Re: Aw: Re: AW: Re: [EVGRAY] Low Lenz in plain sight

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Please!  Some of you need to go back to 3 phase power 101 just as I had 
to do back 35 tears ago when I started working with 3 phase 480V buss 
power.  The holding Co. that  I worked for had 14 Commercial properties 
with all sorts of power distribution.  My favorite property had a Trane 
Centrifugal (300HP) compressor in the chilled water cooling system.  
Back in the day that this system was installed, all that was available 
for phase imbalance was the old Furnas magnetic sensors. If an 
in-balance in current draw on a motor leg (over-voltage on a leg) 
occurred it would trip out the motor contactor.  In summer with heavily 
loaded power grid we had frequent trip out on the 300HP motor 
controller.   TU Electric brought in and analyzed the incoming 13.5KV to 
the underground transformer vault. The analyzer was left on incoming 
line for several days to get a plot of the power quality. It was found 
that during the day some load imbalance between 3 phase legs (13.5KV) 
gave voltage excursions which caused our problems. At the power sub 
station, more capacitors were installed to bring power factor back to 
optimum on all three legs. Problem solved.  As time passed, companies 
like Fluke,Drantz and others came up with power analyzers that were 
technician friendly and were hand held to look for these problems and 
harmonic distortion in your power.  Later more companies brought onto 
the scene solid state devices to monitor power quality directly on your 
application such as large elevator motors (30-40HP 3 phase) . The point 
here is that as we have advanced and have better understanding of power 
distribution problems, Industry has kept pace and have given us the 
means and methods we need.   All that you seek to track, capture and put 
into useful work is right at you finger tips.  It is just your desire 
and ingenuity to apply what is known to accomplish your goal.    I guess 
the old military rule should apply, KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID.  The old KISS 
rule.   Stick with thyratron tubes for final control or switching for 
solid state is cannon fodder to spike energy.  Just my opinion!  Thanks  
Norm

https://3dfs.com/articles/automatically-balancing-phases-in-ac-electrical-networks/02/2016 
Now let us look at Neutral Current!


On 7/31/2018 7:40 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
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> Doug & Warren, I love your thinking process for designing a circuit 
> (Ardino ?)  that rapidly tracks the capacitance values needed to zero 
> in on the targeted frequency for hard ferroresonance.  Since solid 
> state will not survive the environment, just use the circuits to 
> control hard tubes like the thyratron do do the heavy lifting.  Auto 
> tracking circuits can be made to mitigate (avoid) the ferroresonance 
> phenomenon, therefore the same circuit can auto target the values 
> needed to capture the circuit parameters needed.  Just my two cents 
> thrown in, soon we will have a whole $dollar!  Lol   PS: Doug, I like 
> the Fuck it, just Short Circuit!   On my 5 HP compressor locked rotor 
> experiment, I used a simple overload relay which was set for drop out 
> at locked rotor amps (82 amps) which gave me the super saturation of 
> the motor iron when the 2 pole single phase contactor (230 VAC) opened 
> thus leaving the whole shebang in an isolated condition (no ground 
> reference). When the isolated energy (magnetic saturated iron and 
> 45mfd caps) cancelled, I got the EMP shot in the earth ground, Neutral 
> Spike.   Your thinking is right on!   Norm
>
>
> On 7/31/2018 6:22 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
> [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>>
>> Doug
>>
>> What is the cheapest, simplest, detector for peak voltage?
>> With such a detector, the signal can then close a heavy duty switch.
>> If it can chase the sine wave, where ever it goes, then you should be 
>> able to harvest the maximum energy.
>> Detectors: we should make a list of every possible peak since wave 
>> detector, for consideration.
>> Switches: relays, electronic, and mechanical methods of closing the 
>> circuit at the peak of the since wave, should be also listed.
>> This energy works. We know it is there. It burns out brushes, and 
>> commutators, and heats up power tools.
>> We also know we can bleed it off with diodes, to use in yet another 
>> motor, and actually see the voltage increase, from one motor to 
>> another, with permanent magnet DC motors.
>> The beauty of a solid state transformer based device, is that there 
>> are no friction producing parts rubbing together, turning to powder 
>> as it runs.
>> Cheers Warren
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>>     On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 at 12:42 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>     Hi Warren
>>     Just my two pcents but the variables to create ferroresonance and
>>     also resonance let's say in Air coil too, seen to be frequency,
>>     capacitance and inductance....however perhaps there is the fourth
>>     dimension overlooked which is extraction of this energy, not just
>>     the observation or prediction of it or the cancelling or
>>     avoidance of it which usually seems to be the "scientific
>>     purpose".....
>>     As Sven is doing with diode plug exprimemts too,, he is
>>     extracting it into a load ( and not direct lump resistance.load
>>     as is shown in figure drawings)
>>     And so the distribution of the positive or negative energies in
>>     sinewave via running through diodes into what I call collector
>>     caps, .
>>     and only the collector caps see or feel effects of resistive load
>>     (and only discharged to resistive load when isolated and
>>     independent and disconnected more or less from the system or
>>     circuit that filled these caps)
>>     now this brings upon not only the fourth dimension of "means of
>>     extraction" from the "resonant collecting caps" but also there
>>     becomes the fifth dimension of time and timing of how long and
>>     when to fill and discharge the resonant collector caps
>>     Also as caps fill over time, and when they discharge and refill
>>     they again change the ferroresonance or resonance "parameters" of
>>     primary system that fills caps.
>>     My sick plan is to fuck it all, instead SHORT CICUIT
>>     inductorsvery briefly with switch at peak periods, this cause
>>     hypernringing within coil and gives you simulation of resonant
>>     condition since you have same effects you want in extraction and
>>     that is voltage increase into capacitors X 20 or X 50 in magnitude.
>>     Also short can be applied to AC or DC impulse take your
>>     pick...with DC it is done just before saturation, with AC,
>>     at.voltage peak periods.
>>     Kone
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