Body
Norm you know it might be good to put the info on thum drive and sell it
to everyone keeping the information off the net in some way .both ways are
good but things on the net just disappear like someone is going around
erasing tec .that would really archive things .and could be put back on the
net at anytime in the future .there are some real shit birds out there
.I've seen things in the past that I can't begin to find anymore .Hector
you too !.
On Tuesday, December 11, 2018, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> DSC01708
>
> I sold this big 40 HP RV to Luther down in Houston, but had gone out and
> got several very powerful speaker magnets to stand motor on end and use
> repulsion magbets to suspend weight of rotor so that there was no rolling
> friction. Two round Neos (1.5 Tesla) on end of shaft would do same job!
> Just food for thought! Ha!
>
> On 12/11/2018 11:02 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> NHiorman
> That is great fun as a historical document, now that we are familiar with
> Rotorverter operation.
> How careful you were, not to wax enthusiastic about the results, pending
> more study.
> Yet, it demonstrates the serious professional researcher in you, to be
> cautious, as your credibility rested in your good sense, and care.
> We likely can do a lot more with Rotoverters. Too bad you are not sporting
> one on the bench these days.
> I can hardly wait to throw mine up on the table of the warm radiant heated
> stone barn workshop.
> I have two complete 3 hp identical units, except one has naked bearings
> devoid of grease and seals, which I will not do again, as it is not needed
> to be so fussy.
> I would rather they be completely reliable machines. I might send away for
> some exotic ceramic bearings for that naked unit if I can find some cheap.
> Both units work great, and I need to play with driving some DC motors, I
> have, as it would be intriguing to try to use the rotating power of the
> Rotoverter, to overunity.
> I have only used the capacitor circuit method, which works very well.
> John Bedini told me one has to has 3X over unity, to loop, so I hadn't
> tried to loop a rotoverter directly, making the assumption John had tried a
> Hecter Rotoverter. I am unsure he ever did.
> Cheers Warren
>
>
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> On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 at 10:56 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Hector, here is one that you will remember along with Kone from 2004. I
> would have to go back and find the party that posted it to the EVGRAY site.
>
> hi
>
>
>
> i did an archive search on Keelynet because I remember Norman Wootan
>
> last year posting his rotorverter results and details there, with
>
> Hector comments too Ken Carrigan is there as the original skeptic
>
> too...here it all is for history..some gret information here for
>
> aspiring rotoheads...
>
>
>
> Norman writes:
>
>
>
> Hi! Ken: Thanks for the thought provocative message. I have 4 two
>
> channel scopes, 3 Tecktronics and one Leader so have no problem
>
> accurately measuring AC input to the motor. I just cannot find my
>
> current probe for the scope to look at the current to voltage
>
> relationship.. I agree with your assessment about who cares about
>
> the
>
> power factor anyway . If my power factor was anything other than
>
> unity
>
> then this thing would be more over unity. The input voltage is very
>
> stable 120VAC line with nothing unusual and no noise or spikes to be
>
> seen. The only clue that you may find interesting is the fact that
>
> when
>
> the the motor is fine tuned by adjusting the capacitance between motor
>
> terminals L2 and L3 to give the lowest possible input current then the
>
> scope pictures of the AC voltage at terminal L2 and terminal L3 are
>
> identical in amplitude and are exactly in-phase, actually superimposed
>
> on one another. ????? I always though that to run a 3 phase motor on
>
> single phase you had to use a capacitor to establish the third phase
>
> angle so the motor would run. This is really interesting. First,
>
> this
>
> set up is quite different, for you have one terminal L1 of the motor
>
> at
>
> ground reference (line neutral). L2 is at line potential (120VAC) and
>
> L3
>
> has the tuning cap value between it and L3. The one thing that
>
> really
>
> bugs me is the fact that the 3 phase motor has excellent torque and
>
> does not get warm when you load it. I believe I mentioned that I
>
> have a
>
> 32 HP, 480V, 3450 RPM, 60 HZ motor that I want to set up and do some
>
> experiments that may shed some more light on this obvious phenomenon.
>
> I agree about the lack of interest on the net regards this rotoverter
>
> test. I guess most folks are dropping in for entertainment value and
>
> not serious researchers who really question something so glaring .
>
> Thanks a million for your sincere interest. Norm
>
>
>
> Carrigan, Ken wrote:
>
>
>
> Norm, et al,
>
> I am shocked that I have not heard anyone comment on your apparent
>
> experimental overunity readings. I find nothing wrong or that
>
> could be wrong with your initial readings, but I question that
>
> your really getting something for nothing. Sure wish you had
>
> an oscope to see exactly what your reading are vice Fluke voltmeter.
>
> As for the power factor going into your motor, who cares if
>
> it is less then unity, it is the useable output that is most
>
> important, and as you stated, it is 'pure' dc? Tracing back
>
> from the DC generator to see where this apparent overunity is
>
> coming from, it must be coming from the AC motor. This because
>
> the DC generator is nothing special - efficiency is less
>
> then 100%. So the answer is really in the capacitive input
>
> to the 3-phase AC motor - running it at 25% voltage (120v vice
>
> 480v) and single phase - with caps to resonate the inductive
>
> portion out - leaving pure resistance. I am shocked that it
>
> runs at all, being non 3-phase and 1/4 volts.
>
>
>
> Any further readings your getting? I'd sure like to see
>
> your system in operation and get my scope out, spectrum
>
> analyzer, and RF current probes then take it into a PC
>
> and find out exactly what the power in and out would be
>
> taking into account all distortion, harmonics, complex
>
> wave patterns.
>
> v/r
>
> Ken Carrigan
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Norman Wootan [*mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>*]
>
>
>
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 8:09 AM
>
> To: Keelynet
>
> Subject: [Keelynet] Rotoverter
>
>
>
>
>
> Hector, down in Australia has been experimenting with
>
> ferroresonance transformers and rotary 3 phase converters
>
> with interesting results. Go to:
>
> *http://www.nuenergy.org/energy_amplification.htm
> <http://www.nuenergy.org/energy_amplification.htm>*
>
>
>
>
>
> I built Hectors phase rotoverter with the following
>
> results. This is a very easy experiment for all to try.
>
> I'm sure Ken Carrigan will have fun with this one.
>
> Quote:
>
> Well said Hector:: Here is the verification that you have
>
> been waiting for. Per our off line dialog here is the set
>
> up for my rotaryverter so others may duplicate what we have
>
> seen.
>
> Motor is 3HP, 3 Phase, 60HZ, 1725 RPM, wired for operation
>
> on 480V.
>
> Motor free running, tuned to minimum current draw from 120V
>
> line input required 20mfd
>
> 370V oil filled cap resulting with a current draw of .66
>
> amps @ 120VAC input.
>
> Motor loaded with belt drive stepup 6:1 ratio to drive a PMI
>
>
>
> disk PM, DC motor acting as a generator. (generator
>
> unloaded) required 30 mfd, 370V oil filled cap with a
>
> resulting
>
> current draw of .50 amps @ 120VAC input.
>
> Now I loaded the DC generator with 160 watt incandescent
>
> lamp load.
>
> Now things get more interesting. Since I have two
>
> independent systems here, one being driven with 120VAC line
>
> input and the other system a belt driven DC generator being
>
> loaded with pure resistive load. Well here are the
>
> numbers: Motor was retuned for minimum current draw which
>
> required 45 mfd, 370V oil filled cap with a resulting
>
> current draw of .15 amps @ 120VAC input. The independent
>
> generator put out .75 amps @ 74 VDC into a resistive load.
>
> The only thing that needs to be looked at on the input side
>
> of the equation is the power factor of the AC input. I need
>
>
>
> to find my tectronics current probe for my scope to look at
>
> the current/ voltage phase relationship. I'm satisfied with
>
> the figures that I calculate which shows roughly 18 watts AC
>
>
>
> input with a DC output of 55.5 watts. What I find most
>
> interesting is the fact that the more load you put on the 3
>
> phase motor the lower the input current draw and the motor
>
> gets colder. The belt driven DC generator gets quite hot
>
> after about 30 minutes of running time. Go figure it out.
>
> I believe there is a lot to be learned about revolving
>
> magnetic fields in 3 phase motors and tunning the output via
>
>
>
> capacitors. This experiment is so easy to do everyone
>
> should seriously look at this phenomenon. My next step is
>
> to document PF on input and improve the DC side of the
>
> circuit to provide more loading.
>
> By the way, all measurements were made with four each Fluke
>
>
>
> 87E meters which I believe to be fairly reliable on 60HZ and
>
>
>
> DC measurements. Nothing exotic here. Only PF to be
>
> determined.
>
> Norm
>
>
> On 12/11/2018 9:33 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
> To design the Implosion Vortex Reactor, IVR, I had to understand the
> VORTEX and how heat and ionization really worked. Thus What is Heat?
> You may ask about Barry, Counterbarry, Anti-Gravity along about here.
>
> Since we are finally "boiling down" our fundamental understanding of thing
> in nature being directly related to "vortex", a little "101" is needed!
> After carefully reading this document and going back to 'mark' the very
> interesting revelations, we can approach the Hilsch Implosion Vortex with a
> better understanding as to how the 'counter rotating' vortex actions
> produce a charge separation effect and yield a "cold" core output and a
> "Hot' exhaust outer envelope. All is based on my document "What is
> Heat' written back in the 90s. "Heat is positive ionization" and "cold is
> negative ionization". Since electrons have mass (see Charged Cluster work
> by Kenneth Shoulders) we see how negative ionized gases (extra electrons)
> are heavier than positive ionized gases ( stripped electrons) therefore in
> an implosion vortex the heavier cold gas will spiral to the center with the
> lighter gases spiraling to the outer envelope. The interchange and charge
> separation occurs at the shear lines of the counter-rotating gas flows just
> the same as found in the vortex of a well formed tornado in nature. The
> result in nature produces a lot of ice, hail and huge electrical
> discharges. Just passing along some thought on how things really
> work! Norm
>
> ANATOMY OF A VORTEX
> by
> Rhetta Jacobson
> A vortex is Nature’s primary form or shape of
> energy movement. A vortex is a cyclic energy
> movement. It is a manifestation of two opposing
> forces, which were created simultaneously
> and which exist constantly in our Universe.
> All the electro-magnetic phenomena which
> we observe are results of the interplay of this
> motion body, whether we observe waves, particles
> or galaxies. We see it manifest in all states
> of matter, gases, liquids, solids and plasmas.
> All the studies of Science, whether it be light
> refraction and reflection, heat convection,
> sound propagation, magnetism and electricity,
> chemistry, biology, atomic structure or cosmologic
> observations have confronted this motion
> body.
> When we attempt to understand, control,
> copy and work with these phenomena we need
> to know more thoroughly the mechanics of the
> one expression they all have in common--the
> vortex, the form of motion that brings their manifestation.
> In this article I hope to give the anatomy of
> a vortex, a diagram of the geometric structure,
> a map of the movements and forces and list
> some results a vortex has upon the matter within
> it. First, I will consider the group of particles
> rotating about a common center; but the latter
> list of results will consider a single particle of the
> medium rotating about its own axis and the central
> axis of a vortex motion.
> Scientists have observed different types of
> vortexes and given them separate names.
> There can be a concentric vortex, an assymetrical
> vortex, a cylindrical vortex where the paths
> are the same, closed and perpendicular in
> every plane normal to the rotation axis. Then
> there is a spatial vortex where the paths are not
> perpendicular, nor closed. The spiral vortex is
> again separated and typed according to the
> shape it assumes and by a ratio of diameter to
> length of axis. A planar like vortex or disk vortex
> has a large diameter compared to its height.
> A columnar vortex has a small diameter compared
> to its height.
> Hydrologists tend to mimic vortexes in fluids
> by stirring liquids in a cylinder with a central rod,
> giving the fluid “vorticity”, or angular velocity at
> a given point in space. Here we should note
> that all vortexes have vorticity, but all fluids with
> vorticity are not a vortex. For instance, a parallel
> flow has vorticity. By stirring thusly they create
> a parabolic rotational movement and call it
> a vortex.
> They say every rotating body is a vortex.
> Then they notice two basic types of velocities.
> With the latter “solid body” such as a disk rotating
> about an axis at its center, the velocity
> increases linearly with the distance from the
> center toward the periphery. In a fluid stirred in
> a cylinder the velocity decreases in inverse proportion
> to the distance from the stir rod. They
> call a “potential” vortex one where the fluid may
> have no vorticity except at the center. This is all
> very confusing and unnecessary if vortex
> motion can be observed correctly.
> A vortex is not the matter, solid or liquid; the
> vortex is a background energy movement
> which controls, conditions and shapes the matter.
> The matter does not create the vortex, the
> matter is subject to it. In the solid disk rotating
> about an axis, each atomic particle making it up
> has a vortex motion body as a field acting upon
> it. The observation that velocity increases with
> distance from the center is but a rule of centrifugal
> force which they are applying to a solid
> body. They are imitating Nature’s braking of
> velocity, and one-half of a cyclic process of
> energy movement. They would do more good
> considering what effect that centrifugal force
> has upon each atomic vortex in the solid. This
> is not creating a vortex, it is using one force
> which is a part in a vortex flow. When Nature
> sticks solids on a solid stem or rod core and
> rotates it, it too is used as a brake. The the
> example of a dandelion seed where this construction
> and rotation slows its descent. In a
> fluid stirred by a rod, the same centrifugal
> action is observed; turbulence is caused by
> action from the center outward.
> The standard definition of a vortex is very
> vague. One definition of a vortex will include a
> few characteristics of this motion body and
> another written definition will include other characteristics.
> Generally, we find some common
> included characteristics are: a whirling mass,
> endowed with a rapid rotary motion around an
> axis, forming a vacuum at the center, into which
> anything caught in the motion is drawn.
> Definitions are usually always accompanied
> with comparisons to whirlpools and whirlwinds,
> of which very little is known.
> I will define a vortex thusly: A vortex is the
> primordial pattern of motion. It is a changing,
> resultant motion form of two opposing forces, a
> cyclic process with a birth, youth, maturity,
> aging and death segments of its time duration.
> It is a cyclic process of motion which takes varying
> shapes from a series of laminar rings, rotating
> about a common center to a conical shape
> and back to planar rings again as one force
> gains preponderance, then the other force, and
> takes the process from stillness to maximum
> motion and then back to stillness.
> Most observations of the vortex pattern are
> incomplete are are illustrated as a whirling
> cone. This represents one phase of an overall
> appearance in a medium. It does not show the
> motion interaction occurring inside the motion
> body and does not entirely illustrate a vortex
> body, just as a still, two dimensional illustration
> of a wave drawn as a wavy line does not do justice
> to the description of a wave.
> FORMATION OF VORTEX MOTION
> To picture the birth of a vortex motion body
> of two opposing forces, picture from a point of
> stillness a motion or movement radiating out in
> all directions, simultaneously meeting resistance
> as an opposing movement attempting to
> restore the stillness. The expansive force travels
> in a radiative spiral outward from a common
> center. Its movement is called centrifugal. The
> opposing, compressive force travels in a concentrating
> spiral toward a common center. Its
> movement is called centripetal. Both paths of
> travel are always curved and spiral because of
> the others’ resistance, continuously.
> Resistance to movement from inertia causes
> curvature; all motion is curved forever afterward.
> Polarity is established as soon as there
> is a motion, for to have motion from stillness
> there is a division and with division there is
> polarity.
> Another mind picture: Picture the point being
> acted upon by the two opposing forces in the
> horizontal, planar dimension. Motion plus
> resistance gives the sphere a rotation resulting
> in ring waves set up periodically, rotating about
> the center point. The ring waves extend to a
> maximum distance until the resistance
> becomes predominant and pushes them back
> toward the center.
> Each rotating ring meets resistance which
> compresses its dissipation and attempts to
> restore an evacuated space. These rings are
> observed as “vortex rings” and vortex rings
> exist even in irrotational fluids such as helium,
> an “inert” gas which is defined as being unable
> to move or act. However, this ring motion is the
> beginning of vortex motion.
> The opposing forces acting upon each other
> set up shock waves traveling in both directions,
> opposing each other, interacting, sliding along
> side each other, causing undulations in the ring,
> like local eddies, little whirlpools where both
> forces wrap around each other in a spiralic
> attempt to unite or cancel each other, so stillness
> may be restored out of the motion. Local
> eddies always occur where two movements
> come against each other, for example, whenever
> two streams come against each other, or
> where a moving flow meets a stationary object
> such as water on a rock.
> If the outward thrust were not met with resistance
> to begin a curvature back to a central
> point, the motion would dissipate. Nature does
> not work with only an outward centrifugal force,
> as our technology does. Nature was wise
> enough to create, simultaneously, the regeneration
> possibility of the opposing centripetal pull
> back to the source, the center, to insure that the
> instability and tensions that were created could
> be forever repeated so work could be performed.
> The concentric rings rotating about the
> sphere are acted upon by the local eddies generated
> between each one in series. The first
> ring, toward the center, has greater resistant
> tension, a higher amplitude, a greater curvature
> of deflection to throw back to the center, when
> the outward movement meets the inertial resistance.
> This causes more numbers of tiny local
> boundary eddies; but, these tiny whirlpools
> rotate around their axes slowly, with great effort
> against inertia.
> The second ring has less centrifugal force or
> outward thrust meeting it and less potential to
> raise a resistance. The wall of tension (and
> amplitude) is less. This ring creates a lesser
> number of local boundary eddies or disturbances;
> however, they can be larger in diameter
> and rotate faster because the ring is already
> of a larger diameter and has less inward curvature
> to aid the centripetal throw back.
> If the outward thrust (centrifugal force) continues
> to come from the center source (as from
> a stationary rod in the Hydrologists cylinder)
> eventually the surrounding rings close to the
> central point are pushed further apart, weakening
> the centripetal ability. Every force has a
> binding field, even in an open system. Even a
> non-factual, theorized, linear, one-directional
> movement meets a boundary wall and curves
> against its direction and begins to loop back
> upon itself. In fact (actuality) curvature meets
> curvature and causes a set of over lappings like
> a set of standing lenses at periodic conjunctions
> in the form of tiny, local eddies. The lenses,
> according to their curvature, focal length,
> etc., come into plan and influence whatever
> passes through them. The undulations and
> small eddies along the boundaries of the rotating
> rings act as lenses. They take in a portion
> of the centrifugal and centripetal forces, fluids
> or medium, spin it around, mix it and then throw
> off either toward the centrifugal direction or
> toward the centripetal direction and aid a little
> push for either force, like a mechanical bearing
> which aids the rotation of larger rollers. The
> multidinous tiny whirlpools on the inside of the
> central ring (first ring) turn very slowly. They do
> not throw off much on their periphery, but they
> orbit around the inside of the ring swiftly. They
> help the centripetal force hold the momentum
> there, close to the center. The larger diameter,
> faster rotating, local eddies inside the fourth
> ring, for instance, have a power to transfer force
> (as part of their vorticity) to the centrifugal force,
> because they throw off more along their periphery.
> When the inward compression (centripetal)
> force is predominant the amplitude of each
> shock wave increases and moves the whole
> series of waves toward the center, compacting
> the laminar strata toward the center. This compacting
> results in a longitudinal force, perpendicular
> to the plane, in two directions, simultaneously
> again, up and down. This movement
> meets a resistance also, and begins to curve
> and spiral, both above and below the horizontal
> axis.
> COMPONENTS OF A VORTEX PROCESS
> We now have a picture of a vortex formation
> from planar spinning rings, projecting, in two
> directions, above and below the horizontal axis,
> to two conical spirals, with the two opposing
> directions of motion interacting within, setting
> up pressure waves, back shock waves, pressure
> boundary walls and naturally establishing
> a standing set of “lenses” and a beat frequency,
> which represents the pulsation battle occurring
> between push and pull. Thus created is a “spatial
> spiral” vortex, which is the one Nature uses.
> The key fact in this picture is the word “two”.
> Every vortex is a pair. Every vortex borns its
> own resistance and has its equal and opposite
> potential motion body to unite, propagate and
> return to stillness.
> Very briefly, let us go through the aging
> process of a vortex. For simpler viewing we will
> consider one conical vortex. Actually the righthand
> drawing (a pair) is occurring. After birth
> and in infancy a vortex body is elongated and
> slender, longer in its vertical axis than the horizontal;
> then as the outward, resistance force
> takes preponderance the vortex widens and
> flattens, as in the drawings.
> Each concentric spiral path is first squeezed
> closer together and then is pushed further
> apart.
> Each concentric spiral is centered around a
> vertical axis. As the centrifugal force ages the
> vortex, this axis wobbles more and more,
> becomes inclined, and inscribes a wider and
> wider circle. Thus the cone appearance widens
> and flattens to eventually merge with its horizontal
> axis and eventually appears as a flat spiral
> on a plane.
> The birth of a vortex arises from this plane
> in ring stages, projecting the center upward or
> forward until the vortex is extended to a conical
> shape again.
> The contest between the two forces develops
> pressure walls, boundary lines which separate
> different pressures, different densities, and
> potentials, and holds them in concentrated
> form. Thus, all mediums appear in laminar layers.
> At the edges of the boundary walls of the vortex
> rings are created local eddies, whirlpools
> which act as lenses affecting the passage from
> one layer to the next in series as described.
> Are you still thinking in three-dimensional
> space? We always must! We have three axes
> to consider for each vortex. The horizontal axis
> is where rotation occurs around the center,
> where the “flat” rings begin, it is the axis where
> centrifugal force can express in preponderance
> to its fullest victory to return motion to stillness
> through dissipation, separation and explosion.
> Upon this axis the centripetal and centrifugal
> forces can occur in equilibrium and represent
> one plane of stillness.
> The second axis is the vertical one which is
> the centering, longitudinal direction. This axis
> is lengthened when the centripetal force
> expresses itself in preponderance. It also can
> be an equilibrium condition of stillness. Its’ center
> in vortex action is a vacuum which leads
> solid matter back to an energy transformation
> through implosion.
> In the cyclic process of vortex motion the
> perfect 90 degree geometry of these two axes
> only occurs for a brief time at maturity. Its’ time
> duration is but a brief moment of fluctuation, like
> a line of inertia which momentum crosses, like
> a center line a pendulum crosses on its path
> from one end of its swing to the other end.
> Most matter vortex bodies are in transition
> stages between the perfect axis alignment.
> Like a spinning top, the vertical axis of
> motion is defeated by the resistance of the horizontal
> force, thus the wobble of the vertical
> axis. If the two forces are in equilibrium there is
> no motion and no work expressed in the
> Universe. Motion bodies (vortexes) and matter
> ARE because of the battle between the two
> forces. Matter and work occur during the cyclic
> process from stillness to maximum motion and
> back to stillness. There must be imbalance,
> two foci of an ovoid, two unequal points of tension
> to cause work or motion.
> Motion bodies and matter have different
> characteristics and manifestations according to
> which force, centripetal or centrifugal, (and thus
> which axis) is predominant.
> The spherical shape is the attempt of Nature.
> It, like a perfect circle, is not found in Nature. All
> matter attempts to approach the sphere, but is
> crystallized along the way. However, all matter
>
>