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https://patents.google.com/patent/US2675516 Please read the details
regarding this fantastic electrostatic generator and answer my question
as to where the electrons are coming from. In high school science, we
were told that influence machines or electrostatic generators sheared
electrons from the air dielectric surrounding the device. Sounds
reasonable! As I studied the various Influence machine designs and built
many of them, I was fascinated with Felici and his machines because they
posed a problem with the accepted idea of electron source. Since the
Felici machine runs in a sealed environment of .999 pure hydrogen gas at
an elevated pressure of 25 atmospheres (350 PSI) and considering the
fact that hydrogen atom has one electron and one proton, it follows to
ask the question as to where the electrons are coming from to yield the
HARD electrical output at such high voltages and unusual currents for an
influence machine.
Cylinder size ( mm) 140 140 140 240 240 300 300 Available
approx. power 300 W 400 W 385 W 2 kW 2 kW 2.5 kW 2.5 kW Number
of poles 2 4 6 4 8 2 4 Max. voltage ( kV) 300 160 110 250
140 600 300 Max. current ( mA)
1
2.5
3.5
7
14
4
8
Hal Puthoff published a paper for the Scientific Journals Spontaneaus
Hydrogen from the space background. When you steal electrons from a
hydrogen gas you are left with a proton rich field which sucks in
electrons from the space background to reconstitute the hydrogen atoms.
So in effect you have a 2.5KW electrostatic generator doing exactly what
you have been looking for. I'll take 300KVDC at 8 mA (2.5KW) hard DC
power any day! Thoughts please! Norm
On 4/25/2018 3:01 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> As I have previously posted, The most powerful Electrostatic machine
> ever built . .999 pure hydrogen gas at 25 atm pressure so where does
> the electrons come from????
>
> *1, 000, 000 VOLTS*
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>
> GENERATEUR ELECTROSTATIQUE FELICI
>
> (Felici's electrostatic generator )
>
>
> /fig 1/ Cross section of a cylindrical Felici's generator /fig 2/
> Generator under which is driving motor
>
> En France,entre 1945 et 1960, le laboratoire d'Electrostatique du
> Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique , CNRS, s'est attache a
> une etude systematique des generateurs electrostatiques, afin d'en
> tirer la maximum au point de vue energetique, et d'en permettre
> l'emploi dans les applications courantes ( rayons X , peinture
> electrostatique, essais electriques, etc.). Ces recherches ont conduit
> a un modele assez different de la machine a courroie ( Van de Graaff)
> , car l'organe mobile est ici un cylindre creux, et le gaz comprime
> d'isolement est de l'hydrogene pur.
>
> Le generateur electrostatique de Noël FELICI est celui qui permet les
> experiences spectaculaires d'electrostatique du PALAIS de la
> DECOUVERTE
> <http://www.palais-decouverte.fr/discip/physique/phyestat.htm>a PARIS.
>
> La SAMES <http://www.samescorp.com/fr/presentation/culture/index.htm>,
> /Societe anonyme de Machines Electrostatiques/, creee en 1947, a
> developpe pour le CNRS ( physique des particules , physique nucleaire)
> ces generatrices electrostatiques de grande puissance, de faible
> encombrement et de bon rendement .
>
> Sames was created in 1947 to manufacture and market the electrostatic
> generators developed by Pr Noel Felici and his team for the french
> National Center for Scientific Research ( CNRS) .These continuous HV
> generators quickly gained a significant position in most research
> centers, as well as in industry,because of their exceptional levels of
> performance safety
>
> La generatrice utilise un transporteur *isolant cylindrique*
> (composite epoxy) R [/fig 1/] Les dimensions du tambour sont
> classiquement de 140 mm de diametre ( et jusqu'a 300 mm ), 220 mm de
> longueur, 0.3 mm d'epaisseur.Les electrodes ( ionisateur de charge et
> ionisateur de debit) sont disposees le long de generatrices
> diametralement opposees.L'ensemble est place dans une enceinte
> d'*hydrogene sous pression*. Ni la disposition cylindrique , ni
> l'hydrogene ne sont tres favorables a l'obtention de tensions tres
> elevees; en revanche, la puissance specifique et le rendement sont
> superieurs a ceux de toous les autres generateurs electrostatiques.La
> forme cylindrique assure une excellente definition geometrique de la
> machine qui est ainsi tres compacte. Les tensions sont de 80 a 750 kV
> et les courants de l'ordre de 0,2 a 14 mA.
>
> The Felici generators ( SAMES) of the ' insulating carrier ' type
> convert mechanical energy directly into DC HV electrical energy by
> utilizing the charge (ion) transfer effect in an electric field.
>
> The generator unit is comprised of 3 main parts :
>
> *Insulating cylindrical rotor* [R], a hollow cylinder made of
> insulating material. Electric charges are deposited on the surface of
> the rotor which is generally driven by an electric motor to effect the
> transfer of charges in, the field. This is *the only moving part* in
> the generator.For the standard running speed of 3,000 r.p.m, the
> maximum rotor diameter is 15 to 18 in.The useful length of the rotor
> (i.e., the length of the ionising blades) may not overstep 1.5 times
> its diameter for the "*bell*" geometry; with the "*drum*" rotor,
> however, 2.5 diameters is a conservative value. Then, for rotors of 12
> to 15 in., a useful length of 3 ft seems very reasonable, that is, a
> useful surface of, say, 10^4 cm^2 .
>
> *Ionizers,* extremely *thin metallic blades *placed in close proximity
> to the rotor. The charging ionizers generate and deposit the electric
> charges while the discharging ionizers draw off the charges that have
> been carried on the surface of the rotor.
>
> *Metallic inductors*. The purpose of the inductors is to induce a
> strong electric field on the sharp edge of the ionizers.Excitation
> inductors hold the electric charges on the rotor, whereas the
> extracting inductors withdraw them.The inductors are , in fact, found
> "hidden" *behind a slightly conductive cylinder ( made of special
> glass)* [S] so that the inductors can fulfill their functions without
> creating local concentrations of electric field. The rotor passes
> successively the charging and discharging ionizers where the rotor is
> respectively charged and discharged.
>
> The*number of poles *( 2 to 8 ) corresponds of the number of ionizers
> ( or the number of inductors) around the rotor. The rotor of a 2n pole
> generator is charged and discharged n times per revolution.
>
> The *excitation* voltage of the generator unit ( 20 to 30 kV) is
> furnished by a small auxiliary HVDC generator.
>
> The insulating gas is 0.9999 pure *hydrogen*, free from chlorinated
> compounds, at *10-25 atm*.
>
> Cylinder size ( mm) 140 140 140 240 240 300 300
> Available approx. power 300 W 400 W 385 W 2 kW 2 kW 2.5 kW 2.5 kW
> Number of poles 2 4 6 4 8 2 4
> Max. voltage ( kV) 300 160 110 250 140 600 300
> Max. current ( mA)
> 1
>
> 2.5
>
> 3.5
>
> 7
>
> 14
>
> 4
>
> 8
>
> An efficient structure is formed of a highly insulating *cylindrical
> rotor* (e = 4-6) running around a slightly conductive (soft glass,
> 10^12 ohm cm) *cylindrical stator*, the *gap* being 0.01-0-02 in..
>
> The insulating gas is 0.9999 pure hydrogen, free from chlorinated
> compounds, at 10-25 atm. The linear speed /v/ of the rotor is 10-50
> m/s. Commutation is performed by 0 - 0012 in. steel blades, facing
> metallic inductors which are in good electrical contact with the
> Lfla", cylinder. Connexions of inductors, ionizing blades and high
> voltage terminale are shown in the top picture.
>
> The charge density /r /on the rotor is usually 50 to 60 e s u/cm^2 ,
> but densities as high as 100 e s u/cm^2 have been achieved, reflecting
> a substantial improvement of the dielectrie strength /E_m / of the
> gas, owing to the small, uniform gap ( /r/</E_m /<4p). Paradoxically
> enough, the effective current /I/ collected by an ionizing blade of
> length /L/ is correctly calculated by assuming the charge density /r
> /to be uniformly spread over the whole rotor surface, with alternating
> plus and minus signs: I = 2 /r /v L, despite the asymmetry of the
> charging and discharging electrodes ("natural double transport").
>
> [ *e.s.u *= unities of electrostatic CGS-SYSTEM. So unfashionably they
> may appear, nevertheless, they have the important advantage to
> correspond to the practical orders of magnitude : as sound relations
> between both systems the following equations may be mentioned:
>
> 1 µA corresponds = to 3000 electrostatic unities (e.s.u.) of the current.
>
> 30 kv/cm = 100 e.s.u. of the electric field. (Atmospheric air under
> normal pressure).]
>
> Thanks to the smoothing influence of the slightly conductive stator,
> the mean tangential component /E_t / of the field along the rotor
> surface can reach 100 e. s. u. without flashover, and a conservative
> value is 60 e. s. u., thus providing a useful force density of 3000 to
> 3600dyn/cm^2 , and a power density of 0.5 to 1.5 W/cm^2. Various units
> have been developed in the range of 30-3000 W, voltage 50-600 kV.
> Several units can be easily associated in series as well as in
> parallel. Efficiency is 0-85--0.95. For electronic control of such
> generators is very easy, with high voltage low-power triodes .
> Standard units have voltage stability 1 per cent and regulation 1 per
> cent over the whole ourrent range; "stabilized" units exhibit an
> over-all voltage fluctuation less than 1 part in 10^5 . Electrical
> hazard is absolutely negligible, unless a strong capacitor is
> connected to the terminals.
>
> *Patents / Brevets*
>
> http://ep.espacenet.com/
>
> http://www.GetThe Patent.com
>
> FR 1051430
>
> US 2675516
>
> US 2523689 26-09-1950 Machine a condensateur
>
> US 2702869 22-02-1955 Machines en serie
>
> US 2656502
>
> US 3400282 03 -09-1968 Machine a dielectrique fluide
>
> *Bibliography*
>
> 1 Felici N.J. - Elektrostatische Hochapannungs-generatoren-1957 ,
> Karlsruhe: G.Braun.
>
> 2 Felici N.J - Recent Developments and Future Trends in Electrostatic
> Generation - Direct Current, Dec 1959, Vol 4,n°7
> <http://hometown.aol.com/lyonelb/felici4.html>
>
> 3 Felici N.J- Generators, electrostatic, for d.c. power output-
> Encyclopaedic Dictionary of Physics - Pergamon Press
>
> 4 Felici N.J- L'avenir de la generation electrostatique - colloques du
> CNRS , Grenoble , 1960 <http://hometown.aol.com/lyonelb/felici2.html>
>
> 5 Dittrich W., Felici N. -Abatement of High-Field Conduction in Liquid
> Dielectrics by Electrode Conditioning with Non-lonic Cage-Forming
> Polymers : A Novel Avenue to High-Power Engineering
> <http://hometown.aol.com/lyonelb/felici3.html>
>
> *Biographie sommaire*
>
> Felici (Noël, Joseph) .Ne le 18 mai 1916.Brillant normalien , docteur
> en 1940 avec une these sur la supraconductibilite,il est oriente vers
> Louis Neel et Frederic Joliot Curie .Louis Neel et Noel Felici
> commencent en 1942 a travailler sur des prototypes de machines
> electrostatiques.Creation theorique de la SAMES en 1943.Naissance
> officielle de la SAMES en 1946 avec reproduction des prototypes.Noel
> Felici est itulaire de la chaire d'electrostatique à la Faculte des
> Sciences de Grenoble.Directeur de recherches au Centre national de la
> recherche scientifique (CNRS) . Laboratoire d’electrostatique et
> dielectrique, CNRS, Chemin des Martyrs, BP 166, F-38042 Grenoble Cedex
> 09. Noel Felici est elu correspondant de l'Academie des Sciences le 18
> fevrier 1980.
>
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>> Just as the Aether Theory was lost to General Theory of Relativity so
>> as the electrostatic studies!
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