Body
Mick! There is much more going on in the variable capacitor than meets
the eye! A mechanical analog would be like a human heart for it moves
fluid (blood) by squeezing through valves. It in reality is an electron
pump in effect. See: Resonance-assisted parametric electron pump See:
Spin-polarized parametric pumping: Theory and numerical results Ole has
been discussing this parametric pumping action.
On 11/21/2018 12:55 PM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
> See: Imbeded response.
>
> On 11/21/2018 12:43 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Hi Norm,
>>
>> This is correct. As you're proclaiming, in the end a magneto type
>> build may be a better solution than just hard switched coil banging
>> as it does seem to favor finesse over force allowing for more control
>> with fewer supporting parts. First in order to study this more in
>> depth I have to make sure my batt system is properly saturating the
>> iron core to create the pure current potential vacuum flux state.
>> Seems easier from the wall for some reason even though there should
>> be no diff in a DC charged cap of the same mFd charged to the same V
>> in the same time constant delivering a spike to saturate a core.
>> Will stop trying to correlate the wall power diff and move forward.
>>
>> That link has some interesting devices such as the vircator and some
>> good stuff on the pinch devices. It definitely conveys the concept
>> of total isolation and screw the source.
>>
>> On another subject, your electrostatic device induced me to think of
>> a motorized variometer and what odd functions it may allow for.
>>
>> When experimenting with your spinning variable cap what results did
>> you witness? ( Due to the rapid change in capacitance value you
>> could realize by use of diodes to get a multiplication of potential
>> at output which was steered to accumulator capacitors just like Kone
>> is trying to do. I proved to me that the effect is real which is what
>> Ole and crew are discussing It was the basis for the Hyde Device as
>> seen on Rex Research page.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mick
>>
>>
>> On 11/21/23:46 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Mick! I see now that you are attempting to get a SOURCE that is
>>> isolated so that you may be able to sustain the EMP pulse event.
>>> Battery/ inverter set up. If you use the EMP non nuclear device as
>>> an example you see that it is a one shot device since the long
>>> solenoid coil is progressively shorted by ultra high speed
>>> explosives while super saturated via capacitor discharge. See:
>>> https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/f20b/94c86b9620166bdb82556b5be93261c80c64.pdf
>>> All with device in total isolation from earth reference ground.
>>> Believe it or not, Tesla advocated this technique when he discussed
>>> taking pure iron into a state of super saturation (coil core) which
>>> Ole will attest to that the impedance drops to an air value. Doug
>>> was hitting on this with his coil shorting routine. The Hyde
>>> Generator was a variable capacitor machine and this is a variable
>>> inductance device. Please read how the current is amplified in the
>>> MFCG. In the Hyde generator, when the value of C is reduced there
>>> is a multiplication of the voltage (amplification). In the MFCG,
>>> when the value of L is taken to zero in a saturated state the
>>> current is multiplied (Amplification). Thanks for you effort!
>>> You will get there when armed with knowledge as to how this all
>>> works! Norm
>>>
>>> On 11/20/2018 7:23 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Norm,
>>>>
>>>> OK thanks back to the bench, need to check BH on the battery setup
>>>> again...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/20/2018 3:01 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I see that you still have not had your LIGHT COME ON YET. You are
>>>>> dwelling on the source side of the circuit which is not the
>>>>> answer. Simply put, you have to create the condition where you
>>>>> have a totally isolated charged inductor and charged capacitors
>>>>> (TOTALLY ISOLATED) from any ground reference. Energy simply
>>>>> cannot vanish into empty space. My 5 HP motor experiment
>>>>> accomplished the isolation condition and when the energy was
>>>>> annihilated, inductor energy & capacitor energy cancelled , I got
>>>>> the EMP response from the earth side of the circuit. To hell with
>>>>> the source, for once the inductor is flux loaded, to saturation
>>>>> and capacitors are charged, then the source is totally out of the
>>>>> equation. Once that starting contactor opens the source is no
>>>>> longer a factor. In all of my trials with this, I have never seen
>>>>> any degrading or rupture of dielectric material nor damage to any
>>>>> wiring, no matter how small. The energy is in the form of a very
>>>>> high freq (RF event) with very high current but no damage to small
>>>>> appliance motors. I lived in a Dallas neighborhood that had a
>>>>> power distribution sub station just down the street from me.
>>>>> Numerous times during lightning storms I had been awakened by my
>>>>> VHS VCR, old top loader, (turned off) tape mechanism start up and
>>>>> start to eject tape, get half way and reverse and put tape back
>>>>> down as before it started. Like a 1/2 cycle operation. This was
>>>>> sort of the same EMP neutral side surge which affected the tape
>>>>> drive mechanism. People see the sort of thing but are not smart
>>>>> enough to question why they happen! Sorry to say that most of
>>>>> my experimentation was done on the KEELY BBS and was a closed group.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/20/2018 11:33 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for the in depth post of your experience uncovering
>>>>>> this event. Sorry to frustrate you with what seem like
>>>>>> repetitive questions. Everything here is understood. My question
>>>>>> had to do with the source side of the whole systemic occurrence
>>>>>> and not that I don't understand just that I like things to be
>>>>>> very succinct in my small brain, therefore I was trying to map
>>>>>> out the circuit including all E and B field connections in order
>>>>>> that for instance the ceiling fan experiment be replicated from a
>>>>>> battery inverter source without connection to the utility. In
>>>>>> other words the DUH I brought up the other week. You have
>>>>>> explained the phenomenon and it's creation many times but seem to
>>>>>> have left out the functions from the source side of the circuit
>>>>>> and how that interacts with the whole experiment and magnetic
>>>>>> connect-anniliation-reconnect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have successfully replicated the shots to larger and smaller
>>>>>> scale while using the utility sourced power but not yet reliably
>>>>>> from an inverter driven isolated system so attempting to
>>>>>> determine the best way to move forward on the source side without
>>>>>> burning up any more devices or at least a minimum so. I think I
>>>>>> need to procure an iso transformer with a center tap and ground
>>>>>> it on the sink side to the center tap in order there is the
>>>>>> magnetic connection to the earth on source side in the first
>>>>>> place not just the ground rod on the sink side of the
>>>>>> experiment. Otherwise part two will require a giant stepdown of
>>>>>> similar proportions to a pole pig. Just trying to streamline and
>>>>>> keep expenses low.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope the above does not further frustrate you but rather
>>>>>> conveys the why of my question which I can see seemed to be
>>>>>> circular and puerile. Sorry to offend.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By the way I don't know if you had posted this story before but
>>>>>> with Yahoo and search and all your references to the neutral
>>>>>> spike event I have never uncovered it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank again!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/20/2018 6:58 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mick! I am getting just like Hector here by having to explain
>>>>>>> something over and over! I guess short memory is the cause for
>>>>>>> lack of understanding the whole project. First you have to go
>>>>>>> back to the 1981 ceiling fan, 1/6th HP capacitor run shaded pole
>>>>>>> motor problem. A wiring error by a Chinese assembly worker
>>>>>>> incorrectly wired the capacitor reversing switch into the
>>>>>>> neutral side of the circuit which provided a total isolation of
>>>>>>> charge while the switch was in transition from forward operation
>>>>>>> to reverse operation. Reversing switch would explode. This was
>>>>>>> my first encounter with the phenomenon which I researched and
>>>>>>> determined that it was a Magneto-Electric effect or better put,
>>>>>>> Magnetic flux annihilation-reconnect as we now know it. In
>>>>>>> Physics we have always been taught that energy cannot be
>>>>>>> destroyed but can change forms as we clearly see by simple
>>>>>>> experiment. With this knowledge tucked back in the memory bank,
>>>>>>> I had the occasion to encounter this phenomenon again in around
>>>>>>> 1984. A wealthy widow had remodeled her expansive Highland Park
>>>>>>> home (Dallas) and I had installed a projection TV system into
>>>>>>> her den. MS. Sharp called and said she had a Poltergeist in
>>>>>>> her den. When I arrived she served tea and told me to sit there
>>>>>>> and wait a few minutes. The TV screen and projector both
>>>>>>> started descending from the ceiling then reversed and went back
>>>>>>> up. Both these motors were shaded pole, capacitor run design so
>>>>>>> that switching via wall switch could reverse operation, either
>>>>>>> up or down against limit switches. Here is the Somfy motor
>>>>>>> example so you understand how they operate:
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMHEJ2iIu14&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>> When I went into attic to examine the motorized units the
>>>>>>> phenomenon occurred again. Sure enough the screen and projector
>>>>>>> descended half way down then reversed and retracted. Over my
>>>>>>> head was a powered turbo ventilator attic fan of shaded pole
>>>>>>> design which took off ZIIIIINNNNG , super fast acceleration up
>>>>>>> to a speed about 10X design speed but one big problem was that
>>>>>>> it took off backwards! The turbine took several minutes to coast
>>>>>>> down to a stop. A visit downstairs found that a small appliance
>>>>>>> like a counter top blender in the kitchen (shaded pole motor)
>>>>>>> would take off spinning backwards then stop. The only
>>>>>>> connection that all these motor had when sitting in a turned off
>>>>>>> state was a connection to the neutral buss. Interesting fact
>>>>>>> was that with the very small size motor windings and sudden
>>>>>>> fantastic acceleration up to very high speed (backwards) did no
>>>>>>> damage to the motors. I did an inspection to the mains breakers
>>>>>>> and house wiring including the service cabelling and earth
>>>>>>> ground at the mains panel. All was up to Dallas Code. While
>>>>>>> walking in side yard, I found a brand new installation of a 5
>>>>>>> ton A/C Condensing unit. in addition to the older 5 ton unit.
>>>>>>> Both units were earth bonded via the Required (Highland Park
>>>>>>> Code) 10 ft. ground rod at the units. Both units were 5 Ton,
>>>>>>> 230VAC single phase. While I was looking at the A/C units , the
>>>>>>> new one tried to start against a locked rotor condition. From
>>>>>>> contactor closure to WHUUUUUMP, EMP shot which you could feel
>>>>>>> the brissance in the ground took about 1/2 second. This was the
>>>>>>> source of the EMP event which caused the neutral buss to carry
>>>>>>> this very unusual form of energy. The A/C guys came out and
>>>>>>> replaced the compressor and rectified the situation but I came
>>>>>>> away with a better understanding a very common phenomenon that
>>>>>>> most do not take time to fully understand nor appreciate the
>>>>>>> implications. By studing the ongoing research of the natural
>>>>>>> occurrence of this EMP phenomenon from Solar magnetic storms
>>>>>>> Magnetic Annihilation -Reconnect which have been duplicated in
>>>>>>> Labs gathering better understanding of phenomenon. I elected to
>>>>>>> bench top duplicate the situation which I had observed back in
>>>>>>> 1984 at the Sharp residence. Since I was doing HVAC, Electrical
>>>>>>> and Electronics Contracting, I had many compressors at my
>>>>>>> disposal just like the one in the Carrier A/C unit. By
>>>>>>> hydraulic locking the compressor via filling with oil and
>>>>>>> pinching off the suction and discharge lines you have a fully
>>>>>>> locked up sealed unit See:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This unit utilizes a 40mfd start cap and a 5mfd run cap
>>>>>>> controlled by current relay. When energized via 2 pole,230VAC,
>>>>>>> starter contactor, both the start and run windings are
>>>>>>> energized. When the Over current relay senses the locked rotor
>>>>>>> current of 84 amps ( motor in magnetic saturation) the circuit
>>>>>>> is opened leaving the stored energy in total isolation with no
>>>>>>> ground reference. A NECESSARY CONDITION TO GET THE MAGNETIC
>>>>>>> FLUX ANNIHILATION-Re-CONNECT PHENOMENON or EMP. This
>>>>>>> experiment is something anyone can duplicate and observe the
>>>>>>> phenomenon for yourself. The reversible ceiling fan is the
>>>>>>> simplest and easiest and less expensive to replicate. Most
>>>>>>> current available reversible fans utilize the electrical
>>>>>>> capacitor relocation via toggle switch to reverse rotation. All
>>>>>>> you have to do is open up circuit and re-wire the cap so that
>>>>>>> you have a momentary loss of ground reference (neutral) while
>>>>>>> the reversing switch is in transit. Reverse it several times and
>>>>>>> you will explode switch! Now Mick, what do you not
>>>>>>> understand?? I was just too curious to let this go by without
>>>>>>> finding an answer. Just remember the Axiom, Energy cannot be
>>>>>>> destroyed but it can change forms.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/19/2018 10:04 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So why did you first notice this even at a clients, shorted
>>>>>>>> start cap or seized bearing? Interesting I have noticed a
>>>>>>>> ground rod near pool equipment with GFI but rarely have seen or
>>>>>>>> can recall one next to a heat pump or AC unit and 10 feet
>>>>>>>> ground rod damn that's deeper than a dirt nap. At 60hz the
>>>>>>>> capacitive coupling is negligible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unless I am misunderstanding something the L1-L2 at the supply
>>>>>>>> side... coupling to earth would still be at the transformer to
>>>>>>>> center tap neutral back at the pole then the neutral is ground
>>>>>>>> bonded at the service. Since it is on the sink side of the
>>>>>>>> transformer from the utility there is a direct path to ground
>>>>>>>> through a certain impedance,reactance and reluctance whatever
>>>>>>>> importance that plays into the event.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/19/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Locked means exactly what the term expresses! No rotor motion
>>>>>>>>> relative to stator! On the early 5 Ton A/C units they were
>>>>>>>>> service wired with a 3 conductor wip from service disconnect
>>>>>>>>> to A/C unit! You had L-1 & L-2 230VAC (hots) and a green earth
>>>>>>>>> bonding wire to motor and chasis frame. In addition, you had
>>>>>>>>> a10 ft. ground stake into earth ground to bond this outdoor
>>>>>>>>> installation for safety reasons. When over-current relay
>>>>>>>>> (84 amps) drops out starter contactor there is NO GROUND PATH
>>>>>>>>> to discipate the charge, both magbetic flux sayuration
>>>>>>>>> (Inductive power) and the two charged capacitors in the
>>>>>>>>> circuit. This energy is in an isolated state due to
>>>>>>>>> insulation in the motor windings and capacitors. Ole will jump
>>>>>>>>> in here and say there is capacitive coupling between motor
>>>>>>>>> frame and isolated capacitance and magnetic flux at
>>>>>>>>> saturation. I built and did the test on this phenomenon
>>>>>>>>> after I saw it in real life in a clients back yard. Easy to
>>>>>>>>> duplicate! The reversible ceiling fan trick can be done by
>>>>>>>>> anyone by just changing the wiring on the reversing capacitor
>>>>>>>>> in-order to float neutral while the reversing switch is in
>>>>>>>>> transition. Simple! ( BOOM)!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/18/2018 11:15 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How did you run the motor in locked mode, by preventing the
>>>>>>>>>> start cap from energizing?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When you experimented with the energy from this motor where
>>>>>>>>>> did you extract the differential, from the green wire running
>>>>>>>>>> back to the service panel or another grounding rod and from
>>>>>>>>>> the motor frame where the ground bonding clip usually is or
>>>>>>>>>> somewhere else?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Assuming frame on your dual winding induction motor was
>>>>>>>>>> isolated sink side from the stator windings by their
>>>>>>>>>> insulation as you mentioned earlier there was no neutral and
>>>>>>>>>> on the source side by the center tap in the pole pig?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not sure why I was thinking locked was synchronous mode as we
>>>>>>>>>> discussed earlier the concept of Mag Transmitter is to
>>>>>>>>>> saturate the core and release, or as Hector likes to say
>>>>>>>>>> switch off to turn on. Some major issues going on here, head
>>>>>>>>>> on backwards.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So impedance does opposite of a LC tank and dropped like a
>>>>>>>>>> series LC hmmm...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mick
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/18/2018 3:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks! Ole for the explanation! Rotation is required
>>>>>>>>>>> inorder for counter emf to be generated. In stalled rotor or
>>>>>>>>>>> locked rotor conditions, the current through the windings is
>>>>>>>>>>> only limited by R = resitance. My dual winding 5 HP motor in
>>>>>>>>>>> locked rotor had a combined current draw of 84 amps @ 230VAC
>>>>>>>>>>> input. When you look at the BH curve on a scope you see the
>>>>>>>>>>> magnetic flux build to saturation at which point the
>>>>>>>>>>> impedance is = to Zero ( air value) with R being the only
>>>>>>>>>>> limiting factor. (Ole). I used the dual winding motor for it
>>>>>>>>>>> has a starting cap value of 40mfd and a run cap with a value
>>>>>>>>>>> of 5 mfd, both of which are in circuit when current limiting
>>>>>>>>>>> relay drops circuit open yielding the Neutral Spike form
>>>>>>>>>>> ground. Magneto Electric effect. For it to work, the caps
>>>>>>>>>>> and motor windings have to be isolated from neutral and
>>>>>>>>>>> earth ground reference. the iron motor frame is earth
>>>>>>>>>>> bonded. Cancellation of energy in isolation will create an
>>>>>>>>>>> EMP earth ground response. This goes back to Page 25 of CSN
>>>>>>>>>>> by Tesla himself.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/17/2018 5:12 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Locked rotor is when the rotor is prevented from rotating.
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is also known as stalled rotor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Synchronous speed is when the rotor follows the rotating
>>>>>>>>>>>> magnetic wave(s) of the stator. In an induction motor
>>>>>>>>>>>> (asynchronous motor) this means no power transmission
>>>>>>>>>>>> between the rotor and the stator. The motor is then working
>>>>>>>>>>>> neither as motor or generator.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Slip is the ratio between the rotor speed and the rotating
>>>>>>>>>>>> field speed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ole
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am slowly digesting this but I think my concept of locked
>>>>>>>>>>>> rotor was/is in error. Always thought this was when the
>>>>>>>>>>>> rotor is locked to the rotational field from stator with
>>>>>>>>>>>> least amount of slip, seems like I am reading now it is
>>>>>>>>>>>> most amount of slip.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you provide what locked rotor means to you and any
>>>>>>>>>>>> additional information of what you think may be occurring
>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond the everyday accepted definition?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mick
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/16/2018 5:55 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mick, Ole, Kone etal! I have been thinking a lot
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about my Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading to come up with a fool proof Lenz free motor /
>>>>>>>>>>>>> generator combination which is so easy to build and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> proof test! First of all you should read what we know
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as facts! See the following articles:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> found at K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ray's LENZ free generator. What I will propose is very
>>>>>>>>>>>>> simple application of DC motor principles as read from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the cited references. First you make your LENZ free
>>>>>>>>>>>>> motor which is in reality a LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which will give the necessary stroke length to drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the LINEAR generator (Coil oscillating within the drag
>>>>>>>>>>>>> free, LENZ free area of the Neo magnets). Stroke of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the solenoid is controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT
>>>>>>>>>>>>> drive switch to give an excursion rate (stroke) at a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> frequency of 60 HZ. By using a DC pulse to drive the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> solenoid coil it is tricked into being in LOCKED ROTOR
>>>>>>>>>>>>> condition, thus no LENZ effect. Has the light come on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet?? We know that Ray's generator puts out a sine
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wave output (AC) with no LENZ drag. Following the DC
>>>>>>>>>>>>> motor principles as applied to the solenoid driver,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have a motor that is LENZ free also. The combo
>>>>>>>>>>>>> should give an Over-unity output. Now the tricky
>>>>>>>>>>>>> part! We know as Ole will agree in that when you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> switch the solenoid power to off state as magnetic
>>>>>>>>>>>>> flux is building toward saturation there will be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> huge voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which we have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> capture and not send to ground as ordinary practice in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> solid state switch design (snubber diodes) The
>>>>>>>>>>>>> capture of the SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs
>>>>>>>>>>>>> naturally will be the over-unity factor here!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting concept! Think about it! Norm Mick!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (accumulator HV caps)!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick mkjekyll@...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ole,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> otherwise, but it could also have to do with noise in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the core material as I was no using an air inductor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, onielsen@...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Mick,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disconnected from the reactive source then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discharged to a resistive load then reconnected
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recharged disconnected discharged etc. If the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claiming the same losses will occur as power factor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correcting the reactive back into real power?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes that's correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Common power factor correction in AC is for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eliminating the reactive power that doesn't do any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work but just heats the wires between the power
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plant and the reactive load. This is expensive for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the owners of the power transmission lines and thus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be avoided. First storing the energy in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capacitor (or inductor or battery) and then dumping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it to an active load will still make the power go in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just one direction even though it happens in pulses.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The energy is then moving from the source to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> load. Reactive power has the energy moving to and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the load and power source. The power moving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between the capacitor and inductor in an LC-tank is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pure reactive except for the loss because of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parasitic resistance in the components and wires.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---In [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ole,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terminology and not concerning ourselves with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> patent just a very high Q tank.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the reactive source then discharged to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resistive load then reconnected energized back to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the standing wave modality recharged disconnected
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discharged etc. If the reactive energy is harvested
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in this manner are you claiming the same losses will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occur as power factor correcting the reactive back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into real power?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have only read to the following paragraph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cited below. I wonder if the applicant knows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about what he is writing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connected in series to the capacitor and there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is voltage across the inductor connected in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parallel to the capacitor. Since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Power=voltage×current, a single power input
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> produces two branches of electromagnetic power
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> output, increasing the power output. In the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alternative, the present disclosure may have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one electromagnetic power output with less
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> energy input."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't as simple as this. If using an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oscilloscope for measuring the current and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voltage it will show some phase displacement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between the current and voltage which means
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reactive power. Look at the following small
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> videos to see how one can be misled if not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowing how the phase between the current and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voltage is: Only the the resistive part
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumes (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0:42
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part 3.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1:01
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part 2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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