legislate COW FARTS. YES, Mars has aCO2 atmosphere due to all the SUVs running around up there.
On 12/11/2018 7:42 PM, Mickmkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
Ole,
Go check the math the man made CO2 causing a problem is afarce.
CO2 which only emits at three hi Q nodes 10 pointsomething microns 5 and one more is being calculated as afull bandwidth black body radiator, secondly there is nodistinction between night and daytime in the calcs.
Infra red is 1mm to 700 nanometers far wider than the 3infra red nodes of excited CO2. It takes a good amount ofenergy to excite co2 to release any energy. Pretty muchall the heat re-radiated by Co2 will take place within 10meters of the ground. About the height of most trees.
Any child knows a cloud passing overhead cools, only atnight can water vapor the largest greenhouse gas trap andreflect energy. CO2 weighs more than nitrogen, it stayswhere plants like to turn it back to oxygen. In factthere is a lake in Africa that is volcanic and burps CO2. When this happens it travels into the valleys andsuffocates all the local villages humans and animals,because it is too heavy to rise and displaces the oxygenand nitrogen.
The ice core samples were flipped the wrong way initiallyit was reported that CO2 increase then temp increase. Actually C02 increase was lagging the global heating by600 or so years in the ice samples, did any revisions takeplace in the science, not at all, none I could findanyways.
Man made Co2 levels may be 3 percent of total,fluctuations from fires and volcanoes can often vary 20percent from the normal natural levels that are a hell ofa lot higher than the 3 percent of human use.
When one is a professor one only is awarded grants basedon what the think tanks dictate, this is why noalternative energy as we are familiar with here is everfunded. Yes I think all of us at this site want petroleumenergy to go the way of the dinosaurs, but CO2 isn't theproblem. Carbon monoxide, sulfur dioxide, and manyothers are actually a poison not a symbiotic biological asis Co2
Now for the reality, when all the outlook is bad andfearful the sky is falling, nothing like Hey we can nowgrow crops at further northern latitudes!, or we are usingless energy heating our homes. No instead it's all gloomand doom and fear based and the seas are rising etc etc. When one sees a binary conscientious one should expect tobe bent over without lube.
So Al Gore and James blood create a futures exchange totrade carbon credit so one need only pay them to pollutemore, hey problem solved just sign on the dotted line. Most of the industry has been moved to China and India,they are exempted from the carbon emission limitations. Sound like a scam yet.
We are about to hit a bifurcation point when the weathergoes the other way and not slowly, quickly like turning athermostat. All the global warming distopian fear will bereplaced by wishing it will heat up instead. Sapiens arereally an arrogant lot, pretending they can determine aproblem of this magnitude with a temporal limited data setbuilt on a pathetic excuse for the scientific process inwhich empirical thought has been completely disregardedbecause the top of the pyramid has a plan for us all. Have a view at odds to conscientious and one is labeled aheretic or a denier. Sounds like the Spanishinquisition. Throw another Bruno on the fire, we needsome heat...
Now lets talk about real problems, bunker oil running thesuper cargo ships. About 18 of these ships produce enoughpollution in our oceans as all the cars combined on theplanet, there are hundreds of these, maybe thousandsshitting up the ocean with fuels so thick one can walk onit until it is preheated to burn in the engines. Frackingcausing the poisoning of our water tables across theplanet but the EPA will not lift a hand because thefracking chemicals are a secret protected intellectualproperty so they allegedly can't know if they aredamaging. The contrails from the new turbine bypassengines which burn much cooler hence stay suspended muchlonger are changing the planets temperature bigtime. Itwas measured when during 911 no planes were flying.
I like CO2 and believe it to be a cooling gas based on mywork with flowing gas CO2 lasers. It makes plants growand replaces out gassed and burned oxygen from ouratmosphere so we can live, no CO2 no oxygen. None of theclaims from Gores silly movie have happened yet as the seawas supposed to rise many feet by now. A few MM over thelast hundred years it has actually been measured to rise.The polar bears are all drowned, even though they can swimhundreds of miles in a go.
I am glad your country produces clean energy, this issomething we should all aspire to but I will pray to keepmy CO2 and revel in natures power as each season of changethe CO2 is released and then re-absorbed and transmutedinto breathable oxygen.
On 12/11/2018 7:48 AM, onielsen@...[EVGRAY] wrote:
Hi Mick,
"Free markets rather than sociallyoverseen bullshit ones like UN fucking carboncredits where CO2 is now some pollutant butpaying Gore will fix the problem."
Our government has come up with a climate planthat experts as well as industry says isn'tambitious enough to solve the problem. Theglaciers of Greenland are melting at increasingrates. The permafrost of Siberia is melting toocausing huge releases of methane gas which is amuch worse greenhouse gas than CO2. The CO2 levelis at an extreme height. The melting of the ice ofGreenland will cause big trouble for many highlypopulated areas along coastlines. This may causemillions of refugees from big cities when becominguninhabitable. Therefore it is much cheaper to dosomething about the problem now than waiting adecade to solve it. This will make lots of jobs increating solutions instead of having to evacuatebig cities and coastlines. My small country isgreat in the world of producing wind turbines andenergy efficient technology. We really need suchnon fossil energy alternatives if we want to stilllive above sea level. Evacuating a country and itshigh infrastructure will be quite expensive.Besides where should all the people go when lotsof area will be affected in other countries too?To make the wind power industry was expensive forthe tax payers but now it is a big export articlemaking the investment pay back as well as havingfree energy and cleaner air.
The idea with the CO2 tax is to force people awayfrom increasing the already huge fossil energyproblem as well as paying for solutions. Investingthe money in cleaner technology in the mostpolluting countries gives the best climatepayback. Of course taxes aren't good in corruptplaces. Thus first get rid of corruption whichrequires open systems.
Countries like India China Russia and USA havegreat potential to reduce CO2 emissions.
Regards
Ole
---In [email protected],<mkjekyll@...>wrote :
Kone,
I agree with your assessment and don'tbelieve anyone should own resources outsidetheir own country, perhaps a limited lease inexchange for building the infrastructure. There is greed and lack of ethics in allsystems socialist or capitalist.
Crony capitalism is evil. War economies areevil, unchecked profit without ethics is evil.Lack of competition due to monopoly is evil. Asystem where one is able to live free andbuild competitive business in an ethical wayis the ultimate for human ascendance. Unfortunately the US has been taken over bygreedy people without ethics. The governmentin Venezuela is fucked, this is why we have somany people migrating to Colombia starving andlooking for work. I speak to these peopleevery day, no bullshit. It is not the USfault what happened it is the fault of greedypig socialist same as greedy pig capitalist.
Venezuela was a paradise and then thedictator forced out all the oil companyengineers and other Venezuelan businessprofessionals who knew what they were doing inorder to give high paying jobs to militarypoliticos who did not know shit but couldprotect his ass. All the profitablebusinesses were socialized in these ways. From what the Venezuelan doctor told me theroots of all of the downfall was promulgatedthe most by Cuban social engineering much moreso than US spook shit, though that was dirtypool no doubt. Poor people who do not fightto better themselves or are limited for otherreasons will always vote for the most freeshit but someone has to pay for it, sooner orlater all the good businesses leave and theirare no jobs. Free markets rather than sociallyoverseen bullshit ones like UN fucking carboncredits where CO2 is now some pollutant butpaying Gore will fix the problem. Totalsocialist top down control based businessmodel. The places I go where one can livewell and has the best access to goods andservices are free market verticallyintegrated, all the socialist top downcontrolled have much less options to a personwilling to perform learn and grow. Unfortunately some people elicit a failure tothrive, in nature same thing happens withanimals, existence takes fucking hard work.
Doesn't matter the system human frailty is thesad part. Ideally we should have no governmentand be self governing but sapiens are notgrounded and ethical enough yet and likelynever will be as long as they are taughtUNESCO all suffering is due to someone elseand they are simply victims of circumstance. The truth about Venezuela is assholes tookover and destroyed a healthy economy. Therewere CIA shenanigans for sure but this is notthe reason for the place sucking now. AlsoEcuador is changing to this shitty systemwhere the socialist government thinks they canfix everything by taxing business's. No onewe spoke with who owned a pizza place or amarket etc were using bank accounts anymorebecause their money kept being appropriatedfor public works with higher taxes every fewmonths. It is in a sad state now full ofcrime and hateful victim mentality. Barelyany selection at markets many shelves are notstocked. Businesses are being forced offshoreor closing so there is the truth witnessedfirsthand. Being that I live in South AmericaI have the opportunity to assess these issuesfirst hand.
On12/10/2018 4:15 PM, konehead@...[EVGRAY] wrote:
Pure bullshit propaganda "socialist"government being cause of big problemsin venezuala. The fucking capitalistwar monger pigs in wadhington dc arethe problem, blockading, sanctioning.Starvng, sending in.metcenarie ( paidterrorists) from Columbia and whoeverwants to make a CIA buck killinginnocent plus Supposed humanitarianNGOs paying protestrs to start riotsand all the other shit capitalistprofit first evil pigs from hell willdo.
Its all standard procedure for CIA andState department anytime a "socialist"government .voted into office tells UScapitalist orporations to get the fuckout of their country and will neverallow US military base on their soil.
Imagine the gal l to kick out UScorporations who say they "own" landand industry in a country and give theland and industry to the citizens ofthe country!! Fuck that is reason toinvade kill thousands of socialistpeasants who would be better off deadthan communist sympathizers eh...