Re: [EVGRAY] Re: flyback puse analogous to capacitor?

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Ole,
Excellent data as always, thank you!

Kone,
I am of the somewhat unpopular school of thought in that during a
flyback pulse from an inductor time is inverted and negatricity sourced,
similar to the phase conjugant mirror sourcing laser light after it has
been charged up by the incident source.   Interesting that the PCM is
made of optical grade capacitor material that is also piezoelectric so
closer metaphor to a cap than coil.
I also think the earth return strike or Norms neutral spike is a
negative time waveform similar to a mirror wave across a boundary where
the polarization is also reversed.
My original question to Ole was based on attempting to conceptualize
retaining the neg time component through a cap rather than the cap
reversing the time flip back to positive time/ electricity as is normal
operating response.  So in other words if one desires to create a
flowing or longer form of negatricity rather that the single flyback
pulse how would this be accomplished...  If one can create a feedback or
feedforward circuit that is predominantly negatricity in a chase
tail/head mode this should open all sorts of rabbit or wormholes.  With
a bipolar flyback pulse pair that is time scewed I think this is
possible but it will require bench testing.
Also think about using PNP transistors for amplifying this negatricity
stream.

Had a friend working on star wars SDI in the 80's.  He said one of the
designs is a magnetoelectric pulse former with two giant magnets
exploded apart in space that come back together as their field strength
is stronger than the gravity so they can be reused.  The collapsing mag
field of them being blown apart with a small tactical nuke is focused
along with the gamma pulse through some kind of beamformer.  i don't
know if it ever became operational but is an interesting lens into the
thinking behind advanced field systems.  I imagine this to be a long
tube with magnets on the outside so a kind of oversized magneto.  I also
imagine that SDI was not just to protect us from the Soviets based on
Regans multiple instances of mentioning alien invasions.  A homemade
earthbound version without the nuke might be fun to try.  How fast could
a paintball gun accelerate a magnet down the center of an inductor?  :)


On 8/20/2018 4:17 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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> Hi Kone,
>
> By studying the four quadrants of the power circle it is easy to
> determine which way the energy works on a component. The power can be
> defined as either positive or negative when entering the component.
> When energy enters a component that component is a sink. If power
> entering the component is defined as positive that component is a sink
> in quadrants 1 and 3. The component is also said to be motoring. If
> power exiting the component is defined as positive the component is
> considered a source even though this is still quadrants 1 and 3 when
> using this second definition. The component is thus said to be
> generating. Which model to use depends on how the wires of the power
> meter (Watt meter) are connected. Switching around either the current
> leads or the voltage leads shifts between the two models. I.e. the
> opposite direction of energy flow (power) is defined as positive.
>
> The first definition has sinks in quadrants 1 & 3 and sources in
> quadrants 2 & 4:
> Four quadrants operation characteristics of a DC machine 
> The source of this figure:
> https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Four-quadrants-operation-characteristics-of-a-DC-machine_fig3_324973158
>
> The second definition has sinks in quadrants 2 & 4 and sources in
> quadrant 1 & 3:
> Four quadrant operation from a Kepco BOP power supply.
> The source of this figure: http://www.kepcopower.com/hdbfig09.htm
>
> With an oscilloscope with multiply function hooked up as a power meter
> and by using one of the above definitions it is easy to study the
> power entering and exiting a component. It can also be calculated by
> using mathematical models. If studying the capacitor and inductor
> (coil) this way it is easy to see what is going on and how both of
> these components are reactive components absorbing (sinking) and
> giving back (sourcing) energy. Using the same method on non-reactive
> components like lamps or resistors it will show only energy going into
> such components (sinks). A motor is also a generator when energy is
> exiting that motor. By experimenting with capacitors and inductors it
> can be shown that they are the exact opposites of each other which is
> why they start oscillating when connected together while storing energy.
>
> Regards
> Ole
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> ---In [email protected], <konehead@...> wrote :
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> Hi Mick and Ole
> Interesting!
> Yes so cap is opposite to coil in current moves oin cap while voltage
> moves in coil....
> Are the "functions of wben" also opposite?
> Such as switch opening in coil creates backwards in direction voltages
> spike nstantly, while with a cap it s the switch closure that creates
> the "trying to be instamt" current flow as cap.fills up...
> However, is there an amzlgous-to-flyback instantaneous current
> backflow "within" the cspacitor upon filling, or is this upon
> discharge, e both?
> Could this be described as inherent back emf?
> So maybe this analgous-to-flyback back current flow in cap will
> (also?)manifest during discharge to a load and the discharge switch
> closes?
> I have been taught and told a cap fills up in one direction but
> discharges in opposite direction but this makes no sense in real life
> since you must hook pos to pos neg to neg when filling up and
> discharging cap to let's say battery both fills and another is load.
> Or to fill cap N with cap A you better habe pos on pos amd.neg on neg
> Maybe this cap discharge of backward flow is that moment where a cap
> is filled to over-voltage level and it discharges on its own in
> explosive effect? I guess this discharge would be.imto the air more or
> less ..
> Also I noticed that a cap into inductor discharge also follows the
> rule of pos.on pos neg to neg since if you want current flow same as
> it was with batteruy, you will need to hook cap up same polarity as
> bsttery...
> So I don't know as usual just what works what doesn't but the opposite
> function and analogy of coil and flyback spike to cap and instant
> backwards current flow is very interesting
> ....maybe this is, or is confused with inherent back emf? I know
> half.thr world calls flyback spike back emf as a bit of confusion also
> maybe it is because what pushes that spike into "action" is the
> inherent back emf forces within the coil...the capacitance of the coil
> doing it so this source of confusion...now bring up TIME and when
> exactly things happen in each example, cap or coil and now is the.time
> function also ";opposite"?
> Kone
>

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