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Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] The Energy in Negative charge (What is Heat?)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 11:18:00 -0500
From: Norman Wootan <[email protected]>
To: Toby Grotz <[email protected]>, Bert Pool
<[email protected]>
CC: Bob Paddock <[email protected]>, joel mcclain
<[email protected]>, Jon Gentry <[email protected]>, Lane Wootan
<[email protected]>, Mbking42 <[email protected]>, Phil Rembold
<[email protected]>, Jeane Manning <[email protected]>
On 7/23/2018 11:08 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
> Toby! Back in the early 80s, I was designing some PM motors and became
> friends with the Production Manager at General Magnetics (Southland
> Corp) in Dallas for they manufactured speaker magnets of all size and
> shapes. My frequent visits with him, I saw the mixing, molding, firing
> and magnetizing of the then Barium Ferite magnets. EPA mandated the
> end of the use of barium in the manufacturing process with a strontium
> substitute. The barium magnets became available from Brazil and China.
> Back when I visited with Don Martin and got the dimensions of Sparky's
> magnets I found them at Edmund Scientific so bought the exact same
> Sweet magnets. I was scrapping sown all the main frame (IBM)
> computers in the DFW area and found that the early versions of the
> big hard drives had the barium magnets which Joel and I used in the
> MRA (Mini Sweet).
>
>
>
>
> The MRA magnets were barium ferrite taken from these linear servos in
> the read write heads.
>
> After talking to Bearden regarding the conversion of cold electrical
> output making a self runner (Sweet said not possible) I realized that
> much more had to be learned about this aspect of research. I know you
> were involved to some extent.
>
> See: Sweet attachments in his own words!
>
> Before I got all bogged down with my Hydrogen Production Process and
> building Proof of concept prototypes for GAZPROM, Russia, I had
> formulated a real neat Barium, Titanium dioxide, Ferrite magnet to be
> made by a Chinese vendor. I never got the prototype magnets built.
> Over the years with contact with Gunderson, Sweet VTA Yahoo site, I
> accumulated practically all there is to know about the Sweet Project.
> I guess Bearden's Final, Final, Final Secret is still yet to be
> realized! Lol
> Norm
>
>
> On 7/23/2018 8:15 AM, Toby Grotz wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Lots of stuff here. I have been busy so need to back and review all.
>>
>> I did see a reference to barium ferrite. Sparky sweet said the
>> magnets he used had to be barium ferrite. Most ceramic magnets of
>> the size he was using are strontium ferrite. To tell the difference
>> I used, per his instructions, an ohm meter. One conducts, the other
>> doesn’t. I forget which way it is. Somewhere in my collection of
>> boxes I think I have one of his magnets. I’m still unpackingand
>> organizing after many, many moves so it will be awhile before I find it.
>>
>> BTW, attached is Sweet circuit and plot from a magnet he had used.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Toby
>>
>>> On Jul 22, 2018, at 7:20 AM, Norman Wootan <[email protected]
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] The Energy in Negative charge (What is Heat?)
>>> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 22:39:51 -0700
>>> From: [email protected][EVGRAY]<[email protected]>
>>> Reply-To: [email protected]
>>> To: [email protected]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Interesting theory Norm,
>>>
>>> I am sure you have thought far more about Hydrogen than most other
>>> people, I read your patent.
>>>
>>> Protium and molecular, not sure where the electron difference is but
>>> there seems to be the potential of a hole difference or at least a
>>> neutron missing. Very interesting what happens with a Coleman
>>> battery in that it emits neutrons. As no one really seems to know
>>> what a hole is, some say it's protons but I think proton electricity
>>> is a different animal.
>>>
>>> Tesla always said it was a gas and lighter than Hydrogen so maybe
>>> the mono form is one of the light Aether gasses since it has no
>>> neutron and would only need a proton to gather an electron. If it
>>> shows up from out of nowhere that is a key to dimensional tuning.
>>>
>>> It's either coming from the (ZP) aether well or earth well so we do
>>> agree on the origin. Also have a theory about rain forming in a
>>> similar way. When we have these weather systems starting on the
>>> west cost and dumping billions of gallons all across the country
>>> more than the clouds could ever hold. As the high and lower clouds
>>> commingle I thing they convert nitrogen to hydrogen and oxygen.
>>>
>>> I don't think I have seen an influence machine work properly without
>>> a ground connection so they are in fact pumps.
>>>
>>> OK I have been wondering about all the todo of rectifying and then
>>> fractioning the HV to a coil vs straight up static charge from a
>>> serious influence machine for the neutral spike.
>>>
>>> The Felici device sounds like something to build someday. Also
>>> interesting what NASA is doing with the helium to hold H in the
>>> Protium state.
>>>
>>> Bill Lyne had the monoatomic furnace which is a great idea too. I
>>> think there are some deep truths in William Lynes writings even if
>>> some of the whys and wherefores may be misinterpreted.
>>>
>>> Dielectric stress in piezo crytals is another field I intend to
>>> pursue as far as attempting electrets and anisotropic alignments and
>>> restructuring. I think Barrium Ferrite might be piezoelectric,
>>> don't recall right now, but either way it seems to be a very good
>>> insulator and something that can fraction electrons from the B
>>> field. I imagine you played with this stuff quite a bit during your
>>> MRA design and likely noticed some interesting aspects of the material.
>>>
>>> There was a guy who was using magnetic tape rings and tape heads for
>>> a OU lenz free generator. He had a single sine wave freq and
>>> claimed he could loop generating electricity in this way as the tape
>>> passing by the heads each putting out about 9 volts did not seem to
>>> get loaded down. Probably just another tuned high impedance
>>> system. Find it interesting as mag tape is mostly barium ferrite
>>> particles.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/20/2018 10:50 AM, Norman [email protected][EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Remember Mick, You have been saying Differential? Well, here is
>>>> what is happening which agrees with Hal Puthoff paper on the
>>>> spontaneous formation of hydrogen from space background from free
>>>> protons. Please reviewIrving Langmuir
>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Langmuir> Atomic
>>>> Hydrogen. Here is my theory as to how the 3000watts of HVDC is
>>>> created in a 30 atm. atmosphere of .9999 pure hydrogen gas. In the
>>>> Lanfmuir torch a high voltage charge breaks the H2 bond creating
>>>> monatomic hydrogen (atoms). Same with the Felici Generator, the
>>>> operating gas is Atomic Hydrogen. According to Hal Puthoff, if a
>>>> hydrogen atom looses an electron it is immediately replenished by
>>>> the Zero Point space background. The Felici Generator is a zero
>>>> Point Energy Generator or PUMP. I had an interesting discussion
>>>> with Ken (RIP) Shoulders at a New Energy Symposium in Denver. I
>>>> asked him what type of power supply he used in charging his HVDC
>>>> capacitor banks for the Charged Cluster experiments. His reply was
>>>> an Electrostatic Influence Machine (Holtz Machine). He said that
>>>> if you apply a potential of lets say 100,000 Volts across a
>>>> capacitor it will charge because you have stressed the dielectric
>>>> (dielectric displacement). Interesting answer to say the least. The
>>>> charged capacitors will do work. Same with the Felici Generator for
>>>> the 3,000 watt output will do work drawing the energy from the
>>>> space background. See! Mick, I had to answer my own question for
>>>> nobody thinks about the perplexing problems. Ha! Ha! Norm
>>>>
>>>> https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ja02208a003
>>>>
>>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_hydrogen_welding
>>>>
>>>> On 7/20/2018 11:13 AM, [email protected][EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, well, well... certainly not from inside the device!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/20/2018 8:12 AM, Norman [email protected][EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.webring.org/l/rd?ring=teslaring;id=1;url=http%3A%2F%2Fu2%2Elege%2Enet%2Fnewebmasters%2Ecom__freeenergy%2Fexternal_links_from_theverylastpageoftheinternet%2Ecom%2Fhighvoltage%2FHVgenerator%2FHVgenerator%2Ehtm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Speaking of Hydrogen, gas with one proton and one electron /
>>>>>> atom, where does the electrons come from in the Felici HV
>>>>>> Electrostatic Generator?? I have issued this challenge before
>>>>>> with no comments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/20/2018 9:37 AM, Norman [email protected][EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Going back to a subject not fully understood. What is Heat?
>>>>>>> Which has more energy, Holes or Electrons? Hot surface = holes
>>>>>>> due to missing electrons vs cold surface= packing of electrons
>>>>>>> until all holes are filled (absolute zero conditions) BTW,
>>>>>>> absolute zero conditions, there is no Browning Motion for there
>>>>>>> are no holes for electrons to move in the atomic lattice. See:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.aps.org/publications/apsnews/199606/achieve.cfm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallic_hydrogen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am working with the ground return so there is the extra energy
>>>>>>> not just from the additional in the coil collapse but from the
>>>>>>> neutral spike Norm is on to. It is elusive because it requires
>>>>>>> a solid negative pulse for that huge power return strike just
>>>>>>> like lighting. With positive lightening there is no return
>>>>>>> strike. The return mucks up everything silicon so no wonder it
>>>>>>> has been completely engineered around. It's difficult to get
>>>>>>> solid negative with high voltage as the oscillations provide as
>>>>>>> you know the counter field so the proper neg polarity to input
>>>>>>> of a coil doesn't cut it but is a good start. This is why Tesla
>>>>>>> was using magnetic to fraction out the negative traveling wave
>>>>>>> which is what he referred to as radiant. I am sure certain
>>>>>>> materials also contribute to a more pure charge one way or the
>>>>>>> other just like with static charges. We just have to learn to
>>>>>>> use the proper materials in our coils for the expected outcomes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://wxbrad.com/positive-lightning-why-its-so-dangerous/
>>>>>>> <http://wxbrad.com/positive-lightning-why-its-so-dangerous/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you think about this for a moment, I believe you will
>>>>>>> understand the concentration of negative charge (cold) creating
>>>>>>> the huge amounts of ice & hail in the negative thunderstorm.
>>>>>>> Moray is interested in the positive lighting producing the
>>>>>>> sprite events over the storms as photographed by the ISIS Space
>>>>>>> Station. (interaction of the Hot positive charge with the Cold
>>>>>>> Negative ionosphere.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *What is Heat ?*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Norman L. Wootan*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Battle Creek Farms*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *22825 FM709N*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Hubbard, TX 76648*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *(214)907-0010
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *[email protected]*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is Heat #2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For about 10 years I have been studying the effects of
>>>>>>> heating and cooling associated with the phase change of
>>>>>>> liquids with the hope of building a simple generator of
>>>>>>> electrical power around the phenomenon.The reason for this
>>>>>>> interest is based on the theory that energy can be extracted
>>>>>>> from the ambient background via thermal differentials.My
>>>>>>> line of thinking really took off back when I experimented
>>>>>>> with the all too familiar Peltier junction devices found in
>>>>>>> electronic cooling devices.Would you believe that most
>>>>>>> people do not understand how these devices move thermal
>>>>>>> energy through a current flow across a semiconductor
>>>>>>> junction.Historically we find thatGerman physicist,
>>>>>>> Thomas Seebeck back in 1820 observed that when heat was
>>>>>>> applied to a junction of copper and steel wire that
>>>>>>> electrical energy resulted.Later in 1834 Jean Peltier
>>>>>>> discovered that when a direct current was applied to two
>>>>>>> dissimilar metals the junction got hot or cold.It was not
>>>>>>> until 1838 that Emil Lenz clearly showed the importance of
>>>>>>> both Seebeck and Peltier s discoveries by placing a drop of
>>>>>>> water on the junction of dissimilar metals which froze then
>>>>>>> melted when the polarity of the direct current was
>>>>>>> reversed.These discoveries remained dormant for over 100
>>>>>>> years because of the unavailability of semiconductor
>>>>>>> materials which could provide the wide temperature
>>>>>>> differentials.In the 1930 s semiconductor materials became
>>>>>>> available which revived the electric cooling principles.In
>>>>>>> the 1960 s many companies began building spot cooling
>>>>>>> devices and refrigerators based on these effects using a
>>>>>>> junction material of bismuth-telluride. Today more advanced
>>>>>>> materials are used with the basic parameters of being a pore
>>>>>>> thermal conductor but being an excellent electrical
>>>>>>> conductor. The dissimilar materials must provide a high
>>>>>>> coefficient of voltage temperature relationship.The first
>>>>>>> Peltier devices that I experimented with back about 10 years
>>>>>>> ago were built by Marlow Industries here in Dallas.With a
>>>>>>> small temperature differential across the device a weak
>>>>>>> current with an attendant voltage was developed.Increasing
>>>>>>> the differential provided a proportional increase in current
>>>>>>> and voltage.About 6 years ago I posted a chart of the
>>>>>>> wattage generated from two different size Peltier chips on
>>>>>>> the KeelyNet BBS.My curiosity was based on the puzzle of
>>>>>>> how electron flow could move thermal energy across the
>>>>>>> junctions and how electrical energy was produced by moving
>>>>>>> thermal energy across the junction.This is a directly
>>>>>>> reversible situation based on polarity.
>>>>>>> Now let us look at a very familiar parallel process used in
>>>>>>> refrigeration, cooling and heating devices employing phase
>>>>>>> change material such as water and refrigerants.We have
>>>>>>> always been led to believe that evaporating water provided
>>>>>>> cooling effects which is a mechanical process. By the same
>>>>>>> mechanical process we are provided heating effects by the
>>>>>>> condensation of a gas back to a liquid phase change.Would
>>>>>>> you believe that any material that undergoes a phase change
>>>>>>> provides an attendant electrical effect.Back in 1840
>>>>>>> Armstrong invented an electrostatic generator based on
>>>>>>> escaping steam through insulated nozzles which provided one
>>>>>>> of the most powerful devices of this type ever built.
>>>>>>> Popular belief was that this was a frictional process with
>>>>>>> the electrical output resulting from the steam friction
>>>>>>> passing through the nozzles.After reading an old (1920 s)
>>>>>>> Thermodynamics in Chemistry text book I realized that the
>>>>>>> phase change of materials was an electrical phenomenon and
>>>>>>> not purely mechanical.The atoms of the material lose or
>>>>>>> gain electrons in the process which accounts for the
>>>>>>> discrepancy in the energy equation when a material
>>>>>>> transitions between phases.More energy is present after
>>>>>>> the phase change back to the lower form or atomic state. The
>>>>>>> text book stated that this phenomenon could not be
>>>>>>> explained.When Jerry and I attended a Conference hosted by
>>>>>>> Hal Puthoff down in Austin back about 6 years ago a
>>>>>>> physicist from Austria presented a paper on the phase change
>>>>>>> of water and the attendant electrical phenomenon which is
>>>>>>> totally not understood by modern science.Now my suspicions
>>>>>>> were confirmed that phase changes of materials are an
>>>>>>> electrostatic phenomenon, which leads us to the fundamental
>>>>>>> question of,What is heat?We were told in theschool
>>>>>>> that heat is the presence of energy and cool is the absence
>>>>>>> of energy.What is the form of this energy?Let us look at
>>>>>>> a very simple example of heating which may explain this
>>>>>>> process.When sunlight strikes an absorbing surface it is
>>>>>>> heated because electrons in the material are converted to
>>>>>>> photons which are emitted in the infrared band of light
>>>>>>> leaving the material in a net positive state or hot.The
>>>>>>> more electrons a material looses the hotter it becomes.Now
>>>>>>> the inverse situation is explored by evaporating some water
>>>>>>> from the surface of a material which leaves the surface in a
>>>>>>> net negative state or cold.Heat or cold is based on the
>>>>>>> ion relationship in the material.When we apply a flame
>>>>>>> (ionizing) to a material we cause the emission of photons
>>>>>>> which is basically stripping away electrons from the atomic
>>>>>>> structure causing a gross net positive situation to occur.
>>>>>>> Now we are getting a picture as to how an electric current
>>>>>>> across the Peltier junction can transport thermal energy
>>>>>>> (ions).Since the energy is in the form of presence or
>>>>>>> absence of electrons then it is a simple explanation as to
>>>>>>> how the process works.All phase change processes work the
>>>>>>> same way basically via ion transport and are not mechanical
>>>>>>> processes which we were taught.Everythingin chemistry is
>>>>>>> an electrical or electrostatic process at the atomic level
>>>>>>> based on the ionized state of the atoms involved.
>>>>>>> At a Vanguard Science Roundtable discussion several years ago
>>>>>>> we talked about the ion wind method of fire fighting in
>>>>>>> which ionized air will extinguish a flame because of the
>>>>>>> cooling effects.Now we see Patents issued based on
>>>>>>> negative ion spraying of a surface causing it to rapidly
>>>>>>> cool because it becomes net negative charged.This is a
>>>>>>> very efficient method of air conditioning because an ion
>>>>>>> generator operates at very high voltages with very little
>>>>>>> current involved.It is possible to develop this ion
>>>>>>> transport (thermal energy) to provide direct electrical
>>>>>>> output from very subtle temperature differentials.Remember
>>>>>>> that this is a direct reversible process where a thermal
>>>>>>> differential will cause a development of current and voltage
>>>>>>> as in the Peltier device.I hope that this dialog will
>>>>>>> provide some food for thought out there on the KeelyNet.
>>>>>>> Please provide some feedback on this very interesting line
>>>>>>> of experimentation.Norm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW, when the Patent Office started researching "Super
>>>>>>> Conductivity" they ran right into Tesla's work with the idea of
>>>>>>> using the Linde, liquid air process to provide a super
>>>>>>> conductive Tesla Coil primary. Tesla understood the power of a
>>>>>>> "Cold Sink" with electron densities of a very high order! "Hmmmmn"!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>
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