Re: [EVGRAY] Re: Neutral spike [1 Attachment]

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On 11/21/2018 12:43 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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> Hi Norm,
>
> This is correct.   As you're proclaiming, in the end a magneto type 
> build may be a better solution than just hard switched coil banging as 
> it does seem to favor finesse over force allowing for more control 
> with fewer supporting parts.  First in order to study this more in 
> depth I have to make sure my batt system is properly saturating the 
> iron core to create the pure current potential vacuum flux state.  
> Seems easier from the wall for some reason even though there should be 
> no diff in a DC charged cap of the same mFd charged to the same V in 
> the same time constant delivering a spike to saturate a core.  Will 
> stop trying to correlate the wall power diff and move forward.
>
> That link has some interesting devices such as the vircator and some 
> good stuff on the pinch devices.   It definitely conveys the concept 
> of total isolation and screw the source.
>
> On another subject, your electrostatic device induced me to think of a 
> motorized variometer and what odd functions it may allow for.
>
> When experimenting with your spinning variable cap what results did 
> you witness?  ( Due to the rapid change in capacitance value you could 
> realize by use of diodes to get a multiplication of potential at 
> output which was steered to accumulator capacitors just like Kone is 
> trying to do. I proved to me that the effect is real which is what Ole 
> and crew are discussing It was the basis for the Hyde Device as seen 
> on Rex Research page.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mick
>
>
> On 11/21/23:46 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>> Mick!  I see now that you are attempting to get a SOURCE that is 
>> isolated so that you may be able to sustain the EMP pulse event.  
>> Battery/ inverter set up.  If you use the EMP non nuclear device as 
>> an example you see that it is a one shot device since the long 
>> solenoid coil is progressively shorted by ultra high speed explosives 
>> while super saturated via capacitor discharge. See: 
>> https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/f20b/94c86b9620166bdb82556b5be93261c80c64.pdf 
>> All with device in total isolation from earth reference ground. 
>> Believe it or not, Tesla advocated this technique when he discussed 
>> taking pure iron into a state of super saturation (coil core) which 
>> Ole will attest to that the impedance drops to an air value. Doug was 
>> hitting on this with his coil shorting routine.  The Hyde Generator 
>> was a variable capacitor machine and this is a variable inductance 
>> device. Please read how the current is amplified in the MFCG.    In 
>> the Hyde generator, when the value of C is reduced there is a 
>> multiplication of the voltage (amplification). In the MFCG, when the 
>> value of L is taken to zero in a saturated state the current is 
>> multiplied (Amplification).   Thanks for you effort! You will get 
>> there when armed with knowledge as to how this all works!   Norm
>>
>> On 11/20/2018 7:23 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Norm,
>>>
>>> OK thanks back to the bench, need to check BH on the battery setup 
>>> again...
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/20/2018 3:01 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I see that you still have not had your LIGHT COME ON YET.  You are 
>>>> dwelling on the source side of the circuit which is not the answer. 
>>>> Simply put, you have to create the condition where you have a 
>>>> totally isolated charged inductor and charged capacitors (TOTALLY 
>>>> ISOLATED) from any ground reference.  Energy simply cannot vanish 
>>>> into empty space.   My 5 HP motor experiment accomplished the 
>>>> isolation condition and when the energy was annihilated, inductor 
>>>> energy & capacitor energy cancelled , I got the EMP response from 
>>>> the earth side of the circuit.  To hell with the source, for once 
>>>> the inductor is flux loaded, to saturation and capacitors are 
>>>> charged, then the source is totally out of the equation. Once that 
>>>> starting contactor opens the source is no longer a factor.  In all 
>>>> of my trials with this, I have never seen any degrading or rupture 
>>>> of dielectric material nor damage to any wiring, no matter how 
>>>> small. The energy is in the form of a very high freq (RF event) 
>>>> with very high current but no damage to small appliance motors.  I 
>>>> lived in a Dallas neighborhood that had a power distribution sub 
>>>> station just down the street from me. Numerous times during 
>>>> lightning storms I had been awakened by my VHS VCR, old top loader, 
>>>> (turned off) tape mechanism start up and start to eject tape, get 
>>>> half way and reverse and put tape back down as before it started. 
>>>> Like a 1/2 cycle operation.  This was sort of the same EMP neutral 
>>>> side surge which affected the tape drive mechanism.  People see the 
>>>> sort of thing but are not smart enough to question why they 
>>>> happen!      Sorry to say that most of my experimentation was done 
>>>> on the KEELY BBS and was a closed group.
>>>>
>>>> On 11/20/2018 11:33 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for the in depth post of your experience uncovering this 
>>>>> event.  Sorry to frustrate you with what seem like repetitive 
>>>>> questions. Everything here is understood.  My question had to do 
>>>>> with the source side of the whole systemic occurrence and not that 
>>>>> I don't understand just that I like things to be very succinct in 
>>>>> my small brain, therefore I was trying to map out the circuit 
>>>>> including all E and B field connections in order that for instance 
>>>>> the ceiling fan experiment be replicated from a battery inverter 
>>>>> source without connection to the utility.  In other words the DUH 
>>>>> I brought up the other week.  You have explained the phenomenon 
>>>>> and it's creation many times but seem to have left out the 
>>>>> functions from the source side of the circuit and how that 
>>>>> interacts with the whole experiment and magnetic 
>>>>> connect-anniliation-reconnect.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have successfully replicated the shots to larger and smaller 
>>>>> scale while using the utility sourced power but not yet reliably 
>>>>> from an inverter driven isolated system so attempting to determine 
>>>>> the best way to move forward on the source side without burning up 
>>>>> any more devices or at least a minimum so.  I think I need to 
>>>>> procure an iso transformer with a center tap and ground it on the 
>>>>> sink side to the center tap in order there is the magnetic 
>>>>> connection to the earth on source side in the first place not just 
>>>>> the ground rod on the sink side of the experiment. Otherwise part 
>>>>> two will require a giant stepdown of similar proportions to a pole 
>>>>> pig.  Just trying to streamline and keep expenses low.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope the above does not further frustrate you but rather conveys 
>>>>> the why of my question which I can see seemed to be circular and 
>>>>> puerile. Sorry to offend.
>>>>>
>>>>> By the way I don't know if you had posted this story before but 
>>>>> with Yahoo and search and all your references to the neutral spike 
>>>>> event I have never uncovered it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank again!
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/20/2018 6:58 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mick!  I am getting just like Hector here by having to explain 
>>>>>> something over and over!  I guess short memory is the cause for 
>>>>>> lack of understanding the whole project.   First you have to go 
>>>>>> back to the 1981 ceiling fan, 1/6th HP capacitor run shaded pole 
>>>>>> motor problem. A wiring error by a Chinese assembly worker 
>>>>>> incorrectly wired the capacitor reversing switch into the neutral 
>>>>>> side of the circuit which provided a total isolation of charge 
>>>>>> while the switch was in transition from forward operation  to 
>>>>>> reverse operation. Reversing switch would explode.  This was my 
>>>>>> first encounter with the phenomenon which I researched and 
>>>>>> determined that it was a Magneto-Electric effect or better put, 
>>>>>> Magnetic flux annihilation-reconnect as we now know it. In 
>>>>>> Physics we have always been taught that energy cannot be 
>>>>>> destroyed but can change forms as we clearly see by simple 
>>>>>> experiment. With this knowledge tucked back in the memory bank, I 
>>>>>> had the occasion to encounter this phenomenon again in around 
>>>>>> 1984. A wealthy widow had remodeled her expansive Highland Park 
>>>>>> home (Dallas) and I had installed a projection TV system into her 
>>>>>> den. MS. Sharp called and said  she had a Poltergeist in her den. 
>>>>>> When I arrived she served tea and told me to sit there and wait a 
>>>>>> few minutes.  The TV screen and projector both started descending 
>>>>>> from the ceiling then reversed and went back up.  Both these 
>>>>>> motors were shaded pole, capacitor run design so that switching 
>>>>>> via wall switch could reverse operation, either up or down 
>>>>>> against limit switches. Here is the Somfy motor example so you 
>>>>>> understand how they operate: 
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMHEJ2iIu14&feature=youtu.be When 
>>>>>> I went into attic to examine the motorized units the phenomenon 
>>>>>> occurred again. Sure enough the screen and projector descended 
>>>>>> half way down then reversed and retracted. Over my head was a 
>>>>>> powered turbo ventilator attic fan of shaded pole design which 
>>>>>> took off ZIIIIINNNNG , super fast acceleration up to a speed 
>>>>>> about 10X design speed but one big problem was that it took off 
>>>>>> backwards! The turbine took several minutes to coast down to a 
>>>>>> stop.  A visit downstairs found that a small appliance like a 
>>>>>> counter top blender in the kitchen (shaded pole motor) would take 
>>>>>> off spinning backwards then stop.  The only connection that all 
>>>>>> these motor had when sitting in a turned off state was a 
>>>>>> connection to the neutral buss.   Interesting fact was that with 
>>>>>> the very small size motor windings and sudden fantastic 
>>>>>> acceleration up to very high speed (backwards) did no damage to 
>>>>>> the motors. I did an inspection to the mains breakers and house 
>>>>>> wiring including the service cabelling and earth ground at the 
>>>>>> mains panel. All was up to Dallas Code. While walking in side 
>>>>>> yard, I found a brand new installation of a 5 ton A/C Condensing 
>>>>>> unit. in addition to the older 5 ton unit. Both units were earth 
>>>>>> bonded via the Required (Highland Park Code) 10 ft. ground rod at 
>>>>>> the units.  Both units were 5  Ton, 230VAC single phase.   While 
>>>>>> I was looking at the A/C units , the new one tried to start 
>>>>>> against a locked rotor condition.  From contactor closure to 
>>>>>> WHUUUUUMP, EMP shot which you could feel the brissance in the 
>>>>>> ground took about 1/2 second.  This was the source of the EMP 
>>>>>> event which caused the neutral buss to carry this very unusual 
>>>>>> form of energy.  The A/C guys came out and replaced the 
>>>>>> compressor and rectified the situation but I came away with a 
>>>>>> better understanding a very common phenomenon that most do not 
>>>>>> take time to fully understand nor appreciate the implications.   
>>>>>> By studing the ongoing research of the natural occurrence of this 
>>>>>> EMP phenomenon from Solar magnetic storms Magnetic Annihilation 
>>>>>> -Reconnect which have been duplicated in Labs gathering better 
>>>>>> understanding of phenomenon. I elected to bench top duplicate the 
>>>>>> situation which I had observed back in 1984 at the Sharp 
>>>>>> residence.  Since I was doing HVAC, Electrical and Electronics 
>>>>>> Contracting, I had many compressors at my disposal just like the 
>>>>>> one in the Carrier A/C unit.    By hydraulic locking the 
>>>>>> compressor via filling with oil and pinching off the suction and 
>>>>>> discharge lines you have a fully locked up sealed unit See:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This unit utilizes a 40mfd start cap and a 5mfd run cap 
>>>>>> controlled by current relay.  When energized via 2 pole,230VAC, 
>>>>>> starter contactor, both the start and run windings are energized. 
>>>>>> When the Over current relay senses the locked rotor current of 84 
>>>>>> amps ( motor in magnetic saturation) the circuit is opened 
>>>>>> leaving the stored energy in total isolation with no ground 
>>>>>> reference.  A NECESSARY CONDITION TO GET THE MAGNETIC FLUX 
>>>>>> ANNIHILATION-Re-CONNECT PHENOMENON or EMP.     This experiment is 
>>>>>> something anyone can duplicate and observe the phenomenon for 
>>>>>> yourself.  The reversible ceiling fan is the simplest and easiest 
>>>>>> and less expensive to replicate. Most current available 
>>>>>> reversible fans utilize the electrical capacitor relocation via 
>>>>>> toggle switch to reverse rotation.  All you have to do is open up 
>>>>>> circuit and re-wire the cap so that you have a momentary loss of 
>>>>>> ground reference (neutral) while the reversing switch is in 
>>>>>> transit. Reverse it several times and you will explode switch!   
>>>>>> Now Mick, what do you not understand??   I was just too curious 
>>>>>> to let this go by without finding an answer.   Just remember the 
>>>>>> Axiom, Energy cannot be destroyed but it can change forms.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/19/2018 10:04 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So why did you first notice this even at a clients, shorted 
>>>>>>> start cap or seized bearing? Interesting I have noticed a ground 
>>>>>>> rod near pool equipment with GFI but rarely have seen or can 
>>>>>>> recall one next to a heat pump or AC unit and 10 feet ground rod 
>>>>>>> damn that's deeper than a dirt nap.  At 60hz the capacitive 
>>>>>>> coupling is negligible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unless I am misunderstanding something the L1-L2 at the supply 
>>>>>>> side... coupling to earth would still be at the transformer to 
>>>>>>> center tap neutral back at the pole then the neutral is ground 
>>>>>>> bonded at the service.  Since it is on the sink side of the 
>>>>>>> transformer from the utility there is a direct path to ground 
>>>>>>> through a certain impedance,reactance and reluctance whatever 
>>>>>>> importance that plays into the event.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/19/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Locked means exactly what the term expresses! No rotor motion 
>>>>>>>> relative to stator!  On the early 5 Ton A/C units they were 
>>>>>>>> service wired with a 3 conductor wip from service disconnect to 
>>>>>>>> A/C unit! You had L-1 & L-2 230VAC (hots) and a green earth 
>>>>>>>> bonding wire to motor and chasis frame. In addition, you had 
>>>>>>>> a10 ft. ground stake into earth ground to bond this outdoor 
>>>>>>>> installation for safety reasons.    When over-current relay (84 
>>>>>>>> amps) drops out starter contactor there is NO GROUND PATH to 
>>>>>>>> discipate the charge, both magbetic flux sayuration (Inductive 
>>>>>>>> power) and the two charged capacitors in the circuit.  This 
>>>>>>>> energy is in an isolated state due to insulation in the motor 
>>>>>>>> windings and capacitors.   Ole will jump in here and say there 
>>>>>>>> is capacitive coupling between motor frame and isolated 
>>>>>>>> capacitance and magnetic flux at saturation.    I built and did 
>>>>>>>> the test on this phenomenon after I saw it in real life in a 
>>>>>>>> clients back yard.  Easy to duplicate!  The reversible ceiling 
>>>>>>>> fan trick can be done by anyone by just changing the wiring on 
>>>>>>>> the reversing capacitor in-order to float neutral while the 
>>>>>>>> reversing switch is in transition. Simple!   ( BOOM)!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/18/2018 11:15 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How did you run the motor in locked mode, by preventing the 
>>>>>>>>> start cap from energizing?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When you experimented with the energy from this motor where 
>>>>>>>>> did you extract the differential, from the green wire running 
>>>>>>>>> back to the service panel or another grounding rod and from 
>>>>>>>>> the motor frame where the ground bonding clip usually is or 
>>>>>>>>> somewhere else?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Assuming frame on your dual winding induction motor was 
>>>>>>>>> isolated sink side from the stator windings by their 
>>>>>>>>> insulation  as you mentioned earlier there was no neutral and 
>>>>>>>>> on the source side by the center tap in the pole pig?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not sure why I was thinking locked was synchronous mode as we 
>>>>>>>>> discussed earlier the concept of Mag Transmitter is to 
>>>>>>>>> saturate the core and release, or as Hector likes to say 
>>>>>>>>> switch off to turn on.  Some major issues going on here, head 
>>>>>>>>> on backwards.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So impedance does opposite of a LC tank and dropped like a 
>>>>>>>>> series LC hmmm...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mick
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/18/2018 3:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks! Ole for the explanation!  Rotation is required 
>>>>>>>>>> inorder for counter emf to be generated. In stalled rotor or 
>>>>>>>>>> locked rotor conditions, the current through the windings is 
>>>>>>>>>> only limited by R = resitance. My dual winding 5 HP motor in 
>>>>>>>>>> locked rotor had a combined current draw of 84 amps @ 230VAC 
>>>>>>>>>> input. When you look at the BH curve on a scope you see the 
>>>>>>>>>> magnetic flux build to saturation at which point the 
>>>>>>>>>> impedance is = to Zero ( air value) with R being the only 
>>>>>>>>>> limiting factor. (Ole). I used the dual winding motor for it 
>>>>>>>>>> has a starting cap value of 40mfd and a run cap with a value 
>>>>>>>>>> of 5 mfd, both of which are in circuit when current limiting 
>>>>>>>>>> relay drops circuit open yielding the Neutral Spike form 
>>>>>>>>>> ground.   Magneto Electric effect. For it to work, the caps 
>>>>>>>>>> and motor windings have to be isolated from neutral and earth 
>>>>>>>>>> ground reference.  the iron motor frame is earth bonded. 
>>>>>>>>>> Cancellation of energy in isolation will create an EMP earth 
>>>>>>>>>> ground response.  This goes back to Page 25 of CSN by Tesla 
>>>>>>>>>> himself.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/17/2018 5:12 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Locked rotor is when the rotor is prevented from rotating. 
>>>>>>>>>>> This is also known as stalled rotor.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Synchronous speed is when the rotor follows the rotating 
>>>>>>>>>>> magnetic wave(s) of the stator. In an induction motor 
>>>>>>>>>>> (asynchronous motor) this means no power transmission 
>>>>>>>>>>> between the rotor and the stator. The motor is then working 
>>>>>>>>>>> neither as motor or generator.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Slip is the ratio between the rotor speed and the rotating 
>>>>>>>>>>> field speed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>> Ole
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am slowly digesting this but I think my concept of locked 
>>>>>>>>>>> rotor was/is in error.  Always thought this was when the 
>>>>>>>>>>> rotor is locked to the rotational field from stator with 
>>>>>>>>>>> least amount of slip, seems like I am reading now it is most 
>>>>>>>>>>> amount of slip.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Can you provide what locked rotor means to you and any 
>>>>>>>>>>> additional information of what you think may be occurring 
>>>>>>>>>>> beyond the everyday accepted definition?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mick
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/16/2018 5:55 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... 
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot about
>>>>>>>>>>>>     my Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot of reading to
>>>>>>>>>>>>     come up with a fool proof Lenz free motor / generator
>>>>>>>>>>>>     combination which is so easy to build and proof test!
>>>>>>>>>>>>     First of all you should read what we know as facts! See
>>>>>>>>>>>>     the following articles:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found
>>>>>>>>>>>>     at K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of the Ray's
>>>>>>>>>>>>     LENZ free generator. What I will propose is very simple
>>>>>>>>>>>>     application of DC motor principles as read from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>     cited references. First you make your LENZ free  motor
>>>>>>>>>>>>     which is in reality a LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which
>>>>>>>>>>>>     will give the necessary stroke length to drive the
>>>>>>>>>>>>     LINEAR generator (Coil oscillating within the drag
>>>>>>>>>>>>     free, LENZ free area of the Neo magnets). Stroke of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>     solenoid is controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>     switch to give an excursion rate (stroke) at a
>>>>>>>>>>>>     frequency of 60 HZ. By using a DC pulse  to drive the
>>>>>>>>>>>>     solenoid coil it is tricked into being in LOCKED ROTOR
>>>>>>>>>>>>     condition, thus no LENZ effect.  Has the light come on
>>>>>>>>>>>>     yet??   We know that Ray's generator puts out a sine
>>>>>>>>>>>>     wave output (AC) with no LENZ drag. Following the DC
>>>>>>>>>>>>     motor principles as applied to the solenoid driver, you
>>>>>>>>>>>>     have a motor that is LENZ free also. The combo should
>>>>>>>>>>>>     give an Over-unity output. Now the tricky part!  We
>>>>>>>>>>>>     know as Ole will agree in that when you switch the
>>>>>>>>>>>>     solenoid power to off state as magnetic flux is
>>>>>>>>>>>>     building toward saturation there will be a huge voltage
>>>>>>>>>>>>     spike (Neutral Spike) which we have to capture and not
>>>>>>>>>>>>     send to ground as ordinary practice in solid state
>>>>>>>>>>>>     switch design (snubber diodes)  The capture of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>     SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs naturally will be the
>>>>>>>>>>>>     over-unity factor here! Interesting concept! Think
>>>>>>>>>>>>     about it!  Norm Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick mkjekyll@...
>>>>>>>>>>>>     <mailto:mkjekyll@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Ole,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     otherwise, but it could also have to do with noise in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     the core material as I was no using an air inductor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, onielsen@...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Hi Mick,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     from the reactive source then discharged to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     resistive load then reconnected energized back to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     standing wave modality recharged disconnected
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     in this manner are you claiming the same losses will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     occur as power factor correcting the reactive back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     into real power?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Yes that's correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Common power factor correction in AC is for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     eliminating the reactive power that doesn't do any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     work but just heats the wires between the power plant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     and the reactive load. This is expensive for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     owners of the power transmission lines and thus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     should be avoided. First storing the energy in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     capacitor (or inductor or battery) and then dumping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     it to an active load will still make the power go in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     just one direction even though it happens in pulses.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     The energy is then moving from the source to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     load. Reactive power has the energy moving to and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     from the load and power source. The power moving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     between the capacitor and inductor in an LC-tank is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     pure reactive except for the loss because of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     parasitic resistance in the components and wires.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Ole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     ---In [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Ole,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     terminology and not concerning ourselves with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     patent just a very high Q tank.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     from the reactive source then discharged to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     resistive load then reconnected energized back to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     standing wave modality recharged disconnected
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     in this manner are you claiming the same losses will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     occur as power factor correcting the reactive back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     into real power?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         I have only read to the following paragraph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         cited below. I wonder if the applicant knows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         about what he is writing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         connected in series to the capacitor and there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         is voltage across the inductor connected in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         parallel to the capacitor. Since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Power=voltage×current, a single power input
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         produces two branches of electromagnetic power
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         output, increasing the power output. In the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         alternative, the present disclosure may have one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         electromagnetic power output with less energy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         input."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         It isn't as simple as this. If using an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         oscilloscope for measuring the current and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         voltage it will show some phase displacement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         between the current and voltage which means
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         reactive power. Look at the following small
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         videos to see how one can be misled if not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         knowing how the phase between the current and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         voltage is: Only the the resistive part consumes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         0:42
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               part 3.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         1:01
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               part 2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         10K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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