Body
OleIt is very interesting to study electro static machines.I very much would like to build, or look at, a motor run at high electrostatic voltages, to see what kind of torque can be produced.My Van de Graff generator doesn't seem to change rpm whether a lightning bolt is discharged, or not, even though it is driven with a puny little, old fashioned, shunt wound 1/10 hp dc motor. I have a suspicion that if you could have an effective electrostatic motor of a similar output, it would self run.I have no idea where the energy is coming from that exchanges from the dielectric belt, and sent up the column to be plucked off that belt with tiny metal hairs that are soldered together like a comb, or hair brush, then stored in a hollow metal ball( much loved by Hector)capacitor.Although the apparatus is simple, it produces perfect miniature lighning bolts, about 14 inches long, and other radiation of a kind that destroys diodes stored in drawers 30 feet away, when in operation.I am not jumping to conclusions here as to what is really happening, but it is of interest.Cheers Warren
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
On Wed, 22 Aug 2018 at 7:21 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:
Hello! Ole and Kone, I sincerely have to call you guys out here on the concept of how all electrostatic machines work. I have provided proof of how the various methods of creating potential differential in electrostatics only to find you guys retrograding back to beating on logs with clubs. Lets go over it again in case you missed something. Over the years I built many electrostatic devices and was always fascinated over how they worked. Back when I worked with Leonard Dorset and his Super Steam Technology, I paid him to go to the Dallas Main Library and pull up all that was available on electrostatics for I wanted answers as to how the charge separation actually worked. The impetus behind the search was the Armstrong Machine that is in the London Polytech Museum. The steam driven machine was one of the most powerful ever built and worked at the phase change point in steam condensation in the insulated nozzle design. It has been know for a very long time that there is a discrepancy in Thermodynamics of Chemistry and has been written about in many text books regarding the presence of more electrons after the phase change back to liquid form from steam. A Physicist (Austria) lectured on this subject at one of Hal Puthoff Conference at Austin. Phase change is a method to drag that aetheric energy out of the space background. There are many applications of electrostatic machines that operate in a hard vacuum therefore do not have the air as a contributing media for electron sourcing. You seem to forget the wonderful book by Joseph Cater, Awesome Life Force in which he explains the difference between hard electrons and soft electrons. The greatest example of wrong beliefs regarding the source of charge separation was the Felici Electrostatic generator that operates in a sealed environment of 30 atmosphere pressure of .99% pure hydrogen gas and is the most powerful machines ever built with a 3KW output at half million volts. I asked you the question as to where the charge comes from in this environment????? If you download the book The Physics of the Primary State of Matter, Davson, Karl Schappeller, you will find that in a hard vacuum there is the phenomenon of Glowing Magnetism (Cold Plasma) which is highly concentrated aetheric energy. Look at the Felici machine.
Quote! Look for the principle of inversion in free energy devices or some kind of parametric pumping. If wanting high voltage perhaps make the voltage ionize the air like the Swiss Testatika does which pulls out energy by sorting the charges of the air molecules (ions) according to information given to Albert Hauser from Paul Baumann. Baumann told Hauser that the Testatika would stop if left in a closed room without air movement. Leaving a window partly open or having people moving around in the room would make it continue its running. WRONG!!!!!
Regards
Ole
Oh! Lets clear the air on BACK EMF, Please!
BACK EMF
I am having a big problem with the loose use of terminology on all on these web sites regarding "BACK EMF". Everyone, PLEASE pick up any handy physics book and look up "LENZ'S LAW" and read very carefully just what back emf really is. When an electromotive force is applied to an inductor, a counter force is generated which is in opposition to the primary force through self induction. This is what causes the current to lag the voltage in an inductive circuit while the magnetic field is building. When we cut off the primary current in the inductor an electromotive force is generated via the collapse of the magnetic field and can be correctly called the
"INDUCTIVE KICK BACK". The rate of collapse of this magnetic flux
directly determines the magnitude of the "spike voltage" generated. What you are seeing is energy compressed in time. This is the reason that an inductor can be energized with, let's say 12 volts DC and a sudden collapse of the magnetic field can produce a spike of several hundred volts. (conservation of energy) Don't feel bad about the misunderstanding of these terms for if you go to an Internet search under "BACK EMF" you will
find many sites totally confused and miss using the terms. One site has a demonstration of an inductor with a light bulb in parallel that flashes when the circuit is opened and they call it "BACK EMF". Wrong, it is inductive kick back from a collapsing magnetic field.
Thanks in advance for you guys taking the time to review the text
book. Norm
Remember Mick, You have been saying Differential? Well, here is what is happening which agrees with Hal Puthoff paper on the spontaneous formation of hydrogen from space background from free protons. Please review Irving Langmuir Atomic Hydrogen. Here is my theory as to how the 3000watts of HVDC is created in a 30 atm. atmosphere of .9999 pure hydrogen gas. In the Lanfmuir torch a high voltage charge breaks the H2 bond creating monatomic hydrogen (atoms). Same with the Felici Generator, the operating gas is Atomic Hydrogen. According to Hal Puthoff, if a hydrogen atom looses an electron it is immediately replenished by the Zero Point space background. The Felici Generator is a zero Point Energy Generator or PUMP. I had an interesting discussion with Ken (RIP) Shoulders at a New Energy Symposium in Denver. I asked him what type of power supply he used in charging his HVDC capacitor banks for the Charged Cluster experiments. His reply was an Electrostatic Influence Machine (Holtz Machine). He said that if you apply a potential of lets say 100,000 Volts across a capacitor it will charge because you have stressed the dielectric (dielectric displacement). Interesting answer to say the least. The charged capacitors will do work. Same with the Felici Generator for the 3,000 watt output will do work drawing the energy from the space background. See! Mick, I had to answer my own question for nobody thinks about the perplexing problems. Ha! Ha! Norm
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ja02208a003
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_hydrogen_welding
http://www.webring.org/l/rd?ring=teslaring;id=1;url=http%3A%2F%2Fu2%2Elege%2Enet%2Fnewebmasters%2Ecom__freeenergy%2Fexternal_links_from_theverylastpageoftheinternet%2Ecom%2Fhighvoltage%2FHVgenerator%2FHVgenerator%2Ehtm
Speaking of Hydrogen, gas with one proton and one electron / atom, where does the electrons come from in the Felici HV Electrostatic Generator?? I have issued this challenge before with no comments.
On 7/20/2018 9:37 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
Going back to a subject not fully understood. What is Heat? Which has more energy, Holes or Electrons? Hot surface = holes due to missing electrons vs cold surface= packing of electrons until all holes are filled (absolute zero conditions) BTW, absolute zero conditions, there is no Browning Motion for there are no holes for electrons to move in the atomic lattice. See:
https://www.aps.org/publications/apsnews/199606/achieve.cfm
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallic_hydrogen
Put on your thinking caps! Norm
On 8/21/2018 6:12 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
Hi Kone,
Back EMF is the generated voltage working against the voltage driving a motor. Only the difference between the voltage driving and the voltage generated (back EMF) is what actually drives current through the motor.
I think Bedini use coherent fields in his wheels giving off free energy. He has a description of a coil having several parallel strands of insulated wire. Each wire is driven by its own transistor. This could be for mixing several separate fields into a single coherent field and then harvest the difference in energy. Pierre Cotnoir also seems to use this principle. The difference is that when calculating the energy of the separate fields the current is squared before being added when seen from the input side while the currents are added and then squared when seen from the output side. It's the current term of the formula that is squared when calculating the energy. This is the principle of inversion according to Wilbert B. Smith and is a way to pull out energy from the cosmic background field. Many free energy inventors may not actually know why their devices work like Lester Hendershot who could make his device work but could not scale it up or down. This looks like he didn't know precisely why it worked. Same could hold true for Bedini.
Look for the principle of inversion in free energy devices or some kind of parametric pumping. If wanting high voltage perhaps make the voltage ionize the air like the Swiss Testatika does which pulls out energy by sorting the charges of the air molecules (ions) according to information given to Albert Hauser from Paul Baumann. Baumann told Hauser that the Testatika would stop if left in a closed room without air movement. Leaving a window partly open or having people moving around in the room would make it continue its running.
Regards
Ole
---In [email protected], <konehead@...> wrote :
Hi Ole
Thanks its very good clear description and info...
I watched a vides by Bedini the other day and he was telling a crowd around him that when the flyback occurs (he calls it back emf) what is occurring is that the bloch-wall (the center of the coil where N meets S you could say) gets shoved or moved way over to "one side" when the coil collapses upon switch opening which is interesting way to look at what happens...he was saying that the altitude of the collapsing field affects the energy giving out from the coil and he verified this by going to top of mountain at least this is what I get from the video....here it is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtGz4QHJ0e4
#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209 -- #yiv8811209209ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209ygrp-mkp #yiv8811209209hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209ygrp-mkp #yiv8811209209ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209ygrp-mkp .yiv8811209209ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209ygrp-mkp .yiv8811209209ad p {margin:0;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209ygrp-mkp .yiv8811209209ad a {color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209ygrp-sponsor #yiv8811209209ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209ygrp-sponsor #yiv8811209209ygrp-lc #yiv8811209209hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209ygrp-sponsor #yiv8811209209ygrp-lc .yiv8811209209ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209activity span .yiv8811209209underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8811209209 .yiv8811209209attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv8811209209 .yiv8811209209attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv8811209209 .yiv8811209209attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv8811209209 .yiv8811209209attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv8811209209 .yiv8811209209attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv8811209209 blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;}#yiv8811209209 .yiv8811209209bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv8811209209 .yiv8811209209bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv8811209209 dd.yiv8811209209last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv8811209209 dd.yiv8811209209last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv8811209209 dd.yiv8811209209last p span.yiv8811209209yshortcuts {margin-right:0;}#yiv8811209209 div.yiv8811209209attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv8811209209 div.yiv8811209209attach-table {width:400px;}#yiv8811209209 div.yiv8811209209file-title a, #yiv8811209209 div.yiv8811209209file-title a:active, #yiv8811209209 div.yiv8811209209file-title a:hover, #yiv8811209209 div.yiv8811209209file-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv8811209209 div.yiv8811209209photo-title a, #yiv8811209209 div.yiv8811209209photo-title a:active, #yiv8811209209 div.yiv8811209209photo-title a:hover, #yiv8811209209 div.yiv8811209209photo-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv8811209209 div#yiv8811209209ygrp-mlmsg #yiv8811209209ygrp-msg p a span.yiv8811209209yshortcuts {font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}#yiv8811209209 .yiv8811209209green {color:#628c2a;}#yiv8811209209 .yiv8811209209MsoNormal {margin:0 0 0 0;}#yiv8811209209 o {font-size:0;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209photos div {float:left;width:72px;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209photos div div {border:1px solid #666666;min-height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209photos div label {color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209reco-category {font-size:77%;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209reco-desc {font-size:77%;}#yiv8811209209 .yiv8811209209replbq {margin:4px;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209ygrp-mlmsg select, #yiv8811209209 input, #yiv8811209209 textarea {font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209ygrp-mlmsg pre, #yiv8811209209 code {font:115% monospace;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209ygrp-mlmsg #yiv8811209209logo {padding-bottom:10px;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209ygrp-msg p a {font-family:Verdana;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209ygrp-msg p#yiv8811209209attach-count span {color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209ygrp-reco #yiv8811209209reco-head {color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209ygrp-reco {margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209ygrp-sponsor #yiv8811209209ov li a {font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209ygrp-sponsor #yiv8811209209ov li {font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209ygrp-sponsor #yiv8811209209ov ul {margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209ygrp-text {font-family:Georgia;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209ygrp-text p {margin:0 0 1em 0;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209ygrp-text tt {font-size:120%;}#yiv8811209209 #yiv8811209209ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {border-right:none !important;}#yiv8811209209