Re: [EVGRAY] Re: Zeolite

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Hi James
I do not know of its caracteristics of practical application. I am always one to do regardless so to speak. Then my value has its own experiences. Wether or not
it benefits. My mentor whom has now passed was the chief electronics engineer for  Union Carbide. So he was always entertained at my home as to  what's on for today lol. He also designed and built the first three phase motor for English Electric then later to be bought out by Bald or.
Well did not need to say all that.
Would like to get some Zeolite thou.
Bart



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From: "James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
Date: 2017-12-13 1:38 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Re: Zeolite



They use that with the  solar alcohol refrigerators . or you could use wood to heat it . they say in a vacuum that when dried out and connected to a container of water it attracts the water so violently that it freezes the remaining water to ice .!

On Dec 13, 2017 12:24, "bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


Hi Norman Bart here.
Have you had any practical benefit in
an application?
Was thinking of ordering some.
Thanks
Bart



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From: "Norman Wootan [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Date: 2017-12-13 12:43 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Re: Zeolite



Started researching "Zeolite" as a thermal energy storage 'sink" back in 1979 after learning that it has capability to store 13X more energy than any other method.  I ordered a pallet 300kg "Natural Zeolite"  from Japan since it is volcanic source and is used by garden farmers there.  I also bought a drum (55 gal) of 10X molecular save synthetic zeolite from Union Carbide, Mobile, AL. Built a solar collector/heat storage apparatus with highly successful results. Zeolite  works by the absorption/ de-sorption principle!  Norm

On 12/13/2017 1:49 AM, mirco Sangalli [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:

Accumulatori termici per ottimizzare la distribuzione nei momenti di picco degli impianti di teleriscaldamento. LA ZEOLITE.
( un mc di metano = 10,5 kWh termici = 380 Mj = 9120 Kcal)
Il calore che si accumula nel processo di adsorbimento del vapore acqueo nei materiali adsorbenti, tipo zeoliti, silica gel o certi tipi di argille, tutti usati diffusamente come disseccanti, è pari alla somma del calore latente di evaporazione/condensazione dell'acqua + un'energia di legame che varia secondo il materiale adsorbente. Come molti sapranno l'evaporazione/condensazione dell'acqua è tra i processi fisici più energetici in natura, basti pensare che l'energia che occorre per far evaporare un litro d'acqua è tra 5 e 6 volte quella necessaria per innalzarne la temperatura di 100 gradi. Nell'adsorbimento l'energia in gioco è ancora più alta per via del forte legame tra le molecole d'acqua e il materiale adsorbente. Ad esempio per le zeoliti di tipo 13X, per ogni mole di acqua, o meglio di vapore d'acqua (18 g) che viene adsorbita, si libera un calore pari a 15 Kcal (62 KJ, ovvero 17,2 Wh).
In altre parole, per ogni litro d'acqua (o forse sarebbe meglio dire per ogni kg di vapore acqueo) adsorbito/desorbito l'energia coinvolta 10 KWh.
Dato che la percentuale d'acqua che può essere adsorbita nei pori della zeolite arriva anche al 30% del peso della zeolite, facendo un po' di conti si arriva a cifre di tutto rispetto, fino a 188 KWh/m3, vale a dire che in un serbatoio di 100 litri di zeolite si potrebbero accumulare A TEMPERATURA AMBIENTE e senza dispersioni, quindi a tempo indeterminato, quasi 19 KWh, ovvero quanto in un serbatoio d'acqua calda di 300 litri che oltre a essere molto più ingombrante è soggetto, tra l'altro, a inevitabili dispersioni, per quanto ben coibentato (e la coibentazione aumenta l'ingombro).
Certamente non è tutto così semplice, all'interno del materiale bisogna lasciare degli spazi vuoti per far circolare l'aria calda o l'aria umida a seconda che si voglia accumulare o recuperare calore, ma la cosa più interessante è proprio la possibilità di conservare senza dispersioni un "calore potenziale" a temperatura ambiente.
Forse fra una decina d'anni gli attuali sistemi pannelli-serbatoio acqua di accumulo acqua-acqua saranno soppiantati da sistemi ad aria-zeolite,.

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