Re: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] General info!

Body

I'll send info on Peltier solar collecters vs photovoltaic when I find 
the files!


On 7/8/2018 9:07 AM, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norman
>
> � I have played around with similar info.
>
> Yesterday while cleaning the garage I found a pile of peltiers lol
>
> marlow industries, inc.
>
> DT12-2.5
>
> 2050011
>
> I do not recall any values now, only it was a thought that if 
> something was constructed with your mra� values. Hence ion generator 
> using Tess s
>
> values.
>
> Then an open endless flow battery could be utilized for charging and 
> heating. Utilizing my heat pump now constructed.
>
> Having North and South charges exposed to chemical reactions. Lazar 
> mentioned to me I use salt.
>
> Here is an example on an illustration....... look at the drawing 
> around 50 minutes in
>
>
>
>
> https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5vfkr9
>
> <https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5vfkr9>
> 	
> SEARCH FOR THE SUPER BATTERY - NOVA - Science Documentaries (full 
> documentary) - Video Dailymotion 
> <https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5vfkr9>
> www.dailymotion.com
> Search for the Super Battery - NOVA (full documentary) documentary 
> documentaries full complete length history discovery science 
> technology tech educational channel learning pbs batteries power 
> energy resource
>
> I mentioned this with showing Donald Sadoway from MIT two years or so 
> ago having sat in on 29 of his lectures.
>
> As I had already drawn this out before hand� . So it was very 
> enlightening to see it applied scientifically.
>
> I have done similar metals building my hho reactor. Currently still 
> melting and cooking !
>
> Hopefully this makes some sense.
>
> Bart
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of 
> Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* July 7, 2018 8:56 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] General info!
>
> Try this one:
>
> What is Heat #3
>
> For about 10 years I have been studying the effects of
>
> heating and cooling associated with the phase change of
>
> liquids with the hope of building a simple generator of
>
> electrical power around the phenomenon.The reason for this
>
> interest is based on the theory that energy can be extracted
>
> from the ambient background via thermal differentials.My
>
> line of thinking really took off back when I experimented
>
> with the all too familiar Peltier junction devices found in
>
> electronic cooling devices.Would you believe that most
>
> people do not understand how these devices move thermal
>
> energy through a current flow across a semiconductor
>
> junction.Historically we find that German physicist,
>
> Thomas Seebeck back in 1820 observed that when heat was
>
> applied to a junction of copper and steel wire that
>
> electrical energy resulted.Later in 1834 Jean Peltier
>
> discovered that when a direct current was applied to two
>
> Dissimilar metals the junction got hot or cold.It was not
>
> Until 1838 that Emil Lenz clearly showed the importance of
>
> Both Seebeck and Peltier s discoveries by placing a drop of
>
> Water on the junction of dissimilar metals which froze then
>
> Melted when the polarity of the direct current was
>
> Reversed.These discoveries remained dormant for over 100
>
> Years because of the unavailability of semiconductor
>
> Materials which could provide the wide temperature
>
> Differentials.In the 1930 s semiconductor materials became
>
> Available which revived the electric cooling principles.In
>
> The 1960 s many companies began building spot cooling
>
> Devices and refrigerators based on these effects using a
>
> Junction material of bismuth-telluride. Today more advanced
>
> Materials are used with the basic parameters of being a pore
>
> Thermal conductor but being an excellent electrical
>
> Conductor. The dissimilar materials must provide a high
>
> Coefficient of voltage temperature relationship.The first
>
> Peltier devices that I experimented with back about 10 years
>
> ago were built by Marlow Industries here in Dallas.With a
>
> small temperature differential across the device a weak
>
> current with an attendant voltage was developed.Increasing
>
> the differential provided a proportional increase in current
>
> and voltage.About 6 years ago I posted a chart of the
>
> wattage generated from two different size Peltier chips on
>
> the Keely Net BBS.My curiosity was based on the puzzle of
>
> how electron flow could move thermal energy across the
>
> junctions and how electrical energy was produced by moving
>
> thermal energy across the junction.This is a directly
>
> reversible situation based on polarity.
>
> Now let us look at a very familiar parallel process used in
>
> refrigeration, cooling and heating devices employing phase
>
> change material such as water and refrigerants.We have
>
> always been led to believe that evaporating water provided
>
> cooling effects which is a mechanical process. By the same
>
> mechanical process we are provided heating effects by the
>
> condensation of a gas back to a liquid phase change.Would
>
> you believe that any material that undergoes a phase change
>
> provides an attendant electrical effect.Back in 1840
>
> Armstrong invented an electrostatic generator based on
>
> escaping steam through insulated nozzles which provided one
>
> of the most powerful devices of this type ever built.
>
> Popular belief was that this was a frictional process with
>
> the electrical output resulting from the steam friction
>
> passing through the nozzles.After reading an old (1920 s)
>
> Thermodynamics in Chemistry text book I realized that the
>
> phase change of materials was an electrical phenomenon and
>
> not purely mechanical.The atoms of the material lose or
>
> gain electrons in the process which accounts for the
>
> discrepancy in the energy equation when a material
>
> transitions between phases.More energy is present after
>
> the phase change back to the lower form or atomic state. The
>
> text book stated that this phenomenon could not be
>
> explained.When Jerry and I attended a Conference hosted by
>
> Hal Puthoff down in Austin back about 6 years ago a
>
> Physicist from Austria presented a paper on the phase change
>
> of water and the attendant electrical phenomenon which is
>
> totally not understood by modern science.Now my suspicions
>
> were confirmed that phase changes of materials are an
>
> electrostatic phenomenon, which leads us to the fundamental
>
> question of,What is heat?We were told in theschool
>
> that heat is the presence of energy and cool is the absence
>
> of energy.What is the form of this energy?Let us look at
>
> a very simple example of heating which may explain this
>
> process.When sunlight strikes an absorbing surface it is
>
> heated because electrons in the material are converted to
>
> photons which are emitted in the infrared band of light
>
> leaving the material in a net positive state or hot.The
>
> more electrons a material loses the hotter it becomes.Now
>
> the inverse situation is explored by evaporating some water
>
> from the surface of a material which leaves the surface in a
>
> net negative state or cold.Heat or cold is based on the
>
> ion relationship in the material.When we apply a flame
>
> (ionizing) to a material we cause the emission of photons
>
> which is basically stripping away electrons from the atomic
>
> structure causing a gross net positive situation to occur.
>
> Now we are getting a picture as to how an electric current
>
> across the Peltier junction can transport thermal energy
>
> (ions).Since the energy is in the form of presence or
>
> absence of electrons then it is a simple explanation as to
>
> how the process works.All phase change processes work the
>
> same way basically via ion transport and are not mechanical
>
> processes which we were taught.Everythingin chemistry is
>
> an electrical or electrostatic process at the atomic level
>
> based on the ionized state of the atoms involved.
>
> At a Vanguard Science Roundtable discussion several years ago
>
> we talked about the ion wind method of fire fighting in
>
> which ionized air will extinguish a flame because of the
>
> cooling effects.Now we see Patents issued based on
>
> negative ion spraying of a surface causing it to rapidly
>
> cool because it becomes net negative charged.This is a
>
> very efficient method of air-conditioning because an ion
>
> generator operates at very high voltages with very little
>
> current involved.It is possible to develop this ion
>
> transport (thermal energy) to provide direct electrical
>
> output from very subtle temperature differentials.Remember
>
> that this is a direct reversible process where a thermal
>
> differential will cause a development of current and voltage
>
> as in the Peltier device.I hope that this dialog will
>
> provide some food for thought out there on the Keely Net.
>
> Please provide some feedback on this very interesting line
>
> of experimentation.Norm
>
>
> On 7/7/2018 5:38 PM, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 
> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Norm,
>>
>>
>> Part of your heat treatise was evaporated by yahoo, feel free to send 
>> to my email, very interesting topic that bummed me out when I hit 
>> "Would" and nothing further!
>>
>> In respect to my wireless energy experiment I have found PNP to be 
>> superior to NPN, maybe they shut off faster being always on or maybe 
>> the end result is more hole ish.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>