Re: [EVGRAY] Re: Zeolite

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On Dec 13, 2017 12:50, "bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
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Hi James
I do not know of its caracteristics of practical application. I am always
one to do regardless so to speak. Then my value has its own experiences.
Wether or not
it benefits. My mentor whom has now passed was the chief electronics
engineer for  Union Carbide. So he was always entertained at my home as to
what's on for today lol. He also designed and built the first three phase
motor for English Electric then later to be bought out by Bald or.
Well did not need to say all that.
Would like to get some Zeolite thou.
Bart



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From: "James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>

Date: 2017-12-13 1:38 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Re: Zeolite



They use that with the  solar alcohol refrigerators . or you could use wood
to heat it . they say in a vacuum that when dried out and connected to a
container of water it attracts the water so violently that it freezes the
remaining water to ice .!

On Dec 13, 2017 12:24, "bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
[email protected]> wrote:



Hi Norman Bart here.
Have you had any practical benefit in
an application?
Was thinking of ordering some.
Thanks
Bart



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
Date: 2017-12-13 12:43 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Re: Zeolite



Started researching "Zeolite" as a thermal energy storage 'sink" back in
1979 after learning that it has capability to store 13X more energy than
any other method.  I ordered a pallet 300kg "Natural Zeolite"  from Japan
since it is volcanic source and is used by garden farmers there.  I also
bought a drum (55 gal) of 10X molecular save synthetic zeolite from Union
Carbide, Mobile, AL. Built a solar collector/heat storage apparatus with
highly successful results. Zeolite  works by the absorption/ de-sorption
principle!  Norm

On 12/13/2017 1:49 AM, mirco Sangalli [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:


Accumulatori termici per ottimizzare la distribuzione nei momenti di picco
degli impianti di teleriscaldamento. LA ZEOLITE.
( un mc di metano = 10,5 kWh termici = 380 Mj = 9120 Kcal)
Il calore che si accumula nel processo di adsorbimento del vapore acqueo
nei materiali adsorbenti, tipo zeoliti, silica gel o certi tipi di argille,
tutti usati diffusamente come disseccanti, è pari alla somma del calore
latente di evaporazione/condensazione dell'acqua + un'energia di legame che
varia secondo il materiale adsorbente. Come molti sapranno
l'evaporazione/condensazione dell'acqua è tra i processi fisici più
energetici in natura, basti pensare che l'energia che occorre per far
evaporare un litro d'acqua è tra 5 e 6 volte quella necessaria per
innalzarne la temperatura di 100 gradi. Nell'adsorbimento l'energia in
gioco è ancora più alta per via del forte legame tra le molecole d'acqua e
il materiale adsorbente. Ad esempio per le zeoliti di tipo 13X, per ogni
mole di acqua, o meglio di vapore d'acqua (18 g) che viene adsorbita, si
libera un calore pari a 15 Kcal (62 KJ, ovvero 17,2 Wh).
In altre parole, per ogni litro d'acqua (o forse sarebbe meglio dire per
ogni kg di vapore acqueo) adsorbito/desorbito l'energia coinvolta 10 KWh.
Dato che la percentuale d'acqua che può essere adsorbita nei pori della
zeolite arriva anche al 30% del peso della zeolite, facendo un po' di conti
si arriva a cifre di tutto rispetto, *fino a 188 KWh/m3*, vale a dire che
in un serbatoio di *100 litri* di zeolite si potrebbero accumulare A
TEMPERATURA AMBIENTE e senza dispersioni, quindi a tempo indeterminato,
quasi *19 KWh*, ovvero quanto in un serbatoio d'acqua calda di 300 litri
che oltre a essere molto più ingombrante è soggetto, tra l'altro, a
inevitabili dispersioni, per quanto ben coibentato (e la coibentazione
aumenta l'ingombro).
Certamente non è tutto così semplice, all'interno del materiale bisogna
lasciare degli spazi vuoti per far circolare l'aria calda o l'aria umida a
seconda che si voglia accumulare o recuperare calore, ma la cosa più
interessante è proprio la possibilità di conservare senza dispersioni un
"calore potenziale" a temperatura ambiente.
Forse fra una decina d'anni gli attuali sistemi pannelli-serbatoio acqua di
accumulo acqua-acqua saranno soppiantati da sistemi ad aria-zeolite,.





Strange properties i wounded if it would refine low grade alcohol  of
coarse for running a motor 😁. I heard you can find it at pet shops under
some geirnaric name brand for bedding or some such thing . there's some
videos on the net about it . a little hard to find for some reason ?

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