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An up to date, modern example of this is :
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/07/180706091717.htm
Back in my R&D military days, spent some time at Yuma Proving Grounds
where the desert floor gets pretty darn hot. We were recovering
unexploded ordnance from the range with radio controlled robotic
vehicles. The intense heat would shut down operation of electronics
until it was found that a HVDC negative (-) charge on the vehicle would
effectively shield it from the intense heat. The thermal negative ion
barrier principle. The Isralies Patented a fire fighting system which
used a super high velocity wind nozzle which had the HVDC negative (-)
electrodes which gave a negative wind that produced enough instant
cooling that fuel fires were extinguished because the cooling effect
would drop fuel below kindling temp! Very effective. All of this neat
stuff has totally disappeared from your view. Why would you even screw
around with a positive charge spark gap knowing that positive (+) has
heating effect and negative (-) has cooling effect. When a Tesla coil is
effectively fired via HVDC (-) pulses the refrigeration effect is seen.
Frost and ice have been created around Tesla coil when the surrounding
air is heavily ionized negative causing the super cooling effect. I
learned to completely steer away from using solid state components
around this type of research. Go to the trusted vacuum tube and
thyatron type tubes. You will get no where with solid state devices. I
fell heir to a very large Pulsar 15KVA which came out of Stanford Linear
Accelerator Lab (SLAC) It used two real exotic vacuum tubes about a foot
tall to gate and control the output HVDC pulses used in the linear
accelerator. Oh! Your mention of smoke attenuation via negative
charge. I installed a lot of Smoke Eaters in Club to eliminate
cigarette smoke from the air. Basically they are real large, high volume
negative ion generators which coagulate (clump) smoke particulate so
that they are effectively filtered out of air stream. All based on
negative charge.
On 7/7/2018 12:23 PM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
> Mick! A lot to cover here. How about starting off with reading an
> article I wrote back in about 1996 regarding our understanding of HEAT.
>
> What is Heat #3
>
> For about 10 years I have been studying the effects of
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> heating and cooling associated with the phase change of
>
> liquids with the hope of building a simple generator of
>
> electrical power around the phenomenon.The reason for this
>
> interest is based on the theory that energy can be extracted
>
> from the ambient background via thermal differentials.My
>
> line of thinking really took off back when I experimented
>
> with the all too familiar Peltier junction devices found in
>
> electronic cooling devices.Would you believe that most
>
> people do not understand how these devices move thermal
>
> energy through a current flow across a semiconductor
>
> junction.Historically we find that German physicist,
>
> Thomas Seebeck back in 1820 observed that when heat was
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> applied to a junction of copper and steel wire that
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> electrical energy resulted.Later in 1834 Jean Peltier
>
> discovered that when a direct current was applied to two
>
> Dissimilar metals the junction got hot or cold.It was not
>
> Until 1838 that Emil Lenz clearly showed the importance of
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> Both Seebeck and Peltier s discoveries by placing a drop of
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> Water on the junction of dissimilar metals which froze then
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> Melted when the polarity of the direct current was
>
> Reversed.These discoveries remained dormant for over 100
>
> Years because of the unavailability of semiconductor
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> Materials which could provide the wide temperature
>
> Differentials.In the 1930 s semiconductor materials became
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> Available which revived the electric cooling principles.In
>
> The 1960 s many companies began building spot cooling
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> Devices and refrigerators based on these effects using a
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> Junction material of bismuth-telluride. Today more advanced
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> Materials are used with the basic parameters of being a pore
>
> Thermal conductor but being an excellent electrical
>
> Conductor. The dissimilar materials must provide a high
>
> Coefficient of voltage temperature relationship.The first
>
> Peltier devices that I experimented with back about 10 years
>
> ago were built by Marlow Industries here in Dallas.With a
>
> small temperature differential across the device a weak
>
> current with an attendant voltage was developed.Increasing
>
> the differential provided a proportional increase in current
>
> and voltage.About 6 years ago I posted a chart of the
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> wattage generated from two different size Peltier chips on
>
> the Keely Net BBS.My curiosity was based on the puzzle of
>
> how electron flow could move thermal energy across the
>
> junctions and how electrical energy was produced by moving
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> thermal energy across the junction.This is a directly
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> reversible situation based on polarity.
>
> Now let us look at a very familiar parallel process used in
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> refrigeration, cooling and heating devices employing phase
>
> change material such as water and refrigerants.We have
>
> always been led to believe that evaporating water provided
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> cooling effects which is a mechanical process. By the same
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> mechanical process we are provided heating effects by the
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> condensation of a gas back to a liquid phase change.Would
>
> you believe that any material that undergoes a phase change
>
> provides an attendant electrical effect.Back in 1840
>
> Armstrong invented an electrostatic generator based on
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> escaping steam through insulated nozzles which provided one
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> of the most powerful devices of this type ever built.
>
> Popular belief was that this was a frictional process with
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> the electrical output resulting from the steam friction
>
> passing through the nozzles.After reading an old (1920 s)
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> Thermodynamics in Chemistry text book I realized that the
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> phase change of materials was an electrical phenomenon and
>
> not purely mechanical.The atoms of the material lose or
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> gain electrons in the process which accounts for the
>
> discrepancy in the energy equation when a material
>
> transitions between phases.More energy is present after
>
> the phase change back to the lower form or atomic state. The
>
> text book stated that this phenomenon could not be
>
> explained.When Jerry and I attended a Conference hosted by
>
> Hal Puthoff down in Austin back about 6 years ago a
>
> Physicist from Austria presented a paper on the phase change
>
> of water and the attendant electrical phenomenon which is
>
> totally not understood by modern science.Now my suspicions
>
> were confirmed that phase changes of materials are an
>
> electrostatic phenomenon, which leads us to the fundamental
>
> question of,What is heat?We were told in theschool
>
> that heat is the presence of energy and cool is the absence
>
> of energy.What is the form of this energy?Let us look at
>
> a very simple example of heating which may explain this
>
> process.When sunlight strikes an absorbing surface it is
>
> heated because electrons in the material are converted to
>
> photons which are emitted in the infrared band of light
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> leaving the material in a net positive state or hot.The
>
> more electrons a material loses the hotter it becomes.Now
>
> the inverse situation is explored by evaporating some water
>
> from the surface of a material which leaves the surface in a
>
> net negative state or cold.Heat or cold is based on the
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> ion relationship in the material.When we apply a flame
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> (ionizing) to a material we cause the emission of photons
>
> which is basically stripping away electrons from the atomic
>
> structure causing a gross net positive situation to occur.
>
> Now we are getting a picture as to how an electric current
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> across the Peltier junction can transport thermal energy
>
> (ions).Since the energy is in the form of presence or
>
> absence of electrons then it is a simple explanation as to
>
> how the process works.All phase change processes work the
>
> same way basically via ion transport and are not mechanical
>
> processes which we were taught.Everythingin chemistry is
>
> an electrical or electrostatic process at the atomic level
>
> based on the ionized state of the atoms involved.
>
> At a Vanguard Science Roundtable discussion several years ago
>
> we talked about the ion wind method of fire fighting in
>
> which ionized air will extinguish a flame because of the
>
> cooling effects.Now we see Patents issued based on
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> negative ion spraying of a surface causing it to rapidly
>
> cool because it becomes net negative charged.This is a
>
> very efficient method of air-conditioning because an ion
>
> generator operates at very high voltages with very little
>
> current involved.It is possible to develop this ion
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> transport (thermal energy) to provide direct electrical
>
> output from very subtle temperature differentials.Remember
>
> that this is a direct reversible process where a thermal
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> differential will cause a development of current and voltage
>
> as in the Peltier device.I hope that this dialog will
>
> provide some food for thought out there on the Keely Net.
>
> Please provide some feedback on this very interesting line
>
> of experimentation.Norm
>
>
>
>
> On 7/7/2018 11:55 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>> Hi Norm,
>>
>> Thanks that was very enlightening specially the X-ray transformer as
>> I forgot about those rectifiers. Have been having issues of diode
>> switching on one wire systems due to lack of current, lack of load on
>> the output, to overcome the junction cut in voltage or just burning
>> up RF diodes. Could be some Germanium power diodes are also in order
>> to be checked with the lower cut in voltage.
>>
>> For what it's worth I have many projects I work with so try to slim
>> down the amount of information to grind through in order to move
>> further along via the people before me who have made great strides
>> such as yourself. I apologize if my questions seem repetitive or
>> lacking in foundation.
>>
>> I suppose you did not test much with a positive bias in order to
>> prevent the x-rays.
>> it would be interesting to know the differences of the same
>> magnetically fractioned positive and negative.
>>
>> You might be surprised with what is becoming hard to find along with
>> ion wind. It is a sad state of affairs when knowledge is restricted
>> by the few.
>>
>> I think this may have serious karmic implications such as human
>> ascension being hindered.
>>
>> We have many fires now around here. I have read the patents on the
>> ion firefighting but have no idea of the effectiveness. What did you
>> find with your barrier experiments? Do you think with some
>> helicopters dropping battery powered charged meshes a serious fire
>> could be redirected or even attenuated?
>>
>> We had so much smoke two years ago I setup a cloudbuster but found
>> more than the water setting up a charge on the tubes accomplished
>> more activity vis a vis removing the smoke locally. What was
>> fascinating is with a very small ion supply which was just a
>> switching rectified neon type supply only about 3 or 4kv would cause
>> atmospheric changes in mere minutes which was easy to see from the
>> smoke. Negative charge would suck the smoke down and a positive push
>> it away. Did not have any luck bringing big rain but I am convinced
>> the more experienced such as Smokey would have no problem with the
>> rain part. Actually the negative may be the rain maker but it was
>> hard to stomach with all the smoke. Fires really affect the weather
>> system so attempting the same without the fires may show better
>> efficacy concerning rain. In nature it would seem finesse wins over
>> force so perhaps a good number of low powered meshes would work
>> wonders as the earth could magnify the effects if the meshes were
>> setup along the proper magnetic borders of high differential.
>>
>>
>>
>> ---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :
>>
>> Mick! My problem here is that we have discussed this subject many
>> times and everyone just goes back to the same old projects and do
>> nothing with the information given. To each his own so to speak.
>> Electronics 101. Tesla Fire, you want to generate a negative plasma
>> at very high voltage via a magnetic spark gap yielding unidirectional
>> DC pulse train with the Tesla recommended rest state of .0062
>> millisecond between pulses, longitudinal pulses. I had two setups
>> that I used. First was a X-ray oil filled tank power supply, of
>> Israel manufacture which had a tank top that was easily removed to
>> get to the guts. I reversed the full wave bridge (60KV) to give me a
>> negative output at the normal + anode terminal. Positive side of
>> bridge was grounded which gave me the 60KVDC output for negative ion
>> wind generator. I also used this power supply for negative ion heat
>> barrier experiments. The other setup was a 12KV potential
>> transformer and full wave bridge to give me the HVDC potential I
>> needed. Very high voltage negative discharges yield beautiful
>> plasma. I used a mechanical relay (solid state devices cannot survive
>> here) to gate the high voltage DC pulses through the powerful horn
>> spark gal which insured a pure unidirectional longitudinal pulse
>> train with the rest period specified between pulses. I find it very
>> interesting that experiments with negative ion wind have all but
>> disappeared from the internet. The POWERS TO BE know that negative
>> ionization leads to such thing as COUNTERBARRY (anti-gravity) and
>> cooling. Tom Bearden told me a lone time ago back in the early 80s
>> not to even mention this subject cause you will end up a DEAD DUCK.
>> Build your own experimental circuit from this article. I had cases of
>> brand new flyback transformers that I got through salvage. Circuit is
>> duck soup simple. I have an ion wind generator running constantly in
>> my home.
>>
>> https://fear-of-lightning.wonderhowto.com/how-to/high-voltage-happiness-make-negative-ion-generator-0133359/
>> https://www.circuitlib.com/index.php/schematics/product/52-negative-ion-generator/category_pathway-33
>> http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Make-a-Negative-Ion-air-ionizer/
>> Have fun! Norm
>>
>> On 7/7/2018 12:12 AM, mkjekyll@... <mailto:mkjekyll@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>>> Norm,
>>>
>>> With all due respect I grasp the magnetic diode concept quite
>>> well, this was not the question.
>>> The question was could you elaborate on your setup, this was
>>> all, no need for going on the offensive.
>>
>>
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