Re: [EVGRAY] Triple thick BiTT

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Doug and allDoes anyone remember the Flynne motor it was a few years back, and was all about the alternative path for the magnetic flux to take.Cheers Warren

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  On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 6:59 PM, Gerry [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       

Hi Doug, Warren  guys,After making many of these BITT things, For me in practice, the normal Back emf or Lenz effect, where input impedance drops with loading the output... is still very much alive and well in this device.
As you rightly say Doug..... the magnetic paths don't know the difference between the Lenz flux or input Flux.The only aspect of this is that those additional flux paths between the output cores ........ (which Thane Heinz originally thought of adding).They bypass the input core altogether taking flux directly between the output cores. 
We should be able to see if this additional path between output coils affects the input, by monitoring the input volts & amps, whilst opening the two halves of the output toroid.
Breaking the extra path.... I'll give it a go & let you know.
Warren, I don't exactly know the answer to your question, I think Ole might know.Flux lines don't like to go around sharp corners and if flux lines path length is doubled then the force they exert is reduced to 25% of original value.Maybe that's why?
But there's other stuff which seems to defy the rules like in case of original MEG. Instead of the flux in central leg of core dividing equally between each side as I would think ......the flux flips entirely  from one side to the other on applying impulse.It is Bi Stable like a bistable flip flop circuit.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no50_5iSr2Y

Gerry




On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 4:16 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

 


Hi Gerry

OK thanks for the explanations - with the BiTT, I saw both with Naudin, and also with KK that they did experiments driving them with DC....so unless this is really DC alternating into center-tapped primary (which KK did in his 4W to 8W video)  then I would think there is not the 180 degrees out of phase thing happening, (although now the collapsing field energy going backwards......which has me thinking maybe what we are looking for is combination "coherence" of the 180degree timing of opposite polarity AND the collapsing field! ...just thinking)




If 180 degrees out of phase then now I can see how there will be that pathway backwards for the "lenz" as you call it, the "backemf" as I call it....




But again WHY would there be a split in the lenz/backemf from the forward current? Why would it not just stay firmly attached to the forward current as it inherently by nature is?

Maybe there is no split and this is my ridiculous idea! I 




don't know but if there is not, and it is the 180 degrees out of phase event, then it would seem only the pos sine and neg sine would split, (and go its own way back to opposite secondary) not the lenz/backemf itself....




Maybe because the lenz/backemf IS already backwards,  (or is trying to) it dominates the return path leg and sort of consumes any forward currents on its way back? Maybe this is what happens




Sorry just rambling on

ciao

Kone





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