Re: [EVGRAY] Neutral spike

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Norm,

Thanks for the nudge in the right direction.  Now the process demands
repeating with a totally isolated battery source configured the same
way.   Funny how I was concentrating on isolating and connecting
saturated inductive charge without the first magnetic variable taken
into account.

I have had no problem creating the event with my grid power source and
even warned Sven that an isolation transformer will not always protect
his scope when messing around with this energy.  My scope probe sitting
on a bench shot me in the leg when I walked by when performing the
experiments from my bench supply.  The bench supply has an isolation
transformer of sorts. Being it is torroidal there is more inter-winding
capacitive coupling and mutual inductance than with the proper EI
transformer though there is at least the electrostatic shield and
galvanic isolation.

Thanks for that reference. the Brit guy was funny, although I'm very
familiar with iso transformers in audio work used for galvanic isolation
and balancing to eliminate common mode noise.


On 11/3/2018 4:42 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Mick!     Your DUH reference is funny!   To understand Isolation, best
> to study and understand the Isolation Transformer.   The super high
> quality ones are built to eliminate noise and DC components that
> effect sensitive instruments like EEG and EKG instruments. This will
> give you an idea as to construction and purpose::
>
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isolation_transformer
>
> A little tutorial as to how they work!
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfzy5IQMzyc&feature=youtu.be
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14kPQif9P7c&feature=youtu.be
>
> https://toroid.com/Products/Medical-Isolation-Transformers
>
> The 230VAC, 5 HP locked rotor experiment was an example of
> electrically isolated electrical circuitry when mains contactor was
> opened since there was no neutral involve. There is magnetic and
> capacitive coup[ling only   The dielectric insulation was not
> compromised therefore no electrical connection.  The Chinese motor
> experiment was isolated, (electrically) when the reversing action was
> in transient. (Floating neutral) since there is a line neutral in the
> 120VAC input.
>
>
> On 11/2/2018 2:44 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>>
>> Norm,
>>
>> Since you have performed mass research on this event would you concur
>> with my long distance observation that the event is not only due to
>> charge isolation but inclusive of a magnetic connection from source in
>> addition to the saturated and lifted inductive load?
>>
>> Your bell buzzer and bell transformer acting as an isolation transformer.
>>
>> Both motor experiments, the small Emerson type and the HVAC unit with
>> only two hot's no neutral, must have been powered by an isolation
>> transformer of some type also such as the utility step down for the
>> neighborhood or dedicated delta or wye for commercial or even acted as
>> such from the dual windings of the HVAC motor.
>>
>> Have you reliably produced the NS from any type of isolated battery
>> system, or in all such cases was there a magnetic connection to an earth
>> bonding in another spot?
>>
>> My thoughts being one side of a transformer acting as a source is
>> grounded and the secondary side isolated so that the only conceivable
>> ground bonding on the sink might be considered as magnetic aside from
>> the bonded motor frame or what not producing the reconnection.
>>
>> I may be pissing up a rope notwithstanding the NS seems to be predicated
>> on a B field connection somewhere in the source feed though the neutral
>> is isolated electrically.
>>
>> Perhaps this is a simple "Duh" to you that you had already figured out
>> assuming everyone else at least this smart.  Either way it does create
>> an interesting position in which to view 3 phase and transformers with
>> an extra resonant winding.
>>
>> By the way, ironic your implication that the large medical isolation
>> transformers create a heretofore unknown vector of extreme danger.
>>
>> Mick
>>
>
>

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