Re: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] General info!

Database ID: 108712
2018-07-07T19:56:42-05:00
Norman Wootan <[email protected]>

← View thread

Message-ID
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>

Body

Try this one:

What is Heat #3

For about 10 years I have been studying the effects of

heating and cooling associated with the phase change of

liquids with the hope of building a simple generator of

electrical power around the phenomenon.The reason for this

interest is based on the theory that energy can be extracted

from the ambient background via thermal differentials.My

line of thinking really took off back when I experimented

with the all too familiar Peltier junction devices found in

electronic cooling devices.Would you believe that most

people do not understand how these devices move thermal

energy through a current flow across a semiconductor

junction.Historically we find that German physicist,

Thomas Seebeck back in 1820 observed that when heat was

applied to a junction of copper and steel wire that

electrical energy resulted.Later in 1834 Jean Peltier

discovered that when a direct current was applied to two

Dissimilar metals the junction got hot or cold.It was not

Until 1838 that Emil Lenz clearly showed the importance of

Both Seebeck and Peltier s discoveries by placing a drop of

Water on the junction of dissimilar metals which froze then

Melted when the polarity of the direct current was

Reversed.These discoveries remained dormant for over 100

Years because of the unavailability of semiconductor

Materials which could provide the wide temperature

Differentials.In the 1930 s semiconductor materials became

Available which revived the electric cooling principles.In

The 1960 s many companies began building spot cooling

Devices and refrigerators based on these effects using a

Junction material of bismuth-telluride. Today more advanced

Materials are used with the basic parameters of being a pore

Thermal conductor but being an excellent electrical

Conductor. The dissimilar materials must provide a high

Coefficient of voltage temperature relationship.The first

Peltier devices that I experimented with back about 10 years

ago were built by Marlow Industries here in Dallas.With a

small temperature differential across the device a weak

current with an attendant voltage was developed.Increasing

the differential provided a proportional increase in current

and voltage.About 6 years ago I posted a chart of the

wattage generated from two different size Peltier chips on

the Keely Net BBS.My curiosity was based on the puzzle of

how electron flow could move thermal energy across the

junctions and how electrical energy was produced by moving

thermal energy across the junction.This is a directly

reversible situation based on polarity.

Now let us look at a very familiar parallel process used in

refrigeration, cooling and heating devices employing phase

change material such as water and refrigerants.We have

always been led to believe that evaporating water provided

cooling effects which is a mechanical process. By the same

mechanical process we are provided heating effects by the

condensation of a gas back to a liquid phase change.Would

you believe that any material that undergoes a phase change

provides an attendant electrical effect.Back in 1840

Armstrong invented an electrostatic generator based on

escaping steam through insulated nozzles which provided one

of the most powerful devices of this type ever built.

Popular belief was that this was a frictional process with

the electrical output resulting from the steam friction

passing through the nozzles.After reading an old (1920 s)

Thermodynamics in Chemistry text book I realized that the

phase change of materials was an electrical phenomenon and

not purely mechanical.The atoms of the material lose or

gain electrons in the process which accounts for the

discrepancy in the energy equation when a material

transitions between phases.More energy is present after

the phase change back to the lower form or atomic state. The

text book stated that this phenomenon could not be

explained.When Jerry and I attended a Conference hosted by

Hal Puthoff down in Austin back about 6 years ago a

Physicist from Austria presented a paper on the phase change

of water and the attendant electrical phenomenon which is

totally not understood by modern science.Now my suspicions

were confirmed that phase changes of materials are an

electrostatic phenomenon, which leads us to the fundamental

question of,What is heat?We were told in theschool

that heat is the presence of energy and cool is the absence

of energy.What is the form of this energy?Let us look at

a very simple example of heating which may explain this

process.When sunlight strikes an absorbing surface it is

heated because electrons in the material are converted to

photons which are emitted in the infrared band of light

leaving the material in a net positive state or hot.The

more electrons a material loses the hotter it becomes.Now

the inverse situation is explored by evaporating some water

from the surface of a material which leaves the surface in a

net negative state or cold.Heat or cold is based on the

ion relationship in the material.When we apply a flame

(ionizing) to a material we cause the emission of photons

which is basically stripping away electrons from the atomic

structure causing a gross net positive situation to occur.

Now we are getting a picture as to how an electric current

across the Peltier junction can transport thermal energy

(ions).Since the energy is in the form of presence or

absence of electrons then it is a simple explanation as to

how the process works.All phase change processes work the

same way basically via ion transport and are not mechanical

processes which we were taught.Everythingin chemistry is

an electrical or electrostatic process at the atomic level

based on the ionized state of the atoms involved.

At a Vanguard Science Roundtable discussion several years ago

we talked about the ion wind method of fire fighting in

which ionized air will extinguish a flame because of the

cooling effects.Now we see Patents issued based on

negative ion spraying of a surface causing it to rapidly

cool because it becomes net negative charged.This is a

very efficient method of air-conditioning because an ion

generator operates at very high voltages with very little

current involved.It is possible to develop this ion

transport (thermal energy) to provide direct electrical

output from very subtle temperature differentials.Remember

that this is a direct reversible process where a thermal

differential will cause a development of current and voltage

as in the Peltier device.I hope that this dialog will

provide some food for thought out there on the Keely Net.

Please provide some feedback on this very interesting line

of experimentation.Norm


On 7/7/2018 5:38 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norm,
>
>
> Part of your heat treatise was evaporated by yahoo, feel free to send 
> to my email, very interesting topic that bummed me out when I hit 
> "Would" and nothing further!
>
> In respect to my wireless energy experiment I have found PNP to be 
> superior to NPN, maybe they shut off faster being always on or maybe 
> the end result is more hole ish.
>
>
>
>
>
>

References

<[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
<[email protected]>

Headers

Return-Path <[email protected]>
X-Sender [email protected]
X-Apparently-To [email protected]
X-Received (qmail 14828 invoked by uid 102); 8 Jul 2018 00:56:15 -0000
X-Received from unknown (HELO mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.198.29.79) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2018 00:56:15 -0000
X-Received (qmail 12216 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2018 00:56:14 -0000
X-Received from unknown (HELO mta4004.groups.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (10.218.140.75) by mtaq6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2018 00:56:14 -0000
X-Original-Return-Path <[email protected]>
X-Received-SPF none (domain of att.net does not designate permitted sender hosts)
X-YMailISG kCk6W.oWLDvsi67Ln.2Nuf5vWOqMKsplNNe1e96dxm1e9pYu xuTpH5qsS6XTbofCvvmQEfkNL_JQy0WPZxl0ts80nRGGWkOEQgHSRTSJ86CB NfQnXT_hpshB3xcp51R_7Q4aqOecYMavjwKW67YgKqRHKrCHlLPAF5LHASVe ab9M4KuNli3OKNFT8AX4YF8mjU5ZAHsnKOhhNBLeGuu9AP7DuGTX2Qd0mZBK A1OKO2nMTx0a6Lr789t7yI91Ks.RLQdzZP5pjOntTMVikLgl.O1n5ElbJnVu 3EiOoeaeMFiYqXeSZPy40EdXxbSsLe7GhRi7xzswdfHJyy_QekVWvA2saNgW WgBsPIAsY27r7G89mGTstvM4cCW1HNc9R4GTHkKfkdm_E4CtTsNVKDuDdokg C4xtqItyK2D8Y10hdFhXBLwbulcMZik5FI9Kbttb7G_eOLFgxPliCg6YyAv7 gXcPIV4DWu0dIogkoIZhW8dI0mdPtCfR0.qO046.fgsaIILVdRIT3Ho4gdfp hmu6HvagYFJMBBnU_dEvd95VzHeZbTDNCHNpPtar.TwLrBJtQERx_fuYm8kj ygLWUFKgOGa33rl1AQFuGlg5n6lPXHLeShAISKWIYiYallsM0w921RfgnRqY nc4RADmGw5xOcTFQpf5eaFovWdtXFWeLqwYy6ZfNubcXqGkpYq.dfS1JcCHc KRVIlFJojEF88W066_PUykJxpY9HvtlHkIV8MZepJtUFWlK.QtLD6pZb1ZWU i27RARQEibd2xy03BhJnbiw..oLK7aFFOQlWrgjbnrEeKCTzWmESt7e_PkXL aEX9p4bDAISZWVAb3DCH.AyqNX02_9G9n4aUhlGxo8HqDoXhpWoh3EArLqtn VGM1nQKQrKFG6e1S.zQAs1QC4M8AHsDmiy.e3pelxJ26NdkIyVhiGD3Faelh fb5VQXwz51bEQOmIrwXWKop811LJVRwUp8ga4JZV5FiCe7SqyWAyQ3BMlbDZ aIDNpUT.Ib94qQiHSY4l6QTePkXzinY_rY_orhGpGiNF5CBBSBZAbrbZ3ptl JOF2c_Z9nKDRZ9HfJZwMlaWKznjYxz1qg4pmIPRAaheTd4OqSfn8WynVyJzR 1ErzRyYvYx8SLJZAla6HFIVftNKn6P0cO16FpN3XOucDYuV9dQZfp9engjqM GaHx3ml2XfYQVqMV9Vhp9AA_t_a3yh4v2Tojz_i6salGXpHSNX4GuXFxVPiw 2k1O8rjvivssbRzwJMaLiWhSHwRz0Sh4_AgVzKdVpVSd2TwuFKUQEVsD3R6w PLYqOzMuaofgDitsK83NJnVbOgfyS.m12JKvGSmdJFmfejukcd0TXwVsPOAq kJVbW5rXLnXGVaBJxA--
Authentication-Results mta4004.groups.mail.ne1.yahoo.com from=att.net; domainkeys=neutral (no sig); from=att.net; dkim=pass (ok)
X-Received from 127.0.0.1 (EHLO sonic307-15.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (66.163.190.38) by mta4004.groups.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTPS; Sun, 08 Jul 2018 00:56:13 +0000
X-YMail-OSG J0RSswIVM1lIhY7YRqeQBNpH80MWPSvwr0AMy5OfOBue8JjUgSM9kH0iAWEfLKy u.CdQEcKfhN9YK3kSFOwdWsNgj3jfsgvTX2hPPHzrxQ4HhO8Ky9_3WbdXKpdc_AKMWCD1aLBS.k8 EdC6Y9j1KFQuQ9L9xf1Z.sfcY4lEs8wctCUHXr1oseUn31_gppNtLq_wm5ttvnPp5LjUlu7MnEHS to.A0A172YoE_veDiiozHFL.IuMOUR3Yp3KYLgDwCYLTDfvuDRuqMqkrnIcFGeFVke9CkHeoqyU7 KxJ.LxrD5JzdIIYr66BYd7SYJoVAJAUVE1OptL8dnHppniH9PfJU4rRvCcdP7FXtj69uzOEB9r2A dHvQuINFoPPzCVj0ODPt4N0G.UeCvSYkX4CL7QvFnPJ7nKlwTPSNSR3IkR3Xi4A87SWl.TnBknz5 jr26FRaFc9VTJqfSUnUefiFdTRJk4dBJYOYlFfX9gqb5gbuBKIk0nBo0BUrs9Uf8.ZuGsLCJM8Sa LcmMq6kI0XFznfwt0D_XnbO0WjCyf0nC8mO9QG82M5lRDVPNY1esj92KV4FdLu3Af_LM92vVrW3y esopllrgHTG6KQ0lCQF8g8R_vJCNhqqWmg.Qev9lagCjXyB1qLIzP5H1T6qRZaM41I27W4hHvVRi 1YUnWUNpRlsBtCy3b.Xv4kFg4lzGLASBTJeM3AyMsvZGAyCuXJ9OsiSHaeQ_dAdrnz8.MyWQMMuw K3jRGLhBEB4Sr_3ZYpMKjyhYCRQ2fp7u0gjgdpAh1pYnpDbMXbRSPXzCH37HHzfuKtEnJrC.XAXD SqOAcCqEc1kMIwEv2lQrXhoyFhJISvYnGjQiAZboj_MigNJYHUD0KmeIpQA3waEsIOWqnqh4HCPk hL51CM0GigvFR2Nmcl5J5uv7C8xG2xAuaVuqlbN1JF9djsZ4NSg7fQdybtaxV9LNzMQBAcvH6jhB 0viDOZQx.XBbV99aHoopL2rqOjsCvdtg-
X-Received from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic307.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 8 Jul 2018 00:56:13 +0000
X-Received from ip70-189-9-73.lf.br.cox.net (EHLO [192.168.0.4]) ([70.189.9.73]) by smtp403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 129232b349a594770b6d66739d9b26b0 for <[email protected]>; Sun, 08 Jul 2018 00:56:11 +0000 (UTC)
To [email protected]
References <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
Message-ID <[email protected]>
Date Sat, 07 Jul 2018 19:56:42 -0500
User-Agent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0
MIME-Version 1.0
In-Reply-To <[email protected]>
Content-Type multipart/alternative; boundary="------------3A632825A7991E82EBEDAE22"
Content-Language en-US
X-Originating-IP 10.218.140.75
Subject Re: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] General info!
X-Yahoo-Group-Post member; u=554418533; y=_C9YiuNRT7Ca0Y7BpJ2dIQKS8fKSOyXNXX5Jo2miR5HSk5vNtnP_qR9t
X-Yahoo-Profile [email protected]
From Norman Wootan <[email protected]>