Re: [EVGRAY] Triple thick BiTT

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Hi Doug, Sven,
I've tried many versions of BIT transformers including Metglass input and
output toroidal cores, ferrite input Metaglass output, air gaps etc, also
Bill Alec's version from Auratek recently patented  (US patent 9620280)
attached.
I have not every been able to get over unity with any of my own efforts.

However the increase of output when one side is loaded and the other
shorted proves the BITT concept is sound.
For me Lenz loading effect always raises it's ugly head, it reflects back
to the input lowering the input impedance so much that input always
exceeded output.

So I looked at delaying the field reaching the drive cores by enclosing the
input wire coils as I shared here.
It did not give me over unity but it did the job of delaying the Lenz
current to better than 90 degrees behind the input current.
Unfortunately the energy required to saturate my painted florist wire coils
overcomes efficiency gains.

I could have tried instead wrapping the entire input coil itself with
florist wire, it just occurred to me.
This way less energy would be required to do the saturation job ...as the
increase in milliampere turns would do the work cumulatively.
I know it'll still have hysteresis effect in the steel though.

I haven't read this new patent fully yet, I was told that Bill Alec used
many many turns on the input coil to try to get as near 90 degree lag of
current behind the voltage.
In the video he claims better than 90 degrees at some frequencies.
Hence the overunity claim at the Tesla conference.

In perfect inductor with no resistance 90 degrees is theoretically max lag
of current behind voltage.
But if looked at from a time delay perspective say at 50Hz one cycle takes
20 milliseconds to elapse the 360 degrees.
So for  90 degrees or 1/4 cycle we are looking for 5 milliseconds or
preferably longer.

Tesla used a fine wire iron screen to achieve this in his patent as
mentioned by  Ole already.

I made up a quick version of your one Doug using 65 pieces of U shaped
plain thin fencing wire and 3 pre made coils.
The efficiency was lousy about 8 % with mine, tho I could see the load
increase effect.

Sorry for rant Gerry




On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 6:52 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
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> Hi Timothy
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> I watched the video of the 20K old transformer - sorry I don't believe it
> only because of the four light socket holes which I am sure they would not
> of had 20K years ago and I would bet this is leftover stuff from bombings
> and the war in Kosove and stone metled from some high tech
> bombs......however I am sure the Egyptians and ancient Iraqis had electric
> lights, and probably many civilizations more advanced than outs have lived
> and died the past million years...
>
> ciaoKone
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>
> 
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