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On 11/21/2018 4:24 PM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
> Mick! There is much more going on in the variable capacitor than meets
> the eye! A mechanical analog would be like a human heart for it moves
> fluid (blood) by squeezing through valves. It in reality is an
> electron pump in effect. See: Resonance-assisted parametric electron
> pump See: Spin-polarized parametric pumping: Theory and numerical
> results Ole has been discussing this parametric pumping action.
>
> On 11/21/2018 12:55 PM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>
>> See: Imbeded response.
>>
>> On 11/21/2018 12:43 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Norm,
>>>
>>> This is correct. As you're proclaiming, in the end a magneto type
>>> build may be a better solution than just hard switched coil banging
>>> as it does seem to favor finesse over force allowing for more
>>> control with fewer supporting parts. First in order to study this
>>> more in depth I have to make sure my batt system is properly
>>> saturating the iron core to create the pure current potential vacuum
>>> flux state. Seems easier from the wall for some reason even though
>>> there should be no diff in a DC charged cap of the same mFd charged
>>> to the same V in the same time constant delivering a spike to
>>> saturate a core. Will stop trying to correlate the wall power diff
>>> and move forward.
>>>
>>> That link has some interesting devices such as the vircator and some
>>> good stuff on the pinch devices. It definitely conveys the concept
>>> of total isolation and screw the source.
>>>
>>> On another subject, your electrostatic device induced me to think of
>>> a motorized variometer and what odd functions it may allow for.
>>>
>>> When experimenting with your spinning variable cap what results did
>>> you witness? ( Due to the rapid change in capacitance value you
>>> could realize by use of diodes to get a multiplication of potential
>>> at output which was steered to accumulator capacitors just like Kone
>>> is trying to do. I proved to me that the effect is real which is
>>> what Ole and crew are discussing It was the basis for the Hyde
>>> Device as seen on Rex Research page.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Mick
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/21/23:46 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Mick! I see now that you are attempting to get a SOURCE that is
>>>> isolated so that you may be able to sustain the EMP pulse event.
>>>> Battery/ inverter set up. If you use the EMP non nuclear device as
>>>> an example you see that it is a one shot device since the long
>>>> solenoid coil is progressively shorted by ultra high speed
>>>> explosives while super saturated via capacitor discharge. See:
>>>> https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/f20b/94c86b9620166bdb82556b5be93261c80c64.pdf
>>>> All with device in total isolation from earth reference ground.
>>>> Believe it or not, Tesla advocated this technique when he discussed
>>>> taking pure iron into a state of super saturation (coil core) which
>>>> Ole will attest to that the impedance drops to an air value. Doug
>>>> was hitting on this with his coil shorting routine. The Hyde
>>>> Generator was a variable capacitor machine and this is a variable
>>>> inductance device. Please read how the current is amplified in the
>>>> MFCG. In the Hyde generator, when the value of C is reduced
>>>> there is a multiplication of the voltage (amplification). In the
>>>> MFCG, when the value of L is taken to zero in a saturated state the
>>>> current is multiplied (Amplification). Thanks for you effort!
>>>> You will get there when armed with knowledge as to how this all
>>>> works! Norm
>>>>
>>>> On 11/20/2018 7:23 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>
>>>>> OK thanks back to the bench, need to check BH on the battery setup
>>>>> again...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/20/2018 3:01 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see that you still have not had your LIGHT COME ON YET. You
>>>>>> are dwelling on the source side of the circuit which is not the
>>>>>> answer. Simply put, you have to create the condition where you
>>>>>> have a totally isolated charged inductor and charged capacitors
>>>>>> (TOTALLY ISOLATED) from any ground reference. Energy simply
>>>>>> cannot vanish into empty space. My 5 HP motor experiment
>>>>>> accomplished the isolation condition and when the energy was
>>>>>> annihilated, inductor energy & capacitor energy cancelled , I got
>>>>>> the EMP response from the earth side of the circuit. To hell
>>>>>> with the source, for once the inductor is flux loaded, to
>>>>>> saturation and capacitors are charged, then the source is totally
>>>>>> out of the equation. Once that starting contactor opens the
>>>>>> source is no longer a factor. In all of my trials with this, I
>>>>>> have never seen any degrading or rupture of dielectric material
>>>>>> nor damage to any wiring, no matter how small. The energy is in
>>>>>> the form of a very high freq (RF event) with very high current
>>>>>> but no damage to small appliance motors. I lived in a Dallas
>>>>>> neighborhood that had a power distribution sub station just down
>>>>>> the street from me. Numerous times during lightning storms I had
>>>>>> been awakened by my VHS VCR, old top loader, (turned off) tape
>>>>>> mechanism start up and start to eject tape, get half way and
>>>>>> reverse and put tape back down as before it started. Like a 1/2
>>>>>> cycle operation. This was sort of the same EMP neutral side
>>>>>> surge which affected the tape drive mechanism. People see the
>>>>>> sort of thing but are not smart enough to question why they
>>>>>> happen! Sorry to say that most of my experimentation was done on
>>>>>> the KEELY BBS and was a closed group.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/20/2018 11:33 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you for the in depth post of your experience uncovering
>>>>>>> this event. Sorry to frustrate you with what seem like
>>>>>>> repetitive questions. Everything here is understood. My
>>>>>>> question had to do with the source side of the whole systemic
>>>>>>> occurrence and not that I don't understand just that I like
>>>>>>> things to be very succinct in my small brain, therefore I was
>>>>>>> trying to map out the circuit including all E and B field
>>>>>>> connections in order that for instance the ceiling fan
>>>>>>> experiment be replicated from a battery inverter source without
>>>>>>> connection to the utility. In other words the DUH I brought up
>>>>>>> the other week. You have explained the phenomenon and it's
>>>>>>> creation many times but seem to have left out the functions from
>>>>>>> the source side of the circuit and how that interacts with the
>>>>>>> whole experiment and magnetic connect-anniliation-reconnect.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have successfully replicated the shots to larger and smaller
>>>>>>> scale while using the utility sourced power but not yet reliably
>>>>>>> from an inverter driven isolated system so attempting to
>>>>>>> determine the best way to move forward on the source side
>>>>>>> without burning up any more devices or at least a minimum so. I
>>>>>>> think I need to procure an iso transformer with a center tap and
>>>>>>> ground it on the sink side to the center tap in order there is
>>>>>>> the magnetic connection to the earth on source side in the first
>>>>>>> place not just the ground rod on the sink side of the
>>>>>>> experiment. Otherwise part two will require a giant stepdown of
>>>>>>> similar proportions to a pole pig. Just trying to streamline
>>>>>>> and keep expenses low.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hope the above does not further frustrate you but rather
>>>>>>> conveys the why of my question which I can see seemed to be
>>>>>>> circular and puerile. Sorry to offend.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By the way I don't know if you had posted this story before but
>>>>>>> with Yahoo and search and all your references to the neutral
>>>>>>> spike event I have never uncovered it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank again!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/20/2018 6:58 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mick! I am getting just like Hector here by having to explain
>>>>>>>> something over and over! I guess short memory is the cause for
>>>>>>>> lack of understanding the whole project. First you have to go
>>>>>>>> back to the 1981 ceiling fan, 1/6th HP capacitor run shaded
>>>>>>>> pole motor problem. A wiring error by a Chinese assembly worker
>>>>>>>> incorrectly wired the capacitor reversing switch into the
>>>>>>>> neutral side of the circuit which provided a total isolation of
>>>>>>>> charge while the switch was in transition from forward
>>>>>>>> operation to reverse operation. Reversing switch would
>>>>>>>> explode. This was my first encounter with the phenomenon which
>>>>>>>> I researched and determined that it was a Magneto-Electric
>>>>>>>> effect or better put, Magnetic flux annihilation-reconnect as
>>>>>>>> we now know it. In Physics we have always been taught that
>>>>>>>> energy cannot be destroyed but can change forms as we clearly
>>>>>>>> see by simple experiment. With this knowledge tucked back in
>>>>>>>> the memory bank, I had the occasion to encounter this
>>>>>>>> phenomenon again in around 1984. A wealthy widow had remodeled
>>>>>>>> her expansive Highland Park home (Dallas) and I had installed a
>>>>>>>> projection TV system into her den. MS. Sharp called and said
>>>>>>>> she had a Poltergeist in her den. When I arrived she served tea
>>>>>>>> and told me to sit there and wait a few minutes. The TV screen
>>>>>>>> and projector both started descending from the ceiling then
>>>>>>>> reversed and went back up. Both these motors were shaded pole,
>>>>>>>> capacitor run design so that switching via wall switch could
>>>>>>>> reverse operation, either up or down against limit switches.
>>>>>>>> Here is the Somfy motor example so you understand how they
>>>>>>>> operate:
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMHEJ2iIu14&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>> When I went into attic to examine the motorized units the
>>>>>>>> phenomenon occurred again. Sure enough the screen and projector
>>>>>>>> descended half way down then reversed and retracted. Over my
>>>>>>>> head was a powered turbo ventilator attic fan of shaded pole
>>>>>>>> design which took off ZIIIIINNNNG , super fast acceleration up
>>>>>>>> to a speed about 10X design speed but one big problem was that
>>>>>>>> it took off backwards! The turbine took several minutes to
>>>>>>>> coast down to a stop. A visit downstairs found that a small
>>>>>>>> appliance like a counter top blender in the kitchen (shaded
>>>>>>>> pole motor) would take off spinning backwards then stop. The
>>>>>>>> only connection that all these motor had when sitting in a
>>>>>>>> turned off state was a connection to the neutral buss.
>>>>>>>> Interesting fact was that with the very small size motor
>>>>>>>> windings and sudden fantastic acceleration up to very high
>>>>>>>> speed (backwards) did no damage to the motors. I did an
>>>>>>>> inspection to the mains breakers and house wiring including the
>>>>>>>> service cabelling and earth ground at the mains panel. All was
>>>>>>>> up to Dallas Code. While walking in side yard, I found a brand
>>>>>>>> new installation of a 5 ton A/C Condensing unit. in addition to
>>>>>>>> the older 5 ton unit. Both units were earth bonded via the
>>>>>>>> Required (Highland Park Code) 10 ft. ground rod at the units.
>>>>>>>> Both units were 5 Ton, 230VAC single phase. While I was
>>>>>>>> looking at the A/C units , the new one tried to start against a
>>>>>>>> locked rotor condition. From contactor closure to WHUUUUUMP,
>>>>>>>> EMP shot which you could feel the brissance in the ground took
>>>>>>>> about 1/2 second. This was the source of the EMP event which
>>>>>>>> caused the neutral buss to carry this very unusual form of
>>>>>>>> energy. The A/C guys came out and replaced the compressor and
>>>>>>>> rectified the situation but I came away with a better
>>>>>>>> understanding a very common phenomenon that most do not take
>>>>>>>> time to fully understand nor appreciate the implications. By
>>>>>>>> studing the ongoing research of the natural occurrence of this
>>>>>>>> EMP phenomenon from Solar magnetic storms Magnetic Annihilation
>>>>>>>> -Reconnect which have been duplicated in Labs gathering better
>>>>>>>> understanding of phenomenon. I elected to bench top duplicate
>>>>>>>> the situation which I had observed back in 1984 at the Sharp
>>>>>>>> residence. Since I was doing HVAC, Electrical and Electronics
>>>>>>>> Contracting, I had many compressors at my disposal just like
>>>>>>>> the one in the Carrier A/C unit. By hydraulic locking the
>>>>>>>> compressor via filling with oil and pinching off the suction
>>>>>>>> and discharge lines you have a fully locked up sealed unit See:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This unit utilizes a 40mfd start cap and a 5mfd run cap
>>>>>>>> controlled by current relay. When energized via 2 pole,230VAC,
>>>>>>>> starter contactor, both the start and run windings are
>>>>>>>> energized. When the Over current relay senses the locked rotor
>>>>>>>> current of 84 amps ( motor in magnetic saturation) the circuit
>>>>>>>> is opened leaving the stored energy in total isolation with no
>>>>>>>> ground reference. A NECESSARY CONDITION TO GET THE MAGNETIC
>>>>>>>> FLUX ANNIHILATION-Re-CONNECT PHENOMENON or EMP. This
>>>>>>>> experiment is something anyone can duplicate and observe the
>>>>>>>> phenomenon for yourself. The reversible ceiling fan is the
>>>>>>>> simplest and easiest and less expensive to replicate. Most
>>>>>>>> current available reversible fans utilize the electrical
>>>>>>>> capacitor relocation via toggle switch to reverse rotation.
>>>>>>>> All you have to do is open up circuit and re-wire the cap so
>>>>>>>> that you have a momentary loss of ground reference (neutral)
>>>>>>>> while the reversing switch is in transit. Reverse it several
>>>>>>>> times and you will explode switch! Now Mick, what do you not
>>>>>>>> understand?? I was just too curious to let this go by without
>>>>>>>> finding an answer. Just remember the Axiom, Energy cannot be
>>>>>>>> destroyed but it can change forms.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/19/2018 10:04 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So why did you first notice this even at a clients, shorted
>>>>>>>>> start cap or seized bearing? Interesting I have noticed a
>>>>>>>>> ground rod near pool equipment with GFI but rarely have seen
>>>>>>>>> or can recall one next to a heat pump or AC unit and 10 feet
>>>>>>>>> ground rod damn that's deeper than a dirt nap. At 60hz the
>>>>>>>>> capacitive coupling is negligible.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Unless I am misunderstanding something the L1-L2 at the supply
>>>>>>>>> side... coupling to earth would still be at the transformer to
>>>>>>>>> center tap neutral back at the pole then the neutral is ground
>>>>>>>>> bonded at the service. Since it is on the sink side of the
>>>>>>>>> transformer from the utility there is a direct path to ground
>>>>>>>>> through a certain impedance,reactance and reluctance whatever
>>>>>>>>> importance that plays into the event.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/19/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Locked means exactly what the term expresses! No rotor motion
>>>>>>>>>> relative to stator! On the early 5 Ton A/C units they were
>>>>>>>>>> service wired with a 3 conductor wip from service disconnect
>>>>>>>>>> to A/C unit! You had L-1 & L-2 230VAC (hots) and a green
>>>>>>>>>> earth bonding wire to motor and chasis frame. In addition,
>>>>>>>>>> you had a10 ft. ground stake into earth ground to bond this
>>>>>>>>>> outdoor installation for safety reasons. When over-current
>>>>>>>>>> relay (84 amps) drops out starter contactor there is NO
>>>>>>>>>> GROUND PATH to discipate the charge, both magbetic flux
>>>>>>>>>> sayuration (Inductive power) and the two charged capacitors
>>>>>>>>>> in the circuit. This energy is in an isolated state due to
>>>>>>>>>> insulation in the motor windings and capacitors. Ole will
>>>>>>>>>> jump in here and say there is capacitive coupling between
>>>>>>>>>> motor frame and isolated capacitance and magnetic flux at
>>>>>>>>>> saturation. I built and did the test on this phenomenon
>>>>>>>>>> after I saw it in real life in a clients back yard. Easy to
>>>>>>>>>> duplicate! The reversible ceiling fan trick can be done by
>>>>>>>>>> anyone by just changing the wiring on the reversing capacitor
>>>>>>>>>> in-order to float neutral while the reversing switch is in
>>>>>>>>>> transition. Simple! ( BOOM)!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/18/2018 11:15 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How did you run the motor in locked mode, by preventing the
>>>>>>>>>>> start cap from energizing?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When you experimented with the energy from this motor where
>>>>>>>>>>> did you extract the differential, from the green wire
>>>>>>>>>>> running back to the service panel or another grounding rod
>>>>>>>>>>> and from the motor frame where the ground bonding clip
>>>>>>>>>>> usually is or somewhere else?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Assuming frame on your dual winding induction motor was
>>>>>>>>>>> isolated sink side from the stator windings by their
>>>>>>>>>>> insulation as you mentioned earlier there was no neutral
>>>>>>>>>>> and on the source side by the center tap in the pole pig?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not sure why I was thinking locked was synchronous mode as
>>>>>>>>>>> we discussed earlier the concept of Mag Transmitter is to
>>>>>>>>>>> saturate the core and release, or as Hector likes to say
>>>>>>>>>>> switch off to turn on. Some major issues going on here,
>>>>>>>>>>> head on backwards.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So impedance does opposite of a LC tank and dropped like a
>>>>>>>>>>> series LC hmmm...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mick
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/18/2018 3:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks! Ole for the explanation! Rotation is required
>>>>>>>>>>>> inorder for counter emf to be generated. In stalled rotor
>>>>>>>>>>>> or locked rotor conditions, the current through the
>>>>>>>>>>>> windings is only limited by R = resitance. My dual winding
>>>>>>>>>>>> 5 HP motor in locked rotor had a combined current draw of
>>>>>>>>>>>> 84 amps @ 230VAC input. When you look at the BH curve on a
>>>>>>>>>>>> scope you see the magnetic flux build to saturation at
>>>>>>>>>>>> which point the impedance is = to Zero ( air value) with R
>>>>>>>>>>>> being the only limiting factor. (Ole). I used the dual
>>>>>>>>>>>> winding motor for it has a starting cap value of 40mfd and
>>>>>>>>>>>> a run cap with a value of 5 mfd, both of which are in
>>>>>>>>>>>> circuit when current limiting relay drops circuit open
>>>>>>>>>>>> yielding the Neutral Spike form ground. Magneto Electric
>>>>>>>>>>>> effect. For it to work, the caps and motor windings have to
>>>>>>>>>>>> be isolated from neutral and earth ground reference. the
>>>>>>>>>>>> iron motor frame is earth bonded. Cancellation of energy in
>>>>>>>>>>>> isolation will create an EMP earth ground response. This
>>>>>>>>>>>> goes back to Page 25 of CSN by Tesla himself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/17/2018 5:12 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Locked rotor is when the rotor is prevented from rotating.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is also known as stalled rotor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Synchronous speed is when the rotor follows the rotating
>>>>>>>>>>>>> magnetic wave(s) of the stator. In an induction motor
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (asynchronous motor) this means no power transmission
>>>>>>>>>>>>> between the rotor and the stator. The motor is then
>>>>>>>>>>>>> working neither as motor or generator.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Slip is the ratio between the rotor speed and the rotating
>>>>>>>>>>>>> field speed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am slowly digesting this but I think my concept of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> locked rotor was/is in error. Always thought this was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when the rotor is locked to the rotational field from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stator with least amount of slip, seems like I am reading
>>>>>>>>>>>>> now it is most amount of slip.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you provide what locked rotor means to you and any
>>>>>>>>>>>>> additional information of what you think may be occurring
>>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond the everyday accepted definition?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/16/2018 5:55 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mick, Ole, Kone etal! I have been thinking a lot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about my Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading to come up with a fool proof Lenz free motor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> / generator combination which is so easy to build and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proof test! First of all you should read what we know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as facts! See the following articles:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found at K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ray's LENZ free generator. What I will propose is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very simple application of DC motor principles as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> read from the cited references. First you make your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LENZ free motor which is in reality a LINEAR MOTOR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Solenoid) which will give the necessary stroke
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> length to drive the LINEAR generator (Coil
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oscillating within the drag free, LENZ free area of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Neo magnets). Stroke of the solenoid is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT drive switch to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give an excursion rate (stroke) at a frequency of 60
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HZ. By using a DC pulse to drive the solenoid coil
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is tricked into being in LOCKED ROTOR condition,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thus no LENZ effect. Has the light come on yet??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We know that Ray's generator puts out a sine wave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> output (AC) with no LENZ drag. Following the DC motor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> principles as applied to the solenoid driver, you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a motor that is LENZ free also. The combo should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give an Over-unity output. Now the tricky part! We
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know as Ole will agree in that when you switch the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solenoid power to off state as magnetic flux is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building toward saturation there will be a huge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which we have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capture and not send to ground as ordinary practice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in solid state switch design (snubber diodes) The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capture of the SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> naturally will be the over-unity factor here!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting concept! Think about it! Norm Mick!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (accumulator HV caps)!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick mkjekyll@...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ole,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than otherwise, but it could also have to do with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noise in the core material as I was no using an air
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inductor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, onielsen@...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Mick,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disconnected from the reactive source then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discharged to a resistive load then reconnected
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recharged disconnected discharged etc. If the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claiming the same losses will occur as power factor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correcting the reactive back into real power?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes that's correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Common power factor correction in AC is for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eliminating the reactive power that doesn't do any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work but just heats the wires between the power
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plant and the reactive load. This is expensive for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the owners of the power transmission lines and thus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be avoided. First storing the energy in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capacitor (or inductor or battery) and then dumping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it to an active load will still make the power go
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in just one direction even though it happens in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pulses. The energy is then moving from the source
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the load. Reactive power has the energy moving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to and from the load and power source. The power
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moving between the capacitor and inductor in an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC-tank is pure reactive except for the loss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of the parasitic resistance in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> components and wires.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---In [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ole,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terminology and not concerning ourselves with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> patent just a very high Q tank.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disconnected from the reactive source then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discharged to a resistive load then reconnected
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recharged disconnected discharged etc. If the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claiming the same losses will occur as power factor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correcting the reactive back into real power?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have only read to the following paragraph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cited below. I wonder if the applicant knows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about what he is writing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connected in series to the capacitor and there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is voltage across the inductor connected in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parallel to the capacitor. Since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Power=voltage×current, a single power input
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> produces two branches of electromagnetic power
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> output, increasing the power output. In the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alternative, the present disclosure may have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one electromagnetic power output with less
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> energy input."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't as simple as this. If using an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oscilloscope for measuring the current and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voltage it will show some phase displacement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between the current and voltage which means
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reactive power. Look at the following small
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> videos to see how one can be misled if not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowing how the phase between the current and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voltage is: Only the the resistive part
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumes (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0:42
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part 3.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1:01
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part 2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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