Re: [EVGRAY] Re: Neutral spike

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Norman Wootan <[email protected]>

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Warren, Iron,  Further thought on this as follows!    The solenoid 
linear motor can be operated just the same as the old Outboard Marine 
Magnetos that I studied to such detail.  What made them so efficient was 
the three pole coil stator which received a forward going current in 
primary windings , magnets passing 1st and 2nd pole pieces before top 
dead center which charged up the condenser when current reached peak. 
When breaker points opened the rotating magnets were passing the 2nd and 
3rd pole pieces inducing a reverse polarity current in the primary 
windings and the discharge current from the condenser was in phase which 
accelerated the magnetic flux reversal. On a scope the primary current 
represented an instantaneous straight down line (nano second response). 
This was accomplished due to the fact that the .026mfd condenser was a 
perfect L_C match with the coil impedance. (Ultra high Q) . It is 
important to incorporate this magneto electric effect into the switching 
design of the solenoid linear motor.  See, there is a L-C high Q 
relationship here.  I just threw out the 60 HZ time base but for design 
simplicity, any switching frequency can be selected.  Just as the Tesla 
mechanical oscillators worked at a relative low frequency! Just as 
pointed out, we are making a Tesla Oscillator which is driven by DC . 
Thoughts???

On 11/16/2018 9:58 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
[EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norm
>
> The mechanical  contraptions that I have out lined, should be very 
> suitable for applying mechanical switches, timed to the stroke.
> I like the fact nothing can be hidden to view, happening in a mysterious
> "Black box"as even discrete components in a circuit can be confusing.
> It would be so great to hear your further thoughts on this subject.
> Cheers Warren
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>     On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 9:13 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>     Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot about my Locked
>     Rotor experiments and did a lot of reading to come up with a fool
>     proof Lenz free motor / generator combination which is so easy to
>     build and proof test! First of all you should read what we know as
>     facts! See the following articles:
>
>     https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>
>     http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>
>     https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>
>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>
>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>
>     https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>
>     Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found at K&G
>     Magnetics and shown in the video of the Ray's LENZ free
>     generator.  What I will propose is very simple application of DC
>     motor principles as read from the cited references. First you make
>     your LENZ free  motor which is in reality a LINEAR MOTOR
>     (Solenoid) which will give the necessary stroke length to drive
>     the LINEAR generator (Coil oscillating within the drag free, LENZ
>     free area of the Neo magnets).   Stroke of the solenoid is
>     controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT drive switch to give an
>     excursion rate (stroke) at a frequency of 60 HZ. By using a DC
>     pulse  to drive the solenoid coil it is tricked into being in
>     LOCKED ROTOR condition, thus no LENZ effect.  Has the light come
>     on yet??   We know that Ray's generator puts out a sine wave
>     output (AC) with no LENZ drag.  Following the DC motor principles
>     as applied to the solenoid driver, you have a motor that is LENZ
>     free also.  The combo should give an Over-unity output. Now the
>     tricky part! We know as Ole will agree in that when you switch the
>     solenoid power to off state as magnetic flux is building toward
>     saturation there will be a huge voltage spike (Neutral Spike)
>     which we have to capture and not send to ground as ordinary
>     practice in solid state switch design (snubber diodes)  The
>     capture of the SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs naturally will be
>     the over-unity factor here!  Interesting concept!  Think about
>     it!  Norm    Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
>
>     On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>>     Ole,
>>
>>     I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than otherwise,
>>     but it could also have to do with noise in the core material as I
>>     was no using an air inductor.
>>
>>
>>     On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Mick,
>>>
>>>     "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the
>>>     reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then
>>>     reconnected energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>     recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the reactive energy
>>>     is harvested in this manner are you claiming the same losses
>>>     will occur as power factor correcting the reactive back into
>>>     real power?"
>>>
>>>     Yes that's correct.
>>>
>>>     Common power factor correction in AC is for eliminating the
>>>     reactive power that doesn't do any work but just heats the wires
>>>     between the power plant and the reactive load. This is expensive
>>>     for the owners of the power transmission lines and thus should
>>>     be avoided. First storing the energy in a capacitor (or inductor
>>>     or battery) and then dumping it to an active load will still
>>>     make the power go in just one direction even though it happens
>>>     in pulses. The energy is then moving from the source to the
>>>     load. Reactive power has the energy moving to and from the load
>>>     and power source. The power moving between the capacitor and
>>>     inductor in an LC-tank is pure reactive except for the loss
>>>     because of the parasitic resistance in the components and wires.
>>>
>>>     Regards
>>>     Ole
>>>
>>>
>>>     ---In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
>>>     <mkjekyll@...> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>
>>>     Ole,
>>>
>>>     Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent terminology and
>>>     not concerning ourselves with the patent just a very high Q tank.
>>>
>>>     If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the
>>>     reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then
>>>     reconnected energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>     recharged disconnected discharged etc. If the reactive energy is
>>>     harvested in this manner are you claiming the same losses will
>>>     occur as power factor correcting the reactive back into real power?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...>
>>>     [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>
>>>>         I have only read to the following paragraph cited below. I
>>>>         wonder if the applicant knows about what he is writing.
>>>>
>>>>         Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application
>>>>         (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>         "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor connected in
>>>>         series to the capacitor and there is voltage across the
>>>>         inductor connected in parallel to the capacitor. Since
>>>>         Power=voltage×current, a single power input produces two
>>>>         branches of electromagnetic power output, increasing the
>>>>         power output. In the alternative, the present disclosure
>>>>         may have one electromagnetic power output with less energy
>>>>         input."
>>>>
>>>>         alt
>>>>
>>>>         It isn't as simple as this. If using an oscilloscope for
>>>>         measuring the current and voltage it will show some phase
>>>>         displacement between the current and voltage which means
>>>>         reactive power. Look at the following small videos to see
>>>>         how one can be misled if not knowing how the phase between
>>>>         the current and voltage is: Only the the resistive part
>>>>         consumes (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
>>>>
>>>>         alt
>>>>         0:42
>>>>         <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>               Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 3.
>>>>               <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>
>>>>         9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>         alt
>>>>         1:01
>>>>         <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>               Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 2.
>>>>               <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>
>>>>         10K views5 years ago
>>>>         alt
>>>>         1:00
>>>>         <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>         <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>               Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? part 1. but,
>>>>               <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>
>>>>         8K views5 years ago
>>>>
>>>>         The numbers without the phase shift looks like overunity
>>>>         which isn't the case when taking into account the phase
>>>>         shift. Only real power is useful in doing work. Reactive
>>>>         power doesn't do work except for the small active part
>>>>         heating the the wires and other components because of their
>>>>         parasitic resistance. This part caused by current doing
>>>>         work against the resistance is active power and not
>>>>         actually reactive power. This is why the power distributing
>>>>         companies may charge costumers for having high reactive
>>>>         power going through their cables which heats the power
>>>>         lines without transferring active power to their costumers.
>>>>         It's just pure loss because the wires have resistance.
>>>>         Resistance converts electric power into heat.
>>>>
>>>>         Just looked at the figures and found the description to
>>>>         figure 46:
>>>>         "[0149]FIG. 46 illustrates an embodiment of the present
>>>>         disclosure that conserves light bulb energy. In a test
>>>>         conducted, on Nov. 16, 1998, a light bulb was installed
>>>>         according to the schematic disclosed in FIG. 46 and is
>>>>         still running seven years later.
>>>>
>>>>         [0150]Since Apparent Power (VA)=Current (A)×Voltage (V),
>>>>         the calculations below illustrate energy conservation for a
>>>>         60 W light bulb. The voltage applied at the power input is
>>>>         115 V. The apparent power for the Power Input Line (Line
>>>>         PIN) is measured at 126.5 VA. The apparent power measured
>>>>         for the shed motor fan is 126.5 VA and the apparent power
>>>>         measured for the light bulb is 65 VA. Therefore, 126 VA is
>>>>         measured at the input and a total of 191.5 VA is measured
>>>>         at the output, indicating an approximately 1.5 gain.
>>>>         Calculations are also shown for the energy savings for a
>>>>         75W Bulb."
>>>>
>>>>         It is the apparent power that is increased. The apparent
>>>>         power is the vector sum of the real power and the reactive
>>>>         power which makes it always greater than or equal to the
>>>>         real (or active or true) power.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         Source with description at:
>>>>         https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-11/true-reactive-and-apparent-power/
>>>>
>>>>         Regards
>>>>         Ole
>>>
>>
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