Re: [EVGRAY] Re: Neutral spike

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2018-11-21T06:52:25-06:00
Norman Wootan <[email protected]>

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http://13571113.blogspot.com/2012/12/flux-compression-generator-magnetic.html 
Mick! some interesting items here such as Permanent magnet flux source 
which eliminates the capacitors and HV requirements!

On 11/21/2018 6:24 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
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> Thanks! James, I am very well versed on all of Bedini's work. Welcome 
> to the Mick & Norm conversation for all input is welcome!   All of 
> this goes way, way back to 1899 when Tesla was into improving Telegraphy.
>
> On 11/20/2018 8:30 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Norm who were you talking to ?
>>
>> The Bedini ground was just a source to drag up more electrons past 
>> the diodes going to the caps in response to the hivoltage pluse .
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 20, 2018, Mick [email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>     Norm,
>>
>>     OK thanks back to the bench, need to check BH on the battery
>>     setup again...
>>
>>
>>     On 11/20/2018 3:01 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>     I see that you still have not had your LIGHT COME ON YET.  You
>>>     are dwelling on the source side of the circuit which is not the
>>>     answer.  Simply put, you have to create the condition where you
>>>     have a totally isolated charged inductor and charged capacitors
>>>     (TOTALLY ISOLATED) from any ground reference.  Energy simply
>>>     cannot vanish into empty space. My 5 HP motor experiment
>>>     accomplished the isolation condition and when the energy was
>>>     annihilated, inductor energy & capacitor energy cancelled , I
>>>     got the EMP response from the earth side of the circuit.  To
>>>     hell with the source, for once the inductor is flux loaded, to
>>>     saturation and capacitors are charged, then the source is
>>>     totally out of the equation. Once that starting contactor opens
>>>     the source is no longer a factor. In all of my trials with this,
>>>     I have never seen any degrading or rupture of dielectric
>>>     material nor damage to any wiring, no matter how small. The
>>>     energy is in the form of a very high freq (RF event) with very
>>>     high current but no damage to small appliance motors.  I lived
>>>     in a Dallas neighborhood that had a power distribution sub
>>>     station just down the street from me. Numerous times during
>>>     lightning storms I had been awakened by my VHS VCR, old top
>>>     loader, (turned off) tape mechanism start up and start to eject
>>>     tape, get half way and reverse and put tape back down as before
>>>     it started. Like a 1/2 cycle operation. This was sort of the
>>>     same EMP neutral side surge which affected the tape drive
>>>     mechanism.  People see the sort of thing but are not smart
>>>     enough to question why they happen!      Sorry to say that most
>>>     of my experimentation was done on the KEELY BBS and was a closed
>>>     group.
>>>
>>>     On 11/20/2018 11:33 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Norm,
>>>>
>>>>     Thank you for the in depth post of your experience uncovering
>>>>     this event.  Sorry to frustrate you with what seem like
>>>>     repetitive questions. Everything here is understood.  My
>>>>     question had to do with the source side of the whole systemic
>>>>     occurrence and not that I don't understand just that I like
>>>>     things to be very succinct in my small brain, therefore I was
>>>>     trying to map out the circuit including all E and B field
>>>>     connections in order that for instance the ceiling fan
>>>>     experiment be replicated from a battery inverter source without
>>>>     connection to the utility.  In other words the DUH I brought up
>>>>     the other week.  You have explained the phenomenon and it's
>>>>     creation many times but seem to have left out the functions
>>>>     from the source side of the circuit and how that interacts with
>>>>     the whole experiment and magnetic connect-anniliation-reconnect.
>>>>
>>>>     I have successfully replicated the shots to larger and smaller
>>>>     scale while using the utility sourced power but not yet
>>>>     reliably from an inverter driven isolated system so attempting
>>>>     to determine the best way to move forward on the source side
>>>>     without burning up any more devices or at least a minimum so. 
>>>>     I think I need to procure an iso transformer with a center tap
>>>>     and ground it on the sink side to the center tap in order there
>>>>     is the magnetic connection to the earth on source side in the
>>>>     first place not just the ground rod on the sink side of the
>>>>     experiment.  Otherwise part two will require a giant stepdown
>>>>     of similar proportions to a pole pig.  Just trying to
>>>>     streamline and keep expenses low.
>>>>
>>>>     I hope the above does not further frustrate you but rather
>>>>     conveys the why of my question which I can see seemed to be
>>>>     circular and puerile. Sorry to offend.
>>>>
>>>>     By the way I don't know if you had posted this story before but
>>>>     with Yahoo and search and all your references to the neutral
>>>>     spike event I have never uncovered it.
>>>>
>>>>     Thank again!
>>>>
>>>>     On 11/20/2018 6:58 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Mick!  I am getting just like Hector here by having to explain
>>>>>     something over and over!  I guess short memory is the cause
>>>>>     for lack of understanding the whole project.   First you have
>>>>>     to go back to the 1981 ceiling fan, 1/6th HP capacitor run
>>>>>     shaded pole motor problem. A wiring error by a Chinese
>>>>>     assembly worker incorrectly wired the capacitor reversing
>>>>>     switch into the neutral side of the circuit which provided a
>>>>>     total isolation of charge while the switch was in transition
>>>>>     from forward operation  to reverse operation. Reversing switch
>>>>>     would explode.  This was my first encounter with the
>>>>>     phenomenon which I researched and determined that it was a
>>>>>     Magneto-Electric effect or better put, Magnetic flux
>>>>>     annihilation-reconnect as we now know it. In Physics we have
>>>>>     always been taught that energy cannot be destroyed but can
>>>>>     change forms as we clearly see by simple experiment. With this
>>>>>     knowledge tucked back in the memory bank, I had the occasion
>>>>>     to encounter this phenomenon again in around 1984. A wealthy
>>>>>     widow had remodeled her expansive Highland Park home (Dallas)
>>>>>     and I had installed a projection TV system into her den.   MS.
>>>>>     Sharp called and said  she had a Poltergeist in her den. When
>>>>>     I arrived she served tea and told me to sit there and wait a
>>>>>     few minutes. The TV screen and projector both started
>>>>>     descending from the ceiling then reversed and went back up. 
>>>>>     Both these motors were shaded pole, capacitor run design so
>>>>>     that switching via wall switch could reverse operation, either
>>>>>     up or down against limit switches. Here is the Somfy motor
>>>>>     example so you understand how they operate:
>>>>>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMHEJ2iIu14&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMHEJ2iIu14&feature=youtu.be>
>>>>>     When I went into attic to examine the motorized units the
>>>>>     phenomenon occurred again. Sure enough the screen and
>>>>>     projector descended half way down then reversed and retracted.
>>>>>     Over my head was a powered turbo ventilator attic fan of
>>>>>     shaded pole design which took off ZIIIIINNNNG , super fast
>>>>>     acceleration up to a speed about 10X design speed but one big
>>>>>     problem was that it took off backwards! The turbine took
>>>>>     several minutes to coast down to a stop.  A visit downstairs
>>>>>     found that a small appliance like a counter top blender in the
>>>>>     kitchen (shaded pole motor) would take off spinning backwards
>>>>>     then stop.  The only connection that all these motor had when
>>>>>     sitting in a turned off state was a connection to the neutral
>>>>>     buss.   Interesting fact was that with the very small size
>>>>>     motor windings and sudden fantastic acceleration up to very
>>>>>     high speed (backwards) did no damage to the motors. I did an
>>>>>     inspection to the mains breakers and house wiring including
>>>>>     the service cabelling and earth ground at the mains panel. All
>>>>>     was up to Dallas Code. While walking in side yard, I found a
>>>>>     brand new installation of a 5 ton A/C Condensing unit. in
>>>>>     addition to the older 5 ton unit. Both units were earth bonded
>>>>>     via the Required (Highland Park Code) 10 ft. ground rod at the
>>>>>     units. Both units were 5  Ton, 230VAC single phase.   While I
>>>>>     was looking at the A/C units , the new one tried to start
>>>>>     against a locked rotor condition.  From contactor closure to
>>>>>     WHUUUUUMP, EMP shot which you could feel the brissance in the
>>>>>     ground took about 1/2 second.  This was the source of the EMP
>>>>>     event which caused the neutral buss to carry this very unusual
>>>>>     form of energy.  The A/C guys came out and replaced the
>>>>>     compressor and rectified the situation but I came away with a
>>>>>     better understanding a very common phenomenon that most do not
>>>>>     take time to fully understand nor appreciate the implications.
>>>>>     By studing the ongoing research of the natural occurrence of
>>>>>     this EMP phenomenon from Solar magnetic storms Magnetic
>>>>>     Annihilation -Reconnect which have been duplicated in Labs
>>>>>     gathering better understanding of phenomenon. I elected to
>>>>>     bench top duplicate the situation which I had observed back in
>>>>>     1984 at the Sharp residence.  Since I was doing HVAC,
>>>>>     Electrical and Electronics Contracting, I had many compressors
>>>>>     at my disposal just like the one in the Carrier A/C unit.   
>>>>>     By hydraulic locking the compressor via filling with oil and
>>>>>     pinching off the suction and discharge lines you have a fully
>>>>>     locked up sealed unit See:
>>>>>
>>>>>     This unit utilizes a 40mfd start cap and a 5mfd run cap
>>>>>     controlled by current relay. When energized via 2 pole,230VAC,
>>>>>     starter contactor, both the start and run windings are
>>>>>     energized. When the Over current relay senses the locked rotor
>>>>>     current of 84 amps ( motor in magnetic saturation) the circuit
>>>>>     is opened leaving the stored energy in total isolation with no
>>>>>     ground reference.  A NECESSARY CONDITION TO GET THE MAGNETIC
>>>>>     FLUX ANNIHILATION-Re-CONNECT PHENOMENON or EMP.     This
>>>>>     experiment is something anyone can duplicate and observe the
>>>>>     phenomenon for yourself.  The reversible ceiling fan is the
>>>>>     simplest and easiest and less expensive to replicate. Most
>>>>>     current available reversible fans utilize the electrical
>>>>>     capacitor relocation via toggle switch to reverse rotation. 
>>>>>     All you have to do is open up circuit and re-wire the cap so
>>>>>     that you have a momentary loss of ground reference (neutral)
>>>>>     while the reversing switch is in transit. Reverse it several
>>>>>     times and you will explode switch!   Now Mick, what do you not
>>>>>     understand??   I was just too curious to let this go by
>>>>>     without finding an answer. Just remember the Axiom, Energy
>>>>>     cannot be destroyed but it can change forms.
>>>>>
>>>>>     On 11/19/2018 10:04 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Norm,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     So why did you first notice this even at a clients, shorted
>>>>>>     start cap or seized bearing?     Interesting I have noticed a
>>>>>>     ground rod near pool equipment with GFI but rarely have seen
>>>>>>     or can recall one next to a heat pump or AC unit and 10 feet
>>>>>>     ground rod damn that's deeper than a dirt nap.  At 60hz the
>>>>>>     capacitive coupling is negligible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Unless I am misunderstanding something the L1-L2 at the
>>>>>>     supply side... coupling to earth would still be at the
>>>>>>     transformer to center tap neutral back at the pole then the
>>>>>>     neutral is ground bonded at the service. Since it is on the
>>>>>>     sink side of the transformer from the utility there is a
>>>>>>     direct path to ground through a certain impedance,reactance
>>>>>>     and reluctance whatever importance that plays into the event.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     On 11/19/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Locked means exactly what the term expresses! No rotor
>>>>>>>     motion relative to stator!  On the early 5 Ton A/C units
>>>>>>>     they were service wired with a 3 conductor wip from service
>>>>>>>     disconnect to A/C unit! You had L-1 & L-2 230VAC (hots) and
>>>>>>>     a green earth bonding wire to motor and chasis frame. In
>>>>>>>     addition, you had a10 ft. ground stake into earth ground to
>>>>>>>     bond this outdoor installation for safety reasons.    When
>>>>>>>     over-current relay (84 amps) drops out starter contactor
>>>>>>>     there is NO GROUND PATH to discipate the charge, both
>>>>>>>     magbetic flux sayuration (Inductive power) and the two
>>>>>>>     charged capacitors in the circuit.  This energy is in an
>>>>>>>     isolated state due to insulation in the motor windings and
>>>>>>>     capacitors.   Ole will jump in here and say there is
>>>>>>>     capacitive coupling between motor frame and isolated
>>>>>>>     capacitance and magnetic flux at saturation.    I built and
>>>>>>>     did the test on this phenomenon after I saw it in real life
>>>>>>>     in a clients back yard. Easy to duplicate!  The reversible
>>>>>>>     ceiling fan trick can be done by anyone by just changing the
>>>>>>>     wiring on the reversing capacitor in-order to float neutral
>>>>>>>     while the reversing switch is in transition.  Simple!   (
>>>>>>>     BOOM)!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     On 11/18/2018 11:15 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>>>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Norm,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     How did you run the motor in locked mode, by preventing the
>>>>>>>>     start cap from energizing?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     When you experimented with the energy from this motor where
>>>>>>>>     did you extract the differential, from the green wire
>>>>>>>>     running back to the service panel or another grounding rod
>>>>>>>>     and from the motor frame where the ground bonding clip
>>>>>>>>     usually is or somewhere else?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Assuming frame on your dual winding induction motor was
>>>>>>>>     isolated sink side from the stator windings by their
>>>>>>>>     insulation  as you mentioned earlier there was no neutral
>>>>>>>>     and on the source side by the center tap in the pole pig?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Not sure why I was thinking locked was synchronous mode as
>>>>>>>>     we discussed earlier the concept of Mag Transmitter is to
>>>>>>>>     saturate the core and release, or as Hector likes to say
>>>>>>>>     switch off to turn on.  Some major issues going on here,
>>>>>>>>     head on backwards.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     So impedance does opposite of a LC tank and dropped like a
>>>>>>>>     series LC hmmm...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Mick
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     On 11/18/2018 3:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>>>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Thanks! Ole for the explanation! Rotation is required
>>>>>>>>>     inorder for counter emf to be generated. In stalled rotor
>>>>>>>>>     or locked rotor conditions, the current through the
>>>>>>>>>     windings is only limited by R = resitance. My dual winding
>>>>>>>>>     5 HP motor in locked rotor had a combined current draw of
>>>>>>>>>     84 amps @ 230VAC input. When you look at the BH curve on a
>>>>>>>>>     scope you see the magnetic flux build to saturation at
>>>>>>>>>     which point the impedance is = to Zero ( air value) with R
>>>>>>>>>     being the only limiting factor. (Ole). I used the dual
>>>>>>>>>     winding motor for it has a starting cap value of 40mfd and
>>>>>>>>>     a run cap with a value of 5 mfd, both of which are in
>>>>>>>>>     circuit when current limiting relay drops circuit open
>>>>>>>>>     yielding the Neutral Spike form ground. Magneto Electric
>>>>>>>>>     effect. For it to work, the caps and motor windings have
>>>>>>>>>     to be isolated from neutral and earth ground reference. 
>>>>>>>>>     the iron motor frame is earth bonded. Cancellation of
>>>>>>>>>     energy in isolation will create an EMP earth ground
>>>>>>>>>     response.  This goes back to Page 25 of CSN by Tesla himself.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     On 11/17/2018 5:12 PM, [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Locked rotor is when the rotor is prevented from
>>>>>>>>>>     rotating. This is also known as stalled rotor.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Synchronous speed is when the rotor follows the rotating
>>>>>>>>>>     magnetic wave(s) of the stator. In an induction motor
>>>>>>>>>>     (asynchronous motor) this means no power transmission
>>>>>>>>>>     between the rotor and the stator. The motor is then
>>>>>>>>>>     working neither as motor or generator.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Slip is the ratio between the rotor speed and the
>>>>>>>>>>     rotating field speed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Regards
>>>>>>>>>>     Ole
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     ---In [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>>>>>>>>>     <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Norm,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     I am slowly digesting this but I think my concept of
>>>>>>>>>>     locked rotor was/is in error.  Always thought this was
>>>>>>>>>>     when the rotor is locked to the rotational field from
>>>>>>>>>>     stator with least amount of slip, seems like I am reading
>>>>>>>>>>     now it is most amount of slip.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Can you provide what locked rotor means to you and any
>>>>>>>>>>     additional information of what you think may be occurring
>>>>>>>>>>     beyond the everyday accepted definition?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Mick
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     On 11/16/2018 5:55 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
>>>>>>>>>>     <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot
>>>>>>>>>>>         about my Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>>         reading to come up with a fool proof Lenz free motor
>>>>>>>>>>>         / generator combination which is so easy to build
>>>>>>>>>>>         and proof test! First of all you should read what we
>>>>>>>>>>>         know as facts! See the following articles:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>>>>>>>>>>         <https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>>>>>>>>>>         <http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>>>>>>>>>>         <https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>>>>>         <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>>>>>         <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>>>>>>>>>>         <https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as
>>>>>>>>>>>         found at K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of the
>>>>>>>>>>>         Ray's LENZ free generator. What I will propose is
>>>>>>>>>>>         very simple application of DC motor principles as
>>>>>>>>>>>         read from the cited references. First you make your
>>>>>>>>>>>         LENZ free  motor which is in reality a LINEAR MOTOR
>>>>>>>>>>>         (Solenoid) which will give the necessary stroke
>>>>>>>>>>>         length to drive the LINEAR generator (Coil
>>>>>>>>>>>         oscillating within the drag free, LENZ free area of
>>>>>>>>>>>         the Neo magnets). Stroke of the solenoid is
>>>>>>>>>>>         controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT drive switch to
>>>>>>>>>>>         give an excursion rate (stroke) at a frequency of 60
>>>>>>>>>>>         HZ. By using a DC pulse  to drive the solenoid coil
>>>>>>>>>>>         it is tricked into being in LOCKED ROTOR condition,
>>>>>>>>>>>         thus no LENZ effect.  Has the light come on yet??  
>>>>>>>>>>>         We know that Ray's generator puts out a sine wave
>>>>>>>>>>>         output (AC) with no LENZ drag. Following the DC
>>>>>>>>>>>         motor principles as applied to the solenoid driver,
>>>>>>>>>>>         you have a motor that is LENZ free also. The combo
>>>>>>>>>>>         should give an Over-unity output. Now the tricky
>>>>>>>>>>>         part!  We know as Ole will agree in that when you
>>>>>>>>>>>         switch the solenoid power to off state as magnetic
>>>>>>>>>>>         flux is building toward saturation there will be a
>>>>>>>>>>>         huge voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which we have to
>>>>>>>>>>>         capture and not send to ground as ordinary practice
>>>>>>>>>>>         in solid state switch design (snubber diodes)  The
>>>>>>>>>>>         capture of the SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs
>>>>>>>>>>>         naturally will be the over-unity factor here!
>>>>>>>>>>>         Interesting concept! Think about it!  Norm Mick!
>>>>>>>>>>>         (accumulator HV caps)!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick mkjekyll@...
>>>>>>>>>>>         <mailto:mkjekyll@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         Ole,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank
>>>>>>>>>>>>         than otherwise, but it could also have to do with
>>>>>>>>>>>>         noise in the core material as I was no using an air
>>>>>>>>>>>>         inductor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, onielsen@...
>>>>>>>>>>>>         <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Hi Mick,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         disconnected from the reactive source then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         discharged to a resistive load then reconnected
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         reactive energy is harvested in this manner are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         you claiming the same losses will occur as power
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         factor correcting the reactive back into real power?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Yes that's correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Common power factor correction in AC is for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         eliminating the reactive power that doesn't do any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         work but just heats the wires between the power
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         plant and the reactive load. This is expensive for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         the owners of the power transmission lines and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         thus should be avoided. First storing the energy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         in a capacitor (or inductor or battery) and then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         dumping it to an active load will still make the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         power go in just one direction even though it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         happens in pulses. The energy is then moving from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         the source to the load. Reactive power has the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         energy moving to and from the load and power
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         source. The power moving between the capacitor and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         inductor in an LC-tank is pure reactive except for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         the loss because of the parasitic resistance in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         the components and wires.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Ole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         ---In [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Ole,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         terminology and not concerning ourselves with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         patent just a very high Q tank.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         disconnected from the reactive source then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         discharged to a resistive load then reconnected
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         reactive energy is harvested in this manner are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         you claiming the same losses will occur as power
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         factor correcting the reactive back into real power?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             I have only read to the following paragraph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             cited below. I wonder if the applicant knows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             about what he is writing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             Citing paragraph 106 of the patent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             application
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             <https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             connected in series to the capacitor and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             there is voltage across the inductor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             connected in parallel to the capacitor. Since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             Power=voltage×current, a single power input
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             produces two branches of electromagnetic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             power output, increasing the power output. In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             the alternative, the present disclosure may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             have one electromagnetic power output with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             less energy input."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             It isn't as simple as this. If using an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             oscilloscope for measuring the current and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             voltage it will show some phase displacement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             between the current and voltage which means
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             reactive power. Look at the following small
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             videos to see how one can be misled if not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             knowing how the phase between the current and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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