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Hi Norm,
This is correct. As you're proclaiming, in the end a magneto type
build may be a better solution than just hard switched coil banging as
it does seem to favor finesse over force allowing for more control with
fewer supporting parts. First in order to study this more in depth I
have to make sure my batt system is properly saturating the iron core to
create the pure current potential vacuum flux state. Seems easier from
the wall for some reason even though there should be no diff in a DC
charged cap of the same mFd charged to the same V in the same time
constant delivering a spike to saturate a core. Will stop trying to
correlate the wall power diff and move forward.
That link has some interesting devices such as the vircator and some
good stuff on the pinch devices. It definitely conveys the concept of
total isolation and screw the source.
On another subject, your electrostatic device induced me to think of a
motorized variometer and what odd functions it may allow for.
When experimenting with your spinning variable cap what results did you
witness?
Thanks,
Mick
On 11/21/23:46 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
> Mick! I see now that you are attempting to get a SOURCE that is
> isolated so that you may be able to sustain the EMP pulse event.
> Battery/ inverter set up. If you use the EMP non nuclear device as an
> example you see that it is a one shot device since the long solenoid
> coil is progressively shorted by ultra high speed explosives while
> super saturated via capacitor discharge. See:
> https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/f20b/94c86b9620166bdb82556b5be93261c80c64.pdf
> All with device in total isolation from earth reference ground.
> Believe it or not, Tesla advocated this technique when he discussed
> taking pure iron into a state of super saturation (coil core) which
> Ole will attest to that the impedance drops to an air value. Doug was
> hitting on this with his coil shorting routine. The Hyde Generator
> was a variable capacitor machine and this is a variable inductance
> device. Please read how the current is amplified in the MFCG. In
> the Hyde generator, when the value of C is reduced there is a
> multiplication of the voltage (amplification). In the MFCG, when the
> value of L is taken to zero in a saturated state the current is
> multiplied (Amplification). Thanks for you effort! You will get
> there when armed with knowledge as to how this all works! Norm
>
> On 11/20/2018 7:23 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>
>> Norm,
>>
>> OK thanks back to the bench, need to check BH on the battery setup
>> again...
>>
>>
>> On 11/20/2018 3:01 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I see that you still have not had your LIGHT COME ON YET. You are
>>> dwelling on the source side of the circuit which is not the answer.
>>> Simply put, you have to create the condition where you have a
>>> totally isolated charged inductor and charged capacitors (TOTALLY
>>> ISOLATED) from any ground reference. Energy simply cannot vanish
>>> into empty space. My 5 HP motor experiment accomplished the
>>> isolation condition and when the energy was annihilated, inductor
>>> energy & capacitor energy cancelled , I got the EMP response from
>>> the earth side of the circuit. To hell with the source, for once
>>> the inductor is flux loaded, to saturation and capacitors are
>>> charged, then the source is totally out of the equation. Once that
>>> starting contactor opens the source is no longer a factor. In all
>>> of my trials with this, I have never seen any degrading or rupture
>>> of dielectric material nor damage to any wiring, no matter how
>>> small. The energy is in the form of a very high freq (RF event) with
>>> very high current but no damage to small appliance motors. I lived
>>> in a Dallas neighborhood that had a power distribution sub station
>>> just down the street from me. Numerous times during lightning storms
>>> I had been awakened by my VHS VCR, old top loader, (turned off) tape
>>> mechanism start up and start to eject tape, get half way and reverse
>>> and put tape back down as before it started. Like a 1/2 cycle
>>> operation. This was sort of the same EMP neutral side surge which
>>> affected the tape drive mechanism. People see the sort of thing but
>>> are not smart enough to question why they happen! Sorry to say
>>> that most of my experimentation was done on the KEELY BBS and was a
>>> closed group.
>>>
>>> On 11/20/2018 11:33 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Norm,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for the in depth post of your experience uncovering this
>>>> event. Sorry to frustrate you with what seem like repetitive
>>>> questions. Everything here is understood. My question had to do
>>>> with the source side of the whole systemic occurrence and not that
>>>> I don't understand just that I like things to be very succinct in
>>>> my small brain, therefore I was trying to map out the circuit
>>>> including all E and B field connections in order that for instance
>>>> the ceiling fan experiment be replicated from a battery inverter
>>>> source without connection to the utility. In other words the DUH I
>>>> brought up the other week. You have explained the phenomenon and
>>>> it's creation many times but seem to have left out the functions
>>>> from the source side of the circuit and how that interacts with the
>>>> whole experiment and magnetic connect-anniliation-reconnect.
>>>>
>>>> I have successfully replicated the shots to larger and smaller
>>>> scale while using the utility sourced power but not yet reliably
>>>> from an inverter driven isolated system so attempting to determine
>>>> the best way to move forward on the source side without burning up
>>>> any more devices or at least a minimum so. I think I need to
>>>> procure an iso transformer with a center tap and ground it on the
>>>> sink side to the center tap in order there is the magnetic
>>>> connection to the earth on source side in the first place not just
>>>> the ground rod on the sink side of the experiment. Otherwise part
>>>> two will require a giant stepdown of similar proportions to a pole
>>>> pig. Just trying to streamline and keep expenses low.
>>>>
>>>> I hope the above does not further frustrate you but rather conveys
>>>> the why of my question which I can see seemed to be circular and
>>>> puerile. Sorry to offend.
>>>>
>>>> By the way I don't know if you had posted this story before but
>>>> with Yahoo and search and all your references to the neutral spike
>>>> event I have never uncovered it.
>>>>
>>>> Thank again!
>>>>
>>>> On 11/20/2018 6:58 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mick! I am getting just like Hector here by having to explain
>>>>> something over and over! I guess short memory is the cause for
>>>>> lack of understanding the whole project. First you have to go
>>>>> back to the 1981 ceiling fan, 1/6th HP capacitor run shaded pole
>>>>> motor problem. A wiring error by a Chinese assembly worker
>>>>> incorrectly wired the capacitor reversing switch into the neutral
>>>>> side of the circuit which provided a total isolation of charge
>>>>> while the switch was in transition from forward operation to
>>>>> reverse operation. Reversing switch would explode. This was my
>>>>> first encounter with the phenomenon which I researched and
>>>>> determined that it was a Magneto-Electric effect or better put,
>>>>> Magnetic flux annihilation-reconnect as we now know it. In Physics
>>>>> we have always been taught that energy cannot be destroyed but can
>>>>> change forms as we clearly see by simple experiment. With this
>>>>> knowledge tucked back in the memory bank, I had the occasion to
>>>>> encounter this phenomenon again in around 1984. A wealthy widow
>>>>> had remodeled her expansive Highland Park home (Dallas) and I had
>>>>> installed a projection TV system into her den. MS. Sharp called
>>>>> and said she had a Poltergeist in her den. When I arrived she
>>>>> served tea and told me to sit there and wait a few minutes. The
>>>>> TV screen and projector both started descending from the ceiling
>>>>> then reversed and went back up. Both these motors were shaded
>>>>> pole, capacitor run design so that switching via wall switch could
>>>>> reverse operation, either up or down against limit switches. Here
>>>>> is the Somfy motor example so you understand how they operate:
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMHEJ2iIu14&feature=youtu.be
>>>>> When I went into attic to examine the motorized units the
>>>>> phenomenon occurred again. Sure enough the screen and projector
>>>>> descended half way down then reversed and retracted. Over my head
>>>>> was a powered turbo ventilator attic fan of shaded pole design
>>>>> which took off ZIIIIINNNNG , super fast acceleration up to a speed
>>>>> about 10X design speed but one big problem was that it took off
>>>>> backwards! The turbine took several minutes to coast down to a
>>>>> stop. A visit downstairs found that a small appliance like a
>>>>> counter top blender in the kitchen (shaded pole motor) would take
>>>>> off spinning backwards then stop. The only connection that all
>>>>> these motor had when sitting in a turned off state was a
>>>>> connection to the neutral buss. Interesting fact was that with
>>>>> the very small size motor windings and sudden fantastic
>>>>> acceleration up to very high speed (backwards) did no damage to
>>>>> the motors. I did an inspection to the mains breakers and house
>>>>> wiring including the service cabelling and earth ground at the
>>>>> mains panel. All was up to Dallas Code. While walking in side
>>>>> yard, I found a brand new installation of a 5 ton A/C Condensing
>>>>> unit. in addition to the older 5 ton unit. Both units were earth
>>>>> bonded via the Required (Highland Park Code) 10 ft. ground rod at
>>>>> the units. Both units were 5 Ton, 230VAC single phase. While I
>>>>> was looking at the A/C units , the new one tried to start against
>>>>> a locked rotor condition. From contactor closure to WHUUUUUMP,
>>>>> EMP shot which you could feel the brissance in the ground took
>>>>> about 1/2 second. This was the source of the EMP event which
>>>>> caused the neutral buss to carry this very unusual form of
>>>>> energy. The A/C guys came out and replaced the compressor and
>>>>> rectified the situation but I came away with a better
>>>>> understanding a very common phenomenon that most do not take time
>>>>> to fully understand nor appreciate the implications. By studing
>>>>> the ongoing research of the natural occurrence of this EMP
>>>>> phenomenon from Solar magnetic storms Magnetic Annihilation
>>>>> -Reconnect which have been duplicated in Labs gathering better
>>>>> understanding of phenomenon. I elected to bench top duplicate the
>>>>> situation which I had observed back in 1984 at the Sharp
>>>>> residence. Since I was doing HVAC, Electrical and Electronics
>>>>> Contracting, I had many compressors at my disposal just like the
>>>>> one in the Carrier A/C unit. By hydraulic locking the
>>>>> compressor via filling with oil and pinching off the suction and
>>>>> discharge lines you have a fully locked up sealed unit See:
>>>>>
>>>>> This unit utilizes a 40mfd start cap and a 5mfd run cap controlled
>>>>> by current relay. When energized via 2 pole,230VAC, starter
>>>>> contactor, both the start and run windings are energized. When the
>>>>> Over current relay senses the locked rotor current of 84 amps (
>>>>> motor in magnetic saturation) the circuit is opened leaving the
>>>>> stored energy in total isolation with no ground reference. A
>>>>> NECESSARY CONDITION TO GET THE MAGNETIC FLUX
>>>>> ANNIHILATION-Re-CONNECT PHENOMENON or EMP. This experiment is
>>>>> something anyone can duplicate and observe the phenomenon for
>>>>> yourself. The reversible ceiling fan is the simplest and easiest
>>>>> and less expensive to replicate. Most current available reversible
>>>>> fans utilize the electrical capacitor relocation via toggle switch
>>>>> to reverse rotation. All you have to do is open up circuit and
>>>>> re-wire the cap so that you have a momentary loss of ground
>>>>> reference (neutral) while the reversing switch is in transit.
>>>>> Reverse it several times and you will explode switch! Now Mick,
>>>>> what do you not understand?? I was just too curious to let this
>>>>> go by without finding an answer. Just remember the Axiom, Energy
>>>>> cannot be destroyed but it can change forms.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/19/2018 10:04 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So why did you first notice this even at a clients, shorted start
>>>>>> cap or seized bearing? Interesting I have noticed a ground
>>>>>> rod near pool equipment with GFI but rarely have seen or can
>>>>>> recall one next to a heat pump or AC unit and 10 feet ground rod
>>>>>> damn that's deeper than a dirt nap. At 60hz the capacitive
>>>>>> coupling is negligible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unless I am misunderstanding something the L1-L2 at the supply
>>>>>> side... coupling to earth would still be at the transformer to
>>>>>> center tap neutral back at the pole then the neutral is ground
>>>>>> bonded at the service. Since it is on the sink side of the
>>>>>> transformer from the utility there is a direct path to ground
>>>>>> through a certain impedance,reactance and reluctance whatever
>>>>>> importance that plays into the event.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/19/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Locked means exactly what the term expresses! No rotor motion
>>>>>>> relative to stator! On the early 5 Ton A/C units they were
>>>>>>> service wired with a 3 conductor wip from service disconnect to
>>>>>>> A/C unit! You had L-1 & L-2 230VAC (hots) and a green earth
>>>>>>> bonding wire to motor and chasis frame. In addition, you had a10
>>>>>>> ft. ground stake into earth ground to bond this outdoor
>>>>>>> installation for safety reasons. When over-current relay (84
>>>>>>> amps) drops out starter contactor there is NO GROUND PATH to
>>>>>>> discipate the charge, both magbetic flux sayuration (Inductive
>>>>>>> power) and the two charged capacitors in the circuit. This
>>>>>>> energy is in an isolated state due to insulation in the motor
>>>>>>> windings and capacitors. Ole will jump in here and say there
>>>>>>> is capacitive coupling between motor frame and isolated
>>>>>>> capacitance and magnetic flux at saturation. I built and did
>>>>>>> the test on this phenomenon after I saw it in real life in a
>>>>>>> clients back yard. Easy to duplicate! The reversible ceiling
>>>>>>> fan trick can be done by anyone by just changing the wiring on
>>>>>>> the reversing capacitor in-order to float neutral while the
>>>>>>> reversing switch is in transition. Simple! ( BOOM)!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/18/2018 11:15 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How did you run the motor in locked mode, by preventing the
>>>>>>>> start cap from energizing?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When you experimented with the energy from this motor where did
>>>>>>>> you extract the differential, from the green wire running back
>>>>>>>> to the service panel or another grounding rod and from the
>>>>>>>> motor frame where the ground bonding clip usually is or
>>>>>>>> somewhere else?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Assuming frame on your dual winding induction motor was
>>>>>>>> isolated sink side from the stator windings by their
>>>>>>>> insulation as you mentioned earlier there was no neutral and
>>>>>>>> on the source side by the center tap in the pole pig?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not sure why I was thinking locked was synchronous mode as we
>>>>>>>> discussed earlier the concept of Mag Transmitter is to saturate
>>>>>>>> the core and release, or as Hector likes to say switch off to
>>>>>>>> turn on. Some major issues going on here, head on backwards.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So impedance does opposite of a LC tank and dropped like a
>>>>>>>> series LC hmmm...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mick
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/18/2018 3:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks! Ole for the explanation! Rotation is required inorder
>>>>>>>>> for counter emf to be generated. In stalled rotor or locked
>>>>>>>>> rotor conditions, the current through the windings is only
>>>>>>>>> limited by R = resitance. My dual winding 5 HP motor in locked
>>>>>>>>> rotor had a combined current draw of 84 amps @ 230VAC input.
>>>>>>>>> When you look at the BH curve on a scope you see the magnetic
>>>>>>>>> flux build to saturation at which point the impedance is = to
>>>>>>>>> Zero ( air value) with R being the only limiting factor.
>>>>>>>>> (Ole). I used the dual winding motor for it has a starting cap
>>>>>>>>> value of 40mfd and a run cap with a value of 5 mfd, both of
>>>>>>>>> which are in circuit when current limiting relay drops circuit
>>>>>>>>> open yielding the Neutral Spike form ground. Magneto
>>>>>>>>> Electric effect. For it to work, the caps and motor windings
>>>>>>>>> have to be isolated from neutral and earth ground reference.
>>>>>>>>> the iron motor frame is earth bonded. Cancellation of energy
>>>>>>>>> in isolation will create an EMP earth ground response. This
>>>>>>>>> goes back to Page 25 of CSN by Tesla himself.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/17/2018 5:12 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Locked rotor is when the rotor is prevented from rotating.
>>>>>>>>>> This is also known as stalled rotor.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Synchronous speed is when the rotor follows the rotating
>>>>>>>>>> magnetic wave(s) of the stator. In an induction motor
>>>>>>>>>> (asynchronous motor) this means no power transmission between
>>>>>>>>>> the rotor and the stator. The motor is then working neither
>>>>>>>>>> as motor or generator.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Slip is the ratio between the rotor speed and the rotating
>>>>>>>>>> field speed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>> Ole
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am slowly digesting this but I think my concept of locked
>>>>>>>>>> rotor was/is in error. Always thought this was when the
>>>>>>>>>> rotor is locked to the rotational field from stator with
>>>>>>>>>> least amount of slip, seems like I am reading now it is most
>>>>>>>>>> amount of slip.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Can you provide what locked rotor means to you and any
>>>>>>>>>> additional information of what you think may be occurring
>>>>>>>>>> beyond the everyday accepted definition?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mick
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/16/2018 5:55 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mick, Ole, Kone etal! I have been thinking a lot about
>>>>>>>>>>> my Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot of reading to
>>>>>>>>>>> come up with a fool proof Lenz free motor / generator
>>>>>>>>>>> combination which is so easy to build and proof test!
>>>>>>>>>>> First of all you should read what we know as facts! See
>>>>>>>>>>> the following articles:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found
>>>>>>>>>>> at K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of the Ray's
>>>>>>>>>>> LENZ free generator. What I will propose is very simple
>>>>>>>>>>> application of DC motor principles as read from the
>>>>>>>>>>> cited references. First you make your LENZ free motor
>>>>>>>>>>> which is in reality a LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which will
>>>>>>>>>>> give the necessary stroke length to drive the LINEAR
>>>>>>>>>>> generator (Coil oscillating within the drag free, LENZ
>>>>>>>>>>> free area of the Neo magnets). Stroke of the solenoid
>>>>>>>>>>> is controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT drive switch to
>>>>>>>>>>> give an excursion rate (stroke) at a frequency of 60 HZ.
>>>>>>>>>>> By using a DC pulse to drive the solenoid coil it is
>>>>>>>>>>> tricked into being in LOCKED ROTOR condition, thus no
>>>>>>>>>>> LENZ effect. Has the light come on yet?? We know that
>>>>>>>>>>> Ray's generator puts out a sine wave output (AC) with no
>>>>>>>>>>> LENZ drag. Following the DC motor principles as applied
>>>>>>>>>>> to the solenoid driver, you have a motor that is LENZ
>>>>>>>>>>> free also. The combo should give an Over-unity output.
>>>>>>>>>>> Now the tricky part! We know as Ole will agree in that
>>>>>>>>>>> when you switch the solenoid power to off state as
>>>>>>>>>>> magnetic flux is building toward saturation there will
>>>>>>>>>>> be a huge voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which we have to
>>>>>>>>>>> capture and not send to ground as ordinary practice in
>>>>>>>>>>> solid state switch design (snubber diodes) The capture
>>>>>>>>>>> of the SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs naturally will be
>>>>>>>>>>> the over-unity factor here! Interesting concept! Think
>>>>>>>>>>> about it! Norm Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick mkjekyll@...
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ole,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than
>>>>>>>>>>>> otherwise, but it could also have to do with noise in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the core material as I was no using an air inductor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, onielsen@...
>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Mick,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the reactive source then discharged to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> resistive load then reconnected energized back to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> standing wave modality recharged disconnected
>>>>>>>>>>>>> discharged etc. If the reactive energy is harvested
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in this manner are you claiming the same losses will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> occur as power factor correcting the reactive back
>>>>>>>>>>>>> into real power?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes that's correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Common power factor correction in AC is for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> eliminating the reactive power that doesn't do any
>>>>>>>>>>>>> work but just heats the wires between the power plant
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the reactive load. This is expensive for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> owners of the power transmission lines and thus should
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be avoided. First storing the energy in a capacitor
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (or inductor or battery) and then dumping it to an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> active load will still make the power go in just one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction even though it happens in pulses. The energy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is then moving from the source to the load. Reactive
>>>>>>>>>>>>> power has the energy moving to and from the load and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> power source. The power moving between the capacitor
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and inductor in an LC-tank is pure reactive except for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the loss because of the parasitic resistance in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> components and wires.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---In [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ole,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent
>>>>>>>>>>>>> terminology and not concerning ourselves with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> patent just a very high Q tank.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the reactive source then discharged to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> resistive load then reconnected energized back to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> standing wave modality recharged disconnected
>>>>>>>>>>>>> discharged etc. If the reactive energy is harvested
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in this manner are you claiming the same losses will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> occur as power factor correcting the reactive back
>>>>>>>>>>>>> into real power?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have only read to the following paragraph cited
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> below. I wonder if the applicant knows about what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he is writing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connected in series to the capacitor and there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voltage across the inductor connected in parallel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the capacitor. Since Power=voltage×current, a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> single power input produces two branches of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> electromagnetic power output, increasing the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power output. In the alternative, the present
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disclosure may have one electromagnetic power
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> output with less energy input."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't as simple as this. If using an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oscilloscope for measuring the current and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voltage it will show some phase displacement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between the current and voltage which means
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reactive power. Look at the following small
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> videos to see how one can be misled if not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowing how the phase between the current and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voltage is: Only the the resistive part consumes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0:42
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1:01
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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