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On 11/21/2018 12:43 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Hi Norm,
>
> This is correct. As you're proclaiming, in the end a magneto type
> build may be a better solution than just hard switched coil banging as
> it does seem to favor finesse over force allowing for more control
> with fewer supporting parts. First in order to study this more in
> depth I have to make sure my batt system is properly saturating the
> iron core to create the pure current potential vacuum flux state.
> Seems easier from the wall for some reason even though there should be
> no diff in a DC charged cap of the same mFd charged to the same V in
> the same time constant delivering a spike to saturate a core. Will
> stop trying to correlate the wall power diff and move forward.
>
> That link has some interesting devices such as the vircator and some
> good stuff on the pinch devices. It definitely conveys the concept
> of total isolation and screw the source.
>
> On another subject, your electrostatic device induced me to think of a
> motorized variometer and what odd functions it may allow for.
>
> When experimenting with your spinning variable cap what results did
> you witness? ( Due to the rapid change in capacitance value you could
> realize by use of diodes to get a multiplication of potential at
> output which was steered to accumulator capacitors just like Kone is
> trying to do. I proved to me that the effect is real which is what Ole
> and crew are discussing It was the basis for the Hyde Device as seen
> on Rex Research page.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mick
>
>
> On 11/21/23:46 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Mick! I see now that you are attempting to get a SOURCE that is
>> isolated so that you may be able to sustain the EMP pulse event.
>> Battery/ inverter set up. If you use the EMP non nuclear device as
>> an example you see that it is a one shot device since the long
>> solenoid coil is progressively shorted by ultra high speed explosives
>> while super saturated via capacitor discharge. See:
>> https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/f20b/94c86b9620166bdb82556b5be93261c80c64.pdf
>> All with device in total isolation from earth reference ground.
>> Believe it or not, Tesla advocated this technique when he discussed
>> taking pure iron into a state of super saturation (coil core) which
>> Ole will attest to that the impedance drops to an air value. Doug was
>> hitting on this with his coil shorting routine. The Hyde Generator
>> was a variable capacitor machine and this is a variable inductance
>> device. Please read how the current is amplified in the MFCG. In
>> the Hyde generator, when the value of C is reduced there is a
>> multiplication of the voltage (amplification). In the MFCG, when the
>> value of L is taken to zero in a saturated state the current is
>> multiplied (Amplification). Thanks for you effort! You will get
>> there when armed with knowledge as to how this all works! Norm
>>
>> On 11/20/2018 7:23 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Norm,
>>>
>>> OK thanks back to the bench, need to check BH on the battery setup
>>> again...
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/20/2018 3:01 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I see that you still have not had your LIGHT COME ON YET. You are
>>>> dwelling on the source side of the circuit which is not the answer.
>>>> Simply put, you have to create the condition where you have a
>>>> totally isolated charged inductor and charged capacitors (TOTALLY
>>>> ISOLATED) from any ground reference. Energy simply cannot vanish
>>>> into empty space. My 5 HP motor experiment accomplished the
>>>> isolation condition and when the energy was annihilated, inductor
>>>> energy & capacitor energy cancelled , I got the EMP response from
>>>> the earth side of the circuit. To hell with the source, for once
>>>> the inductor is flux loaded, to saturation and capacitors are
>>>> charged, then the source is totally out of the equation. Once that
>>>> starting contactor opens the source is no longer a factor. In all
>>>> of my trials with this, I have never seen any degrading or rupture
>>>> of dielectric material nor damage to any wiring, no matter how
>>>> small. The energy is in the form of a very high freq (RF event)
>>>> with very high current but no damage to small appliance motors. I
>>>> lived in a Dallas neighborhood that had a power distribution sub
>>>> station just down the street from me. Numerous times during
>>>> lightning storms I had been awakened by my VHS VCR, old top loader,
>>>> (turned off) tape mechanism start up and start to eject tape, get
>>>> half way and reverse and put tape back down as before it started.
>>>> Like a 1/2 cycle operation. This was sort of the same EMP neutral
>>>> side surge which affected the tape drive mechanism. People see the
>>>> sort of thing but are not smart enough to question why they
>>>> happen! Sorry to say that most of my experimentation was done
>>>> on the KEELY BBS and was a closed group.
>>>>
>>>> On 11/20/2018 11:33 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for the in depth post of your experience uncovering this
>>>>> event. Sorry to frustrate you with what seem like repetitive
>>>>> questions. Everything here is understood. My question had to do
>>>>> with the source side of the whole systemic occurrence and not that
>>>>> I don't understand just that I like things to be very succinct in
>>>>> my small brain, therefore I was trying to map out the circuit
>>>>> including all E and B field connections in order that for instance
>>>>> the ceiling fan experiment be replicated from a battery inverter
>>>>> source without connection to the utility. In other words the DUH
>>>>> I brought up the other week. You have explained the phenomenon
>>>>> and it's creation many times but seem to have left out the
>>>>> functions from the source side of the circuit and how that
>>>>> interacts with the whole experiment and magnetic
>>>>> connect-anniliation-reconnect.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have successfully replicated the shots to larger and smaller
>>>>> scale while using the utility sourced power but not yet reliably
>>>>> from an inverter driven isolated system so attempting to determine
>>>>> the best way to move forward on the source side without burning up
>>>>> any more devices or at least a minimum so. I think I need to
>>>>> procure an iso transformer with a center tap and ground it on the
>>>>> sink side to the center tap in order there is the magnetic
>>>>> connection to the earth on source side in the first place not just
>>>>> the ground rod on the sink side of the experiment. Otherwise part
>>>>> two will require a giant stepdown of similar proportions to a pole
>>>>> pig. Just trying to streamline and keep expenses low.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope the above does not further frustrate you but rather conveys
>>>>> the why of my question which I can see seemed to be circular and
>>>>> puerile. Sorry to offend.
>>>>>
>>>>> By the way I don't know if you had posted this story before but
>>>>> with Yahoo and search and all your references to the neutral spike
>>>>> event I have never uncovered it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank again!
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/20/2018 6:58 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mick! I am getting just like Hector here by having to explain
>>>>>> something over and over! I guess short memory is the cause for
>>>>>> lack of understanding the whole project. First you have to go
>>>>>> back to the 1981 ceiling fan, 1/6th HP capacitor run shaded pole
>>>>>> motor problem. A wiring error by a Chinese assembly worker
>>>>>> incorrectly wired the capacitor reversing switch into the neutral
>>>>>> side of the circuit which provided a total isolation of charge
>>>>>> while the switch was in transition from forward operation to
>>>>>> reverse operation. Reversing switch would explode. This was my
>>>>>> first encounter with the phenomenon which I researched and
>>>>>> determined that it was a Magneto-Electric effect or better put,
>>>>>> Magnetic flux annihilation-reconnect as we now know it. In
>>>>>> Physics we have always been taught that energy cannot be
>>>>>> destroyed but can change forms as we clearly see by simple
>>>>>> experiment. With this knowledge tucked back in the memory bank, I
>>>>>> had the occasion to encounter this phenomenon again in around
>>>>>> 1984. A wealthy widow had remodeled her expansive Highland Park
>>>>>> home (Dallas) and I had installed a projection TV system into her
>>>>>> den. MS. Sharp called and said she had a Poltergeist in her den.
>>>>>> When I arrived she served tea and told me to sit there and wait a
>>>>>> few minutes. The TV screen and projector both started descending
>>>>>> from the ceiling then reversed and went back up. Both these
>>>>>> motors were shaded pole, capacitor run design so that switching
>>>>>> via wall switch could reverse operation, either up or down
>>>>>> against limit switches. Here is the Somfy motor example so you
>>>>>> understand how they operate:
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMHEJ2iIu14&feature=youtu.be When
>>>>>> I went into attic to examine the motorized units the phenomenon
>>>>>> occurred again. Sure enough the screen and projector descended
>>>>>> half way down then reversed and retracted. Over my head was a
>>>>>> powered turbo ventilator attic fan of shaded pole design which
>>>>>> took off ZIIIIINNNNG , super fast acceleration up to a speed
>>>>>> about 10X design speed but one big problem was that it took off
>>>>>> backwards! The turbine took several minutes to coast down to a
>>>>>> stop. A visit downstairs found that a small appliance like a
>>>>>> counter top blender in the kitchen (shaded pole motor) would take
>>>>>> off spinning backwards then stop. The only connection that all
>>>>>> these motor had when sitting in a turned off state was a
>>>>>> connection to the neutral buss. Interesting fact was that with
>>>>>> the very small size motor windings and sudden fantastic
>>>>>> acceleration up to very high speed (backwards) did no damage to
>>>>>> the motors. I did an inspection to the mains breakers and house
>>>>>> wiring including the service cabelling and earth ground at the
>>>>>> mains panel. All was up to Dallas Code. While walking in side
>>>>>> yard, I found a brand new installation of a 5 ton A/C Condensing
>>>>>> unit. in addition to the older 5 ton unit. Both units were earth
>>>>>> bonded via the Required (Highland Park Code) 10 ft. ground rod at
>>>>>> the units. Both units were 5 Ton, 230VAC single phase. While
>>>>>> I was looking at the A/C units , the new one tried to start
>>>>>> against a locked rotor condition. From contactor closure to
>>>>>> WHUUUUUMP, EMP shot which you could feel the brissance in the
>>>>>> ground took about 1/2 second. This was the source of the EMP
>>>>>> event which caused the neutral buss to carry this very unusual
>>>>>> form of energy. The A/C guys came out and replaced the
>>>>>> compressor and rectified the situation but I came away with a
>>>>>> better understanding a very common phenomenon that most do not
>>>>>> take time to fully understand nor appreciate the implications.
>>>>>> By studing the ongoing research of the natural occurrence of this
>>>>>> EMP phenomenon from Solar magnetic storms Magnetic Annihilation
>>>>>> -Reconnect which have been duplicated in Labs gathering better
>>>>>> understanding of phenomenon. I elected to bench top duplicate the
>>>>>> situation which I had observed back in 1984 at the Sharp
>>>>>> residence. Since I was doing HVAC, Electrical and Electronics
>>>>>> Contracting, I had many compressors at my disposal just like the
>>>>>> one in the Carrier A/C unit. By hydraulic locking the
>>>>>> compressor via filling with oil and pinching off the suction and
>>>>>> discharge lines you have a fully locked up sealed unit See:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This unit utilizes a 40mfd start cap and a 5mfd run cap
>>>>>> controlled by current relay. When energized via 2 pole,230VAC,
>>>>>> starter contactor, both the start and run windings are energized.
>>>>>> When the Over current relay senses the locked rotor current of 84
>>>>>> amps ( motor in magnetic saturation) the circuit is opened
>>>>>> leaving the stored energy in total isolation with no ground
>>>>>> reference. A NECESSARY CONDITION TO GET THE MAGNETIC FLUX
>>>>>> ANNIHILATION-Re-CONNECT PHENOMENON or EMP. This experiment is
>>>>>> something anyone can duplicate and observe the phenomenon for
>>>>>> yourself. The reversible ceiling fan is the simplest and easiest
>>>>>> and less expensive to replicate. Most current available
>>>>>> reversible fans utilize the electrical capacitor relocation via
>>>>>> toggle switch to reverse rotation. All you have to do is open up
>>>>>> circuit and re-wire the cap so that you have a momentary loss of
>>>>>> ground reference (neutral) while the reversing switch is in
>>>>>> transit. Reverse it several times and you will explode switch!
>>>>>> Now Mick, what do you not understand?? I was just too curious
>>>>>> to let this go by without finding an answer. Just remember the
>>>>>> Axiom, Energy cannot be destroyed but it can change forms.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/19/2018 10:04 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So why did you first notice this even at a clients, shorted
>>>>>>> start cap or seized bearing? Interesting I have noticed a ground
>>>>>>> rod near pool equipment with GFI but rarely have seen or can
>>>>>>> recall one next to a heat pump or AC unit and 10 feet ground rod
>>>>>>> damn that's deeper than a dirt nap. At 60hz the capacitive
>>>>>>> coupling is negligible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unless I am misunderstanding something the L1-L2 at the supply
>>>>>>> side... coupling to earth would still be at the transformer to
>>>>>>> center tap neutral back at the pole then the neutral is ground
>>>>>>> bonded at the service. Since it is on the sink side of the
>>>>>>> transformer from the utility there is a direct path to ground
>>>>>>> through a certain impedance,reactance and reluctance whatever
>>>>>>> importance that plays into the event.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/19/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Locked means exactly what the term expresses! No rotor motion
>>>>>>>> relative to stator! On the early 5 Ton A/C units they were
>>>>>>>> service wired with a 3 conductor wip from service disconnect to
>>>>>>>> A/C unit! You had L-1 & L-2 230VAC (hots) and a green earth
>>>>>>>> bonding wire to motor and chasis frame. In addition, you had
>>>>>>>> a10 ft. ground stake into earth ground to bond this outdoor
>>>>>>>> installation for safety reasons. When over-current relay (84
>>>>>>>> amps) drops out starter contactor there is NO GROUND PATH to
>>>>>>>> discipate the charge, both magbetic flux sayuration (Inductive
>>>>>>>> power) and the two charged capacitors in the circuit. This
>>>>>>>> energy is in an isolated state due to insulation in the motor
>>>>>>>> windings and capacitors. Ole will jump in here and say there
>>>>>>>> is capacitive coupling between motor frame and isolated
>>>>>>>> capacitance and magnetic flux at saturation. I built and did
>>>>>>>> the test on this phenomenon after I saw it in real life in a
>>>>>>>> clients back yard. Easy to duplicate! The reversible ceiling
>>>>>>>> fan trick can be done by anyone by just changing the wiring on
>>>>>>>> the reversing capacitor in-order to float neutral while the
>>>>>>>> reversing switch is in transition. Simple! ( BOOM)!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/18/2018 11:15 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How did you run the motor in locked mode, by preventing the
>>>>>>>>> start cap from energizing?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When you experimented with the energy from this motor where
>>>>>>>>> did you extract the differential, from the green wire running
>>>>>>>>> back to the service panel or another grounding rod and from
>>>>>>>>> the motor frame where the ground bonding clip usually is or
>>>>>>>>> somewhere else?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Assuming frame on your dual winding induction motor was
>>>>>>>>> isolated sink side from the stator windings by their
>>>>>>>>> insulation as you mentioned earlier there was no neutral and
>>>>>>>>> on the source side by the center tap in the pole pig?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not sure why I was thinking locked was synchronous mode as we
>>>>>>>>> discussed earlier the concept of Mag Transmitter is to
>>>>>>>>> saturate the core and release, or as Hector likes to say
>>>>>>>>> switch off to turn on. Some major issues going on here, head
>>>>>>>>> on backwards.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So impedance does opposite of a LC tank and dropped like a
>>>>>>>>> series LC hmmm...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mick
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/18/2018 3:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks! Ole for the explanation! Rotation is required
>>>>>>>>>> inorder for counter emf to be generated. In stalled rotor or
>>>>>>>>>> locked rotor conditions, the current through the windings is
>>>>>>>>>> only limited by R = resitance. My dual winding 5 HP motor in
>>>>>>>>>> locked rotor had a combined current draw of 84 amps @ 230VAC
>>>>>>>>>> input. When you look at the BH curve on a scope you see the
>>>>>>>>>> magnetic flux build to saturation at which point the
>>>>>>>>>> impedance is = to Zero ( air value) with R being the only
>>>>>>>>>> limiting factor. (Ole). I used the dual winding motor for it
>>>>>>>>>> has a starting cap value of 40mfd and a run cap with a value
>>>>>>>>>> of 5 mfd, both of which are in circuit when current limiting
>>>>>>>>>> relay drops circuit open yielding the Neutral Spike form
>>>>>>>>>> ground. Magneto Electric effect. For it to work, the caps
>>>>>>>>>> and motor windings have to be isolated from neutral and earth
>>>>>>>>>> ground reference. the iron motor frame is earth bonded.
>>>>>>>>>> Cancellation of energy in isolation will create an EMP earth
>>>>>>>>>> ground response. This goes back to Page 25 of CSN by Tesla
>>>>>>>>>> himself.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/17/2018 5:12 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Locked rotor is when the rotor is prevented from rotating.
>>>>>>>>>>> This is also known as stalled rotor.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Synchronous speed is when the rotor follows the rotating
>>>>>>>>>>> magnetic wave(s) of the stator. In an induction motor
>>>>>>>>>>> (asynchronous motor) this means no power transmission
>>>>>>>>>>> between the rotor and the stator. The motor is then working
>>>>>>>>>>> neither as motor or generator.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Slip is the ratio between the rotor speed and the rotating
>>>>>>>>>>> field speed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>> Ole
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am slowly digesting this but I think my concept of locked
>>>>>>>>>>> rotor was/is in error. Always thought this was when the
>>>>>>>>>>> rotor is locked to the rotational field from stator with
>>>>>>>>>>> least amount of slip, seems like I am reading now it is most
>>>>>>>>>>> amount of slip.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Can you provide what locked rotor means to you and any
>>>>>>>>>>> additional information of what you think may be occurring
>>>>>>>>>>> beyond the everyday accepted definition?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mick
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/16/2018 5:55 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mick, Ole, Kone etal! I have been thinking a lot about
>>>>>>>>>>>> my Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot of reading to
>>>>>>>>>>>> come up with a fool proof Lenz free motor / generator
>>>>>>>>>>>> combination which is so easy to build and proof test!
>>>>>>>>>>>> First of all you should read what we know as facts! See
>>>>>>>>>>>> the following articles:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found
>>>>>>>>>>>> at K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of the Ray's
>>>>>>>>>>>> LENZ free generator. What I will propose is very simple
>>>>>>>>>>>> application of DC motor principles as read from the
>>>>>>>>>>>> cited references. First you make your LENZ free motor
>>>>>>>>>>>> which is in reality a LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which
>>>>>>>>>>>> will give the necessary stroke length to drive the
>>>>>>>>>>>> LINEAR generator (Coil oscillating within the drag
>>>>>>>>>>>> free, LENZ free area of the Neo magnets). Stroke of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> solenoid is controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT drive
>>>>>>>>>>>> switch to give an excursion rate (stroke) at a
>>>>>>>>>>>> frequency of 60 HZ. By using a DC pulse to drive the
>>>>>>>>>>>> solenoid coil it is tricked into being in LOCKED ROTOR
>>>>>>>>>>>> condition, thus no LENZ effect. Has the light come on
>>>>>>>>>>>> yet?? We know that Ray's generator puts out a sine
>>>>>>>>>>>> wave output (AC) with no LENZ drag. Following the DC
>>>>>>>>>>>> motor principles as applied to the solenoid driver, you
>>>>>>>>>>>> have a motor that is LENZ free also. The combo should
>>>>>>>>>>>> give an Over-unity output. Now the tricky part! We
>>>>>>>>>>>> know as Ole will agree in that when you switch the
>>>>>>>>>>>> solenoid power to off state as magnetic flux is
>>>>>>>>>>>> building toward saturation there will be a huge voltage
>>>>>>>>>>>> spike (Neutral Spike) which we have to capture and not
>>>>>>>>>>>> send to ground as ordinary practice in solid state
>>>>>>>>>>>> switch design (snubber diodes) The capture of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs naturally will be the
>>>>>>>>>>>> over-unity factor here! Interesting concept! Think
>>>>>>>>>>>> about it! Norm Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick mkjekyll@...
>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ole,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than
>>>>>>>>>>>>> otherwise, but it could also have to do with noise in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the core material as I was no using an air inductor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, onielsen@...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Mick,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the reactive source then discharged to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resistive load then reconnected energized back to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> standing wave modality recharged disconnected
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discharged etc. If the reactive energy is harvested
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in this manner are you claiming the same losses will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occur as power factor correcting the reactive back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into real power?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes that's correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Common power factor correction in AC is for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eliminating the reactive power that doesn't do any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work but just heats the wires between the power plant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the reactive load. This is expensive for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> owners of the power transmission lines and thus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be avoided. First storing the energy in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capacitor (or inductor or battery) and then dumping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it to an active load will still make the power go in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just one direction even though it happens in pulses.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The energy is then moving from the source to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> load. Reactive power has the energy moving to and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the load and power source. The power moving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between the capacitor and inductor in an LC-tank is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pure reactive except for the loss because of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parasitic resistance in the components and wires.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---In [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ole,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terminology and not concerning ourselves with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> patent just a very high Q tank.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the reactive source then discharged to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resistive load then reconnected energized back to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> standing wave modality recharged disconnected
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discharged etc. If the reactive energy is harvested
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in this manner are you claiming the same losses will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occur as power factor correcting the reactive back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into real power?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have only read to the following paragraph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cited below. I wonder if the applicant knows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about what he is writing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connected in series to the capacitor and there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is voltage across the inductor connected in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parallel to the capacitor. Since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Power=voltage×current, a single power input
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> produces two branches of electromagnetic power
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> output, increasing the power output. In the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alternative, the present disclosure may have one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> electromagnetic power output with less energy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> input."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't as simple as this. If using an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oscilloscope for measuring the current and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voltage it will show some phase displacement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between the current and voltage which means
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reactive power. Look at the following small
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> videos to see how one can be misled if not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowing how the phase between the current and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voltage is: Only the the resistive part consumes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0:42
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part 3.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1:01
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part 2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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