Re: [EVGRAY] Re: Neutral spike

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Norm,

Sounds like a Tesla oscillator powered by DC instead of air!

OK need to read links and think...

On 11/16/2018 5:55 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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> Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot about my Locked
> Rotor experiments and did a lot of reading to come up with a fool
> proof Lenz free motor / generator combination which is so easy to
> build and proof test! First of all you should read what we know as
> facts! See the following articles:
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> https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
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> http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
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> https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
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> https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
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> Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found at K&G
> Magnetics and shown in the video of the Ray's LENZ free generator. 
> What I will propose is very simple application of DC motor principles
> as read from the cited references. First you make your LENZ free 
> motor which is in reality a LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which will give
> the necessary stroke length to drive the LINEAR generator (Coil
> oscillating within the drag free, LENZ free area of the Neo
> magnets).   Stroke of the solenoid is controlled by Hall sensor and
> IGBT drive switch to give an excursion rate (stroke) at a frequency of
> 60 HZ. By using a DC pulse  to drive the solenoid coil it is tricked
> into being in LOCKED ROTOR condition, thus no LENZ effect.  Has the
> light come on yet??   We know that Ray's generator puts out a sine
> wave output (AC) with no LENZ drag.  Following the DC motor principles
> as applied to the solenoid driver, you have a motor that is LENZ free
> also.  The combo should give an Over-unity output. Now the tricky
> part!  We know as Ole will agree in that when you switch the solenoid
> power to off state as magnetic flux is building toward saturation
> there will be a huge voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which we have to
> capture and not send to ground as ordinary practice in solid state
> switch design (snubber diodes)  The capture of the SPIKE energy (HV)
> which occurs naturally will be the over-unity factor here! 
> Interesting concept!  Think about it!  Norm    Mick! (accumulator HV
> caps)!
>
> On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>> Ole,
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>> I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than otherwise, but
>> it could also have to do with noise in the core material as I was no
>> using an air inductor.
>>
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>> On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>>> Hi Mick,
>>>
>>> "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the
>>> reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then reconnected
>>> energized back to the standing wave modality recharged disconnected
>>> discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested in this manner
>>> are you claiming the same losses will occur as power factor
>>> correcting the reactive back into real power?"
>>>
>>> Yes that's correct.
>>>
>>> Common power factor correction in AC is for eliminating the reactive
>>> power that doesn't do any work but just heats the wires between the
>>> power plant and the reactive load. This is expensive for the owners
>>> of the power transmission lines and thus should be avoided. First
>>> storing the energy in a capacitor (or inductor or battery) and then
>>> dumping it to an active load will still make the power go in just
>>> one direction even though it happens in pulses. The energy is then
>>> moving from the source to the load. Reactive power has the energy
>>> moving to and from the load and power source. The power moving
>>> between the capacitor and inductor in an LC-tank is pure reactive
>>> except for the loss because of the parasitic resistance in the
>>> components and wires.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Ole
>>>
>>>
>>> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>
>>> Ole,
>>>
>>> Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent terminology and not
>>> concerning ourselves with the patent just a very high Q tank.
>>>
>>> If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the
>>> reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then reconnected
>>> energized back to the standing wave modality recharged disconnected
>>> discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested in this manner
>>> are you claiming the same losses will occur as power factor
>>> correcting the reactive back into real power?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>     I have only read to the following paragraph cited below. I
>>>>     wonder if the applicant knows about what he is writing.
>>>>
>>>>     Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application
>>>>     (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>     "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor connected in
>>>>     series to the capacitor and there is voltage across the
>>>>     inductor connected in parallel to the capacitor. Since
>>>>     Power=voltage×current, a single power input produces two
>>>>     branches of electromagnetic power output, increasing the power
>>>>     output. In the alternative, the present disclosure may have one
>>>>     electromagnetic power output with less energy input."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     It isn't as simple as this. If using an oscilloscope for
>>>>     measuring the current and voltage it will show some phase
>>>>     displacement between the current and voltage which means
>>>>     reactive power. Look at the following small videos to see how
>>>>     one can be misled if not knowing how the phase between the
>>>>     current and voltage is: Only the the resistive part consumes
>>>>     (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
>>>>
>>>>     0:42
>>>>     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 3.
>>>>           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>
>>>>     9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>     1:01
>>>>     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 2.
>>>>           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>
>>>>     10K views5 years ago
>>>>     1:00
>>>>     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? part 1. but,
>>>>           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>
>>>>     8K views5 years ago
>>>>
>>>>     The numbers without the phase shift looks like overunity which
>>>>     isn't the case when taking into account the phase shift. Only
>>>>     real power is useful in doing work. Reactive power doesn't do
>>>>     work except for the small active part heating the the wires and
>>>>     other components because of their parasitic resistance. This
>>>>     part caused by current doing work against the resistance is
>>>>     active power and not actually reactive power. This is why the
>>>>     power distributing companies may charge costumers for having
>>>>     high reactive power going through their cables which heats the
>>>>     power lines without transferring active power to their
>>>>     costumers. It's just pure loss because the wires have
>>>>     resistance. Resistance converts electric power into heat.
>>>>
>>>>     Just looked at the figures and found the description to figure 46:
>>>>     "[0149]FIG. 46 illustrates an embodiment of the present
>>>>     disclosure that conserves light bulb energy. In a test
>>>>     conducted, on Nov. 16, 1998, a light bulb was installed
>>>>     according to the schematic disclosed in FIG. 46 and is still
>>>>     running seven years later.
>>>>
>>>>     [0150]Since Apparent Power (VA)=Current (A)×Voltage (V), the
>>>>     calculations below illustrate energy conservation for a 60 W
>>>>     light bulb. The voltage applied at the power input is 115 V.
>>>>     The apparent power for the Power Input Line (Line PIN) is
>>>>     measured at 126.5 VA. The apparent power measured for the shed
>>>>     motor fan is 126.5 VA and the apparent power measured for the
>>>>     light bulb is 65 VA. Therefore, 126 VA is measured at the input
>>>>     and a total of 191.5 VA is measured at the output, indicating
>>>>     an approximately 1.5 gain. Calculations are also shown for the
>>>>     energy savings for a 75W Bulb."
>>>>
>>>>     It is the apparent power that is increased. The apparent power
>>>>     is the vector sum of the real power and the reactive power
>>>>     which makes it always greater than or equal to the real (or
>>>>     active or true) power.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Source with description at:
>>>>     https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-11/true-reactive-and-apparent-power/
>>>>
>>>>     Regards
>>>>     Ole
>>>
>>
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