Re: [EVGRAY] Re: Voltage and Current | Basic Concepts Of Electricity | Electronics Textbook

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Norman Wootan <[email protected]>

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Ole!  Happenstance that Same person Patented both devices!  No problem, 
just to set record straight!


On 9/26/2018 8:19 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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> Hi Norman,
>
> Sorry my mistake. You did mention that other patent while I thought of 
> the traditional physics lab Van de Graaff generator.
>
> Regards
> Ole
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> ---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :
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> Ole!!!!  You have mixed apples with oranges here! Look at the Patent 
> we are referring to and see that Van de Graff patented the 
> electromagnetic device https://patents.google.com/patent/US3289066A/en
>
> Your Van  de Graff electrostatic generator is different animal 
> Patented by same gentleman!  I owned a very large Van de Graff 
> generator that came out of SLAC. Stanford Linear Accelerator Complex 
> and donated it to the Tesla Museum at Colorado Springs.  Sorry for the 
> misunderstanding of what we were discussing!
>
>
> On 9/26/2018 5:43 PM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>>     Hi Norman,
>>
>>     The device normally known as a Van de Graaff generator is
>>     electrostatic according to the patent: *1935-02-12*
>>     *US1991236A*ELECTROSTATIC GENERATOR
>>     (https://patents.google.com/patent/US1991236A/en?inventor=Graaff+Robert+J+Van+De)
>>
>>     This is actually a constant current generator meaning the voltage
>>     keeps on climbing until it flashes over or leaks away at the
>>     current rate it is outputting. The voltage can climb to MV value.
>>     Some use pressured gas for insulation.
>>
>>     https://wiki2.org/en/Van_de_Graaff_generator
>>
>>     If anybody is planning to build or buy a small Van de Graaff
>>     generator Larry Wandell shows some interesting experiments on how
>>     to make a permanent magnet pick up nonmagnetic materials by first
>>     charging them with a handheld Van de Graaff generator:
>>     https://www.youtube.com/user/bluedoaify/videos. Even wood can be
>>     attracted to the magnet this way. Perhaps this effect is the way
>>     to make an antigravity craft.
>>
>>     Regards
>>     Ole
>>
>>
>>
>>     ---In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
>>     <nwootan@...> <mailto:nwootan@...> wrote :
>>
>>     Mick, The Van DeGraff
>>     https://patents.google.com/patent/US3289066A/en is not an
>>     electrostatic derived machine!  Sorry! No Cigar!
>>
>>
>>     On 9/25/2018 2:15 PM, Mick mkjekyll@... <mailto:mkjekyll@...>
>>     [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>>>         Norm,
>>>
>>>         The Holtz is an elegant design.
>>>
>>>         This is a very interesting patent as it described
>>>         electrostatic combined
>>>         with electromagnetic in order to get useful current.  Part
>>>         of the device
>>>         is a flux switch.
>>>
>>>         https://patents.google.com/patent/US3289066A/en
>>>
>>>         On 9/25/2018 9:55 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
>>>         <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>         > Holtz Electrostatic generator
>>>
>>
>
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