Re: [EVGRAY] The Energy in Negative charge (What is Heat?) [1 Attachment]

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Thanks You!!!!  Smokey for opening the door to my very favorite 
subject!  The energetic vacuum, a seathing sea of aetheric energy.  Way 
back in the 80s, Tom Bearden  put me onto the book, The Physics of the 
Primary State of Matter, Davson 1955 which was in a book store in 
Boston.  I purchased the very rare (autographed copy) for $450 and  
treasure the contents for it goes right to the heart of what you are 
saying. If you were able to pull down a perfect vacuum in a vessile you 
would have a concentration of energetic aether.


On 7/21/2018 8:59 PM, David G Dawson [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Hello Norman,
> Quote:
> "Speaking of Hydrogen, gas with one proton and one electron / atom, 
> where does the electrons come from in the Felici HV Electrostatic 
> Generator??  I have issued this challenge before with no comments."
>
> We have to begin to accept the total facts that there are no such 
> things as 'electrons' and they cannot exist as 'free electrons' in space.
> This theory comes from the likes of the darlings of the control and 
> fantasy World of people like Einstein.
> The Electron Microscope is a joke and still today, nobody has seen an 
> 'electron'.
>
> https://ia802502.us.archive.org/31/items/magnetism1small/magnetism1small.pdf
>
> See Page 20.
>
> https://ia800306.us.archive.org/31/items/dashedagainsttherock00colviala/dashedagainsttherock00colviala.pdf
>
> The attached extract pdf is from William J Colville and his Book 
> 'Dashed Against The Rocks' 1894 and this is Chapter 4 and talks of the 
> Ether or 'atomolic substance' and after a Gas he describes 
> 'Ultra-Gaseous' which we, today, call a Plasma.
> Not a single mention of the fantasy word 'electron'.
>
> We need to begin to look at what is next to the Ether and after the 
> Gas and that is a Plasma.
> What really is a Plasma?
> Plasma is excited Ether and what overunity is all about.
> You might have your fantasy 'electron' rotating inside the Atom but 
> once excited and is in free space, becomes a part of the Plasma.
> Probably nothing to do with the Hydrogen as you are working inside a 
> gas filled vacuum and the Ether just loves a vacuum.
> Nature abhors a vacuum and has to fill the space with something.
> Excited Ether you could probably call 'motivated Ether' ready and 
> willing to do work.
>
> So then why do you build a Geometric Translator with Square Root 2 
> rotating Cones (Flanagan/Constable) for rainmaking and you include 
> Vacuum Tubes in the design? - to attract the Ether, that's why.
> The design is such that the unseen Ether is attracted to the device 
> through excitation and in the generation of the Plasma you have and 
> put Ions to work.
>
> My 'Impulse Discharge' device shows all of this at work where you have 
> the Spark Gap but you have no arc/spark but an Ion induced Plasma 
> instead at the gap which is really an excited Ether and this is all 
> confirmed by Chernetsky/Galkin/Frolov in their 'Self Generating 
> Discharge'.
> As I see it.
>
> Why is the USA re-opening their Colorado DUMB - because of the fear of 
> an EMP wiping out all of their solid state electronics which the smart 
> Russians have chosen not to do and still use Vacuum Tubes in their 
> military designs as was demonstrated in the Black Sea with the USS 
> Donald E Cook.
> Go back into the 60s and see what 'Operation Fishbowl' was really all 
> about as a consequence.
>
> Hope I have made an attempt to answer your question suitably.
> Respectfully.
>
> Smokey
>
> On 21/07/2018 1:12 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> http://www.webring.org/l/rd?ring=teslaring;id=1;url=http%3A%2F%2Fu2%2Elege%2Enet%2Fnewebmasters%2Ecom__freeenergy%2Fexternal_links_from_theverylastpageoftheinternet%2Ecom%2Fhighvoltage%2FHVgenerator%2FHVgenerator%2Ehtm
>>
>> Speaking of Hydrogen, gas with one proton and one electron / atom, 
>> where does the electrons come from in the Felici HV Electrostatic 
>> Generator??  I have issued this challenge before with no comments.
>>
>>
>> On 7/20/2018 9:37 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Going back to a subject not fully understood. What is Heat?    Which 
>>> has more energy, Holes or Electrons? Hot surface = holes due to 
>>> missing electrons vs cold surface= packing of electrons until all 
>>> holes are filled (absolute zero conditions) BTW, absolute zero 
>>> conditions, there is no Browning Motion for there are no holes for 
>>> electrons to move in the atomic lattice. See:
>>>
>>> https://www.aps.org/publications/apsnews/199606/achieve.cfm
>>>
>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallic_hydrogen
>>>
>>> Kone,
>>>
>>> I am working with the ground return so there is the extra energy not 
>>> just from the additional in the coil collapse but from the neutral 
>>> spike Norm is on to.  It is elusive because it requires a solid 
>>> negative pulse for that huge power return strike just like 
>>> lighting.  With positive lightening there is no return strike.  The 
>>> return mucks up everything silicon so no wonder it has been 
>>> completely engineered around.  It's difficult to get solid negative 
>>> with high voltage as the oscillations provide as you know the 
>>> counter field so the proper neg polarity to input of a coil doesn't 
>>> cut it but is a good start.  This is why Tesla was using magnetic to 
>>> fraction out the negative traveling wave which is what he referred 
>>> to as radiant.  I am sure certain materials also contribute to a 
>>> more pure charge one way or the other just like with static 
>>> charges.  We just have to learn to use the proper materials in our 
>>> coils for the expected outcomes.
>>>
>>> http://wxbrad.com/positive-lightning-why-its-so-dangerous/ 
>>> <http://wxbrad.com/positive-lightning-why-its-so-dangerous/>
>>>
>>> If you think about this for a moment, I believe you will understand 
>>> the concentration of negative charge (cold) creating the huge 
>>> amounts of ice & hail in the negative thunderstorm. Moray is 
>>> interested in the positive lighting producing the sprite events over 
>>> the storms as photographed by the ISIS Space Station. (interaction 
>>> of the Hot positive charge with the Cold Negative ionosphere.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *What is Heat ?*
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>>
>>>   By
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> *Norman L. Wootan*
>>>
>>> *Battle Creek Farms*
>>>
>>> *22825 FM709N*
>>>
>>> *Hubbard, TX 76648*
>>>
>>> *(214)907-0010
>>> *
>>>
>>> *[email protected]*
>>>
>>> What is Heat #2
>>>
>>> For about 10 years I have been studying the effects of
>>>
>>> heating and cooling associated with the phase change of
>>>
>>> liquids with the hope of building a simple generator of
>>>
>>> electrical power around the phenomenon.The reason for this
>>>
>>> interest is based on the theory that energy can be extracted
>>>
>>> from the ambient background via thermal differentials.My
>>>
>>> line of thinking really took off back when I experimented
>>>
>>> with the all too familiar Peltier junction devices found in
>>>
>>> electronic cooling devices.Would you believe that most
>>>
>>> people do not understand how these devices move thermal
>>>
>>> energy through a current flow across a semiconductor
>>>
>>> junction.Historically we find thatGerman physicist,
>>>
>>> Thomas Seebeck back in 1820 observed that when heat was
>>>
>>> applied to a junction of copper and steel wire that
>>>
>>> electrical energy resulted.Later in 1834 Jean Peltier
>>>
>>> discovered that when a direct current was applied to two
>>>
>>> dissimilar metals the junction got hot or cold.It was not
>>>
>>> until 1838 that Emil Lenz clearly showed the importance of
>>>
>>> both Seebeck and Peltier s discoveries by placing a drop of
>>>
>>> water on the junction of dissimilar metals which froze then
>>>
>>> melted when the polarity of the direct current was
>>>
>>> reversed.These discoveries remained dormant for over 100
>>>
>>> years because of the unavailability of semiconductor
>>>
>>> materials which could provide the wide temperature
>>>
>>> differentials.In the 1930 s semiconductor materials became
>>>
>>> available which revived the electric cooling principles.In
>>>
>>> the 1960 s many companies began building spot cooling
>>>
>>> devices and refrigerators based on these effects using a
>>>
>>> junction material of bismuth-telluride. Today more advanced
>>>
>>> materials are used with the basic parameters of being a pore
>>>
>>> thermal conductor but being an excellent electrical
>>>
>>> conductor. The dissimilar materials must provide a high
>>>
>>> coefficient of voltage temperature relationship.The first
>>>
>>> Peltier devices that I experimented with back about 10 years
>>>
>>> ago were built by Marlow Industries here in Dallas.With a
>>>
>>> small temperature differential across the device a weak
>>>
>>> current with an attendant voltage was developed.Increasing
>>>
>>> the differential provided a proportional increase in current
>>>
>>> and voltage.About 6 years ago I posted a chart of the
>>>
>>> wattage generated from two different size Peltier chips on
>>>
>>> the KeelyNet BBS.My curiosity was based on the puzzle of
>>>
>>> how electron flow could move thermal energy across the
>>>
>>> junctions and how electrical energy was produced by moving
>>>
>>> thermal energy across the junction.This is a directly
>>>
>>> reversible situation based on polarity.
>>>
>>> Now let us look at a very familiar parallel process used in
>>>
>>> refrigeration, cooling and heating devices employing phase
>>>
>>> change material such as water and refrigerants.We have
>>>
>>> always been led to believe that evaporating water provided
>>>
>>> cooling effects which is a mechanical process. By the same
>>>
>>> mechanical process we are provided heating effects by the
>>>
>>> condensation of a gas back to a liquid phase change.Would
>>>
>>> you believe that any material that undergoes a phase change
>>>
>>> provides an attendant electrical effect.Back in 1840
>>>
>>> Armstrong invented an electrostatic generator based on
>>>
>>> escaping steam through insulated nozzles which provided one
>>>
>>> of the most powerful devices of this type ever built.
>>>
>>> Popular belief was that this was a frictional process with
>>>
>>> the electrical output resulting from the steam friction
>>>
>>> passing through the nozzles.After reading an old (1920 s)
>>>
>>> Thermodynamics in Chemistry text book I realized that the
>>>
>>> phase change of materials was an electrical phenomenon and
>>>
>>> not purely mechanical.The atoms of the material lose or
>>>
>>> gain electrons in the process which accounts for the
>>>
>>> discrepancy in the energy equation when a material
>>>
>>> transitions between phases.More energy is present after
>>>
>>> the phase change back to the lower form or atomic state. The
>>>
>>> text book stated that this phenomenon could not be
>>>
>>> explained.When Jerry and I attended a Conference hosted by
>>>
>>> Hal Puthoff down in Austin back about 6 years ago a
>>>
>>> physicist from Austria presented a paper on the phase change
>>>
>>> of water and the attendant electrical phenomenon which is
>>>
>>> totally not understood by modern science.Now my suspicions
>>>
>>> were confirmed that phase changes of materials are an
>>>
>>> electrostatic phenomenon, which leads us to the fundamental
>>>
>>> question of,What is heat?We were told in theschool
>>>
>>> that heat is the presence of energy and cool is the absence
>>>
>>> of energy.What is the form of this energy?Let us look at
>>>
>>> a very simple example of heating which may explain this
>>>
>>> process.When sunlight strikes an absorbing surface it is
>>>
>>> heated because electrons in the material are converted to
>>>
>>> photons which are emitted in the infrared band of light
>>>
>>> leaving the material in a net positive state or hot.The
>>>
>>> more electrons a material looses the hotter it becomes.Now
>>>
>>> the inverse situation is explored by evaporating some water
>>>
>>> from the surface of a material which leaves the surface in a
>>>
>>> net negative state or cold.Heat or cold is based on the
>>>
>>> ion relationship in the material.When we apply a flame
>>>
>>> (ionizing) to a material we cause the emission of photons
>>>
>>> which is basically stripping away electrons from the atomic
>>>
>>> structure causing a gross net positive situation to occur.
>>>
>>> Now we are getting a picture as to how an electric current
>>>
>>> across the Peltier junction can transport thermal energy
>>>
>>> (ions).Since the energy is in the form of presence or
>>>
>>> absence of electrons then it is a simple explanation as to
>>>
>>> how the process works.All phase change processes work the
>>>
>>> same way basically via ion transport and are not mechanical
>>>
>>> processes which we were taught.Everythingin chemistry is
>>>
>>> an electrical or electrostatic process at the atomic level
>>>
>>> based on the ionized state of the atoms involved.
>>>
>>> At a Vanguard Science Roundtable discussion several years ago
>>>
>>> we talked about the ion wind method of fire fighting in
>>>
>>> which ionized air will extinguish a flame because of the
>>>
>>> cooling effects.Now we see Patents issued based on
>>>
>>> negative ion spraying of a surface causing it to rapidly
>>>
>>> cool because it becomes net negative charged.This is a
>>>
>>> very efficient method of air conditioning because an ion
>>>
>>> generator operates at very high voltages with very little
>>>
>>> current involved.It is possible to develop this ion
>>>
>>> transport (thermal energy) to provide direct electrical
>>>
>>> output from very subtle temperature differentials.Remember
>>>
>>> that this is a direct reversible process where a thermal
>>>
>>> differential will cause a development of current and voltage
>>>
>>> as in the Peltier device.I hope that this dialog will
>>>
>>> provide some food for thought out there on the KeelyNet.
>>>
>>> Please provide some feedback on this very interesting line
>>>
>>> of experimentation.Norm
>>>
>>>
>>> BTW, when the Patent Office started researching "Super Conductivity" 
>>> they ran right into Tesla's work with the idea of using the Linde, 
>>> liquid air process to provide a super conductive Tesla Coil 
>>> primary.   Tesla understood the power of a "Cold Sink" with electron 
>>> densities of a very high order!   "Hmmmmn"!
>>>
>>>
>>> **
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